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Kdaj pridejo phenomi X4 9x50?
jest10 ::
Nekaj, kar ima vsaj 5-fazno napajanje, še posebno, če boš navijal. Naj ti X45 poišče, ko tako rad brska
jest10 ::
Lej, ti pri vsaki plati samo preveri, če podpira X2 6400+(ker 9850 večinmo sploh še ni dodan med podprte procesorje). Če tega procesorja ni med podprtimi, potem ti 9850 100% ne bo laufal, 9550 pa bo delal zanesljivo le, če ne boš navijal.
Če XY plata podprira 6400+ pa še preveri, če ima vsaj 5-fazno napajanje ali 4-fazno s hlajenjem.
Da ti ne bo kasneje slučajno žal
Če XY plata podprira 6400+ pa še preveri, če ima vsaj 5-fazno napajanje ali 4-fazno s hlajenjem.
Da ti ne bo kasneje slučajno žal
x45 ::
Asrock 780G ma 5 fazno napajanje:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?M...
ased on the AMD 780G+SB700 chipset, this board supports all series of Phenom, X2 CPUs. This is not the case for some brands as ASRock uses a 5 phase PWM. It has proven to run the latest Phenom 9850 without any issues
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?M...
ased on the AMD 780G+SB700 chipset, this board supports all series of Phenom, X2 CPUs. This is not the case for some brands as ASRock uses a 5 phase PWM. It has proven to run the latest Phenom 9850 without any issues
destroyer2k ::
Ok tole sem jaz danes našel in sedaj ne vem ali je čisti BS ali pa resno, ampak na parih straneh imajo z istim modelom problem.
Phenom 9850BE not supported on AMD 770/780G boards
Apparently 780G mobos with 3 and 4 phase PWMs (which is the majority of them) will literally fry within a few minutes or even seconds when running 125W TDP processors, such as the X2 6400+ or Phenom 9850BE. I guess you could easily achieve the same results by overclocking slower CPUs too... perhaps enthusiasts should avoid this round of 780G mobos unless they run lower TDP CPUs or won't be doing any overclocking.
Phenom 9850BE not supported on AMD 770/780G boards
Apparently 780G mobos with 3 and 4 phase PWMs (which is the majority of them) will literally fry within a few minutes or even seconds when running 125W TDP processors, such as the X2 6400+ or Phenom 9850BE. I guess you could easily achieve the same results by overclocking slower CPUs too... perhaps enthusiasts should avoid this round of 780G mobos unless they run lower TDP CPUs or won't be doing any overclocking.
destroyer2k ::
Prvo na fudzilli sam tam glih ne vrjamem velik im, sam potem se šel brskat po netu in so še meli drugi težave analtech itd.
Azrael ::
Verjetno bo res, če so podatki, ki jih je navedel uporabnik jest10, točni. Če plata rabi minimalno 5 fazno napajanje, da se ne spraži, je to zelo slab znak, saj kaže, da imajo Phenomi, vsaj tisti malo hitrejši (po defaultu ali naviti) strahotne tokovne špice.
45A MosFETi so bili že davno na matičnih ploščah in ob predpostavki, da 4 fazno napajanje drži vsaj 120A, je nekaj narobe s podatkom o TDP 135W, lepo rečeno.
Ob default napetosti 1.25V, naj bi maksimalni tok, ki ga potegne CPU, ne bi presegel 110A. Ampak hitro spražene plate govorijo, da je ta tok bistveno večji. In ob takih tokovnih špicah je povsem realna možnost, da bo marsikateri navit Phenom zelo hitro izdihnil in sploh ne zaradi pregrevanja, ampak čisto mehanskih odpovedi chipa oz. povezav v njem.
Grrr...
Klinc pa tak polizdelek. Izdan na vsak način prehitro, pod pritiskom, da se vsaj približno držijo roadmap. Proces izdelave na vsak način še ni dodelan. Škoda, mogoče bo na 45 procesu bolje.
45A MosFETi so bili že davno na matičnih ploščah in ob predpostavki, da 4 fazno napajanje drži vsaj 120A, je nekaj narobe s podatkom o TDP 135W, lepo rečeno.
Ob default napetosti 1.25V, naj bi maksimalni tok, ki ga potegne CPU, ne bi presegel 110A. Ampak hitro spražene plate govorijo, da je ta tok bistveno večji. In ob takih tokovnih špicah je povsem realna možnost, da bo marsikateri navit Phenom zelo hitro izdihnil in sploh ne zaradi pregrevanja, ampak čisto mehanskih odpovedi chipa oz. povezav v njem.
