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Svoboda izražanja vs. islam (film Fitna ipd.)
Barakuda1 ::
Katolik, Islamec pa Hindujec se kregajo kateri ima večjega, ateist jih pa nahruli naj že utihnejo enkrat ker ne more zaspat.
Če bi jih nahrulil, je o.k.
Če pa misliš, da je potrebno podret vsa njihova obeležja in na njih mesto postavit tebi draga obeležja, je pa to nekaj drugega. Kapiš
Looooooka ::
-Film bi bil neprimeren 5 let nazaj
-Film je cisto primeren letos.
muslimani v Evropi izsiljuejo evropsko javnost do ze prou smesnih razseznosti.
ko pretepejo zenske jim na sodiscih rata dobit manjso kazen ker so oni muslimani.
ko nek danski casopis narise nek strip(ki je cist smesen pa se lahko vsi muslimani na glavo postavte)...se gre cela Evropa opravicevat namesto, da bi se mogoce opravicil samo avtor.
zenske v politiki grejo seb,svoji drzavi in celi Evropi delat sramoto tko da si ovijejo glavo in se potem opravicujejo enim debilom kot je folk iz Irana, ker oni protestirajo zarad slikice....na Danskem?
Zame je vsak folk, ki stoji na cesti in protestira pa seziga zastave pa obljublja smrt celmu kontinentu zarad izjave oz dejanj mogoce 5 ljudi...neumen,primitiven in na tok nizkem nivoju, da bi vsakega politika, ki se jim gre opravicvat na mestu odstavil.
Vsazka, ki gre pisat "zalil je nasega velika preroka Mohameda...razbil te bom kot kanto" in podobne bedarije bi pa tud prasu ce v lajfu nima nc bl pametnega za delat.
Recimo, da Mohamed obstaja...in da je "veliki" Alah res edina stvar, ki se ji je treba klanjat...
Zakaj hudica bi se neki tok velkega sekiral zarad nepomembnih "nevernikov".Ce lahko kristjani pac dajo mir ker "vedo" , da smo ga ateisti najebal po smrti....zakaj je muslimanom to tok tezko.
Ce tega ne morjo nardit...samo dokazujejo, da je Islam krvava in nevarna vera in da se z njo ne da mirno zivet.
In ja...bit nestrpen do ljudi, ki zivijo cisto drugace kot mi v Evropi in probavajo ta nacin zivljenja prnest v Evropo...je cist fino in dovoljeno.
Men se na pol nage zenske na cesti zdijo cist ok.Ce prevara moza si je verjetn sam to zasluzu...pretepst zensko tega ne spremeni.
Pedri so neki kar je men osebno neki cist neestetskega in neeroticnega ampak zarad mene lahko mirno delajo kar hocejo.Ena konkurenca manj.
Me bl motjo kreteni, ki bi jih zarad tega radi obesili.
Takim ljudem se Evropska politika ne bi smela ne opravicvat...kaj sele, da se jim klanja in za njih dela kakrsne kol privilegije in izjeme.
Je ze dost to da nam Vatikan probava splave prepovedat...vsaj ene ekstremisticne vzhodnjake bi lahko ignoriral in jih, ko protestirajo zarad videoposnetkov in risank poslal tja kamor spadajo...
Aja...pa verjetn da normalnega muslimana prepoznas ze po tem da tega posta ne vzame kot zalitve vseh muslimanov...ampak doticnih psihicev iz televizije...
-Film je cisto primeren letos.
muslimani v Evropi izsiljuejo evropsko javnost do ze prou smesnih razseznosti.
ko pretepejo zenske jim na sodiscih rata dobit manjso kazen ker so oni muslimani.
ko nek danski casopis narise nek strip(ki je cist smesen pa se lahko vsi muslimani na glavo postavte)...se gre cela Evropa opravicevat namesto, da bi se mogoce opravicil samo avtor.
zenske v politiki grejo seb,svoji drzavi in celi Evropi delat sramoto tko da si ovijejo glavo in se potem opravicujejo enim debilom kot je folk iz Irana, ker oni protestirajo zarad slikice....na Danskem?
Zame je vsak folk, ki stoji na cesti in protestira pa seziga zastave pa obljublja smrt celmu kontinentu zarad izjave oz dejanj mogoce 5 ljudi...neumen,primitiven in na tok nizkem nivoju, da bi vsakega politika, ki se jim gre opravicvat na mestu odstavil.
Vsazka, ki gre pisat "zalil je nasega velika preroka Mohameda...razbil te bom kot kanto" in podobne bedarije bi pa tud prasu ce v lajfu nima nc bl pametnega za delat.
Recimo, da Mohamed obstaja...in da je "veliki" Alah res edina stvar, ki se ji je treba klanjat...
Zakaj hudica bi se neki tok velkega sekiral zarad nepomembnih "nevernikov".Ce lahko kristjani pac dajo mir ker "vedo" , da smo ga ateisti najebal po smrti....zakaj je muslimanom to tok tezko.
Ce tega ne morjo nardit...samo dokazujejo, da je Islam krvava in nevarna vera in da se z njo ne da mirno zivet.
In ja...bit nestrpen do ljudi, ki zivijo cisto drugace kot mi v Evropi in probavajo ta nacin zivljenja prnest v Evropo...je cist fino in dovoljeno.
Men se na pol nage zenske na cesti zdijo cist ok.Ce prevara moza si je verjetn sam to zasluzu...pretepst zensko tega ne spremeni.
Pedri so neki kar je men osebno neki cist neestetskega in neeroticnega ampak zarad mene lahko mirno delajo kar hocejo.Ena konkurenca manj.
Me bl motjo kreteni, ki bi jih zarad tega radi obesili.
Takim ljudem se Evropska politika ne bi smela ne opravicvat...kaj sele, da se jim klanja in za njih dela kakrsne kol privilegije in izjeme.
Je ze dost to da nam Vatikan probava splave prepovedat...vsaj ene ekstremisticne vzhodnjake bi lahko ignoriral in jih, ko protestirajo zarad videoposnetkov in risank poslal tja kamor spadajo...
Aja...pa verjetn da normalnega muslimana prepoznas ze po tem da tega posta ne vzame kot zalitve vseh muslimanov...ampak doticnih psihicev iz televizije...
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Bistri007 ::
Znani in ugledni ljudje o islamu (berite, če vas seveda zanima resnica o islamu)
Winston Churchill On Islam
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
(A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan )
John Quincy Adams who wrote in 1829,
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force".
John Wesley (1703-91) who wrote,
"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind".
Hilaire Belloc who wrote in 1938,
"Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans -- still nominally Christian -- and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam".
Bishop Fulton J Sheen who wrote in 1950,
"Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power".
Patriarch Cyrus of Alexandria, while negotiating the surrender of Alexandria to the Muslims, 640 AD,
"I am afraid that God has sent these men to lay waste the world".
Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354,
"For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life.".
William Eaton, US Consul to Tunis, wrote in 1799,
"Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives…The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind…"
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men." - John Quincy Adams
"The Muslim religion is so unreformed since it was created that nowhere in the Muslim world has there been any real advance in science, or art or literature, or technology in the last 500 years" - Lord Tebbit
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this: "Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah" (i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." – Vernon Richards
“Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.” – Andre Servier, 1922
“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.”
“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any "social values" whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such "social values" today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do - that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.” – Theodore Roosevelt
"Of course, there are distinguished precedents even for the bleakest and coarsest of these judgements. To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam’s ‘destructive spirit’ spoke ‘only by the sword’; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a ‘wretched book’ in which he had ‘not been able to discover one single idea of value’; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was ‘deadly’, ‘to be feared’ and a ‘form of decadence’". – David Selbourne – The Losing Battle with Islam
Ayatollah Khomeini, from 1942:
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” - Ayatollah Khomeini
Winston Churchill On Islam
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
(A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan )
John Quincy Adams who wrote in 1829,
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force".
John Wesley (1703-91) who wrote,
"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind".
Hilaire Belloc who wrote in 1938,
"Will not perhaps the temporal power of Islam return and with it the menace of an armed Mohammedan world, which will shake off the domination of Europeans -- still nominally Christian -- and reappear as the prime enemy of our civilization? The future always comes as a surprise, but political wisdom consists in attempting at least some partial judgment of what that surprise may be. And for my part I cannot but believe that a main unexpected thing of the future is the return of Islam".
Bishop Fulton J Sheen who wrote in 1950,
"Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power".
Patriarch Cyrus of Alexandria, while negotiating the surrender of Alexandria to the Muslims, 640 AD,
"I am afraid that God has sent these men to lay waste the world".
Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354,
"For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life.".
William Eaton, US Consul to Tunis, wrote in 1799,
"Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives…The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind…"
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men." - John Quincy Adams
"The Muslim religion is so unreformed since it was created that nowhere in the Muslim world has there been any real advance in science, or art or literature, or technology in the last 500 years" - Lord Tebbit
"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this: "Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah" (i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." – Vernon Richards
“Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.” – Andre Servier, 1922
“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.”
“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any "social values" whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such "social values" today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do - that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.” – Theodore Roosevelt
"Of course, there are distinguished precedents even for the bleakest and coarsest of these judgements. To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam’s ‘destructive spirit’ spoke ‘only by the sword’; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a ‘wretched book’ in which he had ‘not been able to discover one single idea of value’; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was ‘deadly’, ‘to be feared’ and a ‘form of decadence’". – David Selbourne – The Losing Battle with Islam
Ayatollah Khomeini, from 1942:
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” - Ayatollah Khomeini
Največja napaka desetletja je bila narejena 4. novembra 2008
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Barakuda1 ::
Bistri, ti si pa res "bister" janez blond, ni kaj.
A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.
Sicer pa nisi nič odgovoril na mojo repliko na tvoje komentarje spornih delov SP.
Ja, sej te razumem. Resnica je sam tisto, kar tebi paše, a ne
A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.
Sicer pa nisi nič odgovoril na mojo repliko na tvoje komentarje spornih delov SP.
Ja, sej te razumem. Resnica je sam tisto, kar tebi paše, a ne
Bistri007 ::
Barakuda1, a ti hočeš moj komentar na spodnje? Ker kar se tiče citata o meču, sem ti že odgovoril nanj, in dal link na interpretacijo iz wiki (glej 11. stran te debate).
OK, kako ločiš resnico od laži, kar je bolj verjetno od manj verjetnega?
Najprej not vključiš svoje izkustvo, razum, logiko in dovoliš svobodno razpravo. Potem naj se pa vsak odloči, kot na volitvah, kak bo njegov svetovni nazor.
Prva značilnost nečesa resničnega pa je prav notranja koherentnost.
Citat od Bendekita XVI:
Islam ni nikoli šel čez razsvetljenstvo. In če bi šel, se bojim, da bi propadel kot hiša iz kart. Zato islamski kleriki (glej moj post na 11. strani te debate) tako nasprotujejo svobodi govora, ker lahko "celo" pripelje do apostazije. Res grozno...
Islam je groza od koherentnosti. Ni čudno, saj je bil njegov avtor nepismen in neizobražen človek. Islam nasprotuje razumu in logiki.
Jaz nikoli nisem trdil, da imamo kristjani monopol nad resnico. Pa krščanstvo ima na tisoče denominacij, ki se ne strinjajo "eye to eye" o vsem - tako, kot je nemogoče, da bi imelo tisoče neodvisnih firm (cerkva) "monopol" nad trgom (religijskim trgom). Od kod ti ta ideja? Prosim, da prilimaš citat in navedeš vir. Ker mislim, da je si te izjave napisal kar tako na pamet, ali pa iz gostilniških debat.
"Kdor tega ne sprejme in ne akceptira je sovražnik resnice in božje ljubezni." - Kje si pa to našel???
Barakuda1:
Pa jih daj prosim prilimaj v svoj naslednji post!
Ahaaa, že razumem.
"Mi" (kristjani torej) imamo monopol nad tem kaj je res in kaj ni. Imamo tudi monopol nad tem kaj je pravično in kaj ne. "Mi" tudi edini vemo kaj in kakšen je Bog, za razliko od Muslimanov, ki v Koranu slavijo ...kaj že?!? Ma sej i važno, oni tko pojma nimajo. "Mi" smo tisti, ki vemo kaj je res in kaj ne, ki slavimo in poveličujemo edinega pravega Boga, in pika. Kdor tega ne sprejme in ne akceptira je sovražnik resnice in božje ljubezni.
Ker imamo ta priviligiran monopol, je torej jasno, da ga smemo in moramo uveljavljati.
Če ne gre drugače pa z mečem mar ne.
Daj se no mal skuliraj. Resno.
OK, kako ločiš resnico od laži, kar je bolj verjetno od manj verjetnega?
Najprej not vključiš svoje izkustvo, razum, logiko in dovoliš svobodno razpravo. Potem naj se pa vsak odloči, kot na volitvah, kak bo njegov svetovni nazor.
Prva značilnost nečesa resničnega pa je prav notranja koherentnost.
Citat od Bendekita XVI:
From the beginning, Christianity has understood itself as the religion of the Logos, as the religion according to reason...It has always defined men, all men without distinction, as creatures and images of God, proclaiming for them...the same dignity. In this connection, the Enlightenment is of Christian origin and it is no accident that it was born precisely and exclusively in the realm of the Christian faith....It was and is the merit of the Enlightenment to have again proposed these original values of Christianity and of having given back to reason its own voice... Today, this should be precisely [Christianity's] philosophical strength, in so far as the problem is whether the world comes from the irrational, and reason is not other than a 'sub-product,' on occasion even harmful of its development—or whether the world comes from reason, and is, as a consequence, its criterion and goal...In the so necessary dialogue between secularists and Catholics, we Christians must be very careful to remain faithful to this fundamental line: to live a faith that comes from the Logos, from creative reason, and that, because of this, is also open to all that is truly rational.
Pope Benedict XVI @ Wikipedia
Islam ni nikoli šel čez razsvetljenstvo. In če bi šel, se bojim, da bi propadel kot hiša iz kart. Zato islamski kleriki (glej moj post na 11. strani te debate) tako nasprotujejo svobodi govora, ker lahko "celo" pripelje do apostazije. Res grozno...
Islam je groza od koherentnosti. Ni čudno, saj je bil njegov avtor nepismen in neizobražen človek. Islam nasprotuje razumu in logiki.
Jaz nikoli nisem trdil, da imamo kristjani monopol nad resnico. Pa krščanstvo ima na tisoče denominacij, ki se ne strinjajo "eye to eye" o vsem - tako, kot je nemogoče, da bi imelo tisoče neodvisnih firm (cerkva) "monopol" nad trgom (religijskim trgom). Od kod ti ta ideja? Prosim, da prilimaš citat in navedeš vir. Ker mislim, da je si te izjave napisal kar tako na pamet, ali pa iz gostilniških debat.
"Kdor tega ne sprejme in ne akceptira je sovražnik resnice in božje ljubezni." - Kje si pa to našel???
Barakuda1:
A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.
Pa jih daj prosim prilimaj v svoj naslednji post!
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Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
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TESKAn ::
Je sploh smiselno lepit karkoli v odgovor tebi, ko vse gladko ignoriraš? Npr. očitne neskladnosti v cerkvenih bukvah, podane na povezavi izpred parih strani? Ko isti pisec v isti knjigi nasprotuje samemu sebi?
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo,
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.
Barakuda1 ::
Islam ni nikoli šel čez razsvetljenstvo. In če bi šel, se bojim, da bi propadel kot hiša iz kart. Zato islamski kleriki (glej moj post na 11. strani te debate) tako nasprotujejo svobodi govora, ker lahko "celo" pripelje do apostazije. Res grozno...
Jaz nikoli nisem trdil, da imamo kristjani monopol nad resnico. Pa krščanstvo ima na tisoče denominacij, ki se ne strinjajo "eye to eye" o vsem - tako, kot je nemogoče, da bi imelo tisoče neodvisnih firm (cerkva) "monopol" nad trgom (religijskim trgom). Od kod ti ta ideja? Prosim, da prilimaš citat in navedeš vir. Ker mislim, da je si te izjave napisal kar tako na pamet, ali pa iz gostilniških debat.
Mislim, da je odgovor (na obe zastavljeni vprašanji) zajet kar v Svetem pismu samem; če si že tako neskončno želiš citatov.
Kako bi ti zdaj tale citat razlagal
18 Vsakomur, ki posluša preroške besede, ki so v tej knjigi, izjavljam: če bi jim kdo kaj dodal, ga bo Bog udaril z nadlogami, ki so opisane v tej knjigi. 19 Če pa bi kaj odvzel od besed, ki so v tej preroški knjigi, bo Bog odvzel njegov delež pri drevesu življenja in pri svetem mestu, ki sta opisani v tej knjigi.
Raz 22,6-21
***podčrtave so moje, zaradi lažjega razumevanja bistva
Toliko o tem, kako lahko izbiraš kot na volitvah in kako že Sveto pismo dobesedno ne zapoveduje monopola nad resnico. Pravzaprav lahko, sam pol so posledice jasne, a ne.
Kot vidiš, to piše v Svetem pismu in ne za šankom
Mislim, da bi bil čas, da sprevidiš, da toliko (ali pa še več) vprašljivih citatov iz Korana kot jih boš našel ti, bom jaz našel v Svetem pismu.
Ampak, da se razumemo. To nima smisla in ne vodi nikamor. To je le prilivanja olja na ogenj nestrpnosti. Edini namen, ki sem ga imel je le to, da tebi (in tebi podobnim) pokažem in dokažem, da je neresno in nesmiselno iskati napake le pri drugih.
Sicer pa, kako že piše v Svetem pismu (pred in po razsvetljenstvu)
o ljudeh, ki to počno
1. Mt 7,3
Kaj vendar gledaš iver v očesu svojega brata, bruna v svojem očesu pa ne opaziš?
2. Mt 7,4
Ali kako moreš reči svojemu bratu: Pusti, da vzamem iver iz tvojega očesa, če imaš sam bruno v očesu?
3. Mt 7,5
Hinavec, odstrani najprej bruno iz svojega očesa in potem boš razločno videl odstraniti iver iz očesa svojega brata.
4. Lk 6,41
Kaj vendar gledaš iver v očesu svojega brata, bruna v svojem očesu pa ne opaziš?
5. Lk 6,42
Kako moreš reči svojemu bratu: Pusti, brat, da vzamem iver, ki je v tvojem očesu, če sam ne vidiš bruna v svojem očesu? Hinavec, odstrani najprej bruno iz svojega očesa in potem boš razločno videl odstraniti iver, ki je v očesu tvojega brata.
Saladin ::
"A glede na to, da je nestrpnost temeljni kamen vseh religij, da je nestrpnost proti ateistom ali drugače verujočim nekaj običajnega, celo zapisanega v svetih sipsih in promoviranega, je težko kaj bolj strpnega za povedat."
Torej, če ti je sosed budala, nestrpen, prepirljiv,...., moraš še ti bit budala, nestrpen in prepirljiv, kajne?
Torej, če ti je sosed budala, nestrpen, prepirljiv,...., moraš še ti bit budala, nestrpen in prepirljiv, kajne?
Dobro je kar nosi največ svobodne koristi/najmanj bolečine čim več sentientom
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
T-h-o-r ::
To postaneš, če te sosed začne ogrožati.
Why have a civilization anymore
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
Saladin ::
To postaneš, če te sosed začne ogrožati.
To je že res.
Ampak njega "ogroža" že samo dejstvo, da je nekdo musliman, žid ali kristjan.
Dobro je kar nosi največ svobodne koristi/najmanj bolečine čim več sentientom
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
T-h-o-r ::
glede na pisanje bistrega007 bi težko rekel, da je "samo kristjan" 
Why have a civilization anymore
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
Thomas ::
Kaj? Pač piše kontra islamu, a je to prepovedano? Ste že uzakonili "hatespeach", levaki?
Niste še ... Pa ga tud ne boste.
