Svoboda izražanja vs. islam (film Fitna ipd.)

Če verjameš v take obskurnosti, kot so Bog in hudič, pol ti to verjetno kaj pomeni. Če ne, pa se ti taki "argumenti" lahko zdijo samo smešni. Eni pač niso sposobni videt vloge, ki jo religija igra pri legitimiranju čisto posvetnih ciljev...škoda za vas.

Daedalus, kako si pa ti prišel do tega, da se vera v Boga izključuje s priznavanjem "vloge, ki jo religija igra pri legitimiranju čisto posvetnih ciljev"???

Če enkrat pogledaš na religijo malo bolj pragmatično, le-ta hitro zgubi legitimacijo. In če religija, ki propagira določenega Boga, zgubi legitimacijo, kaj to pomeni za samo idejo Boga? Razen tega, da ne more biti kaj prida, če so pa njegovi zastopniki čist mim? Bi pa rekel, da tako gledanje verniki težko sprejmejo. Valda, Bog je a must have (se ne dvomi, ker pol marsikaj zgubi smisel), ljudje smo pač slabi. V skladu z religiozno indoktrinacijo.

Če pa Bog dejansko obstaja in dopušča vsakovrstne perverzije v lastnem imenu, pol pa sploh nočem met z njim nikakršnega opravka.

Sej to razumem. In točno to je tisto, česar ne kupim. Ne morejo mi grešniki razlagat, kako naj ne bom grešen. Pa če so še tako požegnani Mislim, kako pa bi ti gledal na prodajalca, ki ti recimo prodaja "najboljšo priložnost za instant bogastvo" če pa je ta prodajalec - navaden klošar? Tu nekam pač jaz pol vržem vse svete može, ki eno razlagajo, drugo pa delajo. In to odstopanje pol krijejo z različnimi opravičili tipa, da sej pa smo itak vsi grešniki. Od samooklicanih moralnih avtoritet pač pričakujem precej več.

Vzemite si dve minuti in si poglejte spodnji clip:
Hamas MP and Cleric Yunis Al-Astal in a Friday Sermon: We Will Conquer Rome, and from There Continue to Conquer the Two Americas and Eastern Europe

Daedalus, s stališča vernika "čisto posvetnih ciljev" ni, saj religija deluje kot moralni kompas za presojanje vsega človeškega delovanja.

Uuuuu, se že bojimo. Seriously.

A si predstavljaš, da bi poslanec vladajoče (ne opozicijske, kot Geert Wilders) nizozemske stranke pozval k uničenju islama, zavojevanju Meke in celotnega Bližnjega Vzhoda?

Jaz pa se bojim, saj če se ne bomo borili proti tem cepcem, bomo kmalu imeli tu Eurabijo!!!

"pozval k uničenju islama, zavojevanju Meke in celotnega Bližnjega Vzhoda? "

nah, so probali pred tisoč leti, pa jim ni glih uspelo

Za Francijo vem, da so in to me skrbi. zelo. ce v razsvetljeni Evropi, nekdo posilja zenske za stedilnik in ven iz sol, me to zelo skrbi.

No ja, odnos do žensk je lahko zaskrbljujoč tudi na slovenskem katoliškem podeželju...

No ja, odnos do žensk je lahko zaskrbljujoč tudi na slovenskem katoliškem podeželju...

ma prosim te no
niti v približno isti kategoriji ni

"Največja nevarnost za civilizacijo je ravno skrajni multikulturalizem"

kolikor globalizacija napreduje, bo na svetu počasi obstajala samo še ena rasa, zakaj bi se mogli do takrat pobijati med sabo?

Fundije, ki so hoteli pobit vse "nevernike", smo imeli tudi tu. Potem smo pa postali dovolj pametni, da smo jih dali na ketno. Enako bo treba storit z Islamom, samo se mi zdi, kakor grejo trenutno stvari na ME, da z orožjem le rahljamo še tisto malo špagic, ki jih držijo nazaj.

zdi se mi znano...

Vojna ni samo verska, vojna je rasna. Naša spreobrnitev v Islam ne bi bila dovolj, da nas Arabci ne bi imeli za Druge - in mi njih.

Biologija je naša usoda. Biologija bo naša usoda, vse dokler bo biologija naša usoda.

"nižja rodnost"

seveda, če pa ženski ne pustijo delati kariere, če ima otroke

Si ziher, Thomas, da nima kak skrajnež kake "hude bombe"? Saj veš, še iz časov, ko je bil "prijatelj" in ga je podpirala CIA?

Hmm, Thomas. Si v tujih medijih prebral novico o tem kako so lani avgusta v ameriški vojski izgubili nekaj jedrskih bomb?

Zanimiva zgodba, čeprav so jih potem našli.

"Those enemies of mine, who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in fron of me"

-Jesus (Luke 19:27)

PODPIŠITE PETICIJO!