Grrr...
Klinc pa tak polizdelek. Izdan na vsak način prehitro, pod pritiskom, da se vsaj približno držijo roadmap. Proces izdelave na vsak način še ni dodelan. Škoda, mogoče bo na 45 procesu bolje.
Nekoč je bil Slo-tech.
keba ::
Four MSI µATX boards do support 125W Phenoms
Our sources have informed us that MSI claims that its whole portfolio of micro ATX motherboards works with Phenom 9850 Black edition 125W CPU. This story comes after Anand's test and our story that you can find here.
MSI motherboards based on AMD 780G, Nvidia Geforce 8200 and AMD 780V chipsets have the PWM (power) design that can support full 125W CPU.
Four of the six MSI motherboards do support 125W CPU’s including K9A2GM-FIH based on AMD 780G chipset, K9N2GM-FIH based on Geforce 8200, K9A2VM-FD based on AMD 780V and K9N2GM-FD based on Geforce 8200 IGP chipsets.
The following boards based on Geforce 8200 and AMD 780V have the PWM power design for maximal 95W CPUs and the list includes K9A2GM-F v2 based on AMD 780V and K9N2GM-F v2 based on Geforce 8200 chipset.
We are expecting some of these motherboards for the test shortly and we will get back to you as soon as we get some details.
Our sources have informed us that MSI claims that its whole portfolio of micro ATX motherboards works with Phenom 9850 Black edition 125W CPU. This story comes after Anand's test and our story that you can find here.
MSI motherboards based on AMD 780G, Nvidia Geforce 8200 and AMD 780V chipsets have the PWM (power) design that can support full 125W CPU.
Four of the six MSI motherboards do support 125W CPU’s including K9A2GM-FIH based on AMD 780G chipset, K9N2GM-FIH based on Geforce 8200, K9A2VM-FD based on AMD 780V and K9N2GM-FD based on Geforce 8200 IGP chipsets.
The following boards based on Geforce 8200 and AMD 780V have the PWM power design for maximal 95W CPUs and the list includes K9A2GM-F v2 based on AMD 780V and K9N2GM-F v2 based on Geforce 8200 chipset.
We are expecting some of these motherboards for the test shortly and we will get back to you as soon as we get some details.
pozitron ::
X45 vidim, da tut prebral nisi članka od anandtecha, ki sem ga prilepil.
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x45 ::
nisem še zasledil do zdaj da bi plošče ble problematične ???
če so jo stestirali potem zadeva gor dela, tud kakih par 100 mhz več....
potem bi pri intelu ki se navije na 4000 mhz ( quad 6600 ) bli katastrofalni problemi, ker poraba raste več kot linearno.
tud qx 9770 ima TDp 132 W pa je 45 nm cpui z high metal k tranzistorji ??
Dost je takih ki pač ser.... po AMD ju brezveze... zasrali pa bodo sebe in konkurenco če izdihne .... Taki ki testirajo AMD vs intel kjer ma intel DDR3 rame v testu in je sistem skor 60% dražji pa nimajo nobene kredibilnosti pri meni.
se pa ne morem več s tem ukvarjat. ko bo čas....
če so jo stestirali potem zadeva gor dela, tud kakih par 100 mhz več....
potem bi pri intelu ki se navije na 4000 mhz ( quad 6600 ) bli katastrofalni problemi, ker poraba raste več kot linearno.
tud qx 9770 ima TDp 132 W pa je 45 nm cpui z high metal k tranzistorji ??
Dost je takih ki pač ser.... po AMD ju brezveze... zasrali pa bodo sebe in konkurenco če izdihne .... Taki ki testirajo AMD vs intel kjer ma intel DDR3 rame v testu in je sistem skor 60% dražji pa nimajo nobene kredibilnosti pri meni.
se pa ne morem več s tem ukvarjat. ko bo čas....
todman74 ::
Resnica je relativen pojem.....Intel je pač mnoogo večji in ima več "resnice"
na "trgu"....sem se pa navadu, da čedalje bolj verjamem le temu, kar vidim in
slišim na lastne "oči" in potem filtriram....pa se ne nanaša ot le na to temo,
ampak praktično na vse v življenju...