Niste še ... Pa ga tud ne boste.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
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T-h-o-r ::
meni je čist ravno za islam
ampak, če je proti pripadnikom druge vere sposoben tako pisat, kaj bo šele rekel o nekomu, ki mu je vseeno za vero
v očeh vseh religioznih osebkov smo tisti, ki nas boli kurac najbolj obsojanja vredni
ampak, če je proti pripadnikom druge vere sposoben tako pisat, kaj bo šele rekel o nekomu, ki mu je vseeno za vero
v očeh vseh religioznih osebkov smo tisti, ki nas boli kurac najbolj obsojanja vredni
Why have a civilization anymore
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
Thomas ::
v očeh vseh religioznih osebkov smo tisti, ki nas boli kurac najbolj obsojanja vredni
True! Vsaj ponavadi. Ampak vsaj s smrtjo kristjani ne grozijo. Tudi zato jih ne prištevam med nevarne kulte, ampak med folkloro.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
zee ::
Grozijo ne zato, ker je RKC na precej močni verigi že več stoletij, česar za islam ni mogoče reči.
zee
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Giant Amazon and Google Compute Cloud in the Sky.
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Giant Amazon and Google Compute Cloud in the Sky.
Saladin ::
Grozijo ne zato, ker je RKC na precej močni verigi že več stoletij, česar za islam ni mogoče reči.
A da je zevoluirala naprej s časom (tako kot kultura na splošno) pa nima nobene veze s tem?
Pusti danes svobodo RKC-ju, pa boš dobil verski fundamentalizem? Vsaka religija je zlo, ko jo treba "vklenit"?
Ne razumem vas. Resno.
Kriminalizirajo se zločini in ekstremi - ne pa cela množica ljudi.
Pragmatizem zna tukaj biti večji zločin.
Dobro je kar nosi največ svobodne koristi/najmanj bolečine čim več sentientom
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
Thomas ::
Grozijo ne zato, ker je RKC na precej močni verigi že več stoletij, česar za islam ni mogoče reči.
Ni važno, zakaj ne grozijo in zakaj točno tudi ne ropajo bank.
Tega ne delajo, samo to me zanima.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Daedalus ::
Pusti danes svobodo RKC-ju, pa boš dobil verski fundamentalizem? Vsaka religija je zlo, ko jo treba "vklenit"?
True.
Ni važno, zakaj ne grozijo in zakaj točno tudi ne ropajo bank.
Če se že hočeš it primerjave, je važno. Ker edino tak lahko razumeš, da religija rabi ketno - drugače podivja.
True! Vsaj ponavadi. Ampak vsaj s smrtjo kristjani ne grozijo. Tudi zato jih ne prištevam med nevarne kulte, ampak med folkloro.
Heh, folklora. Katere center je subjekt mednarodnega prava, lastna država v državi. Jap, folklora, to bo. Politična organizacija in to ne z zanemarljivo močjo. Trejdajo Boga in odrešitev - tega pa ne gre zanemarjat. Ne bi naivkoti.
Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world,
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
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Thomas ::
Podivja vsaka ideologija. Tudi ateizem, navsezadnje. Ateizem se zelo hitro spremeni v nekakšno "prosvetljevanje" ki podira cerkve in džamije. Ali pa zgnije v kakšno Warmerstvo ali kaj takega, kot v nadomestno religioznost.
Such is the human kind nature.
Such is the human kind nature.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Saladin ::
Nekaj je zelo narobe, če morajo nereligiozni ljudje branit religijo pred neutemeljenimi napadi nanjo.
Dobro je kar nosi največ svobodne koristi/najmanj bolečine čim več sentientom
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
na najhitrejši, najvarnejši in najbolj moralen način za najdaljše obdobje.
"Utilitarianizem po Saladinovo"
Bistri007 ::
Barakuda1, tvoja obljuba od zadnjič...
Thomas:
Thomas, s tem se pa ne bi strinjal! Kaj pa je smisel nove evangelizacije??? Ali turnej "Crusade for Christ"?
Matej 16:
Mogoče je gornje grožnja s smrtjo??? Ampak v smislu: "vsak je odgovoren za svoja dejanja, in za posledice svojih dejanj". Kristus nikogar fizično ne sili, da mu mora slediti, pač pa ga skuša prepričati z močjo umskih, čustvenih in duhovnih argumentov. Krščanstvo je preveč subtilno, in se zaveda, da morajo v soglasju delovati telo, um in duša, da se lahko človek približa Bogu. Islam pa se po drugi strani osredotoča samo na telo (telovadba 5x na dan), prepoveduje umsko izpraševanje (uničuje um) ter s svojo nesvobodo duši dušo. Če hočemo postati kakor Kristus, moramo biti v prvi vrsti svobodni - ne pa biti Alahovi sužnji, ki telovadimo, kakor muzejin žvižga.
Barakuda1:
A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.
Pa jih daj prosim prilimaj v svoj naslednji post!
Thomas:
v očeh vseh religioznih osebkov smo tisti, ki nas boli kurac najbolj obsojanja vredni
True! Vsaj ponavadi. Ampak vsaj s smrtjo kristjani ne grozijo. Tudi zato jih ne prištevam med nevarne kulte, ampak med folkloro.
Thomas, s tem se pa ne bi strinjal! Kaj pa je smisel nove evangelizacije??? Ali turnej "Crusade for Christ"?
Matej 16:
24 Tedaj je Jezus rekel svojim učencem: »Če hoče kdo iti za menoj, naj se odpove sebi in vzame svoj križ ter hodi za menoj. 25 Kdor namreč hoče rešiti svoje življenje, ga bo izgubil; kdor pa izgubi svoje življenje zaradi mene, ga bo našel. 26 Kajti kaj koristi človeku, če si ves svet pridobi, svoje življenje pa zapravi? Ali kaj bo dal človek v zameno za svoje življenje? 27 Sin človekov bo namreč prišel v veličastvu svojega Očeta s svojimi angeli in takrat bo vsakemu povrnil po njegovem delu. 28 Resnično, povem vam: Nekateri od tukaj stoječih res ne bodo okusili smrti, dokler ne bodo videli Sina človekovega prihajati v njegovem kraljestvu.«
Mogoče je gornje grožnja s smrtjo??? Ampak v smislu: "vsak je odgovoren za svoja dejanja, in za posledice svojih dejanj". Kristus nikogar fizično ne sili, da mu mora slediti, pač pa ga skuša prepričati z močjo umskih, čustvenih in duhovnih argumentov. Krščanstvo je preveč subtilno, in se zaveda, da morajo v soglasju delovati telo, um in duša, da se lahko človek približa Bogu. Islam pa se po drugi strani osredotoča samo na telo (telovadba 5x na dan), prepoveduje umsko izpraševanje (uničuje um) ter s svojo nesvobodo duši dušo. Če hočemo postati kakor Kristus, moramo biti v prvi vrsti svobodni - ne pa biti Alahovi sužnji, ki telovadimo, kakor muzejin žvižga.
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Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Bistri007 ::
Barakuda1,
mislim, da je farfetch trditi, da je Raz 22, 18-19 osnova za "monopol kristjanov nad resnico", kot si se ti izrazil.
Raz 22, 18-19 Poleg tega je to še besedna igra - šibe & drevo...
Kako si že prišel iz tega citata iz Razodetja do
1. Mt 7,3
Kaj vendar gledaš iver v očesu svojega brata, bruna v svojem očesu pa ne opaziš?
Glede bruna: to se nanaša na človeka (posameznika), ne na ideologijo.
Tega tudi ne smeš ekstremno interpretirati: če nihče ni brez greha, potem nihče nima kaj govoriti proti zločincem in ukrepati proti njim. Ali pa če učitelj fizike ne ve vsega o fiziki, potem nima kaj učiti osnovnošolcev o fiziki. Ne gre to tako.
mislim, da je farfetch trditi, da je Raz 22, 18-19 osnova za "monopol kristjanov nad resnico", kot si se ti izrazil.
Raz 22, 18-19 Poleg tega je to še besedna igra - šibe & drevo...
Kako si že prišel iz tega citata iz Razodetja do
"Mi" (kristjani torej) imamo monopol nad tem kaj je res in kaj ni. Imamo tudi monopol nad tem kaj je pravično in kaj ne.???
1. Mt 7,3
Kaj vendar gledaš iver v očesu svojega brata, bruna v svojem očesu pa ne opaziš?
Glede bruna: to se nanaša na človeka (posameznika), ne na ideologijo.
Tega tudi ne smeš ekstremno interpretirati: če nihče ni brez greha, potem nihče nima kaj govoriti proti zločincem in ukrepati proti njim. Ali pa če učitelj fizike ne ve vsega o fiziki, potem nima kaj učiti osnovnošolcev o fiziki. Ne gre to tako.
Največja napaka desetletja je bila narejena 4. novembra 2008
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Bistri007 ::
Nekaj je zelo narobe, če morajo nereligiozni ljudje branit religijo pred neutemeljenimi napadi nanjo.
S-T Saladin, temu se reče svoboda govora. In svoboda vesti. Lepo in prav je, da se ljudje sprašujejo o temeljnih vprašanjih svojega obstoja. Neutemeljenega napada ni - vsak ima pravico spraševati. Spraševanje je nujno za zorenje duše. Gledalci tega napada pa bodo že presodili, ali je za tem napadom samo retorika in golo hotenje imeti svoj prav (partikularni interesi), ali pa je zadaj tudi substanca.
Kdor misli, da bo z možgansko lobotomijo prišel v raj, se ZELO ZELO MOTI!
Največja napaka desetletja je bila narejena 4. novembra 2008
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Barakuda1 ::
Glede bruna: to se nanaša na človeka (posameznika), ne na ideologijo.
Tega tudi ne smeš ekstremno interpretirati: če nihče ni brez greha, potem nihče nima kaj govoriti proti zločincem in ukrepati proti njim. Ali pa če učitelj fizike ne ve vsega o fiziki, potem nima kaj učiti osnovnošolcev o fiziki. Ne gre to tako.
Jasno, da ne gre, če tebi kaj ne paše.
Ti povem bistri janez blond, kaj ne gre.
Ne gre to, da imaš dvojna merila. To pa res ne gre.
p.s.
Še glede moje "obljube".
Nič ti jaz nisem obljubljal. Le jasno sem ti povedal, da v Svetem pismu mrgoli moralno etočno spornih citatov. Z lahkoto sem ti podal nekaj citatov, vsakokrat ko si se delal preveč bistrega, ter pozival naj podamo citat-e, (upajoč, da ga ni - bolje rečeno, da ga ne bomo znali najti) in z njim-mi ovrgel tvoj enostranski pristop in pogled.
Da pa bi s tem zapravljal čas, ko bom "hranil" tvoj nestrpn fundamentalističen ego še naprej, pa kar pozab.
Kdo je bil do sedaj v izvajanjih bolj koeksistenten, pa naj presodijo drugi.
o.k.
A še to. Tale link je izjemno koristen za tiste, ki Sveto pismo že tako ali tako poznajo in natačno vedo kaj iščejo, v nasprotnem se pa lahko orng "zaplezaš".
Tvoj pristop (predvsem iskanje skoraj vseh možni prevodov) pa kaže na to, da si izjemen manipulant.
Ko skušaš svoje spodletele poskuse skriti in prikriti tudi z različnostjo prevodov SP, se seveda te iste metode ne poslužuješ ko gre za Koran.
Zakaj že?
(mimogrede za tiste, ki ste topogledno nekoliko manj podkovani. V slovenskem jeziku dandanes velja kot eden boljših, se pravi ustreznejših prevodov Crskov prevod (CHR) iz leta 1914. Ta prevod uporabljajo predvsem evangeličani in protestantje. Dokaj dobro mnenje o samem prevodu, pa imajo tudi druge krščanske skupnosti. Nekoliko bolj zadržani do tega prevoda so le v RKC. Medtem, ko je Crstkov prevod kar lep čas igral dominatno vlogo v slovenskem slovstvu (prevoda Svetega pisma) na naših tleh, pa ga v krogih RKC nadomešča, oziroma ga je v celoti nadomestil takoimenovani Slovenski standardni prevod (SSP) iz leta 1997. Zakaj je pri nas težko zaslediti kritike tega prevoda, pa si tudi ni težko predstavljat, mar ne. Kljub vsemu pa SSP ne gre odrekati kvalitete in so pravzaprav razhajanja v prevedenem res tako minimalna, da služijo le za akademske razprave - predvsem glede teoloških vprašanj, za samo bistvo vere pa so nepomebne. Tudi sam osebno, ko ne gre za res strokovno poglobljene debate o nekem konkretnem teološkem vprašanju, pretežno uporabljam SSP)
HHmmm. Morda pa je vendarle nekaj na tvojem "samospoznanju", ko praviš Glede bruna: to se nanaša na človeka (posameznika),
No, če si že tako želiš toznačne interpretacije, tud prav.
Kako že pravi citat
Mt 7,5
Hinavec, odstrani najprej bruno iz svojega očesa in potem boš razločno videl odstraniti iver iz očesa svojega brata.
hhmmm, mrbit pa je čas za razmislek o spremebi nicka
Bistri007 ::
Barakuda1, pa kaj znaš ti prebrati kaj si napisal???
To si napisal kot odgovor na moje citate Winstona Churchilla, Theodora Roosevelta, Homeinija...
In kaj si mi ti podal kot odgovor? Citate iz Svetega Pisma!!! (ki se sicer po mojem mnenju ne nanašajo prav preveč na tematiko in izjave, ki jih hočeš s temi citati podkrepiti. Tisto z monopolom in Raz 22,18-19 si ga mimo pihnil)
"A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu." != "Svetem pismu mrgoli moralno etočno spornih citatov. Z lahkoto sem ti podal nekaj citatov, vsakokrat ko si se delal preveč bistrega..."
Pa kaj ti moram narisati črno na belem? Mene ne zanimajo navedki iz Svetega Pisma, pač pa iz kakršnekoli druge knjige, članka, wiki...
A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.
To si napisal kot odgovor na moje citate Winstona Churchilla, Theodora Roosevelta, Homeinija...
In kaj si mi ti podal kot odgovor? Citate iz Svetega Pisma!!! (ki se sicer po mojem mnenju ne nanašajo prav preveč na tematiko in izjave, ki jih hočeš s temi citati podkrepiti. Tisto z monopolom in Raz 22,18-19 si ga mimo pihnil)
Nič ti jaz nisem obljubljal. Le jasno sem ti povedal, da v Svetem pismu mrgoli moralno etočno spornih citatov. Z lahkoto sem ti podal nekaj citatov, vsakokrat ko si se delal preveč bistrega, ter pozival naj podamo citat-e, (upajoč, da ga ni - bolje rečeno, da ga ne bomo znali najti) in z njim-mi ovrgel tvoj enostranski pristop in pogled.
Da pa bi s tem zapravljal čas, ko bom "hranil" tvoj nestrpn fundamentalističen ego še naprej, pa kar pozab.
"A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu." != "Svetem pismu mrgoli moralno etočno spornih citatov. Z lahkoto sem ti podal nekaj citatov, vsakokrat ko si se delal preveč bistrega..."
Pa kaj ti moram narisati črno na belem? Mene ne zanimajo navedki iz Svetega Pisma, pač pa iz kakršnekoli druge knjige, članka, wiki...
Največja napaka desetletja je bila narejena 4. novembra 2008
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
djordjevic ::
Ko enkrat vidiš, koliko truda so pripravljeni ljudje vložiti v dokazovanje empirično nedokazljivega (face the music), ti kojci postane jasno, zakaj je naša država v takem kurcu.
Barakuda1 ::
Bistri007
Tvoje sprenevedanje pa sedaj presega vse meje dobrega okusa.
Ko praviš
In kaj si mi ti podal kot odgovor? Citate iz Svetega Pisma!!! (ki se sicer po mojem mnenju ne nanašajo prav preveč na tematiko in izjave, ki jih hočeš s temi citati podkrepiti. Tisto z monopolom in Raz 22,18-19 si ga mimo pihnil)
se dobesedno sprenevedaš, da je to moj odgovor na tvoj traktat Poslano: 13.04.2008 14:37:27
Na ta tvoj takrat si dobil povsem samostojen odgovor, takoj za tvojim traktatom (kot sledi v celoti - da se spet ne boš sprenevedal)
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Bistri, ti si pa res "bister" janez blond, ni kaj.
A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.
Sicer pa nisi nič odgovoril na mojo repliko na tvoje komentarje spornih delov SP.
Ja, sej te razumem. Resnica je sam tisto, kar tebi paše, a ne
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Tvoja trditev, da sem podal kot odgovor na tvoje traktate citate iz SP je torej čista laž in še ena v verigi manipulacij, ki se jih poslužuješ.
Sem ti pa citate iz SP res dal in sicer enkrat, ko si želel citate, kje v SP (vsaj v krščanstvu) bomo našli kaj kar je moralno spornega.
Želel si, dobil si (hoja za Jezusom)
Naslednjič pa si dobil citat iz SP, ko si trdil, da za razliko od Korana, krščanstvo dopušča svobodo razmišljanja. Bolje rečeno. Izjavil si takole
Jaz nikoli nisem trdil, da imamo kristjani monopol nad resnico. Pa krščanstvo ima na tisoče denominacij, ki se ne strinjajo "eye to eye" o vsem - tako, kot je nemogoče, da bi imelo tisoče neodvisnih firm (cerkva) "monopol" nad trgom (religijskim trgom). Od kod ti ta ideja? Prosim, da prilimaš citat in navedeš vir. Ker mislim, da je si te izjave napisal kar tako na pamet, ali pa iz gostilniških debat.
No, ko pa si dobil citate iz razodetja, kjer sem te postavil na spolska tla (bolje rečeno - s citatom iz SP dokazal, da klobasaš neumnosti), si očitno sprevidel, da si z opletanjem, kako je ena religiozna knjiga "instucija" slabega, nasproti drugi, ki je "dobra" zašel v slepo ulico, si se pa pričel sprenevedati in manipulirati.
Veš, za korektno debato se pričakuje najmanj dvoje.
Najprej določeno vedenje in znanje, predvsem pa korektnost in poštenost.
Po tvojem zadnjem postu, si upam odkrito reči, da če ne že obojega, najmanj slednjega nimaš niti trohice.
Debata s takšnim osebkom, pa pravzaprav pomeni, da bi se moral spustiti daleč pod nivo človeškega dostojanstva, česar pa ne bom storil. Tako daleč, se pa zaradi enega ekstremista in manipulanta, tudi pod razno ne bom spuščal.
Debata s tabo je tako (vsaj kar se mene tiče) zaključena.
Barakuda1 ::
Sam še replika na ta tvoj citat, pol pa res KONEC
Še en dokaz več, da si manipulant "par ekselens"
A se morda spomniš bistrega tipčka, ki je "lepil" citate iz prevodov Korana, ter z njimi dokazoval, kako da gre za krvoločno religijo. Zdaj pa ga to sploh ne zanima, pač pa sam kakršnekoli druge knjige, članka, wiki..
A da se ne?
Vrjamem. Težko se je spomniti lastnih grehov mar ne.
Zato tisti citati iz SP o hinavcu, ki išče npake pri drugih, ker jih ima sam preveč še kako pravilno kažejo tvoj karakter
HHmm, morda pa sem krivičen do tebe. Morda pa res želiš sam knjige, članka, wikikremo. Slednja ti še najbolj pristoji
Pa kaj ti moram narisati črno na belem? Mene ne zanimajo navedki iz Svetega Pisma, pač pa iz kakršnekoli druge knjige, članka, wiki...
Še en dokaz več, da si manipulant "par ekselens"
A se morda spomniš bistrega tipčka, ki je "lepil" citate iz prevodov Korana, ter z njimi dokazoval, kako da gre za krvoločno religijo. Zdaj pa ga to sploh ne zanima, pač pa sam kakršnekoli druge knjige, članka, wiki..
A da se ne?
Vrjamem. Težko se je spomniti lastnih grehov mar ne.