To: The Dutch Government

WHEREAS Geert Wilders has exercised his fundamental human right of freedom of expression and spoken out, with facts and evidence, of the threat posed by radical Islam;

WHEREAS certain elements within Islamic communities have threatened a boycott of Dutch goods if Geert Wilders is not punished by the Dutch government for exercising his freedom of expression; and

WHEREAS certain elements in Dutch industry and the Dutch government are suggesting that Geert Wilders be prosecuted civilly or criminally, in order to prevent such a boycott;

IT IS RESOLVED that, in the event that the Dutch government attempts, in any way, to punish or prosecute Geert Wilders, civilly or criminally, for exercising his freedom of expression, the undersigned will initiate a boycott of any and all Dutch goods.

http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/p...

Zakaj bi sponzorirali človeka, ki se bori proti samo eni religiji?

Bistri007> Zato, ker samo pripadniki ene "religije":
Bistri007> - ti grozijo s fizičnim nasiljem, celo smrtjo zaradi uporabe pravice do izražanja
Bistri007> - ker mora ubogi človek imeti 24h policijsko varstvo, ker si upa govoriti

To žal velja za vse religije.

Bistri007> Nikakor pa ne grozil z umorom umetnika. V tem je razlika.

Saj Nedžad Grabus tudi ne bi.

Becky Fischer pa po drugi strani bi, recimo.

Bistri007> PS: Jaz sem že doniral Wildersu

Jaz sem pa (tudi ta mesec) doniral Amnesty International, ki vsak dan naredi več zoper militantni islam, kot bo Wilders v celem življenju.

Bistri007> Ajde jype, najdi linke s primeri in jih prilimaj.

St. Bartholomew's Day massacre @ Wikipedia
Sabra and Shatila massacre @ Wikipedia
Cave of the Patriarchs massacre @ Wikipedia

Kolkr hočeš tega.

Tole spodaj sicer velja za Severno Ameriko, ampak v Eurabiji je pa dejanska izvedba na žalost že na višji ravni...

“Destroying Western Civilization From Within”

A formal plan for targeting America was devised three years after the Iranian revolution, in 1982.[6]. The plan was summarized in a 1991 memorandum written by Mohamed Akram, an operative of the Muslim Brotherhood. “The process of settlement” of Muslims in America, Akram explained, “is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process.’” This means that members of the Brotherhood “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

This memo surfaced in a Texas courtroom in the fall of 2007 after prosecutors introduced it as evidence in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation, once the largest Islamic charity in the United States.[8] The HLF was charged with funneling charitable donations to the jihad terrorists of the Islamic Resistance Movement, or Hamas, a Brotherhood organization that now controls the Gaza Strip. But the implications of this document go far beyond the Holy Land Foundation.

It is actually a blueprint for the subversion of American society, and the eventual imposition of Islamic law in the United States. This would mean an institutionalized oppression of women, homosexuals, and religious minorities; the end of freedom of speech and the freedom of conscience; and the replacement of democracy by theocracy.

U.S. authorities had been keeping an eye on Brotherhood operatives even before the memo surfaced. In 2001, U.S. officials accused Youssef Nada, a member of the organization, of funding terrorism.[9] Two years later, American investigators described Soliman Biheiri, a businessman in Virginia, as the Brotherhood’s U.S. “financial toehold.”

Surveying the Islamic organizations that existed in the U.S. in 1991, Mohamed Akram declared in his memo: “The big challenge that is ahead of us is how to turn these seeds or ‘scattered’ elements into comprehensive, stable, ‘settled’ organizations that are connected with our Movement and which fly in our orbit and take orders from our guidance.”

At the end of the document, Akram provided “a list of our organizations and the organizations of our friends” – apparently, those whom he believed were likewise dedicated to this great project of sabotaging the “miserable house” of American society. Surveying all these groups filled him with enthusiasm: “Imagine if they all march according to one plan!!!”[10]

Akram contemplated a network of many overlapping groups, with personnel that move from one to the other and hold positions in different organizations simultaneously—an arrangement that resembles the Communist Party’s creation of interlocking front groups during the Cold War and complicates the task of understanding and tracking the pattern of their activities.

The organizations Akram saw as advancing the Islamo-Fascist movement in America included, among many others, the Islamic Society of North America, the North American Islamic Trust, the Islamic Circle of North America, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, and the Islamic Association for Palestine – from which came the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) three years later. But perhaps the most important of these groups in terms of the long term infiltration and conquest the Brotherhood envisioned was The Muslim Students Association (MSA).

Vir: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re...

Levičarji, na lepi poti ste, da pomagate pri tem:
"eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers".

Prav zabavno je brati odgovore nekaterih fanatikov.

Mah temu umetniku, kaj se folk spomni ter je nagrajen.

Še enkrat:
A poznaš kako drugo religijo, kjer te gredo njeni pripadniki ubiti, če kaj "preveč" rečeš čeznjo? (zoroastijanci? budisti? hindujci? sikhi? konfucianisti? šinto? judje? new agerji? satanisti? afriške rodovne religije? taoisti? jogiji? hare krišna? mormoni?)

Pa probaj najti kakšen sodoben konflikt, ki ne vključuje muslimanov...