na "trgu"....sem se pa navadu, da čedalje bolj verjamem le temu, kar vidim in
slišim na lastne "oči" in potem filtriram....pa se ne nanaša ot le na to temo,
ampak praktično na vse v življenju...
keba ::
todman74 je lepo povedou.
jest10 ti tok govoriš proti x45 pa si sam isti če ne hujši. No pa nam ti zaupaj resnico!
jest10 ti tok govoriš proti x45 pa si sam isti če ne hujši. No pa nam ti zaupaj resnico!
x45 ::
še nekaj ( o intelu ) :
There are no more lies and no more cold war between Intel and Nvidia. Surprisingly, Nvidia just started a full-scale frontal attack on the biggest semiconductor company in the world that we all know as Intel.
Nvidia’s fearsome Jensen Huang, the CEO of the company (also known as the Borg queen), told analysts during its recent analyst days that, “Intel is false. They have crossed the line, they're saying false things."
Huang continued with the following, "They (Intel) said Nvidia is going to be dead. Their graphics are good, but we'll put graphics into the CPU and there is no place for them to stick it." He went on to compare Intel’s current Core 2 platform with the next-gen processors and said that it would be “nothing else but putting more transistors [on it] instead of thinking of a solution.”
"People don't buy Nvidia products because they have to, because they're allowed to. They buy our stuff because they want to. They're overwhelmed by the value and the benefit we bring," Huang noted.
"This team [Nvidia] is like a Ferrari team. We know how to bring visual technology to life. We bring 20-30-40x the performance advantage and 27x the price/performance ratio". Even if Intel was able to deliver a 10-fold performance increase, the company would still not be able to reach catch up with Nvidia and AMD in the discrete space, Huang said.
Jensen is known as a very passionate, brilliant and arrogant guy but going against Intel on a frontal full scale might be the worst thing that they ever decided. Nvidia went from close to $40 to current $19.88 which means that the company has to do something to fix this but this is simply too much.
In addition to this super ultra bold comments from Nvidia’s CEO, Nvidia’s Vice President also commented to some of its customers that “the war has just started that will likely be written about for years and which will affect everyone who owns a PC. Everyone.”
He continues “Basically the CPU is dead. Yes, that processor you see advertised everywhere from Intel. It runs out of steam. The fact is that it no longer makes anything run faster. You don’t need a fast one anymore. ”
He also says that Intel is panicking and that AMD is in trouble because you don’t need faster CPUs. Last time we checked AMD was in trouble for being incredibly late with K10 and for the bug that ruined its sales of heavily under clocked CPUs, but maybe Nvidia knows better.
Nvidia believes that Intel attacks Nvidia because it is panicking, as Nvidia has a chip that it calls GPU that needs to be faster and faster. We agree faster GPUs will run games faster and get more details and life like stuff but you still needs a CPU and many other chips in order to make the GPU work and perform.
There will be more let us just gather a few more things about this first attack. I am sure that Intel works hard on its counterattack and it probably won’t take any prisoners.
vir: fudzila
There are no more lies and no more cold war between Intel and Nvidia. Surprisingly, Nvidia just started a full-scale frontal attack on the biggest semiconductor company in the world that we all know as Intel.
Nvidia’s fearsome Jensen Huang, the CEO of the company (also known as the Borg queen), told analysts during its recent analyst days that, “Intel is false. They have crossed the line, they're saying false things."
Huang continued with the following, "They (Intel) said Nvidia is going to be dead. Their graphics are good, but we'll put graphics into the CPU and there is no place for them to stick it." He went on to compare Intel’s current Core 2 platform with the next-gen processors and said that it would be “nothing else but putting more transistors [on it] instead of thinking of a solution.”
"People don't buy Nvidia products because they have to, because they're allowed to. They buy our stuff because they want to. They're overwhelmed by the value and the benefit we bring," Huang noted.
"This team [Nvidia] is like a Ferrari team. We know how to bring visual technology to life. We bring 20-30-40x the performance advantage and 27x the price/performance ratio". Even if Intel was able to deliver a 10-fold performance increase, the company would still not be able to reach catch up with Nvidia and AMD in the discrete space, Huang said.
Jensen is known as a very passionate, brilliant and arrogant guy but going against Intel on a frontal full scale might be the worst thing that they ever decided. Nvidia went from close to $40 to current $19.88 which means that the company has to do something to fix this but this is simply too much.