Zato tisti citati iz SP o hinavcu, ki išče npake pri drugih, ker jih ima sam preveč še kako pravilno kažejo tvoj karakter
HHmm, morda pa sem krivičen do tebe. Morda pa res želiš sam knjige, članka, wikikremo. Slednja ti še najbolj pristoji
poweroff ::
Hja, cel vikend nisem bral te teme, pa spet ugotavljam isto - tudi v Sloveniji kar mrgoli fundamentalizmov.
Na srečo jim okolje ne dovoljuje, da bi postali nasilni.
To je pač dosežek evropske civilizacije.
Na srečo jim okolje ne dovoljuje, da bi postali nasilni.
To je pač dosežek evropske civilizacije.
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Thomas ::
Žal to ni res. Mnogi fundiji v Evropi so nasilni. Ubijajo svoje kritike in karikaturiste in celo brez posledic obrezujejo deklice.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
poweroff ::
Thomas - govorim o evropski civilizaciji, ki je del kulture nekaterih. V glavnem so to Evropejci in tisti, ki so že dovolj integrirani v evropsko družbo.
Za reševanje problemov, ki jih delajo tisti, ki evropskih vrednot niso vsrkali, pa ima demokratična družba ustrezne mehanizme. V skladu s svojimi vrednotami in ne v skladu s fundamentalistično logiko nekaterih drugih držav.
Za reševanje problemov, ki jih delajo tisti, ki evropskih vrednot niso vsrkali, pa ima demokratična družba ustrezne mehanizme. V skladu s svojimi vrednotami in ne v skladu s fundamentalistično logiko nekaterih drugih držav.
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donfilipo ::
Saladin>>Nekaj je zelo narobe, če morajo nereligiozni ljudje branit religijo pred neutemeljenimi napadi nanjo.....
Ne bi ravno rekel. Ne podcenjuj nereligioznih. Ti so, vkolikor niso zapadli v 'večno opozicijo' in 'upor radi upora', v primeru potrebe, vedno odprtejši za najnovejše zakramente.
Vedno bolj sem prepričan, da je vera 'the last hope' in 'ultimate weapon', prav nereligioznim. Nekakšno tajno orožje, ki ga ne uporabljajo, v upanju, da neznanje ne bo ovira za boga, da bi doumel dobronamernost in pripadnost. Religiozni živijo in preučujejo rituale, ki so predpisani. Šolski material. Na videz zakon, a se vsaki generaciji pokaže, da je tretina stvari, ki so jih učili 'bullshit'. Nekateri teh scriptov, obredov in sporočil so čisto simpatični in v nekem času, kmečko koristni. In tudi če očitno niso, bister um obide časovno-prostorsko neadekvatnost, in jih razloži s preslikavo ( ta je včasih obratna:), vkolikor je primerno nagrajen. In študijska kondicija je lepa nagrada.....
Tudi ubijanje in zavojevanje ima v zgodovini povsem racionalne razlage. In če se gre pri tem lahko sklicevati na 'modrejše' in 'svetejše' osebe...je to priročno, kot učitelju geometrije aksiomi in izreki. Težava je le, da so aksiomi in izreki v življenju mnogo številčnejši, kot v matematiki...in seveda večina sploh niso aksiomi, pač pa napačne izpeljanke, v neprestanem konfliktu med sabo.
Delovanje takega sistema, se sicer zdi nemogoče, a nek hudič stalno skrbi, da zadeva deluje in človeštvo vseeno napreduje. Tako podobno deluje tudi evolucija. Napredek zaradi genskih napak in spretno uporabljene sile....in seveda...zadnjih par tisoč let, vzlet razvoja zaradi pravilnih analiz in spretne žlahte religije.......tehnologije, kulture, znanosti.
No, ravno ta tehnološki razvoj daje upanje, da nasilje in zagovarjanje tega, na bazi starih scriptov, nima več plodne podlage. Seveda, če je to sicer res, v precej razvitih državah, le-tja zahajajo tudi tiste manj razvite, a zato mnogo bolj plodne (pravzaprav manj kontracepcijsko zaščitene:). Kar se lahko zgodi je, da bo nasilnejša manj razvita civilizacija, na plan potegnila nasilje razvite civilizacije, kjer še zdaleč ni poteklo toliko časa, da bi katerakoli zverskih veščin zamrla. Nasprotno...celo moderno oborožila se je. A ne čisto dobro za vse oblike boja. In rezultat takega boja? Kdo ve?
Ja v rimu ni bilo najprej nikogar razen par idiotov,ki so občevali z ovcami in sklenili postaviti rim.....po grškem vzoru, potem so mislili, da so najboljši in nepremagljivi, na koncu so jih pohodili barbari, za katere so prej trdili, da občujejo z ovcami. In ti so na koncu naredili nov mnogo boljši in modernejši rim:)
Je pa treba razumeti nas, ki razvajeno trdimo, da nas ovce ne zanimajo in hočemo imeti mir, ko gledamo nesvete maše modernih ritualov. In se deremo že vnaprej, ko vidimo, da je sosed prodal ovco in kupil velik stereo z 12CD-ji Šabana:) Če pošteno pogledamo, to dretje ne bo zaustavilo zvočne invazije Šabana. Je pa povem naravno in razumljivo. Razen seveda, če ni nekdo predpisal, da je Šaban zakon!!! Potem pač začnemo moliti edinega in njegovo žlahto za armageddon in zasedanje pri vsevišnjem....če so scripti resnica, pa pri vsenižjem:)
Še nekaj velja pomisliti. Čisto praktično. Misel je sprožil Žižek. Vsakdanja štorija: a vi res verjamete v božička?...Ne.... ampak zaradi otrok....veste, saj razumete?... .in ko vprašamo otroke: a vi verjamete v božička?...Ne.... ampak, da tastari ne bodo užaljeni...veste, saj razumete?...... No Žižek je strupen in rad pretera. (in gifti se v dekadentnih rimih dobro prodajajo:) A v večini strupov je kanček zdravila. Tule? Fakt: če v družini ni vsaj enega, ki v božička ne verjame, potem božička, daril in božičnega vzdušja ni....razen po čudežu!!!! In seveda, če se ne bi bilo vere, da je božiček 'da best', potem tudi ne!
Ne bi ravno rekel. Ne podcenjuj nereligioznih. Ti so, vkolikor niso zapadli v 'večno opozicijo' in 'upor radi upora', v primeru potrebe, vedno odprtejši za najnovejše zakramente.
Vedno bolj sem prepričan, da je vera 'the last hope' in 'ultimate weapon', prav nereligioznim. Nekakšno tajno orožje, ki ga ne uporabljajo, v upanju, da neznanje ne bo ovira za boga, da bi doumel dobronamernost in pripadnost. Religiozni živijo in preučujejo rituale, ki so predpisani. Šolski material. Na videz zakon, a se vsaki generaciji pokaže, da je tretina stvari, ki so jih učili 'bullshit'. Nekateri teh scriptov, obredov in sporočil so čisto simpatični in v nekem času, kmečko koristni. In tudi če očitno niso, bister um obide časovno-prostorsko neadekvatnost, in jih razloži s preslikavo ( ta je včasih obratna:), vkolikor je primerno nagrajen. In študijska kondicija je lepa nagrada.....
Tudi ubijanje in zavojevanje ima v zgodovini povsem racionalne razlage. In če se gre pri tem lahko sklicevati na 'modrejše' in 'svetejše' osebe...je to priročno, kot učitelju geometrije aksiomi in izreki. Težava je le, da so aksiomi in izreki v življenju mnogo številčnejši, kot v matematiki...in seveda večina sploh niso aksiomi, pač pa napačne izpeljanke, v neprestanem konfliktu med sabo.
Delovanje takega sistema, se sicer zdi nemogoče, a nek hudič stalno skrbi, da zadeva deluje in človeštvo vseeno napreduje. Tako podobno deluje tudi evolucija. Napredek zaradi genskih napak in spretno uporabljene sile....in seveda...zadnjih par tisoč let, vzlet razvoja zaradi pravilnih analiz in spretne žlahte religije.......tehnologije, kulture, znanosti.
No, ravno ta tehnološki razvoj daje upanje, da nasilje in zagovarjanje tega, na bazi starih scriptov, nima več plodne podlage. Seveda, če je to sicer res, v precej razvitih državah, le-tja zahajajo tudi tiste manj razvite, a zato mnogo bolj plodne (pravzaprav manj kontracepcijsko zaščitene:). Kar se lahko zgodi je, da bo nasilnejša manj razvita civilizacija, na plan potegnila nasilje razvite civilizacije, kjer še zdaleč ni poteklo toliko časa, da bi katerakoli zverskih veščin zamrla. Nasprotno...celo moderno oborožila se je. A ne čisto dobro za vse oblike boja. In rezultat takega boja? Kdo ve?
Ja v rimu ni bilo najprej nikogar razen par idiotov,ki so občevali z ovcami in sklenili postaviti rim.....po grškem vzoru, potem so mislili, da so najboljši in nepremagljivi, na koncu so jih pohodili barbari, za katere so prej trdili, da občujejo z ovcami. In ti so na koncu naredili nov mnogo boljši in modernejši rim:)
Je pa treba razumeti nas, ki razvajeno trdimo, da nas ovce ne zanimajo in hočemo imeti mir, ko gledamo nesvete maše modernih ritualov. In se deremo že vnaprej, ko vidimo, da je sosed prodal ovco in kupil velik stereo z 12CD-ji Šabana:) Če pošteno pogledamo, to dretje ne bo zaustavilo zvočne invazije Šabana. Je pa povem naravno in razumljivo. Razen seveda, če ni nekdo predpisal, da je Šaban zakon!!! Potem pač začnemo moliti edinega in njegovo žlahto za armageddon in zasedanje pri vsevišnjem....če so scripti resnica, pa pri vsenižjem:)
Še nekaj velja pomisliti. Čisto praktično. Misel je sprožil Žižek. Vsakdanja štorija: a vi res verjamete v božička?...Ne.... ampak zaradi otrok....veste, saj razumete?... .in ko vprašamo otroke: a vi verjamete v božička?...Ne.... ampak, da tastari ne bodo užaljeni...veste, saj razumete?...... No Žižek je strupen in rad pretera. (in gifti se v dekadentnih rimih dobro prodajajo:) A v večini strupov je kanček zdravila. Tule? Fakt: če v družini ni vsaj enega, ki v božička ne verjame, potem božička, daril in božičnega vzdušja ni....razen po čudežu!!!! In seveda, če se ne bi bilo vere, da je božiček 'da best', potem tudi ne!
In times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth
becomes revolutionary act. Orwell
becomes revolutionary act. Orwell
poweroff ::
Tisti, ki branijo/mo vero v resnici branimo svobodo veroizpovedi. Klasično liberalno načelo: vsak lahko počne kar želi, če le ne posega v pravice drugih.
Zato liberalci (ne nas zamenjevat z nekakšnim LDSom) zagovarjamo pravico rimokatilokov, islamistov, budistov... da verujej v kar pač želijo. Le da niso nasilni.
Če imamo mnenje, da so religije zgrešene, ali pa če ga nimamo - to je povsem nepovezano s pravico do veroizpovedi.
Zato liberalci (ne nas zamenjevat z nekakšnim LDSom) zagovarjamo pravico rimokatilokov, islamistov, budistov... da verujej v kar pač želijo. Le da niso nasilni.
Če imamo mnenje, da so religije zgrešene, ali pa če ga nimamo - to je povsem nepovezano s pravico do veroizpovedi.
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Bistri007 ::
1. Barakuda1>A ti misliš, da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.
Gospod moderator, "znani in ugledni" se pojavlja samo v mojem postu 13.04.2008 14:37:27 - in v nobenem drugem postu na 12 ali 11 strani.
In ne, g. moderator, menim “da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.” - ker:
a) se ti ne da,
b) ne znaš,
c) nočeš,
d) jih ni.
1:0 zame.
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2. Barakuda1>No, ko pa si dobil citate iz razodetja, kjer sem te postavil na spolska tla (bolje rečeno - s citatom iz SP dokazal, da klobasaš neumnosti), si očitno sprevidel, da si z opletanjem, kako je ena religiozna knjiga "instucija" slabega, nasproti drugi, ki je "dobra" zašel v slepo ulico, si se pa pričel sprenevedati in manipulirati.
Kot sem že prej napisal:
Jaz sem te že na začetku pozval: "Od kod ti ta ideja? Prosim, da prilimaš citat in navedeš vir. Ker mislim, da je si te izjave napisal kar tako na pamet, ali pa iz gostilniških debat."? In z virom seveda nisem mislil citata iz Sv. Pisma, pač pa interpretacijo s strani teologov, filozofov, sociologov religije... Pa je spet nisi našel, ker:
a) se ti ne da,
b) ne znaš,
c) nočeš,
d) ga ni.
2:0 zame.
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3. Barakuda1>"Kdor tega ne sprejme in ne akceptira je sovražnik resnice in božje ljubezni." - Kje si pa to našel??? Tudi na to vprašanje nisi odgovoril, ker literature, ki bi podkrepila tvojo izjavo, spet nisi našel, ker:
a) se ti ne da,
b) ne znaš,
c) nočeš,
d) je ni.
3:0 zame.
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Barakuda1, moderator, je 13.04.2008 17:58:56 poslal sporočilo z vsebino:
Mislim, da bi bil čas, da sprevidiš, da toliko (ali pa še več) vprašljivih citatov iz Korana kot jih boš našel ti, bom jaz našel v Svetem pismu.
No, prav. Te bom držal za besedo. Čeprav dvomim, da ti to bo uspelo, saj namreč dobro poznam obe knjigi...
(citati so iz Korana in sune; brez sune je Koran nerazumljiv)
O ženskah
Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
Tabari I:280 "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Qur'an 4:3 "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."
Qur'an 4:11 "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."
Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"
Muslim:B1N142 "'O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.' A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah's Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: 'You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.' Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, 'Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.'"
Qur'an 4:43 "Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving." [The Qur'an claims women are unclean and polluted - worse than dirt.]
Bukhari:V4B55N547 "The Prophet said, 'But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.'"
Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."
Qur'an 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them."
Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N524 "The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
Ishaq:593 "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another."
Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"
Ishaq:584 "Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman."
Ishaq:185 "In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards."
Qur'an 24:31 "Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands..."
Qur'an 24:34 "Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here's the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving."
Ishaq:469 "The Apostle said, 'Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa'd.'"
Tabari VIII:62
Ishaq:496 "Ali [Muhammad's adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, 'Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.'"
Ishaq:496 "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
Qur'an 24:1 "(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
Qur'an 24:6 "And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth."
O umorih
Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."
Tabari VIII:141 "The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'"
Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Ishaq:489 "Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing."
Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."
Bukhari:V4B52N270 "Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.' Maslama got up saying, 'Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet proclaimed, 'Yes.' Maslama said, 'Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.' Muhammad said, 'You may do so.'"
Ishaq:368 "Ka'b's body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet."
Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:368 "We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'"
Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, 'Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"
Ishaq:369 "Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim's brother complained, saying, 'Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, 'By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, 'Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!' And he accepted Islam."
Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
Ishaq: 676 "'You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?' Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, 'Will no one rid me of this woman?' Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, 'You have helped Allah and His Apostle.' Umayr said. 'She had five sons; should I feel guilty?' 'No,' the Prophet answered. 'Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'"
Bukhari:V1B11N626 "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.'"
Tabari VIII:178
Ishaq:550 "Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka'aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa'd [the Qur'an's one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah's Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam]."
Tabari VIII:179 "Abdallah bin Sa'd fled to Uthman, his brother, who after hiding him, finally surrendered him to the Prophet. Uthman asked for clemency. Muhammad did not respond, remaining silent for a long time. Muhammad explained, 'By Allah, I kept silent so that one of you might go up to him and cut off his head!' One of the Ansar said, 'Why didn't you give me a sign?' Allah's Apostle replied, 'A prophet does not kill by pointing.'"
Tabari VIII:179
Ishaq:550 "Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his.... His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa'id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her."
Ishaq:551 "Another victim was Huwayrith. He used to insult Muhammad in Mecca. Huwayrith was put to death by Ali. The Messenger ordered Miqyas' assassination only because he had killed an Ansar who had killed his brother by mistake and then became a renegade by rejecting Islam."
Tabari VIII:180 "Also among those eliminated were Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl and Sarah, a slave of one of Abd Muttalib's sons. She taunted Muhammad while he was in Mecca."
Tabari VIII:181 "The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim."
Bukhari:V4B52N281 "They took Khubaib to Mecca after the battle of Badr. He had killed Harith, a Meccan nobleman. The Quraysh gathered to kill him in retribution.... Khubaib wanted to offer two Rakat (prayers). They allowed this and he said, 'O Allah, kill them all with no exception.' He then recited the poetic verse: 'I'm being martyred as a Muslim. I do not mind how I am killed in Allah's Cause. For my killing is for Allah's Sake. If Allah wishes, He will bless the amputated parts of my torn body.' Then the son of Harith [the man Khubaib had murdered] killed him."
Ishaq:597 "When the Apostle returned to Medina after his raid on Ta'if, word spread that he had killed some of the men who had satirized and insulted him. The poets who were left spread in all directions."
Tabari IX:76 "Malik has reported to me that you were the first from Himyar to embrace Islam and that you have killed infidels, so rejoice at your good fortune."
Tabari IX:121 "When it was feasible for me, I struck him with my sword and killed him. Then I departed, leaving his women to throw themselves at him. When I returned to the Prophet, he asked, 'Is your mission accomplished?' 'Yes. I have killed him.'"
Ishaq:308
Tabari VII:65 "When the Apostle was in Safra, Nadr was assassinated. When Muhammad reached Irq al-Zabyah he killed Uqbah. When the Prophet ordered him to be killed, Uqbah said, 'Who will look after my children, Muhammad?' "Hellfire,' the Apostle replied, and he was killed."
Tabari VII:85 "Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr."
Tabari VII:99 "In this year, the killing of Abu Rafi the Jew took place. The Messenger sent some Ansar under the command of Abd Allah and Abd Allah against the Jew. Abu Rafi used to injure and wrong the Prophet.... Abd Allah said to the others, 'Stay where you are, and I will go and ingratiate myself with the doorkeeper to gain entrance.'"
Tabari VII:100 "Every time I opened a door, I shut it behind me from the inside, saying to myself, 'If they become aware, they will not have time to stop me from killing him.' When I reached Rafi, he was in a dark room with his family. As I did not know where he was in the room, I said, 'O Abu Rafi.' When he replied, I proceeded toward the voice and gave him a blow with my sword. He shouted and I came back, pretending to be a helper. I said, 'O Abu,' changing the tone of my voice. He asked me, 'I don't know who came to strike me with his sword.' Then I drove my sword into his belly and pushed it forcibly till it touched the bone. I hit him again and covered him with wounds, but I could not kill him, so I thrust the point of my sword into his stomach until it came out through his back. At that, I knew that I had killed him [in front of his wife and children]. I came out, filled with puzzlement, and went towards a ladder in order to get down but I fell into a moonlit night and sprained my foot. I bound it with my turban and moved on. I came to my companions and said, 'By Allah, I will not leave till I hear the wailing of their women.' So, I did not move till I heard them crying for the Jewish merchant. I said, 'Deliverance! Allah has killed Abu Rafi.' I got up, feeling no ailment, and proceeded till we came upon the Prophet and informed him."
Tabari VII:101 "The Khazraj asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam Huqayq, who was in Khaybar. He granted this."
Ishaq:482 "One of the favors which Allah conferred upon his Prophet was that these two tribes of the Ansar, the Aws and the Khazraj, used to vie with one another like stallions to carry out the will of Muhammad. The Aws did not do anything which benefited him without the Khazraj saying, 'By Allah they will not gain superiority over us in Islam in the eyes of the Messenger by doing this.' And they would not cease until they had done something similar. Thus when the Aws killed Ka'b Ashraf on account of his hostility to Muhammad, the Khazraj conferred to find a man comparable to Ka'b in hostility and called to mind Sallam Huqayq in Khaybar. They asked the Prophet for permission to kill him, and it was granted."
