Konec kapitalizma? (zeitgeist addendum napovedal ekonomski propad?)

donfilipo je 3. okt 2010 ob 01:06 izjavil:

....ekonomija je veda, katere osnova je gospodarno ravnanje z dobrinami in tako tudi s pomanjkanjem le-teh. To počne s sistemom vrednotenja dobrin, ki ga v realnosti izraža denar. Brez monetarnega toka in sistema vrednotenja, po katerem je vsak odvisen predvsem od svojega DELA! (no ni za zanemariti tudi kapital, kriminal, talent in družbeni položaj!!!!) Če vzamemo predpostavke:

a)da je dobrin dovolj in DA PRIPADAJO količine za preživetje (da se recimo zapolni prva stopnička po Maslowu), VSAKEMU posamezniku...
b) da se denar vzame iz obtoka, pa kljub temu ni nihče življensko ogrožen...
..potem se kapitalistična ekonomija, kot jo poznamo danes PODRE!!! V hipu!!!!

In če ne uvidiš, da ne gre potem za sestop nazaj na blagovno menjavo, pač pa za princip nekakšnega planskega dodeljevanja (podobne utopije so imele variante marskizma!), potem si ali 'trotel', ali pa v silni 'ozki učenosti', ne poznaš več OSNOV!

donfilipo
Ponavljam. Tudi tu sta v konfliktu dve filozofiji. Ena je idividualistična, sociodarvinistična. Do it yourself. Snađi se. A od mene ne dobiš centa. Nobene nepotrebnega in nenaravnega altruizma;((
In druga je filozofija altruizma in socialne solidarnosti. Po tej so vsi ljudje vredni preživetja. Vsakomur minimum MORA biti omogočen!

Here's a related example of distorted coverage. Ever higher farm yields per acre allow fewer acres of land to be tilled each year in the Western world; that is good news, because the steady withdrawal of acres from farm production means more acreage returned to forest or nature preserve. As the forest analyst Roger Sedjo of the nonpartisan think tank Resources for the Future has noted, Connecticut is today 59 percent forest, versus 35 percent in the nineteenth century, though the state's population has tripled and its agricultural production quintupled.39 Figures for most of the country show comparable simultaneous population growth and forest expansion, made possible by more farm production from fewer acres. Indeed, as Norman Borlaug--America's unknown Nobel Peace Prize winner--has noted, if it were not for ever higher agricultural yields, across the world an area the size of India would have had to be leveled for farmland in the past fifty years, with devastating effects on the global environment.40 But how is the reduction of agricultural acreage spun in the press? shocking crisis of vanishing farms.

Figures for most of the country show comparable simultaneous population growth and forest expansion, made possible by more farm production from fewer acres. Indeed, as Norman Borlaug--America's unknown Nobel Peace Prize winner--has noted, if it were not for ever higher agricultural yields, across the world an area the size of India would have had to be leveled for farmland in the past fifty years, with devastating effects on the global environment.

Connecticut ima danes manjše kmetijske površine, ker se je kmetijstvo preselilo v revnejše države. Koliko Amazonije so izkrčili za pridelavo goveda, soje in ostalih stvari? Koliko Afrike je že zavzela Sahara, ker se zaradi pretirane paše širi na jug?

Seveda boš dal vir za to trditev, kajne?

Resource trends are also positive. Prices of most primary commodities, especially metals, coal, and ores, have been falling for two decades as global supply has increased faster than demand. At this writing, no important resource other than fresh water in the Middle East and groundwater in China is in shortage or expected to be through the next few decades, not even petroleum

Since 1970 smog has declined by a third, even as the number of cars has nearly doubled and vehicle-miles traveled have increased by 143 percent; acid rain has declined by 67 percent, even though the United States now burns almost twice as much coal annually to produce electric power; airborne soot particles are down, which is why most cities have blue skies again; airborne lead, a poison, is down 97 percent. Emissions of CFCs, which deplete stratospheric ozone, have essentially ended. Denver, which in the 1970s had air almost as bad as Los Angeles of the time, in 2002 became the first major United States city in full compliance with the Clean Air Act. This means that Denver's air is in excellent condition, though the city has entered its fourth straight decade of rapid population growt

Dolgoročno takšen način proizvodnje ni mogoč.

Zakaj potem dolgoročno cene(P) dobrin niso enake P=0? Dolgoročno se proizvodnja prilagodi.

Okapi je 7. okt 2010 ob 00:13 izjavil:

Delal pa bi jih kdo?

O.

Gandalfar je 6. okt 2010 ob 22:56 izjavil:

Ja ker cena proizvodnje in distribucije ni enaka nic. V primeru digitalnih dobrin cena npr. limitira proti nic.

Da v svetu neomejenih dobrin vsi stroški izvirajo iz plač, trdim sam, sem razložil zakaj.

prav nič ne koštajo, če so energenti v neomejenih količinah.

planet enostavno ne zmore preživeti 7 milijard na zahodnem standardu.

Gandalfar je 7. okt 2010 ob 17:21 izjavil:

V "kapitalizmu" denar je, vendar se z njim dela kot svinja z mehom, 50% našega denarja upravlja par nesposobnežev, da si s tem denarjem zagotovijo moč za svojo oblast in delajo po nareku "kapitala" ali pa "zahoda", verjetno pa oboje

Kljub temu se je pa povprecnemu cloveku mocno dvignil zivljenjski standard. Po dva avta na familijo, 3 televizije, vsak ima mobitel itd. Tega napredka ni mogoce zanikati.