In addition to this super ultra bold comments from Nvidia’s CEO, Nvidia’s Vice President also commented to some of its customers that “the war has just started that will likely be written about for years and which will affect everyone who owns a PC. Everyone.”
He continues “Basically the CPU is dead. Yes, that processor you see advertised everywhere from Intel. It runs out of steam. The fact is that it no longer makes anything run faster. You don’t need a fast one anymore. ”
He also says that Intel is panicking and that AMD is in trouble because you don’t need faster CPUs. Last time we checked AMD was in trouble for being incredibly late with K10 and for the bug that ruined its sales of heavily under clocked CPUs, but maybe Nvidia knows better.
Nvidia believes that Intel attacks Nvidia because it is panicking, as Nvidia has a chip that it calls GPU that needs to be faster and faster. We agree faster GPUs will run games faster and get more details and life like stuff but you still needs a CPU and many other chips in order to make the GPU work and perform.
There will be more let us just gather a few more things about this first attack. I am sure that Intel works hard on its counterattack and it probably won’t take any prisoners.
vir: fudzila
Azrael ::
In kaj ima tole napletanje zveze s temo?
BTW, podjetij, ki so napovedovali konec x86 arhitekturi in prevlaso njihove tehnologije, je bilo v zadnjih 25. letih ogromno.
Velika večina teh pogrebnikov je že dolgo bivša, mnoga tako, da današnje frocovlje o teh firmah še slišala ni (CBM, Atari, IBMov super mlinček RT (Risc Technology), Next, Cube...).
BTW, podjetij, ki so napovedovali konec x86 arhitekturi in prevlaso njihove tehnologije, je bilo v zadnjih 25. letih ogromno.
Velika večina teh pogrebnikov je že dolgo bivša, mnoga tako, da današnje frocovlje o teh firmah še slišala ni (CBM, Atari, IBMov super mlinček RT (Risc Technology), Next, Cube...).
Nekoč je bil Slo-tech.
x45 ::
Kako zanimivo je gledati, kako si ti zatiskaš oči pred očitno resnico
no tukaj je resnica !
x4 9850 BE navit na 3200 mhz zračno hlajen na 780G plošči, pa boljši scori napram ( dražjemu ) intelu q6600:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/processor...
jest10 ::
Boljši? Kakor jaz vidim, je Phenom boljši le v par testih... Ali se tebi pri tistih testih, kjer je Intel boljši zamegli vid in ne opaziš razlike?
Zanimivo pa da Q6600 niso testirali v igrah... So se vstrašili predobrih rezultatov, ker že C2D v večini iger potolče Phenoma?
Glej, čeprav se boš ti celo življenje metal na trepalnice, ne boš spremenil dejastva, da sta si X4 9850 in Q6600 nekako enakovredna po zmogljivosti. Tisto malenkost prednosti, ki jo ima Phenom pri ceni, bo pa itak izgubil konec tega meseca, ko bodo pocenitve Intelov. Če se navija, pa že sedaj nima nobene prednosti
Zanimivo pa da Q6600 niso testirali v igrah... So se vstrašili predobrih rezultatov, ker že C2D v večini iger potolče Phenoma?
Glej, čeprav se boš ti celo življenje metal na trepalnice, ne boš spremenil dejastva, da sta si X4 9850 in Q6600 nekako enakovredna po zmogljivosti. Tisto malenkost prednosti, ki jo ima Phenom pri ceni, bo pa itak izgubil konec tega meseca, ko bodo pocenitve Intelov. Če se navija, pa že sedaj nima nobene prednosti
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kmetek ::
Je treba bit realen in rečt, da je intel boljši. Imel dolgo časa AMD, Barton 2500+, 3000+/3200+ Venice, x2 3800+ in x2 3600+. Šel na Intel, najprej E2180, nato nekaj časa E6550 in sedaj E8400. To je čisto druga pesem. Če bi imel Quada bi bilo še bolje, sploh pa sedaj ko bodo kmalu krepko pod 200€.
Tujina pod 170.
Tujina pod 170.
destroyer2k ::
x45
Intel in nvidia metata en druga največji BS. Nvidia ne bo naredla nobeno konkurencijo intelu v cpu in intel ne bi nikoli vsaj v tem desetletju naredil v grafičnem svetu konkurenco.