Tabari VII:101
Ishaq:483 "Sallam's wife came out and we told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. When we entered, we bolted the door on her so she gave a shout to warn him of our presence. We rushed upon him with our swords as he lay in his bed. He took his pillow and tried to fend us off. Abd Allah thrust his sword into his stomach and transfixed him while he was shouting, 'Enough! Enough!' At once we went out but Abd Allah had bad eyesight, and he fell off the stairway, bruising his leg or arm. 'How shall we know that the enemy of Allah is dead?' one of us asked. 'I will go and look,' one replied. He set off and mingled with the people. He said, 'I found him with the men of the Jews, and with his wife, who had a lamp in her hand, peering into his face. She said, 'By the God of the Jews, he is dead.' I never heard any more pleasing words than these. We went to the Messenger of Allah and told him that we had killed the enemy of Allah. We disagreed in his presence about the killing of Sallam, each of us claiming to have done it. The Prophet said, 'Bring me your swords.' We did and he looked at them. He said, 'This sword of Abd Allah killed him. I can see the marks left by bones on it.'"
Ishaq:483 "Allah, what a fine band you have, one willing to kill Sallam and Ashraf! We went with sharp swords, like fighting lions. We came upon their homes and made them drink death with our swift-slaying swords. Looking for the victory of our Prophet's religion, we ignored every risk."
Tabari VII:112
Ishaq:372 "When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, 'Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!' I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, 'If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.' Sa'd rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew's head open."
Ishaq:403 "Allah killed twenty-two polytheists at Uhud."
Tabari VII:147 "Amr was sent by Muhammad to kill Abu Sufyan [the Quraysh leader and merchant]. The Prophet said, 'Go to Abu Sufyan and kill him.' ...When I entered Mecca I had a dagger ready to slay anybody who laid hold of me. My Ansar companion asked, 'Should we start by circumambulating the Ka'aba seven times and praying two rak'ahs?' I said, 'I know the Meccans better than you do.' But he kept pestering me until in the end we went to the Ka'aba, circumambulated it seven times, and prayed."
Tabari VII:148 "One of the Meccans recognized me and shouted, 'That is Amr!' They rushed after us, saying, 'By Allah, Amr has not come here for any good purpose! He has come for some evil reason.' Amr had been a cutthroat and a desperado before accepting Islam."
Tabari VII:148 "Amr said, 'Let's wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, 'If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.' So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, 'By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.' The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away."
Tabari VII:149 "I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, 'Who's there?' I said [lied], 'I'm a Banu Bakr.' 'So am I.' Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: 'I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.' I said, 'You will soon see!' Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad."
Tabari VII:150 "I had tied my prisoner's thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. 'Well done!' he said, and prayed for me to be blessed."
Ishaq:434 "Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, 'You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.'"
Tabari VIII:22 "Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans' throats. So I said: 'Hassan, this Jew is walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him."
Tabari VIII:22
Ishaq:458 "'Allah forgive you, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib,' Hassan said. 'You know that I am not the man to do it.' When he said that to me I saw that nothing could be expected from him. I girded myself, took a club, and, having gone down from the fortress to the man, I struck him with the club until I killed him. When I had finished with him, I returned to the fortress and said, 'Hassan, go down to him and strip him - only his being a man kept me from taking his clothes.' Hassan replied, 'I have no need for his spoils.'"
Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."
Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Tabari VIII:90 "Abu Basir went out with his companions. When they stopped to rest he asked one of them, 'Is this sword of yours sharp?' 'Yes,' he replied. 'May I look at it?' Basir asked. 'If you wish.' Basir unsheathed the sword, attacked the man, and killed him. The other Muslim ran back to the Messenger, saying, 'Your Companion has killed my friend.' While the man was still there, Abu Basir appeared girded with the sword. He halted before Muhammad and said, 'Messenger, your obligation has been discharged.'"
Mohamedove modrosti
Bukhari:V6B61N550 "The Prophet said, 'It is a bad thing some of you say,"I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an." For truly, I have been caused by Allah to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes faster than a runaway camel.'"
Tabari I:299 "Scholars of the nation of our Prophet say, 'The tree which Allah forbade Adam and his spouse to eat was wheat.'"
Tabari I:321 "When Eve became heavy with her first pregnancy, Satan came to her before she gave birth and said, 'Eve, what is that in your womb?' She said, 'I do not know.' He asked, 'Where will it come out from-your nose, your eye, or your ear?' She replied, 'I do not know.'"
Tabari I:299 "It was the cover of fingernails that had kept their secret parts concealed."
Tabari I:275 "Satan wanted to meet them in Paradise, but the keepers prevented him from entering. He went to a snake, an animal with four feet like a camel. Satan tried to persuade it to let him enter its mouth and take him to Adam. The snake agreed, passed by the keepers, and entered without their knowledge, because that was Allah's plan."
Tabari I:278 "Adam went inside the tree to hide. Eve cut the tree and it bled. Then feather that covered Adam and Eve dropped off. So Allah said, 'Now Eve, as you caused the tree to bleed, you will bleed every new moon, and you, snake, I will cut off your feet and you will walk slithering on your face.'"
Tabari I:279 "It was a tree which made whoever ate from it defecate. But there must be no faeces in Paradise."
Tabari I:281 "I heard him swear by Allah unequivocally, 'As long as Adam was in his right mind, he would never have eaten from the tree. Eve gave him wine and got him drunk. She led him to the tree."
Tabari I:267 "And Allah taught Adam all the names as follows: He taught him the name of everything, down to fart and little fart."
Bukhari:V1B4N137 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The prayer of a person who does Hadath (passes urine, stool or wind) is not accepted till he performs ablution.'"
Bukhari:V1B4N139 "I asked Allah's Apostle about a person who imagined they passed wind during prayer. He replied: 'He should not leave his prayer unless he hears sound or smells something.'"
Mučenje
Qur'an 5:33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly."
Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515 "The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."
Bukhari:V4B54N487 "The Prophet said, 'The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.' So someone said, 'Allah's Apostle, wouldn't this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?'"
Bukhari:V4B52N260 "Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, 'Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, "Don't punish with Allah's Punishment." No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, "If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him."'"
Qur'an 48:27 "If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture."
Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."
Qur'an 5:37 "The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture."
Tabari IX:6 "The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, 'We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now."
Ishaq:595 "The Apostle said, 'Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.'"
Ishaq:312 "Umar said to the Apostle, 'Let me pull out Suhayl's two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.'"
Ishaq:316 "Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive."
Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Tabari VII:133
Ishaq:387 "When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, 'If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!' When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, 'By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody."
Tabari VIII:96 "A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm's daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm's daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him."
O Judih
Qur'an 2:61 "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath."
Qur'an 4:44 "Have you not considered those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They traffic in error and desire that you should go astray. But Allah has full knowledge of your enemies. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, saying, 'We hear and we disobey' with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith.... Allah has cursed them for disbelief."
Qur'an 4:47 "O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed."
Qur'an 4:160 "For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) in that they hindered many from Allah's Way, that they took usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men's wealth on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject [Islamic] Faith a painful doom."
Qur'an 5:59 "Say: 'People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?' Say: 'Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine."
Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."
Ishaq:240 "The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people."
Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
Ishaq:250 "The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes, despised."
Qur'an 59:14 "The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell."
Ishaq:254
Qur'an 2:96 "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful thing that awaits them."
Qur'an 4:55 "Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!"
Qur'an 88:1 "Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring."
Tabari VIII:116 "After his return from Hudaybiyah, Allah's Messenger marched against Khaybar. He halted with his army in a valley between the people of Khaybar and the Ghatafan tribe to prevent the latter from assisting the Jews."
Ishaq:264 "A notable Jew spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue. He attacked Islam and reviled it, so Allah sent down, 'Allah knows best about your enemies. Some of the Jews change words from their contexts and say: "We hear and disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the religion so Allah cursed them.'"
Tabari VIII:121 "Ali struck the Jew with a swift blow that split his helmet, neck protector, and head, landing in his rear teeth. And the Muslims entered the city. Muhammad conquered the [Jewish] neighborhood. Safiyah was brought to him, and another woman with her. Bilal led them past some of the Jews we had slain including the woman's dead husband. When she saw them, the woman with Safiyah cried out, slapped her face, and poured dust on her head. When Allah's Prophet saw her, he said, 'Take this she-devil away from me!'"
Bukhari:V4B53N380 "Umar expelled all the Jews and Christians from Arabia. Allah's Apostle after conquering Khaybar thought of expelling the Jews from the land which, after he conquered it, belonged to Allah, Allah's Apostle and the Muslims. But the Jews requested Allah's Apostle to leave them there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits (the land would yield). Allah's Apostle said, 'We shall keep you on these terms as long as we wish.' Thus they stayed till the time of Umar's Caliphate when he expelled them."
Tabari VIII:130 "The Messenger said during his final illness, 'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: 'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
Ishaq:517 "Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle's squadron, fully armed, powerful, and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust."
Ishaq:524 "We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they swear falsely."
Qur'an 59:14 "They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships. Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense."
Ishaq:245 "Do you love Jews and their religion, you liver-hearted ass, and not Muhammad? Their religion will never march with ours.... Jews make false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: 'Satan wishes to lead them astray."
Ishaq:248 "Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, 'They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.'"
Tabari VII:158 "The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir Jews for fifteen days. In the end they made peace with him on the condition that the Prophet would not shed their blood and that their property and possessions would be his."
Qur'an 5:13 "But because of their breach of their covenant We cursed the Jews, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places [the illiterate prophet pronounced] and forget and abandon a good part of the message that was sent them. Nor will you cease to find deceit in them. And because of their breaking their covenant We have cursed them. They altered words from their context and they neglected a portion of the message they were reminded of."
Qur'an 5:41 "Or it be among the Jews, men who will listen to any lie. They change the context of the words from their (right) times and places.... For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.""
Qur'an 5:42 "They are fond of listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden; they are greedy for illicit gain!"
Qur'an 5:44 "It was We who revealed the Torah. By its standard the prophets judged the Jews, and the prophets bowed (in Islam) to Allah's will, surrendering. For the rabbis and priests: to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Scripture Book; they were witnesses of it. Therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My revelations for a miserable price."
Qur'an 5:64 "The Jews say: 'Allah's hands are fettered.' Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the blasphemy they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched, giving [Muslims Jewish booty] as He pleases. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Doom. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah does extinguish it. But they strive to do mischief on earth."
Qur'an 98:1 "Those among the People of the Book, who disbelieve and are idolaters, would never have been freed from their false religion if the Clear Proofs had not come to them. An Apostle of Allah came reading out of hallowed pages.... They were commanded to serve Allah exclusively, fulfilling their devotional obligations, and paying the zakat. Surely the unbelievers and idolaters from the People of the Book will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures."
Qur'an 5:78 "Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled."
Qur'an 5:80 "You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide."
Qur'an 5:81 "If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had been revealed to him."
Qur'an 5:82 "You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims."
Ishaq:262 "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse."
Qur'an 2:59 "We sent a plague upon the Jews from heaven, for their evil-doing."
Bukhari:V4B56N679 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'"
Bukhari:V2B23N457 "The Prophet went out after sunset and heard a dreadful voice. He said, 'The Jews are being punished in their graves.'"
Qur'an 17:7 "We shall rouse Our (Muslim) slaves to shame and ravage you (Jews), disfiguring your faces. They will enter the Temple as before and destroy, laying to waste all that they conquer."
Bukhari:V1B4N147 "People say, 'Whenever you sit for answering the call of nature, you should not face the Qiblah of Jerusalem.' I told them. 'Once I went up the roof of our house and I saw Allah's Apostle answering the call of nature while sitting on two bricks facing Jerusalem."
Ishaq:239 "About this time Jewish rabbis showed hostility to the Apostle in envy, hatred, and malice, because Allah had chosen His Apostle from the Arabs. The Jews considered the Prophet a liar and strove against Islam."
Ishaq:239 "Jewish rabbis used to annoy the Apostle with questions, introducing confusion." "Qur'ans used to come down in reference to their questions."
Ishaq:240 "Labid bewitched Allah's Apostle so that he could not come at his wives. These Jewish rabbis opposed the apostle, they asked questions and stirred up trouble against Islam trying to extinguish it."
Ishaq:240 "I concealed the matter from the Jews and then went to the Apostle and said, 'The Jews are a nation of liars and I want you to give me a house and hide me from them. If they learn I've become a Muslim, they'll utter slanderous lies against me.' So the prophet gave me a house, and when the Jews came, I emerged and said, 'O Jews, fear Allah and accept what He has sent you. For you know that he is the Apostle of Allah. You will find him described in your Torah and even named.' They accused me of lying and reviled me. I told Muhammad, 'The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.'"
Ishaq:241 "Mukhayriq was a learned rabbi owning much property in date palms. He recognized the Apostle by his description and felt a predilection for his religion. He violated the Sabbath to fight on behalf of Islam and was killed in battle. I am told the Prophet used to say, 'Mukhayriq is the best of the Jews [a dead one].' The Apostle took his property."
Ishaq:242 "Julas the Jew used to say, 'If Muhammad is right we are worse than donkeys.' Allah sent down concerning him: 'They swear that they did not say it, when they did say the words of unbelief.... Allah will afflict them with a painful punishment in this world and in the next.' [Qur'an 9:75] Ishaq:242 "The Apostle ordered Umar to kill him, but he escaped to Mecca."
Ishaq:246 "The surah of the Hypocrites came down because some men sent secret messages to the Nadir Jews when the Apostle besieged them.... Allah bears witness that they are liars. Like Satan when he says to men, "Disbelieve."' [59:11]
Qur'an 59:14 "They are a divided people devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so both of them will end up in Hell."
Qur'an 59:2 "It was He [Allah] who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their [Medina] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. You did not think that they would go away. And they imagined that their settlement would protect them against Allah. But Allah's [actually Muhammad's] (torment) came at them from where they did not suspect and terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson O men who have eyes. This is My warning. Had Allah not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them into the desert, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the next they shall taste the torment of Hell Fire."
Ishaq:251 "Moses commanded them to prostrate themselves and his Lord spoke to him and they heard His voice giving them commands and prohibitions so that they understood what they heard. But when Moses went back to the Jews a party of them changed the Commandments they had been given." [2:75]
Ishaq:252 "Have you no understanding? Why do you maintain that he is not a prophet since you know that Allah has made a Covenant with you that you should follow him? While he tells you that he is the prophet whom you are expecting, and that you will find him in Our book, you oppose him and do not recognize him. You reject his prophethood on mere opinion."
Ishaq:253 "Allah cursed them for their unbelief. When a scripture comes to them from Allah confirming what they already have, they deny it. Allah's curse is on them."
Ishaq:254 "In the pagan era the Jews were scripture folk and we were pagans. They used to say, 'Soon a prophet will be sent whom we shall follow.' When Allah sent his Apostle from the Quraysh and we followed him they denied him. Allah revealed, 'When there comes to him one they recognize, they deny him. They are wretched, so Allah cursed them, and He will give them a shameful punishment.' The double anger is His wrath because they have disregarded the Torah and anger because they disbelieved in this Prophet whom Allah has sent to them." [2:89]
Ishaq:254 "Long for death [Jews], if you are truthful. Pray that God will kill whichever one of us is the most false. The Jews refused the Prophet's dare." "Allah said to His Prophet, 'They will never accept your dare because of their past deeds. But they recognize you from the knowledge they have. Yet they deny. Had they accepted your dare, not a single Jew would have remained alive on the earth." [2:94]
Ishaq:254 "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. The Jew knows the shameful thing that awaits him in the next life because he has wasted the knowledge he has." [2:96]
Ishaq:255 "Jewish rabbis came to the Apostle and asked him to answer four questions saying, 'If you do so we will follow you, testify to your truth, and believe in you.' They began, 'Why does a boy resemble his mother when the semen comes from the father?' Muhammad replied, 'Do you not know that a man's semen is white and thick and a woman's is yellow and thin? The likeness goes with that which comes to the top.' 'Agreed,' the rabbis proclaimed.... The rabbis said. 'But Muhammad, your spirit is an enemy to us, an angel who comes only with violence and the shedding of blood, and were it not for that we would follow you."
Ishaq:255 "So Allah sent down concerning them: 'When the Apostle comes to them from Allah confirming that which they have received in scripture, they put it behind their backs as if they did not know it. They follow that which Satan read concerning the kingdom of Solomon - sorcery.' One of the rabbis said, 'Don't you wonder at Muhammad? He alleges that Solomon was a prophet, and yet he was nothing but a sorcerer.' So Allah sent down, 'Solomon did not disbelieve but Satan did, practicing sorcery.'" [2:101]
Ishaq:256 "The Apostle wrote a letter to the Jews of Khaybar [before he annihilated them]. In the name of Allah, from Muhammad the Apostle of Allah, friend and brother of Moses who confirms what Moses brought [the Torah]. Allah says to you, 'O Scripture folk, and you will find it in your scripture "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those with him are severe against the unbelievers. You see them bowing, falling prostrate, seeking bounty, and acceptance. The mark of their prostrations is on their foreheads." That is their likeness in the Torah and in the Gospels.'"
Ishaq:256 "The Jews used to ask Muhammad questions which annoyed and confused him." Ishaq:257 "Your situation seems obscure to us, Muhammad."
Ishaq:257 "'O Jews, fear Allah and submit, for you used to hope for the Messiah's help against the Arabs when we were pagans. You told us that he would be sent and then told us about him.' A Jew responded, 'Muhammad has not shown us anything we recognize as prophetic. He is not the one we spoke to you about.' So Allah revealed, 'We confirmed what they had, and We sent one they recognized, but they rejected him so We are cursing them.' The Jews replied, 'No Covenant was ever made with us about Muhammad.'" "'Muhammad, you have not brought anything we recognize. And God has not sent down any sign or miracle suggesting that we should believe you.' So Allah said, 'We have sent down to you plain signs and only evildoers disbelieve them.'"
Ishaq:257 "The Jews told Allah's Messenger, 'Bring us a book. Bring us something down from heaven that we might read it.'"
Ishaq:258 "The Jews used to turn men away from Islam. So Allah said, 'Many Scripture folk wish to make you unbelievers after you have believed. They are envious. Be indulgent until Allah gives you his orders [to rob them, rape them, sell them into slavery, and murder them.]"
Ishaq:262 "Some Muslims remained friends with Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse." "You believe in their Book [though you don't have a clue what it says] while they deny your book, so you have more right to hate them than they have to hate you."
Ishaq:263 "Abu Bakr went into a Jewish school [there is no mention of him ever going into a Muslim school] and found many pupils gathered around Finhas, a learned rabbi. Bakr told the Jews to fear Allah and submit. He told them that they would find that Muhammad was an Apostle written in the Torah and Gospels. Finhas replied, 'Why does your god ask us to lend him money as your master pretends.' Abu was enraged and hit Finhas hard in the face [for telling the truth]. Were it not for the treaty between us I would cut off your head, you enemy of Allah. So Allah said, 'They will taste Our punishment of burning.'"
Ishaq:264 "Allah revealed concerning Finhas and the other rabbis: 'Allah issued orders to those who had received the Book: 'You are to make it clear to men and not conceal it, yet they cast the Torah behind their backs and sold it for a small price. Wretched was their exchange. They will therefore receive a painful punishment.'"
Ishaq:264 "The Torah confirms what Muhammad brought. Rifa'a, a notable Jew, spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue: 'Give us your attention, Muhammad, so that we can make you understand.' Then he attacked Islam and reviled it. So Allah sent down, 'Allah knows about your enemies. Some Jews change words from their contexts and say: "We hear and disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the religion. But Allah cursed them.'" [2:59 & 4:47]
Ishaq:264 "The Jewish rabbis knew that Muhammad had brought them the truth, but they denied that they knew it. They were obstinate. So Allah revealed, 'People of the Book, believe in what we have sent down in confirmation of what you had been given before or We will efface your features and turn your face into your ass, cursing you.'"