Intel in nvidia metata en druga največji BS. Nvidia ne bo naredla nobeno konkurencijo intelu v cpu in intel ne bi nikoli vsaj v tem desetletju naredil v grafičnem svetu konkurenco.
jimyboy ::
Test na Guru3d. Procesor je precej hiter, vendar rabi obupno veliko W.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/processor/521/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/processor/521/
x45 ::
glede porabe ( ki ni tako vlka ) že imam drastično izboljšanje:
ASRock K10N78FullHD-hSLI
ASRock K10N750SLI-WIFI NF750a
The deterioration of environment and the shortage of natural resources had increasingly become an undeniable threat to human being. Given the concern for environmental protection and energy saving, as a MB maker with eco-awareness, ASRock successfully developed the Worldwide First AM2+ MB supporting Intelligent Energy Saving solution - ASRock K10N750SLI-WiFi. ASRock K10N750SLI-WiFi is the first MB implements AMD PSI (Power State Indicator) spec, which is a function for AM2+ platform to improve energy efficiency by disabling extra phases when CPU is at light loading. The exclusively designed Intelligent Energy Saver can effectively increase Voltage Regulator Efficiency by 16% and decrease its Voltage Regulator power consumption by 48% without reducing CPU performance and reliability. Based on NVIDIA® nForce 750a SLI chipset, ASRock K10N750SLI-WiFi not only saves energy, but also comes with great Graphics scalability by supporting NVIDIA® SLITM and Hybrid SLI™ Technology, PCI-E 2.0 slot, IEEE1394 and WiFi-802.11g module.
ASRock K10N78FullHD-hSLI
ASRock K10N750SLI-WIFI NF750a
The deterioration of environment and the shortage of natural resources had increasingly become an undeniable threat to human being. Given the concern for environmental protection and energy saving, as a MB maker with eco-awareness, ASRock successfully developed the Worldwide First AM2+ MB supporting Intelligent Energy Saving solution - ASRock K10N750SLI-WiFi. ASRock K10N750SLI-WiFi is the first MB implements AMD PSI (Power State Indicator) spec, which is a function for AM2+ platform to improve energy efficiency by disabling extra phases when CPU is at light loading. The exclusively designed Intelligent Energy Saver can effectively increase Voltage Regulator Efficiency by 16% and decrease its Voltage Regulator power consumption by 48% without reducing CPU performance and reliability. Based on NVIDIA® nForce 750a SLI chipset, ASRock K10N750SLI-WiFi not only saves energy, but also comes with great Graphics scalability by supporting NVIDIA® SLITM and Hybrid SLI™ Technology, PCI-E 2.0 slot, IEEE1394 and WiFi-802.11g module.
x45 ::
125w je TDp - je kratica dizajna oz max. porabe.
Intel quad z 65 nm in navit na 3 ghz z dodatkom North bridga iz čipseta ( ki je pri amd ju v cpu ju ) požre še več.
IDLE OZ. VSOTA PORABE PA BO S TEMI PLOŠČAMI AMD NAJVARČNEJŠI QUAD. KER LOAD MAŠ DEJANSKO MAX 10% ČASA KO JE PC PRIŽGAN. ŠE DODATNO Z k 10,5 45 NM KI PRIDE KMALU.
Intel quad z 65 nm in navit na 3 ghz z dodatkom North bridga iz čipseta ( ki je pri amd ju v cpu ju ) požre še več.
IDLE OZ. VSOTA PORABE PA BO S TEMI PLOŠČAMI AMD NAJVARČNEJŠI QUAD. KER LOAD MAŠ DEJANSKO MAX 10% ČASA KO JE PC PRIŽGAN. ŠE DODATNO Z k 10,5 45 NM KI PRIDE KMALU.
Azrael ::
x45 kupi novo tipkovnico ali se je nauči uporabljati, tudi tlinajstletniki jo vsaj nekateri znajo. Kričanje ni na mestu.
In še komentar na tvojo najnovejšo cvetko, da je procesor na 100% samo 10% časa.
Hmm in kaj porečeš za tiste, ki jim Load Average spiše nekaj v stilo 1.00 1.00 1.00 ?
Misliš da OS laže, ko vrže ven take cifre in bi moralo v resnici biti 0.10 0.10 0.10?
Pa tudi, če bi to po nekem čudežu celo bilo res, čemu bi potem zadevo navil na 3GHz, saj bi potem povsem zadostoval 300MHz procesor? Pasivno hlajen, se ve.
In praviš 45nm AMD pride kmalu. Kdaj je to? Še v tem desetletju? Stoletju? Ob svetem nikoli? Ko bo sedanje vodstvo končno dobilo zaslužen čevelj?
In še komentar na tvojo najnovejšo cvetko, da je procesor na 100% samo 10% časa.
Hmm in kaj porečeš za tiste, ki jim Load Average spiše nekaj v stilo 1.00 1.00 1.00 ?
Misliš da OS laže, ko vrže ven take cifre in bi moralo v resnici biti 0.10 0.10 0.10?
Pa tudi, če bi to po nekem čudežu celo bilo res, čemu bi potem zadevo navil na 3GHz, saj bi potem povsem zadostoval 300MHz procesor? Pasivno hlajen, se ve.
In praviš 45nm AMD pride kmalu. Kdaj je to? Še v tem desetletju? Stoletju? Ob svetem nikoli? Ko bo sedanje vodstvo končno dobilo zaslužen čevelj?
Nekoč je bil Slo-tech.
x45 ::
Azrael:
so nekateri in je večina, večina zagotovo uporablja max. cpu load v 5 do 10 % vsega časa ko je pc prižgan. N vidia pa je predstavila kot prva ploščo, ki izkoristi tudi to funkcijo AM+ zasnove.
ŠE NEKAJ ZATE : 45 nm cpu AMD ji so že delovali na pred Ce bitom, tam so bili demoti z njimi, ti pa si očitno vse spregleal.
so nekateri in je večina, večina zagotovo uporablja max. cpu load v 5 do 10 % vsega časa ko je pc prižgan. N vidia pa je predstavila kot prva ploščo, ki izkoristi tudi to funkcijo AM+ zasnove.
ŠE NEKAJ ZATE : 45 nm cpu AMD ji so že delovali na pred Ce bitom, tam so bili demoti z njimi, ti pa si očitno vse spregleal.
x45 ::
In praviš 45nm AMD pride kmalu. Kdaj je to? Še v tem desetletju? Stoletju? Ob svetem nikoli? Ko bo sedanje vodstvo končno dobilo zaslužen čevelj?
še sveža novica za tlinajst letnega stlokonjaka:
http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardwar...
45 nm AMD Quad dela že na 3,0 ghz, prostora za optimiranje do q3 2008 pa je še veliko....
destroyer2k ::
x45
In kje je bil na cebitu 45nm AMD, ker jaz ga res nisem nikjer videl, tako da če s tem letiš tukaj daj link kjer piše da je bil na cebitu 45nm phenom!
In kje je bil na cebitu 45nm AMD, ker jaz ga res nisem nikjer videl, tako da če s tem letiš tukaj daj link kjer piše da je bil na cebitu 45nm phenom!
Brane2 ::
Baje da so res pokazali demo 45nm čip.
Kdaj naj bi to pomenilo čip na policah ne vem, vsi pa pravijo, da to mora biti kmalu že zaradi AMDjevih izgub in mislim da so bili čipi napovedani za Q2.
Glede na vse bi napovedim zmerno verjel. Ajde na skali od 0-100 verjetno 66% po moji oceni.
Sicer pa niti 65 nm čipi niso tako slabi.
NIso tako gatetrgajoči kot je vpil AMD da bodo, ampak baje sploh niso slabi. Še posebno za te denarje.
Kdaj naj bi to pomenilo čip na policah ne vem, vsi pa pravijo, da to mora biti kmalu že zaradi AMDjevih izgub in mislim da so bili čipi napovedani za Q2.
Glede na vse bi napovedim zmerno verjel. Ajde na skali od 0-100 verjetno 66% po moji oceni.
Sicer pa niti 65 nm čipi niso tako slabi.
NIso tako gatetrgajoči kot je vpil AMD da bodo, ampak baje sploh niso slabi. Še posebno za te denarje.
On the journey of life, I chose the psycho path.
destroyer2k ::
Brane2
45nm je bil govor da bo na cebitu kasneje pa niso predstavili ga, mogoče za vip nekatere samo samo zelo dvomim, ker še 65nm niso imeli porihtane. Drugače phenom je samo eden vredi procesor in to je 9850BE, o tri jedrni pa ne bom besed izgublal, ker wtf najbolši 3 jedrni je dražji od 9850be tukaj je malo mim trofjen.