Ishaq:269 "'Tell us when the Day of Doom will be, Muhammad, if you are a prophet as you say.' So Allah sent down, 'They will ask you about the hour when it will come to pass. Say, only my Lord knows of it. None but He will reveal it at its proper time. Say, 'Only Allah knows about it but most men do not know.' How can we follow you, Muhammad, when you have abandoned our Qiblah? And you do not allege that Uzayr [who knows?] is the son of God.' So Allah revealed, 'The Jews say that Uzayr is the son of God [no they don't] and the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. That is what they say with their mouths, copying the speech of those who disbelieved in the earlier times. Allah fight them! How perverse are they?'"
Ishaq:269 "'For our part we don't see how your Qur'an recitals are arranged anything like our Torah is.' [So Muhammad who couldn't read said,] 'You know quite well that the Qur'an is from Allah. You will find it written in the Torah which you have.'"
Ishaq:269 "'If men and jinn [demons] came together to produce its like they could not.' Finhas said, 'Did men or jinn tell you this, Muhammad?' 'You know full well that the Qur'an is from Allah and that I am the Apostle of Allah. You will find it written in the Torah you have.' The rabbi replied, 'When God sends a prophet, He provides for him, so bring us a book that is divinely inspired that we may read it and determine if you are telling the truth. We can produce our Book.' So Allah revealed, concerning their words, 'Though men and jinn should meet to produce this Qur'an, they would not produce its like, even working together.'"
Qur'an 2:40 "O Children of Israel, remember the favors I bestowed on you. So keep My Covenant so that I fulfil your covenant. Fear Me. And believe in what I sent down, confirming and verifying the Scripture which you possess already."
Qur'an 2:41 "Be not the first to deny or sell My Verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone." [Another translation reads:] "Part not with My Revelations for a trifling price, getting a small gain by selling My Verses."
Qur'an 2:43 "[Jews] Perform prayer; pay the zakat tax; bow down and prostrate yourself with Ar-Raki'un (the obedient bowers). You read, recite, and study the Scripture. Why don't you understand? Nay, seek [Islamic prostration] prayer: It is indeed hard, heavy, and exacting, except for those who obey in submission."
Qur'an 2:59 "The [Jewish] transgressors changed and perverted the word from that which had been spoken to them to a word distorted; so We sent a plague upon them from heaven, for their evil-doing."
Qur'an 2:61 "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved Allah's Proofs, Signs and Verses and killed the prophets. They disobeyed and rebelled."
Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. You know that you have broken the sanctity of the Sabbath, so We said: 'Become monkeys despised and hated.' We made this punishment an example and a warning for those who fear Allah."
Qur'an 2:79 "But woe to the Jews who fake the Scriptures and say, 'This is from God,' so that they might earn some profit thereby.' And woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn from it.'"
Qur'an 2:80 "Yet they (Jews) say: 'The Fire will not touch us for more than a few days...but they are enclosed in error and are inmates of Hell."
Qur'an 2:85 "Do you [Jews] believe a part of the Book and reject a part? There is no reward for them who so act but disgrace in the world, and on the Day of Doom, the severest of punishment...their torment will never decrease!"
Qur'an 2:89 "The Book was sent to them (the Jews) by Allah verifying and confirming what had been revealed to them already (the Torah and Gospel). They used to pray for victory over the unbelievers - and even though they recognized it when it came to them, they renounced it. The curse of Allah be on those who deny!"
Qur'an 2:101 "When there came a messenger from Allah confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the (Torah and Gospel) Scripture Book fling away the Book of Allah, tossing it behind their backs, as if they did not know!"
Qur'an 2:109 "Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you [Muslim] (people) back to infidelity after you have believed [submitted], through selfish envy, even after the Truth has become manifest to them. Indulge them until Allah issues his orders."
Tabari VII:26 "When the Prophet came to Yathrib he saw the Jews fasting on Ashura day. He questioned them, and they said it was the day upon which God drowned Pharaoh and saved Moses from the Egyptians. He said, 'We have a better right to Moses than you do.'"
Tabari VII:85 "After Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr, the Jews were envious and behaved badly toward him, saying, 'Muhammad has not met anyone who is good at fighting. Had he met us, he would have had a real battle.' They also infringed the treaty in various ways."
Ishaq:232 "The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are fighting alongside the believers. The Jews have their religion, the Muslims have theirs. None of them shall go out to war unless they have Muhammad's permission. The Jews must pay, however, for as long as the war lasts. If any dispute or controversy should arise it must be referred to Allah and Muhammad, His Apostle. If the Jews are called to make peace they must, except in the case of Holy War. Allah approves of this document."
Tabari VII:85 "What happened to the Qaynuqa [the wealthiest Jewish tribe in Yathrib] was that Muhammad assembled them in their Marketplace and said, 'Jews, beware lest Allah brings on you the kind of vengeance which He brought on the Quraysh. Accept Islam [submit] and become Muslims [surrender]. You know that I am a Prophet. You will find me in your Scriptures and in Allah's Covenant with you.'"
Ishaq:363 "The Jews of the Qaynuqa replied, 'Muhammad, do you think that we are like your people? Do not be deluded by the fact that you met a people with no knowledge and you made good use of your opportunity.'"
Tabari VII:85 "The Qaynuqa were the first Jews to infringe the agreement between them and the Messenger." [We are not told how they "infringed." "The campaign of the Prophet against the Banu Qaynuqa was in Shawwal (March 27, 624) in the second year of the Hijrah [migration from Mecca]."
Tabari VII:86 "Gabriel brought down the following verse to the Messenger: 'If you apprehend treachery from any people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them.' [8:58] When Gabriel had finished delivering this verse, the Prophet said, 'I fear the Qaynuqa.' It was on the basis of this verse that Muhammad advanced on them."
Ishaq:363 "Allah's Apostle besieged the Qaynuqa until they surrendered at his discretion unconditionally."
Tabari VII:86 "Abd Allah [a Yathrib chief] rose up when Allah had put them in his power, and said, 'Muhammad, treat my ally well, for the Qaynuqa are a confederate of the Khazraj.' The Prophet ignored him, so Abd Allah repeated his request." Ishaq:363 "The Prophet turned away from him so Abd Allah put his hand on the collar of the Messenger's robe. Muhammad said, 'Let go of me!' He was so angry his face turned black. Then he said, 'Damn you, let me go!' Abd Allah replied, 'No, by God, I will not let you go until you treat my ally humanely. There are seven hundred men among them who defended me from my foes when I needed their help. And now, you would mow them down in a single morning? By God I do not feel safe around here any more. I am afraid of what the future may have in store.' So the Messenger said, 'You can have them.'"
Tabari VII:87 "The Prophet said, 'Let them go; may Allah curse them, and may he curse Abd Allah with them.' So the Muslims let them go. Then Muhammad [went back on his word and] gave orders to expel the Jews. Allah gave their property as booty to his Messenger. The Qaynuqa did not have any farmland, as they were goldsmiths. The Prophet took many weapons belonging to them and the tools of their trade. The person who took charge of their expulsion from Yathrib along with their children was Ubadah. He accompanied them as far as Dhubab, saying: 'The farther you go the better.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N362 "He exiled all the Qaynuqa Jews from Medina."
Ishaq:364 "Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate."
Ishaq:364 "'I fear this change of circumstance may end up overtaking us.' So Allah replied, 'He will be sorry for his thoughts. True believers perform prostrations, they pay the tax, they bow in homage, and renounce their agreements with the Jews. They are Hezbollah - Allah's Party.'"
Qur'an 59:2 "It was Allah who drove the (Jewish) People from their [Yathrib] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. They imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah's Torment came at them from where they did not suspect. He terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson. This is My warning. Had I not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them to the desert, I would have punished them. They shall taste the torment of Hell Fire." Qur'an 59:4 "That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger. If any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment."
Qur'an 59:6 "What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away from the Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish) people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle."
Tabari VII:94 "The Murder of Ka'b bin Ashraf, The Evil Genius of the Jews: The Prophet sent messengers to the people of Medina announcing the good news of the victory granted to him by Allah at Badr. They listed the names of the polytheists they had killed." Ishaq:365 "Ka'b bin Ashraf was from the Jewish clan of Nadir. When he heard the news, he said, 'Can this be true? Did Muhammad actually kill these people? These were fine men. If Muhammad has slain them, then the belly of the earth is a better place for us than its surface!'" Ishaq:365 "When the enemy of Allah became convinced the report was true, he set out for Mecca. He began to arouse people against Muhammad [i.e., he exposed him]. He recited verses in sympathy for the Quraysh men Muhammad had cast into the pit. Ka'b Ashraf composed the following poetic lines: 'The blood spilled at Badr calls to its people. They cry and weep. The best men were slain and thrown into a pit.'" Ishaq:365 "Drive off that fool of yours so that you might be safe from talk that makes no sense. Why do you taunt those who mourn over their dead? They lived good lives, and as such we must remember them. But now you have become like jackals."
Tabari VII:94 "The Prophet said, 'Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Muhammad bin Maslamah, said, 'I will rid you of him, Messenger of Allah. I will kill him.' 'Do it then,' he said, 'if you can.'"
Bukhari:V4B52N270 "The Prophet said, 'Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Muhammad bin Maslama said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Do you want me to kill him?' He replied in the affirmative."
Ishaq:365 "'Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Maslama said, 'I will deal with him for you. O Apostle, I will kill him.' Muhammad said, 'Do so if you can.'"
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Tabari VII:94 "Muhammad bin Maslamah said, 'O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.' 'Say what you like,' Muhammad replied. 'You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.'"
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Ishaq:367 "Maslamah made a plan to kill Ka'b, the enemy of Allah. Before they went to him, they sent Abu ahead. When he arrived, they spoke together for a while. They recited verses, for Abu was something of a poet. Then Abu said, 'Ka'b, I have come to you about a matter which I want you to keep secret.' 'Go ahead,' he replied. 'The arrival of the Prophet Muhammad has been an affliction for us.' Abu said, 'Most Arabs are now hostile to us. We cannot travel along the roads, and the result is that our families are facing ruin. We are all suffering.' Ka'b replied, 'I warned you that things would turn out like this.' Abu said, 'I would like you to sell us some food. We will give you some collateral and make a firm contract. Please treat us generously.'"
Tabari VII:95 "Abu said, 'We will deposit sufficient weapons with you to guarantee the payment of our debt.' Abu wanted to fool the Jew so that he would not be suspicious about the weapons when they came bearing them. Abu went back to his companions, informed them of what had happened. He told them to grab their swords and join him. Before leaving, they went to the house of the Messenger. Muhammad walked with them as far as Baqi al-Gharqad. Then he sent them off, saying, 'Go in Allah's name; O Allah, help them [assassinate the outspoken Jew]!' Then the Prophet went back home. It was a moonlit night, and they went forward until they reached Ka'b's house."
Ishaq:368 "Then Abu called out to him. He had recently married, and he leapt up in his bed. His wife took hold of the sheets, and said to the strange voice, 'You are a fighting man; as only a man of war leaves his house at an hour like this."
Bukhari:V5B59N369 "His wife asked him, 'Where are you going?' Ka'b replied, 'Out with Muhammad bin Maslamah and my brother Abu.' His wife said, 'I hear evil in his voice as if his words are dripping blood.' Ka'b said. 'They are my brother and my foster brother. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.'"
Muslim:B19N4436 "Muhammad said to his companions: 'As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head, I will touch his hair and smell it. When you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. When I hold him fast, you do your job.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N369 "Muhammad said. 'I have never smelt a better perfume than this,' so that Ka'b would relax his guard. 'Will you allow me to smell your head?' Then Abu thrust his hand into the hair near his temple. When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said, 'Strike the enemy of Allah!' So they smote him."
Ishaq:368 "Their swords rained blows upon him, but to no avail. Muhammad bin Maslamah said, 'When I saw that they were ineffective, I remembered a long, thin dagger which I had in my scabbard. I took hold of it. By this time the enemy of Allah had shouted so loudly lamps had been lit in the homes around us. I plunged the dagger into his breast and pressed upon it so heavily that it reached his pubic region. Allah's enemy fell to the ground.'"
Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:368 "We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'"
Ishaq:368 "Ka'b's body was left prostrate. After his fall, all the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet."
Tabari VII:97 "The next morning, the Jews were in a state of fear on account of our attack upon the enemy of Allah. After the assassination, the Prophet declared, 'Kill every Jew.'"
Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:369 "Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim's brother complained, saying, 'Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, 'By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, 'Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!'"
Qur'an 59:14 "The Jews will not unite and fight against you except from behind walls. They hate themselves. You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense. Like those who recently preceded them [the Meccans at Badr], they [the Jews who were just sent into the desert to die] have tasted the evil result of their conduct. And for them a grievous punishment."
Qur'an 59:16 "They [the Jews] are like Satan when he tells man, 'Not to believe,' When (man) denies, Satan says, 'I have nothing to do with you. I fear Allah, the Lord of men and jinn!'"
Qur'an 59:17 "Both [Jews and Satan] will go into the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein forever. Such is the reward of the Zalimun (disbelievers and polytheists)."
Qur'an 62:5 "The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of an ass which carries huge books (but understands them not). Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the Verses of Allah."
Qur'an 62:6 "Say: 'You Jews! If you think that you are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then desire death, if you are truthful!' But never will they long (for death), because of what their hands have done before them! Allah knows well the polytheists! Say: 'The Death from which you flee will truly overtake you.'"
Qur'an 3:65 "You People of the Book! Why dispute you about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you no understanding? Ah! You are those who fell to disputing (even) in matters of which you had some knowledge! But why dispute in matters of which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you who know not!"
Qur'an 3:67 "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah."
Qur'an 3:77 "As for those who sell for a small price the covenant and faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter. Nor will Allah speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleanse them: They shall have a grievous torment, a painful doom. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues. (As they read) you would think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book; and they say, 'That is from God,' but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!"
Qur'an 3:84 "Say (Muhammad): 'We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [of Israel], and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered, bowing our will (in Islam).'"
Qur'an 3:85 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who are losers." Qur'an
3:87 "Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all together. In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty of doom be lightened."
Tabari VII:156
Ishaq:437 "In the fourth year of the Islamic Era the Prophet expelled the Nadir [a large Jewish community in Yathrib] from their homes.
Tabari VII:158 "Call Muhammad bin Maslamah to me.' When Muhammad came, he was told to go to the Jews and say, 'Leave my country. You have intended treachery.' He went and said, 'The Messenger orders you to depart from his country.' They replied, 'We never thought that an Aws would come with such a message.' 'Hearts have changed,' Muhammad said. 'Islam has wiped out our old covenants.'"
Ishaq:437 "The Apostle ordered them to prepare for war and to march against them. Muhammad personally led his men against the Nadir and halted in their quarter. The Jews took refuge against him in their homes, so he ordered their date palms to be cut down and burnt. They shouted, 'Muhammad, you have forbidden wonton destruction of property and have blamed those who perpetrated it. Why are you doing this?'" Qur'an 59:5 "The palm trees you cut down or left standing intact was by Allah's dispensation so that He might disgrace the transgressors."
Ishaq:437 "So Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews. Then the Prophet said, 'The Jews have declared war.'"
Tabari VII:159 "The Messenger of Allah besieged the Banu Nadir for fifteen days until he had reduced them to a state of utter exhaustion, so that they would give him what he wanted. The terms in which the Prophet made peace with the Jews were: he would not shed their blood, he would expel them from their lands and settlements, providing for every three of them a camel and a water-skin." Ishaq:438 "The Jews loaded their camels with their wives, children, and property. There were tambourines, pipes and singing. They went to Khaybar with such splendor as had never been seen from any tribe." Ishaq:438 "The Nadir left their property to Muhammad and it became his personal possession, to do with it as he wished."
Ishaq:438 "Allah wreaked His vengeance on the Jews and gave His Apostle power over them and control to deal with them as he wished. Allah said, 'I turned out those who disbelieved of the Scripture People from their homes. And in the next world I will torment them again with a painful punishment in Hell. The palm trees you cut down were by Allah's permission; they were uprooted on My order. It was not destruction but it was vengeance from Allah to humble the evildoers. The spoil which Allah gave the Apostle from the Nadir belongs to him."
Bukhari:V4B52N153 "The properties of Nadir which Allah had transferred to His Apostle as Booty were not gained by the Muslims with their horses and camels. The properties therefore, belonged especially to Allah's Apostle who used to give his family their yearly expenditure and spend what remained thereof on arms and horses to be used in Allah's Cause."
Bukhari:V4B52N176 "Allah's Apostle said, 'You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, "O Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him."'"
Bukhari:V4B52N177 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
Ishaq:441 "A man who had neither shown treachery nor bad faith haply had a change of fortune and took revenge, cutting down their palm trees and killing the Nadir. A sharp sword in the hand of a brave man kills his adversary. The rabbis were disgraced for they denied mighty Lord Allah." Ishaq:442 "Sword in hand we brought down the Nadir. By Muhammad's order we beguiled them."
Tabari VIII:7 "The Quraysh said: 'Jews, you are the people of the first Scripture, and you have knowledge about the subject on which we and Muhammad have come to differ. Is our religion better or his?' 'Your religion is better,' they said. 'You are closer to the truth than he.'"
Ishaq:450 "They are the ones concerning whom Allah revealed: 'Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Scripture has been given? They believe in idols and false deities. They say, "These are more rightly guided than those who believe?" - until the words, "Hell is sufficient for their burning. They are jealous and Allah has cursed them."'" [4:51]
Tabari VIII:15 "When the news reached Muhammad, he sent Sa'd, chief of the Aws to Ka'b. 'If it is true, speak to me in words that we can understand but that will be unintelligible to others. So he went out and found them engaged in the worst of what had been reported. They slandered the Messenger and said, 'There is no treaty between us.' Sa'd reviled them, and they reviled him. Sa'd was a man with a sharp temper. He told the Jews, 'Stop reviling him for the disagreement between us is too serious for an exchange of taunts.'"
Ishaq:461 "Just before the noon prayers, Gabriel came to the Apostle wearing a gold turban. He was riding a mule. He said, 'Have you laid down your weapons and stopped fighting, Muhammad?' 'Yes,' he replied. Gabriel said, 'The angels have not laid down their arms! I've just returned from pursuing the enemy. Allah commands you to march to the Qurayza. I, too, will attack the Jews and shake them out of their homes.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N443-8 "When the Prophet returned from the Trench, laid down his arms and took a bath, Gabriel came to him covered in dust. "Why have you laid down your sword? We angels have not set them down yet. It's time to go out against them.' The Prophet said, 'Where to go?' Gabriel said, 'This way,' pointing towards the Qurayza. So the Prophet went out to besiege them."
Bukhari:V5B59N444 "The dust rose in the streets of Medina as Gabriel's regiment marched through. The angels joined Allah's Apostle in attacking the Qurayza Jews."
Ishaq:461 "The Messenger commanded a crier to announce that all should heed and obey. He ordered that none should perform the afternoon prayer until after they reached the Qurayza settlement. The Prophet sent Ali ahead with his war banner against the Jews, and the Muslims hastened to it. Ali advanced toward their homes and heard insulting language from the Jews about Allah's Messenger. Ali ran back and told the Prophet that the Jews were rascals and that there was no need for him to go near those wicked men. 'Why?' Muhammad asked. 'Have you heard them insult me?' 'Yes,' Ali answered. 'Had they seen me,' Allah's Apostle replied, 'they would not have said anything of the sort.'"
Tabari VIII:28 "Before reaching the Qurayza, Muhammad greeted his Companions. 'Has anyone passed you?' he asked. 'Yes, Prophet,' they replied. 'Dihyah ibn Khalifah passed us on a white mule with a brocade covered saddle.' Allah's Apostle said, 'That was Gabriel. He was sent to the Qurayza to shake their homes and terrorize them.'"
Tabari VIII:29 "The Prophet said, 'No one should pray the afternoon prayer until they are in the territory of the Qurayza because warfare against the Jews is incumbent upon Muslims.'"
Ishaq:461 "The Muslims had been totally occupied with warlike preparations. They refused to pray until they had come upon the Jews in accordance with Muhammad's order. Allah did not find fault with them in His Book, nor did the Messenger reprimand them for it."
Tabari VIII:28 "When the Messenger approached the Jews, he said, 'You brothers of apes! Allah shamed you and cursed you.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N449 "On the day of the Qurayza siege, Allah's Apostle said to Hassan, 'Abuse them with your poems, for Gabriel is with you.'"
Ishaq:461 "Muhammad besieged them for twenty-five nights. When the siege became too severe, Allah terrorized them. After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka'b Asad. He said, 'Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said, 'Swear allegiance to Muhammad and accept him; for it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'" Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"
Ishaq:462 "Then the Jews asked, 'Send us Abu Lubaba, one of the Aws,' for they were confederates, 'so that we can ask his advice.' The Prophet complied and the Jews grabbed hold of him. The women and children were crying, so he felt pity for them. They said, 'Lubaba, do you think we should submit to Muhammad's judgment?' 'Yes,' he said. But he pointed with his hand to his throat, indicating that it would be slaughter. Lubaba later said, 'As soon as my feet moved, I knew that I had betrayed Allah's Apostle. He rushed away and tied himself to a pillar in the mosque. He cried, 'I will not leave this spot until Allah forgives me for what I've done. I betrayed His Apostle.'" Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:32 "I heard Allah's Apostle laughing at daybreak; so I said, 'Why are you laughing, Prophet? May Allah make you laugh heartily!' He replied, 'Lubaba has been forgiven.'" Ishaq:463 "He vanished into the night. It is not known to this day what happened to him. Some allege that he was bound with a rotten rope and cast away."
Tabari VIII:33 "In the morning, the Jews submitted to the judgment of Allah's Messenger. The Aws [Medina Muslims] leapt up and said, 'Muhammad, they are our allies. You know what you did the other day with the allies of the Khazraj [another tribe of Medina Muslims]!' Before besieging the Qurayza, the Messenger had besieged the Qaynuqa, who were the confederates of the Khazraj. They had submitted to his judgment and were banished."
Bukhari:V5B59N448 "Sa'd said, 'O Allah! You know that there is nothing more beloved to me than to fight in Your Cause against those who disbelieve Your Apostle. If there remains any fight with the infidels, then keep me alive till I fight against them for Your sake.'"
Ishaq:463 "En route to Muhammad, the Aws said, 'Treat our client well for the Prophet has put you in charge of this matter. After many requests, Sa'd said, 'The time has come for Sa'd, in the Cause of Allah, not to be influenced by anyone's reproach.' Some of the people who heard him, announced the impending death of the Qurayza before Sa'd Mu'adh reached them because of the words he had said."
Ishaq:463
Tabari VIII:34 "When Sa'd reached the Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, the Prophet said, 'Pass judgment on them.' Sa'd replied, 'I pass judgment that their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and their property divided.' Allah's Apostle proclaimed, 'You have passed judgment on the Jews with the judgment of Allah and the judgment of His Messenger.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N362 "So the Prophet killed the Qurayza men. He distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims."
Tabari VIII:39 "After the affair of the Qurayza ended, the wound of Sa'd broke open. He prayed saying, 'O Allah, You know that there are no men whom I would rather fight and kill than men who called Your Messenger a liar.'"
Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before." [Version two:] "And He drove the People of the Scripture down from their homes and cast panic into their hearts. Some you killed, and you made some captive. And He caused you to inherit their farms, houses, wealth, and land you have not trodden."
Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men. As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to one another, 'What do you think will be done to us?' Someone said, 'Do you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!' The affair continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all."
Tabari VIII:40 "Allah's Apostle commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."
Tabari VIII:35
Ishaq:464 "Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, 'I do not regret opposing you. Whoever forsakes God will be damned.' He sat down and was beheaded."
Ishaq:464
Tabari VIII:36 "According to Aisha, one Jewish woman was killed. She was by my side, talking with me while Allah's Messenger was killing her men in the marketplace."
Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Ishaq:465 "When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us."
Ishaq:465 "Then the Apostle divided the property, wives, and children of the Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah's Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders - giving the horse two shares and the rider one. It was the first booty in which lots were cast."
Tabari VIII:38 "According to this example (Sunnah), the procedure of the Messenger of Allah in the divisions of booty became a precedent which was followed in subsequent raids."
Tabari VIII:39 "Then the Messenger of Allah sent Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms."
Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism."
Ishaq:466 "The Apostle chose one of the Jewish women for himself. Her name was Rayhanah. She remained with him until she died, in his power. The Apostle proposed to marry her and put the veil on her but she said, 'Leave me under your power, for that will be easier. She showed a repugnance towards Islam when she was captured."
Ishaq:466 "Allah sent down [a surah] concerning the Trench and Qurayza raid. The account is found in the Allied Troops. In it He mentions their trial and His kindness to the Muslims."
Ishaq:468 "Allah brought down the People of the Scripture Book. I forced the Qurayza from their homes and cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you took captive. You killed their men and enslaved their women and children. And I caused you to inherit their land, their dwellings, and their property. Allah can do all things.'"
Ishaq:479 "Slain in Allah's religion, Sa'd inherits Paradise with the martyrs. His was a noble testimony. When he pronounced his verdict on the Qurayza, he did not judge on his own volition. His judgment and Allah's were one. Sa'd is among those who sold his life for the Garden of Bliss." Ishaq:469 "An Ansar [Muslim] recited this poem: 'The throne of Allah shook for only one man: Sa'd the brave and bold, a glorious leader, a knight ever ready. Stepping into the battle, he cut heads to pieces."
Ishaq:469 "On the day the Qurayza Jews were slain, one Muslim was martyred. A stone was thrown on him and it inflicted a shattering wound. The Apostle said, 'He will have the reward of two martyrs.'"
Ishaq:475 "Allah commanded that horses should be kept for His enemy in the fight so they might vex them. We obeyed our Prophet's orders when he called us to war. When he called for violent efforts we made them. The Prophet's command is obeyed for he is truly believed. He will give us victory, glory, and a life of ease. Those [Jews] who call Muhammad a liar disbelieve and go astray. They attacked our religion and would not submit."
Ishaq:481 "The Apostle slew them in their own town. With our troops he surrounded their homes. We shouted out cries in the heat of battle. The Jews were given the Scripture and wasted it. Being blind, [the illiterate man said] they strayed from the Torah. You Jews disbelieved the Qur'an and yet you have tasted the confirmation of what it said. May Allah make our raid on them immortal. May fire burn in their quarter. They will no longer ruin our lands. You [Jews] have no place here, so be off!"
Ishaq:480 "The Qurayza met their misfortune [now there's an understated word]. In humiliation they found no helper. A calamity worse than that which fell upon the Nadir befell them. On that day Allah's Apostle came to them like a brilliant moon. We left them with blood upon them like a pool. They lay prostrate with the vultures circling round."
Barakuda1, boš odgovoril na svoj izziv?
Gospod moderator, "znani in ugledni" se pojavlja samo v mojem postu 13.04.2008 14:37:27 - in v nobenem drugem postu na 12 ali 11 strani.
In ne, g. moderator, menim “da ne bi ravno tolk (al pa še več) takšnih in podobnih mnenj našel med znanimi in uglednimi ljudmi, tudi ko bo govora o krščanstvu.” - ker:
a) se ti ne da,
b) ne znaš,
c) nočeš,
d) jih ni.
1:0 zame.
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2. Barakuda1>No, ko pa si dobil citate iz razodetja, kjer sem te postavil na spolska tla (bolje rečeno - s citatom iz SP dokazal, da klobasaš neumnosti), si očitno sprevidel, da si z opletanjem, kako je ena religiozna knjiga "instucija" slabega, nasproti drugi, ki je "dobra" zašel v slepo ulico, si se pa pričel sprenevedati in manipulirati.
Kot sem že prej napisal:
Barakuda1,
mislim, da je farfetch trditi, da je Raz 22, 18-19 osnova za "monopol kristjanov nad resnico", kot si se ti izrazil.
Raz 22, 18-19 Poleg tega je to še besedna igra - šibe & drevo...
Kako si že prišel iz tega citata iz Razodetja do
"Mi" (kristjani torej) imamo monopol nad tem kaj je res in kaj ni. Imamo tudi monopol nad tem kaj je pravično in kaj ne.
???
Jaz sem te že na začetku pozval: "Od kod ti ta ideja? Prosim, da prilimaš citat in navedeš vir. Ker mislim, da je si te izjave napisal kar tako na pamet, ali pa iz gostilniških debat."? In z virom seveda nisem mislil citata iz Sv. Pisma, pač pa interpretacijo s strani teologov, filozofov, sociologov religije... Pa je spet nisi našel, ker:
a) se ti ne da,
b) ne znaš,
c) nočeš,
d) ga ni.
2:0 zame.
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3. Barakuda1>"Kdor tega ne sprejme in ne akceptira je sovražnik resnice in božje ljubezni." - Kje si pa to našel??? Tudi na to vprašanje nisi odgovoril, ker literature, ki bi podkrepila tvojo izjavo, spet nisi našel, ker:
a) se ti ne da,
b) ne znaš,
c) nočeš,
d) je ni.
3:0 zame.
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4.
Barakuda1, moderator, je 13.04.2008 17:58:56 poslal sporočilo z vsebino:
Mislim, da bi bil čas, da sprevidiš, da toliko (ali pa še več) vprašljivih citatov iz Korana kot jih boš našel ti, bom jaz našel v Svetem pismu.
No, prav. Te bom držal za besedo. Čeprav dvomim, da ti to bo uspelo, saj namreč dobro poznam obe knjigi...
(citati so iz Korana in sune; brez sune je Koran nerazumljiv)
O ženskah
Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
Tabari I:280 "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."
Qur'an 4:3 "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)."
Qur'an 4:11 "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."
Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'"
Muslim:B1N142 "'O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.' A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah's Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: 'You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.' Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, 'Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.'"
Qur'an 4:43 "Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving." [The Qur'an claims women are unclean and polluted - worse than dirt.]
Bukhari:V4B55N547 "The Prophet said, 'But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.'"
Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."
Qur'an 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them."
Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523 "When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N524 "The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"
Ishaq:593 "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another."
Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"
Ishaq:584 "Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman."
Ishaq:185 "In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards."
Qur'an 24:31 "Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands..."
Qur'an 24:34 "Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here's the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving."
Ishaq:469 "The Apostle said, 'Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa'd.'"
Tabari VIII:62
Ishaq:496 "Ali [Muhammad's adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, 'Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.'"
Ishaq:496 "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
Qur'an 24:1 "(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
Qur'an 24:6 "And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth."
O umorih
Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."
Tabari VIII:141 "The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'"
Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Ishaq:489 "Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing."
Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."
Bukhari:V4B52N270 "Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.' Maslama got up saying, 'Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet proclaimed, 'Yes.' Maslama said, 'Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.' Muhammad said, 'You may do so.'"
Ishaq:368 "Ka'b's body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet."
Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:368 "We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'"
Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, 'Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"
Ishaq:369 "Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim's brother complained, saying, 'Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, 'By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, 'Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!' And he accepted Islam."
Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
Ishaq: 676 "'You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?' Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, 'Will no one rid me of this woman?' Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, 'You have helped Allah and His Apostle.' Umayr said. 'She had five sons; should I feel guilty?' 'No,' the Prophet answered. 'Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'"
Bukhari:V1B11N626 "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.'"
Tabari VIII:178
Ishaq:550 "Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka'aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa'd [the Qur'an's one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah's Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam]."
Tabari VIII:179 "Abdallah bin Sa'd fled to Uthman, his brother, who after hiding him, finally surrendered him to the Prophet. Uthman asked for clemency. Muhammad did not respond, remaining silent for a long time. Muhammad explained, 'By Allah, I kept silent so that one of you might go up to him and cut off his head!' One of the Ansar said, 'Why didn't you give me a sign?' Allah's Apostle replied, 'A prophet does not kill by pointing.'"
Tabari VIII:179
Ishaq:550 "Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his.... His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa'id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her."
Ishaq:551 "Another victim was Huwayrith. He used to insult Muhammad in Mecca. Huwayrith was put to death by Ali. The Messenger ordered Miqyas' assassination only because he had killed an Ansar who had killed his brother by mistake and then became a renegade by rejecting Islam."
Tabari VIII:180 "Also among those eliminated were Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl and Sarah, a slave of one of Abd Muttalib's sons. She taunted Muhammad while he was in Mecca."
Tabari VIII:181 "The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim."
Bukhari:V4B52N281 "They took Khubaib to Mecca after the battle of Badr. He had killed Harith, a Meccan nobleman. The Quraysh gathered to kill him in retribution.... Khubaib wanted to offer two Rakat (prayers). They allowed this and he said, 'O Allah, kill them all with no exception.' He then recited the poetic verse: 'I'm being martyred as a Muslim. I do not mind how I am killed in Allah's Cause. For my killing is for Allah's Sake. If Allah wishes, He will bless the amputated parts of my torn body.' Then the son of Harith [the man Khubaib had murdered] killed him."
Ishaq:597 "When the Apostle returned to Medina after his raid on Ta'if, word spread that he had killed some of the men who had satirized and insulted him. The poets who were left spread in all directions."
Tabari IX:76 "Malik has reported to me that you were the first from Himyar to embrace Islam and that you have killed infidels, so rejoice at your good fortune."
Tabari IX:121 "When it was feasible for me, I struck him with my sword and killed him. Then I departed, leaving his women to throw themselves at him. When I returned to the Prophet, he asked, 'Is your mission accomplished?' 'Yes. I have killed him.'"
Ishaq:308
Tabari VII:65 "When the Apostle was in Safra, Nadr was assassinated. When Muhammad reached Irq al-Zabyah he killed Uqbah. When the Prophet ordered him to be killed, Uqbah said, 'Who will look after my children, Muhammad?' "Hellfire,' the Apostle replied, and he was killed."
Tabari VII:85 "Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr."
Tabari VII:99 "In this year, the killing of Abu Rafi the Jew took place. The Messenger sent some Ansar under the command of Abd Allah and Abd Allah against the Jew. Abu Rafi used to injure and wrong the Prophet.... Abd Allah said to the others, 'Stay where you are, and I will go and ingratiate myself with the doorkeeper to gain entrance.'"
Tabari VII:100 "Every time I opened a door, I shut it behind me from the inside, saying to myself, 'If they become aware, they will not have time to stop me from killing him.' When I reached Rafi, he was in a dark room with his family. As I did not know where he was in the room, I said, 'O Abu Rafi.' When he replied, I proceeded toward the voice and gave him a blow with my sword. He shouted and I came back, pretending to be a helper. I said, 'O Abu,' changing the tone of my voice. He asked me, 'I don't know who came to strike me with his sword.' Then I drove my sword into his belly and pushed it forcibly till it touched the bone. I hit him again and covered him with wounds, but I could not kill him, so I thrust the point of my sword into his stomach until it came out through his back. At that, I knew that I had killed him [in front of his wife and children]. I came out, filled with puzzlement, and went towards a ladder in order to get down but I fell into a moonlit night and sprained my foot. I bound it with my turban and moved on. I came to my companions and said, 'By Allah, I will not leave till I hear the wailing of their women.' So, I did not move till I heard them crying for the Jewish merchant. I said, 'Deliverance! Allah has killed Abu Rafi.' I got up, feeling no ailment, and proceeded till we came upon the Prophet and informed him."
Tabari VII:101 "The Khazraj asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam Huqayq, who was in Khaybar. He granted this."
Ishaq:482 "One of the favors which Allah conferred upon his Prophet was that these two tribes of the Ansar, the Aws and the Khazraj, used to vie with one another like stallions to carry out the will of Muhammad. The Aws did not do anything which benefited him without the Khazraj saying, 'By Allah they will not gain superiority over us in Islam in the eyes of the Messenger by doing this.' And they would not cease until they had done something similar. Thus when the Aws killed Ka'b Ashraf on account of his hostility to Muhammad, the Khazraj conferred to find a man comparable to Ka'b in hostility and called to mind Sallam Huqayq in Khaybar. They asked the Prophet for permission to kill him, and it was granted."
Tabari VII:101
Ishaq:483 "Sallam's wife came out and we told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. When we entered, we bolted the door on her so she gave a shout to warn him of our presence. We rushed upon him with our swords as he lay in his bed. He took his pillow and tried to fend us off. Abd Allah thrust his sword into his stomach and transfixed him while he was shouting, 'Enough! Enough!' At once we went out but Abd Allah had bad eyesight, and he fell off the stairway, bruising his leg or arm. 'How shall we know that the enemy of Allah is dead?' one of us asked. 'I will go and look,' one replied. He set off and mingled with the people. He said, 'I found him with the men of the Jews, and with his wife, who had a lamp in her hand, peering into his face. She said, 'By the God of the Jews, he is dead.' I never heard any more pleasing words than these. We went to the Messenger of Allah and told him that we had killed the enemy of Allah. We disagreed in his presence about the killing of Sallam, each of us claiming to have done it. The Prophet said, 'Bring me your swords.' We did and he looked at them. He said, 'This sword of Abd Allah killed him. I can see the marks left by bones on it.'"
Ishaq:483 "Allah, what a fine band you have, one willing to kill Sallam and Ashraf! We went with sharp swords, like fighting lions. We came upon their homes and made them drink death with our swift-slaying swords. Looking for the victory of our Prophet's religion, we ignored every risk."
Tabari VII:112
Ishaq:372 "When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, 'Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!' I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, 'If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.' Sa'd rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew's head open."
Ishaq:403 "Allah killed twenty-two polytheists at Uhud."
Tabari VII:147 "Amr was sent by Muhammad to kill Abu Sufyan [the Quraysh leader and merchant]. The Prophet said, 'Go to Abu Sufyan and kill him.' ...When I entered Mecca I had a dagger ready to slay anybody who laid hold of me. My Ansar companion asked, 'Should we start by circumambulating the Ka'aba seven times and praying two rak'ahs?' I said, 'I know the Meccans better than you do.' But he kept pestering me until in the end we went to the Ka'aba, circumambulated it seven times, and prayed."
Tabari VII:148 "One of the Meccans recognized me and shouted, 'That is Amr!' They rushed after us, saying, 'By Allah, Amr has not come here for any good purpose! He has come for some evil reason.' Amr had been a cutthroat and a desperado before accepting Islam."
Tabari VII:148 "Amr said, 'Let's wait here until the cry has died down. They are sure to hunt for us tonight and tomorrow. I was still in the cave when Uthman bin Malik came riding proudly on his horse. He reached the entrance to our cave and I said to my Ansar companion, 'If he sees us, he will tell everyone in Mecca.' So I went out and stabbed him with my dagger. He gave a shout and the Meccans came to him while I went back to my hiding place. Finding him at the point of death, they said, 'By Allah we knew that Amr came for no good purpose.' The death of their companion impeded their search for us, for they carried him away."
Tabari VII:149 "I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, 'Who's there?' I said [lied], 'I'm a Banu Bakr.' 'So am I.' Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: 'I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.' I said, 'You will soon see!' Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad."
Tabari VII:150 "I had tied my prisoner's thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. 'Well done!' he said, and prayed for me to be blessed."
Ishaq:434 "Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, 'You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.'"
Tabari VIII:22 "Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans' throats. So I said: 'Hassan, this Jew is walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him."
Tabari VIII:22
Ishaq:458 "'Allah forgive you, daughter of Abd al-Muttalib,' Hassan said. 'You know that I am not the man to do it.' When he said that to me I saw that nothing could be expected from him. I girded myself, took a club, and, having gone down from the fortress to the man, I struck him with the club until I killed him. When I had finished with him, I returned to the fortress and said, 'Hassan, go down to him and strip him - only his being a man kept me from taking his clothes.' Hassan replied, 'I have no need for his spoils.'"
Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."
Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Tabari VIII:90 "Abu Basir went out with his companions. When they stopped to rest he asked one of them, 'Is this sword of yours sharp?' 'Yes,' he replied. 'May I look at it?' Basir asked. 'If you wish.' Basir unsheathed the sword, attacked the man, and killed him. The other Muslim ran back to the Messenger, saying, 'Your Companion has killed my friend.' While the man was still there, Abu Basir appeared girded with the sword. He halted before Muhammad and said, 'Messenger, your obligation has been discharged.'"
Mohamedove modrosti
Bukhari:V6B61N550 "The Prophet said, 'It is a bad thing some of you say,"I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an." For truly, I have been caused by Allah to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes faster than a runaway camel.'"
Tabari I:299 "Scholars of the nation of our Prophet say, 'The tree which Allah forbade Adam and his spouse to eat was wheat.'"
Tabari I:321 "When Eve became heavy with her first pregnancy, Satan came to her before she gave birth and said, 'Eve, what is that in your womb?' She said, 'I do not know.' He asked, 'Where will it come out from-your nose, your eye, or your ear?' She replied, 'I do not know.'"
Tabari I:299 "It was the cover of fingernails that had kept their secret parts concealed."
Tabari I:275 "Satan wanted to meet them in Paradise, but the keepers prevented him from entering. He went to a snake, an animal with four feet like a camel. Satan tried to persuade it to let him enter its mouth and take him to Adam. The snake agreed, passed by the keepers, and entered without their knowledge, because that was Allah's plan."
Tabari I:278 "Adam went inside the tree to hide. Eve cut the tree and it bled. Then feather that covered Adam and Eve dropped off. So Allah said, 'Now Eve, as you caused the tree to bleed, you will bleed every new moon, and you, snake, I will cut off your feet and you will walk slithering on your face.'"
Tabari I:279 "It was a tree which made whoever ate from it defecate. But there must be no faeces in Paradise."
Tabari I:281 "I heard him swear by Allah unequivocally, 'As long as Adam was in his right mind, he would never have eaten from the tree. Eve gave him wine and got him drunk. She led him to the tree."
Tabari I:267 "And Allah taught Adam all the names as follows: He taught him the name of everything, down to fart and little fart."
Bukhari:V1B4N137 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The prayer of a person who does Hadath (passes urine, stool or wind) is not accepted till he performs ablution.'"
Bukhari:V1B4N139 "I asked Allah's Apostle about a person who imagined they passed wind during prayer. He replied: 'He should not leave his prayer unless he hears sound or smells something.'"
Mučenje
Qur'an 5:33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly."
Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515 "The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."
Bukhari:V4B54N487 "The Prophet said, 'The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.' So someone said, 'Allah's Apostle, wouldn't this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?'"
Bukhari:V4B52N260 "Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, 'Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, "Don't punish with Allah's Punishment." No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, "If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him."'"
Qur'an 48:27 "If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture."
Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."
Qur'an 5:37 "The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture."
Tabari IX:6 "The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, 'We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now."
Ishaq:595 "The Apostle said, 'Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.'"
Ishaq:312 "Umar said to the Apostle, 'Let me pull out Suhayl's two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.'"
Ishaq:316 "Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive."
Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Tabari VII:133
Ishaq:387 "When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, 'If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!' When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, 'By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody."
Tabari VIII:96 "A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm's daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm's daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him."
O Judih
Qur'an 2:61 "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath."
Qur'an 4:44 "Have you not considered those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They traffic in error and desire that you should go astray. But Allah has full knowledge of your enemies. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, saying, 'We hear and we disobey' with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith.... Allah has cursed them for disbelief."
Qur'an 4:47 "O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed."
Qur'an 4:160 "For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) in that they hindered many from Allah's Way, that they took usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men's wealth on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject [Islamic] Faith a painful doom."
Qur'an 5:59 "Say: 'People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?' Say: 'Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine."
Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."
Ishaq:240 "The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people."
Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
Ishaq:250 "The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes, despised."
Qur'an 59:14 "The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell."
Ishaq:254
Qur'an 2:96 "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful thing that awaits them."
Qur'an 4:55 "Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!"
Qur'an 88:1 "Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring."
Tabari VIII:116 "After his return from Hudaybiyah, Allah's Messenger marched against Khaybar. He halted with his army in a valley between the people of Khaybar and the Ghatafan tribe to prevent the latter from assisting the Jews."
Ishaq:264 "A notable Jew spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue. He attacked Islam and reviled it, so Allah sent down, 'Allah knows best about your enemies. Some of the Jews change words from their contexts and say: "We hear and disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the religion so Allah cursed them.'"
Tabari VIII:121 "Ali struck the Jew with a swift blow that split his helmet, neck protector, and head, landing in his rear teeth. And the Muslims entered the city. Muhammad conquered the [Jewish] neighborhood. Safiyah was brought to him, and another woman with her. Bilal led them past some of the Jews we had slain including the woman's dead husband. When she saw them, the woman with Safiyah cried out, slapped her face, and poured dust on her head. When Allah's Prophet saw her, he said, 'Take this she-devil away from me!'"
Bukhari:V4B53N380 "Umar expelled all the Jews and Christians from Arabia. Allah's Apostle after conquering Khaybar thought of expelling the Jews from the land which, after he conquered it, belonged to Allah, Allah's Apostle and the Muslims. But the Jews requested Allah's Apostle to leave them there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits (the land would yield). Allah's Apostle said, 'We shall keep you on these terms as long as we wish.' Thus they stayed till the time of Umar's Caliphate when he expelled them."
Tabari VIII:130 "The Messenger said during his final illness, 'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: 'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia."
Ishaq:517 "Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle's squadron, fully armed, powerful, and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust."
Ishaq:524 "We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they swear falsely."
Qur'an 59:14 "They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships. Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense."
Ishaq:245 "Do you love Jews and their religion, you liver-hearted ass, and not Muhammad? Their religion will never march with ours.... Jews make false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: 'Satan wishes to lead them astray."
Ishaq:248 "Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, 'They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.'"
Tabari VII:158 "The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir Jews for fifteen days. In the end they made peace with him on the condition that the Prophet would not shed their blood and that their property and possessions would be his."
Qur'an 5:13 "But because of their breach of their covenant We cursed the Jews, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places [the illiterate prophet pronounced] and forget and abandon a good part of the message that was sent them. Nor will you cease to find deceit in them. And because of their breaking their covenant We have cursed them. They altered words from their context and they neglected a portion of the message they were reminded of."
Qur'an 5:41 "Or it be among the Jews, men who will listen to any lie. They change the context of the words from their (right) times and places.... For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.""
Qur'an 5:42 "They are fond of listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden; they are greedy for illicit gain!"
Qur'an 5:44 "It was We who revealed the Torah. By its standard the prophets judged the Jews, and the prophets bowed (in Islam) to Allah's will, surrendering. For the rabbis and priests: to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Scripture Book; they were witnesses of it. Therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My revelations for a miserable price."
Qur'an 5:64 "The Jews say: 'Allah's hands are fettered.' Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the blasphemy they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched, giving [Muslims Jewish booty] as He pleases. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Doom. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah does extinguish it. But they strive to do mischief on earth."
Qur'an 98:1 "Those among the People of the Book, who disbelieve and are idolaters, would never have been freed from their false religion if the Clear Proofs had not come to them. An Apostle of Allah came reading out of hallowed pages.... They were commanded to serve Allah exclusively, fulfilling their devotional obligations, and paying the zakat. Surely the unbelievers and idolaters from the People of the Book will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures."
Qur'an 5:78 "Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled."
Qur'an 5:80 "You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide."
Qur'an 5:81 "If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had been revealed to him."
Qur'an 5:82 "You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims."
Ishaq:262 "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse."
Qur'an 2:59 "We sent a plague upon the Jews from heaven, for their evil-doing."
Bukhari:V4B56N679 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Plague is a means of torture sent on the Israelis.'"
Bukhari:V2B23N457 "The Prophet went out after sunset and heard a dreadful voice. He said, 'The Jews are being punished in their graves.'"
Qur'an 17:7 "We shall rouse Our (Muslim) slaves to shame and ravage you (Jews), disfiguring your faces. They will enter the Temple as before and destroy, laying to waste all that they conquer."
Bukhari:V1B4N147 "People say, 'Whenever you sit for answering the call of nature, you should not face the Qiblah of Jerusalem.' I told them. 'Once I went up the roof of our house and I saw Allah's Apostle answering the call of nature while sitting on two bricks facing Jerusalem."
Ishaq:239 "About this time Jewish rabbis showed hostility to the Apostle in envy, hatred, and malice, because Allah had chosen His Apostle from the Arabs. The Jews considered the Prophet a liar and strove against Islam."
Ishaq:239 "Jewish rabbis used to annoy the Apostle with questions, introducing confusion." "Qur'ans used to come down in reference to their questions."
Ishaq:240 "Labid bewitched Allah's Apostle so that he could not come at his wives. These Jewish rabbis opposed the apostle, they asked questions and stirred up trouble against Islam trying to extinguish it."
Ishaq:240 "I concealed the matter from the Jews and then went to the Apostle and said, 'The Jews are a nation of liars and I want you to give me a house and hide me from them. If they learn I've become a Muslim, they'll utter slanderous lies against me.' So the prophet gave me a house, and when the Jews came, I emerged and said, 'O Jews, fear Allah and accept what He has sent you. For you know that he is the Apostle of Allah. You will find him described in your Torah and even named.' They accused me of lying and reviled me. I told Muhammad, 'The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.'"
Ishaq:241 "Mukhayriq was a learned rabbi owning much property in date palms. He recognized the Apostle by his description and felt a predilection for his religion. He violated the Sabbath to fight on behalf of Islam and was killed in battle. I am told the Prophet used to say, 'Mukhayriq is the best of the Jews [a dead one].' The Apostle took his property."
Ishaq:242 "Julas the Jew used to say, 'If Muhammad is right we are worse than donkeys.' Allah sent down concerning him: 'They swear that they did not say it, when they did say the words of unbelief.... Allah will afflict them with a painful punishment in this world and in the next.' [Qur'an 9:75] Ishaq:242 "The Apostle ordered Umar to kill him, but he escaped to Mecca."
Ishaq:246 "The surah of the Hypocrites came down because some men sent secret messages to the Nadir Jews when the Apostle besieged them.... Allah bears witness that they are liars. Like Satan when he says to men, "Disbelieve."' [59:11]
Qur'an 59:14 "They are a divided people devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so both of them will end up in Hell."
Qur'an 59:2 "It was He [Allah] who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their [Medina] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. You did not think that they would go away. And they imagined that their settlement would protect them against Allah. But Allah's [actually Muhammad's] (torment) came at them from where they did not suspect and terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson O men who have eyes. This is My warning. Had Allah not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them into the desert, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the next they shall taste the torment of Hell Fire."
Ishaq:251 "Moses commanded them to prostrate themselves and his Lord spoke to him and they heard His voice giving them commands and prohibitions so that they understood what they heard. But when Moses went back to the Jews a party of them changed the Commandments they had been given." [2:75]
Ishaq:252 "Have you no understanding? Why do you maintain that he is not a prophet since you know that Allah has made a Covenant with you that you should follow him? While he tells you that he is the prophet whom you are expecting, and that you will find him in Our book, you oppose him and do not recognize him. You reject his prophethood on mere opinion."
Ishaq:253 "Allah cursed them for their unbelief. When a scripture comes to them from Allah confirming what they already have, they deny it. Allah's curse is on them."
Ishaq:254 "In the pagan era the Jews were scripture folk and we were pagans. They used to say, 'Soon a prophet will be sent whom we shall follow.' When Allah sent his Apostle from the Quraysh and we followed him they denied him. Allah revealed, 'When there comes to him one they recognize, they deny him. They are wretched, so Allah cursed them, and He will give them a shameful punishment.' The double anger is His wrath because they have disregarded the Torah and anger because they disbelieved in this Prophet whom Allah has sent to them." [2:89]
Ishaq:254 "Long for death [Jews], if you are truthful. Pray that God will kill whichever one of us is the most false. The Jews refused the Prophet's dare." "Allah said to His Prophet, 'They will never accept your dare because of their past deeds. But they recognize you from the knowledge they have. Yet they deny. Had they accepted your dare, not a single Jew would have remained alive on the earth." [2:94]
Ishaq:254 "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. The Jew knows the shameful thing that awaits him in the next life because he has wasted the knowledge he has." [2:96]
Ishaq:255 "Jewish rabbis came to the Apostle and asked him to answer four questions saying, 'If you do so we will follow you, testify to your truth, and believe in you.' They began, 'Why does a boy resemble his mother when the semen comes from the father?' Muhammad replied, 'Do you not know that a man's semen is white and thick and a woman's is yellow and thin? The likeness goes with that which comes to the top.' 'Agreed,' the rabbis proclaimed.... The rabbis said. 'But Muhammad, your spirit is an enemy to us, an angel who comes only with violence and the shedding of blood, and were it not for that we would follow you."
Ishaq:255 "So Allah sent down concerning them: 'When the Apostle comes to them from Allah confirming that which they have received in scripture, they put it behind their backs as if they did not know it. They follow that which Satan read concerning the kingdom of Solomon - sorcery.' One of the rabbis said, 'Don't you wonder at Muhammad? He alleges that Solomon was a prophet, and yet he was nothing but a sorcerer.' So Allah sent down, 'Solomon did not disbelieve but Satan did, practicing sorcery.'" [2:101]
Ishaq:256 "The Apostle wrote a letter to the Jews of Khaybar [before he annihilated them]. In the name of Allah, from Muhammad the Apostle of Allah, friend and brother of Moses who confirms what Moses brought [the Torah]. Allah says to you, 'O Scripture folk, and you will find it in your scripture "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those with him are severe against the unbelievers. You see them bowing, falling prostrate, seeking bounty, and acceptance. The mark of their prostrations is on their foreheads." That is their likeness in the Torah and in the Gospels.'"
Ishaq:256 "The Jews used to ask Muhammad questions which annoyed and confused him." Ishaq:257 "Your situation seems obscure to us, Muhammad."
Ishaq:257 "'O Jews, fear Allah and submit, for you used to hope for the Messiah's help against the Arabs when we were pagans. You told us that he would be sent and then told us about him.' A Jew responded, 'Muhammad has not shown us anything we recognize as prophetic. He is not the one we spoke to you about.' So Allah revealed, 'We confirmed what they had, and We sent one they recognized, but they rejected him so We are cursing them.' The Jews replied, 'No Covenant was ever made with us about Muhammad.'" "'Muhammad, you have not brought anything we recognize. And God has not sent down any sign or miracle suggesting that we should believe you.' So Allah said, 'We have sent down to you plain signs and only evildoers disbelieve them.'"
Ishaq:257 "The Jews told Allah's Messenger, 'Bring us a book. Bring us something down from heaven that we might read it.'"
Ishaq:258 "The Jews used to turn men away from Islam. So Allah said, 'Many Scripture folk wish to make you unbelievers after you have believed. They are envious. Be indulgent until Allah gives you his orders [to rob them, rape them, sell them into slavery, and murder them.]"
Ishaq:262 "Some Muslims remained friends with Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse." "You believe in their Book [though you don't have a clue what it says] while they deny your book, so you have more right to hate them than they have to hate you."
Ishaq:263 "Abu Bakr went into a Jewish school [there is no mention of him ever going into a Muslim school] and found many pupils gathered around Finhas, a learned rabbi. Bakr told the Jews to fear Allah and submit. He told them that they would find that Muhammad was an Apostle written in the Torah and Gospels. Finhas replied, 'Why does your god ask us to lend him money as your master pretends.' Abu was enraged and hit Finhas hard in the face [for telling the truth]. Were it not for the treaty between us I would cut off your head, you enemy of Allah. So Allah said, 'They will taste Our punishment of burning.'"
Ishaq:264 "Allah revealed concerning Finhas and the other rabbis: 'Allah issued orders to those who had received the Book: 'You are to make it clear to men and not conceal it, yet they cast the Torah behind their backs and sold it for a small price. Wretched was their exchange. They will therefore receive a painful punishment.'"
Ishaq:264 "The Torah confirms what Muhammad brought. Rifa'a, a notable Jew, spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue: 'Give us your attention, Muhammad, so that we can make you understand.' Then he attacked Islam and reviled it. So Allah sent down, 'Allah knows about your enemies. Some Jews change words from their contexts and say: "We hear and disobey," twisting their tongues and attacking the religion. But Allah cursed them.'" [2:59 & 4:47]
Ishaq:264 "The Jewish rabbis knew that Muhammad had brought them the truth, but they denied that they knew it. They were obstinate. So Allah revealed, 'People of the Book, believe in what we have sent down in confirmation of what you had been given before or We will efface your features and turn your face into your ass, cursing you.'"
Ishaq:269 "'Tell us when the Day of Doom will be, Muhammad, if you are a prophet as you say.' So Allah sent down, 'They will ask you about the hour when it will come to pass. Say, only my Lord knows of it. None but He will reveal it at its proper time. Say, 'Only Allah knows about it but most men do not know.' How can we follow you, Muhammad, when you have abandoned our Qiblah? And you do not allege that Uzayr [who knows?] is the son of God.' So Allah revealed, 'The Jews say that Uzayr is the son of God [no they don't] and the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. That is what they say with their mouths, copying the speech of those who disbelieved in the earlier times. Allah fight them! How perverse are they?'"
Ishaq:269 "'For our part we don't see how your Qur'an recitals are arranged anything like our Torah is.' [So Muhammad who couldn't read said,] 'You know quite well that the Qur'an is from Allah. You will find it written in the Torah which you have.'"
Ishaq:269 "'If men and jinn [demons] came together to produce its like they could not.' Finhas said, 'Did men or jinn tell you this, Muhammad?' 'You know full well that the Qur'an is from Allah and that I am the Apostle of Allah. You will find it written in the Torah you have.' The rabbi replied, 'When God sends a prophet, He provides for him, so bring us a book that is divinely inspired that we may read it and determine if you are telling the truth. We can produce our Book.' So Allah revealed, concerning their words, 'Though men and jinn should meet to produce this Qur'an, they would not produce its like, even working together.'"
Qur'an 2:40 "O Children of Israel, remember the favors I bestowed on you. So keep My Covenant so that I fulfil your covenant. Fear Me. And believe in what I sent down, confirming and verifying the Scripture which you possess already."
Qur'an 2:41 "Be not the first to deny or sell My Verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone." [Another translation reads:] "Part not with My Revelations for a trifling price, getting a small gain by selling My Verses."
Qur'an 2:43 "[Jews] Perform prayer; pay the zakat tax; bow down and prostrate yourself with Ar-Raki'un (the obedient bowers). You read, recite, and study the Scripture. Why don't you understand? Nay, seek [Islamic prostration] prayer: It is indeed hard, heavy, and exacting, except for those who obey in submission."
Qur'an 2:59 "The [Jewish] transgressors changed and perverted the word from that which had been spoken to them to a word distorted; so We sent a plague upon them from heaven, for their evil-doing."
Qur'an 2:61 "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved Allah's Proofs, Signs and Verses and killed the prophets. They disobeyed and rebelled."
Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. You know that you have broken the sanctity of the Sabbath, so We said: 'Become monkeys despised and hated.' We made this punishment an example and a warning for those who fear Allah."
Qur'an 2:79 "But woe to the Jews who fake the Scriptures and say, 'This is from God,' so that they might earn some profit thereby.' And woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn from it.'"
Qur'an 2:80 "Yet they (Jews) say: 'The Fire will not touch us for more than a few days...but they are enclosed in error and are inmates of Hell."
Qur'an 2:85 "Do you [Jews] believe a part of the Book and reject a part? There is no reward for them who so act but disgrace in the world, and on the Day of Doom, the severest of punishment...their torment will never decrease!"
Qur'an 2:89 "The Book was sent to them (the Jews) by Allah verifying and confirming what had been revealed to them already (the Torah and Gospel). They used to pray for victory over the unbelievers - and even though they recognized it when it came to them, they renounced it. The curse of Allah be on those who deny!"