45nm je bil govor da bo na cebitu kasneje pa niso predstavili ga, mogoče za vip nekatere samo samo zelo dvomim, ker še 65nm niso imeli porihtane. Drugače phenom je samo eden vredi procesor in to je 9850BE, o tri jedrni pa ne bom besed izgublal, ker wtf najbolši 3 jedrni je dražji od 9850be tukaj je malo mim trofjen.
Brane2 ::
Nekje sem bral da so ga pokazali izbranim. Ne spomnim se točno kje.
On the journey of life, I chose the psycho path.
x45 ::
Brane2
45nm je bil govor da bo na cebitu kasneje pa niso predstavili ga, mogoče za vip nekatere samo samo zelo dvomim, ker še 65nm niso imeli porihtane. Drugače phenom je samo eden vredi procesor in to je 9850BE, o tri jedrni pa ne bom besed izgublal, ker wtf najbolši 3 jedrni je dražji od 9850be tukaj je malo mim trofjen.
ti si pa res pravi stručko , nisi na tekočem niti s cenami niti ostalim...:
testi:
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardw...
45 nm:
http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardwar...
After the B3 version of Phenom, branded Phenom 9x50, AMD will introduce its highly anticipated 45nm K10.5 codenamed Deneb.
Deneb comes in second half of 2008 and we hope it will arrive sooner rather than later. The 65nm K10 can reach up to 2.6GHz and all faster parts will be based on the Deneb 45nm K10.5 core.
After Deneb, AMD plans to launch Propus, the L3 cacheless version of K10.5 core that will be smaller and cheaper to produce than any Nehalem. Let's hope that Deneb can go over 3GHz but some early findings indicate that it should.
destroyer2k ::
x45
Potem pa ti ne znaš brati cene
Trijedrnik
Phenom 8750, 2.4 GHz – Amazon: $305.60
quad
Phenom 9850 BE, 2.5 GHz – Amazon: $235.99
In kaj tukaj ne štima?
In daj mi predstavitev 45nm phenoma od cebita in 15 april ni bil cebit. In koliko sem povedal 9900 še ni v prodaji, tako da sploh ne mislim pogledat performans tega čipa, ker prevelikrat me je amd razočaral pred izidom phenom.
Potem pa ti ne znaš brati cene
Trijedrnik
Phenom 8750, 2.4 GHz – Amazon: $305.60
quad
Phenom 9850 BE, 2.5 GHz – Amazon: $235.99
In kaj tukaj ne štima?
In daj mi predstavitev 45nm phenoma od cebita in 15 april ni bil cebit. In koliko sem povedal 9900 še ni v prodaji, tako da sploh ne mislim pogledat performans tega čipa, ker prevelikrat me je amd razočaral pred izidom phenom.
x45 ::
3 jedrne Phenome maš pri nas na sestavi.si in nakupi.net od ene 135 eur dalje, odličen nakup... ( scori so skor enaki x4 )
Ce-bit si očitno prešprical.... tud po www ju...
9900 je za samo za 100 mhz navit 9850BE oz = nov 9950 BE ki ima B3 stepping in bo vsak čas v prodaji mogoče je že v tujini, poglej novice.
Ce-bit si očitno prešprical.... tud po www ju...
9900 je za samo za 100 mhz navit 9850BE oz = nov 9950 BE ki ima B3 stepping in bo vsak čas v prodaji mogoče je že v tujini, poglej novice.
mesoreznica ::
Kaj če bi se nehali prepirat in bi šli nazaj na temo.
Torej vzel bom Phenoma 9750 pri AGT-ju. Kolk sem videl online obstaja v dveh verzijah 125W in 95W.
Recimo da me navijanje ne zanima in ne rabim neke divje plate. Kaj naj vzamem za normalen denar? Še enkrat, navijat ne mislim, ampak bi rad stabilen sistem.
LP
Torej vzel bom Phenoma 9750 pri AGT-ju. Kolk sem videl online obstaja v dveh verzijah 125W in 95W.
Recimo da me navijanje ne zanima in ne rabim neke divje plate. Kaj naj vzamem za normalen denar? Še enkrat, navijat ne mislim, ampak bi rad stabilen sistem.
LP
Gigabyte UD3P, E8500 @ 4.5 GHz , HD4870-X2, 4GB ram (Xtreeme Dark),
WD Velociraptor, LC Legion-X
WD Velociraptor, LC Legion-X
x45 ::
Vsekakor nekaj na 780G... super čipset ( 780g + SB700 ) in grafika.
Grafično jedro je zelo zmogljivo gre pa navit iz 500 na 1200 mhz. prverjeno na gigabyte plošči.
Phenom pa jasno 95w.
Ps kje imajo 125 w in kje 95 W verzijo?
Grafično jedro je zelo zmogljivo gre pa navit iz 500 na 1200 mhz. prverjeno na gigabyte plošči.
Phenom pa jasno 95w.
Ps kje imajo 125 w in kje 95 W verzijo?
mesoreznica ::
Vsekakor nekaj na 780G... super čipset ( 780g + SB700 ) in grafika.
Grafično jedro je zelo zmogljivo gre pa navit iz 500 na 1200 mhz. prverjeno na gigabyte plošči.
Phenom pa jasno 95w.
Ps kje imajo 125 w in kje 95 W verzijo?
Fora je da ne vem kira verzija je pri AGT-ju. Nikjer ne piše, dvomim da tudi na papirjih piše.
Podatek o watih sem pa našel tule: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14424
LP
Gigabyte UD3P, E8500 @ 4.5 GHz , HD4870-X2, 4GB ram (Xtreeme Dark),
WD Velociraptor, LC Legion-X
WD Velociraptor, LC Legion-X
jest10 ::
Pa daj no, ne kotali buč! Kje ti vidiš kakšno zmogljivo grafično jedro?? Ta intergirana zadevščina je slabša od HD 2400PRO
Razen, če je zate zmogljivo 55FPS v D3 pri 640x480 in medium nastavitvah
Razen, če je zate zmogljivo 55FPS v D3 pri 640x480 in medium nastavitvah
Brane2 ::
Nekaj se govori o novem SB750 Southbridgeu ki naj bi bil še posebno overclock friendly.
Kaj ima SB z OCjem mi ni čisto najbolj jasno, ampak če tako pravijo na Fudzilli...
Fudzilla
Kaj ima SB z OCjem mi ni čisto najbolj jasno, ampak če tako pravijo na Fudzilli...
Fudzilla
On the journey of life, I chose the psycho path.
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mesoreznica ::
Grafični vmesnik me ne gane. Ga ne rabim.
Kako se kaj obnesejo plate na AMD 770 chipu? Recimo: ASUS M3A AMD770.
Navijalski potencial me ne zanima. Samo stabilno delovanje.
LP
Kako se kaj obnesejo plate na AMD 770 chipu? Recimo: ASUS M3A AMD770.
Navijalski potencial me ne zanima. Samo stabilno delovanje.
LP
Gigabyte UD3P, E8500 @ 4.5 GHz , HD4870-X2, 4GB ram (Xtreeme Dark),
WD Velociraptor, LC Legion-X
WD Velociraptor, LC Legion-X
x45 ::
780g čipset:
Že na defaultu je zelo dobra grafika
navit gre za celih 174% !
http://www.puissance-pc.net/cpu-mobo-ra...
Že na defaultu je zelo dobra grafika
navit gre za celih 174% !
http://www.puissance-pc.net/cpu-mobo-ra...
x45 ::
780g je boljša vsekakor. pač ne nevijaš nič. Vzemi ono s podporo 125 W TDP procesorjem.
770 je ok, sam ne tak kot 780g.
770 je ok, sam ne tak kot 780g.
jest10 ::
780g čipset:
Že na defaultu je zelo dobra grafika
navit gre za celih 174% !
http://www.puissance-pc.net/cpu-mobo-ra...
Dobra grafika v primerjavi z drugimi integriranimi... Daj človek, zresni se no! Grafična v tem čipovju je slabša od 2400PRO
x45 ::
jest10 spet ti pa kontriraš vsemu kr v 3 dni brez veze. Grafika je po zmogljivosti in kvaliteti slike daleš najboljša integrirana jasno, čipset pa je zmožen hybrid crossfire načina, integrirano poveže z add on grafiko ( ati ) in scori so temu primerni. To si poglejte:
jest10 ::
jest10 spet ti pa kontriraš vsemu kr v 3 dni brez veze. Grafika je po zmogljivosti in kvaliteti slike daleš najboljša integrirana jasno, čipset pa je zmožen hybrid crossfire načina, integrirano poveže z add on grafiko ( ati ) in scori so temu primerni. To si poglejte:
Da kontram brez veze? Niti pod razno
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