Qur'an 2:101 "When there came a messenger from Allah confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the (Torah and Gospel) Scripture Book fling away the Book of Allah, tossing it behind their backs, as if they did not know!"
Qur'an 2:109 "Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you [Muslim] (people) back to infidelity after you have believed [submitted], through selfish envy, even after the Truth has become manifest to them. Indulge them until Allah issues his orders."
Tabari VII:26 "When the Prophet came to Yathrib he saw the Jews fasting on Ashura day. He questioned them, and they said it was the day upon which God drowned Pharaoh and saved Moses from the Egyptians. He said, 'We have a better right to Moses than you do.'"
Tabari VII:85 "After Muhammad killed many Quraysh polytheists at Badr, the Jews were envious and behaved badly toward him, saying, 'Muhammad has not met anyone who is good at fighting. Had he met us, he would have had a real battle.' They also infringed the treaty in various ways."
Ishaq:232 "The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are fighting alongside the believers. The Jews have their religion, the Muslims have theirs. None of them shall go out to war unless they have Muhammad's permission. The Jews must pay, however, for as long as the war lasts. If any dispute or controversy should arise it must be referred to Allah and Muhammad, His Apostle. If the Jews are called to make peace they must, except in the case of Holy War. Allah approves of this document."
Tabari VII:85 "What happened to the Qaynuqa [the wealthiest Jewish tribe in Yathrib] was that Muhammad assembled them in their Marketplace and said, 'Jews, beware lest Allah brings on you the kind of vengeance which He brought on the Quraysh. Accept Islam [submit] and become Muslims [surrender]. You know that I am a Prophet. You will find me in your Scriptures and in Allah's Covenant with you.'"
Ishaq:363 "The Jews of the Qaynuqa replied, 'Muhammad, do you think that we are like your people? Do not be deluded by the fact that you met a people with no knowledge and you made good use of your opportunity.'"
Tabari VII:85 "The Qaynuqa were the first Jews to infringe the agreement between them and the Messenger." [We are not told how they "infringed." "The campaign of the Prophet against the Banu Qaynuqa was in Shawwal (March 27, 624) in the second year of the Hijrah [migration from Mecca]."
Tabari VII:86 "Gabriel brought down the following verse to the Messenger: 'If you apprehend treachery from any people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them.' [8:58] When Gabriel had finished delivering this verse, the Prophet said, 'I fear the Qaynuqa.' It was on the basis of this verse that Muhammad advanced on them."
Ishaq:363 "Allah's Apostle besieged the Qaynuqa until they surrendered at his discretion unconditionally."
Tabari VII:86 "Abd Allah [a Yathrib chief] rose up when Allah had put them in his power, and said, 'Muhammad, treat my ally well, for the Qaynuqa are a confederate of the Khazraj.' The Prophet ignored him, so Abd Allah repeated his request." Ishaq:363 "The Prophet turned away from him so Abd Allah put his hand on the collar of the Messenger's robe. Muhammad said, 'Let go of me!' He was so angry his face turned black. Then he said, 'Damn you, let me go!' Abd Allah replied, 'No, by God, I will not let you go until you treat my ally humanely. There are seven hundred men among them who defended me from my foes when I needed their help. And now, you would mow them down in a single morning? By God I do not feel safe around here any more. I am afraid of what the future may have in store.' So the Messenger said, 'You can have them.'"
Tabari VII:87 "The Prophet said, 'Let them go; may Allah curse them, and may he curse Abd Allah with them.' So the Muslims let them go. Then Muhammad [went back on his word and] gave orders to expel the Jews. Allah gave their property as booty to his Messenger. The Qaynuqa did not have any farmland, as they were goldsmiths. The Prophet took many weapons belonging to them and the tools of their trade. The person who took charge of their expulsion from Yathrib along with their children was Ubadah. He accompanied them as far as Dhubab, saying: 'The farther you go the better.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N362 "He exiled all the Qaynuqa Jews from Medina."
Ishaq:364 "Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate."
Ishaq:364 "'I fear this change of circumstance may end up overtaking us.' So Allah replied, 'He will be sorry for his thoughts. True believers perform prostrations, they pay the tax, they bow in homage, and renounce their agreements with the Jews. They are Hezbollah - Allah's Party.'"
Qur'an 59:2 "It was Allah who drove the (Jewish) People from their [Yathrib] homes and into exile. They refused to believe. They imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah's Torment came at them from where they did not suspect. He terrorized them. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson. This is My warning. Had I not decreed the expulsion of the Jews, banishing them to the desert, I would have punished them. They shall taste the torment of Hell Fire." Qur'an 59:4 "That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger. If any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment."
Qur'an 59:6 "What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away from the Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish) people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle."
Tabari VII:94 "The Murder of Ka'b bin Ashraf, The Evil Genius of the Jews: The Prophet sent messengers to the people of Medina announcing the good news of the victory granted to him by Allah at Badr. They listed the names of the polytheists they had killed." Ishaq:365 "Ka'b bin Ashraf was from the Jewish clan of Nadir. When he heard the news, he said, 'Can this be true? Did Muhammad actually kill these people? These were fine men. If Muhammad has slain them, then the belly of the earth is a better place for us than its surface!'" Ishaq:365 "When the enemy of Allah became convinced the report was true, he set out for Mecca. He began to arouse people against Muhammad [i.e., he exposed him]. He recited verses in sympathy for the Quraysh men Muhammad had cast into the pit. Ka'b Ashraf composed the following poetic lines: 'The blood spilled at Badr calls to its people. They cry and weep. The best men were slain and thrown into a pit.'" Ishaq:365 "Drive off that fool of yours so that you might be safe from talk that makes no sense. Why do you taunt those who mourn over their dead? They lived good lives, and as such we must remember them. But now you have become like jackals."
Tabari VII:94 "The Prophet said, 'Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Muhammad bin Maslamah, said, 'I will rid you of him, Messenger of Allah. I will kill him.' 'Do it then,' he said, 'if you can.'"
Bukhari:V4B52N270 "The Prophet said, 'Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Muhammad bin Maslama said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Do you want me to kill him?' He replied in the affirmative."
Ishaq:365 "'Who will rid me of Ashraf?' Maslama said, 'I will deal with him for you. O Apostle, I will kill him.' Muhammad said, 'Do so if you can.'"
Ishaq:365
Tabari VII:94 "Muhammad bin Maslamah said, 'O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.' 'Say what you like,' Muhammad replied. 'You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.'"
Tabari VII:94
Ishaq:367 "Maslamah made a plan to kill Ka'b, the enemy of Allah. Before they went to him, they sent Abu ahead. When he arrived, they spoke together for a while. They recited verses, for Abu was something of a poet. Then Abu said, 'Ka'b, I have come to you about a matter which I want you to keep secret.' 'Go ahead,' he replied. 'The arrival of the Prophet Muhammad has been an affliction for us.' Abu said, 'Most Arabs are now hostile to us. We cannot travel along the roads, and the result is that our families are facing ruin. We are all suffering.' Ka'b replied, 'I warned you that things would turn out like this.' Abu said, 'I would like you to sell us some food. We will give you some collateral and make a firm contract. Please treat us generously.'"
Tabari VII:95 "Abu said, 'We will deposit sufficient weapons with you to guarantee the payment of our debt.' Abu wanted to fool the Jew so that he would not be suspicious about the weapons when they came bearing them. Abu went back to his companions, informed them of what had happened. He told them to grab their swords and join him. Before leaving, they went to the house of the Messenger. Muhammad walked with them as far as Baqi al-Gharqad. Then he sent them off, saying, 'Go in Allah's name; O Allah, help them [assassinate the outspoken Jew]!' Then the Prophet went back home. It was a moonlit night, and they went forward until they reached Ka'b's house."
Ishaq:368 "Then Abu called out to him. He had recently married, and he leapt up in his bed. His wife took hold of the sheets, and said to the strange voice, 'You are a fighting man; as only a man of war leaves his house at an hour like this."
Bukhari:V5B59N369 "His wife asked him, 'Where are you going?' Ka'b replied, 'Out with Muhammad bin Maslamah and my brother Abu.' His wife said, 'I hear evil in his voice as if his words are dripping blood.' Ka'b said. 'They are my brother and my foster brother. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.'"
Muslim:B19N4436 "Muhammad said to his companions: 'As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head, I will touch his hair and smell it. When you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. When I hold him fast, you do your job.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N369 "Muhammad said. 'I have never smelt a better perfume than this,' so that Ka'b would relax his guard. 'Will you allow me to smell your head?' Then Abu thrust his hand into the hair near his temple. When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said, 'Strike the enemy of Allah!' So they smote him."
Ishaq:368 "Their swords rained blows upon him, but to no avail. Muhammad bin Maslamah said, 'When I saw that they were ineffective, I remembered a long, thin dagger which I had in my scabbard. I took hold of it. By this time the enemy of Allah had shouted so loudly lamps had been lit in the homes around us. I plunged the dagger into his breast and pressed upon it so heavily that it reached his pubic region. Allah's enemy fell to the ground.'"
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Ishaq:368 "We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.'"
Ishaq:368 "Ka'b's body was left prostrate. After his fall, all the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet."
Tabari VII:97 "The next morning, the Jews were in a state of fear on account of our attack upon the enemy of Allah. After the assassination, the Prophet declared, 'Kill every Jew.'"
Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
Tabari VII:97
Ishaq:369 "Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim's brother complained, saying, 'Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, 'By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, 'Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!'"
Qur'an 59:14 "The Jews will not unite and fight against you except from behind walls. They hate themselves. You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense. Like those who recently preceded them [the Meccans at Badr], they [the Jews who were just sent into the desert to die] have tasted the evil result of their conduct. And for them a grievous punishment."
Qur'an 59:16 "They [the Jews] are like Satan when he tells man, 'Not to believe,' When (man) denies, Satan says, 'I have nothing to do with you. I fear Allah, the Lord of men and jinn!'"
Qur'an 59:17 "Both [Jews and Satan] will go into the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein forever. Such is the reward of the Zalimun (disbelievers and polytheists)."
Qur'an 62:5 "The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of an ass which carries huge books (but understands them not). Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the Verses of Allah."
Qur'an 62:6 "Say: 'You Jews! If you think that you are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then desire death, if you are truthful!' But never will they long (for death), because of what their hands have done before them! Allah knows well the polytheists! Say: 'The Death from which you flee will truly overtake you.'"
Qur'an 3:65 "You People of the Book! Why dispute you about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you no understanding? Ah! You are those who fell to disputing (even) in matters of which you had some knowledge! But why dispute in matters of which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you who know not!"
Qur'an 3:67 "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah."
Qur'an 3:77 "As for those who sell for a small price the covenant and faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter. Nor will Allah speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleanse them: They shall have a grievous torment, a painful doom. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues. (As they read) you would think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book; and they say, 'That is from God,' but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!"
Qur'an 3:84 "Say (Muhammad): 'We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [of Israel], and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered, bowing our will (in Islam).'"
Qur'an 3:85 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who are losers." Qur'an
3:87 "Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all together. In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty of doom be lightened."
Tabari VII:156
Ishaq:437 "In the fourth year of the Islamic Era the Prophet expelled the Nadir [a large Jewish community in Yathrib] from their homes.
Tabari VII:158 "Call Muhammad bin Maslamah to me.' When Muhammad came, he was told to go to the Jews and say, 'Leave my country. You have intended treachery.' He went and said, 'The Messenger orders you to depart from his country.' They replied, 'We never thought that an Aws would come with such a message.' 'Hearts have changed,' Muhammad said. 'Islam has wiped out our old covenants.'"
Ishaq:437 "The Apostle ordered them to prepare for war and to march against them. Muhammad personally led his men against the Nadir and halted in their quarter. The Jews took refuge against him in their homes, so he ordered their date palms to be cut down and burnt. They shouted, 'Muhammad, you have forbidden wonton destruction of property and have blamed those who perpetrated it. Why are you doing this?'" Qur'an 59:5 "The palm trees you cut down or left standing intact was by Allah's dispensation so that He might disgrace the transgressors."
Ishaq:437 "So Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews. Then the Prophet said, 'The Jews have declared war.'"
Tabari VII:159 "The Messenger of Allah besieged the Banu Nadir for fifteen days until he had reduced them to a state of utter exhaustion, so that they would give him what he wanted. The terms in which the Prophet made peace with the Jews were: he would not shed their blood, he would expel them from their lands and settlements, providing for every three of them a camel and a water-skin." Ishaq:438 "The Jews loaded their camels with their wives, children, and property. There were tambourines, pipes and singing. They went to Khaybar with such splendor as had never been seen from any tribe." Ishaq:438 "The Nadir left their property to Muhammad and it became his personal possession, to do with it as he wished."
Ishaq:438 "Allah wreaked His vengeance on the Jews and gave His Apostle power over them and control to deal with them as he wished. Allah said, 'I turned out those who disbelieved of the Scripture People from their homes. And in the next world I will torment them again with a painful punishment in Hell. The palm trees you cut down were by Allah's permission; they were uprooted on My order. It was not destruction but it was vengeance from Allah to humble the evildoers. The spoil which Allah gave the Apostle from the Nadir belongs to him."
Bukhari:V4B52N153 "The properties of Nadir which Allah had transferred to His Apostle as Booty were not gained by the Muslims with their horses and camels. The properties therefore, belonged especially to Allah's Apostle who used to give his family their yearly expenditure and spend what remained thereof on arms and horses to be used in Allah's Cause."
Bukhari:V4B52N176 "Allah's Apostle said, 'You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, "O Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him."'"
Bukhari:V4B52N177 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
Ishaq:441 "A man who had neither shown treachery nor bad faith haply had a change of fortune and took revenge, cutting down their palm trees and killing the Nadir. A sharp sword in the hand of a brave man kills his adversary. The rabbis were disgraced for they denied mighty Lord Allah." Ishaq:442 "Sword in hand we brought down the Nadir. By Muhammad's order we beguiled them."
Tabari VIII:7 "The Quraysh said: 'Jews, you are the people of the first Scripture, and you have knowledge about the subject on which we and Muhammad have come to differ. Is our religion better or his?' 'Your religion is better,' they said. 'You are closer to the truth than he.'"
Ishaq:450 "They are the ones concerning whom Allah revealed: 'Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Scripture has been given? They believe in idols and false deities. They say, "These are more rightly guided than those who believe?" - until the words, "Hell is sufficient for their burning. They are jealous and Allah has cursed them."'" [4:51]
Tabari VIII:15 "When the news reached Muhammad, he sent Sa'd, chief of the Aws to Ka'b. 'If it is true, speak to me in words that we can understand but that will be unintelligible to others. So he went out and found them engaged in the worst of what had been reported. They slandered the Messenger and said, 'There is no treaty between us.' Sa'd reviled them, and they reviled him. Sa'd was a man with a sharp temper. He told the Jews, 'Stop reviling him for the disagreement between us is too serious for an exchange of taunts.'"
Ishaq:461 "Just before the noon prayers, Gabriel came to the Apostle wearing a gold turban. He was riding a mule. He said, 'Have you laid down your weapons and stopped fighting, Muhammad?' 'Yes,' he replied. Gabriel said, 'The angels have not laid down their arms! I've just returned from pursuing the enemy. Allah commands you to march to the Qurayza. I, too, will attack the Jews and shake them out of their homes.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N443-8 "When the Prophet returned from the Trench, laid down his arms and took a bath, Gabriel came to him covered in dust. "Why have you laid down your sword? We angels have not set them down yet. It's time to go out against them.' The Prophet said, 'Where to go?' Gabriel said, 'This way,' pointing towards the Qurayza. So the Prophet went out to besiege them."
Bukhari:V5B59N444 "The dust rose in the streets of Medina as Gabriel's regiment marched through. The angels joined Allah's Apostle in attacking the Qurayza Jews."
Ishaq:461 "The Messenger commanded a crier to announce that all should heed and obey. He ordered that none should perform the afternoon prayer until after they reached the Qurayza settlement. The Prophet sent Ali ahead with his war banner against the Jews, and the Muslims hastened to it. Ali advanced toward their homes and heard insulting language from the Jews about Allah's Messenger. Ali ran back and told the Prophet that the Jews were rascals and that there was no need for him to go near those wicked men. 'Why?' Muhammad asked. 'Have you heard them insult me?' 'Yes,' Ali answered. 'Had they seen me,' Allah's Apostle replied, 'they would not have said anything of the sort.'"
Tabari VIII:28 "Before reaching the Qurayza, Muhammad greeted his Companions. 'Has anyone passed you?' he asked. 'Yes, Prophet,' they replied. 'Dihyah ibn Khalifah passed us on a white mule with a brocade covered saddle.' Allah's Apostle said, 'That was Gabriel. He was sent to the Qurayza to shake their homes and terrorize them.'"
Tabari VIII:29 "The Prophet said, 'No one should pray the afternoon prayer until they are in the territory of the Qurayza because warfare against the Jews is incumbent upon Muslims.'"
Ishaq:461 "The Muslims had been totally occupied with warlike preparations. They refused to pray until they had come upon the Jews in accordance with Muhammad's order. Allah did not find fault with them in His Book, nor did the Messenger reprimand them for it."
Tabari VIII:28 "When the Messenger approached the Jews, he said, 'You brothers of apes! Allah shamed you and cursed you.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N449 "On the day of the Qurayza siege, Allah's Apostle said to Hassan, 'Abuse them with your poems, for Gabriel is with you.'"
Ishaq:461 "Muhammad besieged them for twenty-five nights. When the siege became too severe, Allah terrorized them. After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka'b Asad. He said, 'Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said, 'Swear allegiance to Muhammad and accept him; for it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'" Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"
Ishaq:462 "Then the Jews asked, 'Send us Abu Lubaba, one of the Aws,' for they were confederates, 'so that we can ask his advice.' The Prophet complied and the Jews grabbed hold of him. The women and children were crying, so he felt pity for them. They said, 'Lubaba, do you think we should submit to Muhammad's judgment?' 'Yes,' he said. But he pointed with his hand to his throat, indicating that it would be slaughter. Lubaba later said, 'As soon as my feet moved, I knew that I had betrayed Allah's Apostle. He rushed away and tied himself to a pillar in the mosque. He cried, 'I will not leave this spot until Allah forgives me for what I've done. I betrayed His Apostle.'" Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:32 "I heard Allah's Apostle laughing at daybreak; so I said, 'Why are you laughing, Prophet? May Allah make you laugh heartily!' He replied, 'Lubaba has been forgiven.'" Ishaq:463 "He vanished into the night. It is not known to this day what happened to him. Some allege that he was bound with a rotten rope and cast away."
Tabari VIII:33 "In the morning, the Jews submitted to the judgment of Allah's Messenger. The Aws [Medina Muslims] leapt up and said, 'Muhammad, they are our allies. You know what you did the other day with the allies of the Khazraj [another tribe of Medina Muslims]!' Before besieging the Qurayza, the Messenger had besieged the Qaynuqa, who were the confederates of the Khazraj. They had submitted to his judgment and were banished."
Bukhari:V5B59N448 "Sa'd said, 'O Allah! You know that there is nothing more beloved to me than to fight in Your Cause against those who disbelieve Your Apostle. If there remains any fight with the infidels, then keep me alive till I fight against them for Your sake.'"
Ishaq:463 "En route to Muhammad, the Aws said, 'Treat our client well for the Prophet has put you in charge of this matter. After many requests, Sa'd said, 'The time has come for Sa'd, in the Cause of Allah, not to be influenced by anyone's reproach.' Some of the people who heard him, announced the impending death of the Qurayza before Sa'd Mu'adh reached them because of the words he had said."
Ishaq:463
Tabari VIII:34 "When Sa'd reached the Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, the Prophet said, 'Pass judgment on them.' Sa'd replied, 'I pass judgment that their men shall be killed, their women and children made captives, and their property divided.' Allah's Apostle proclaimed, 'You have passed judgment on the Jews with the judgment of Allah and the judgment of His Messenger.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N362 "So the Prophet killed the Qurayza men. He distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims."
Tabari VIII:39 "After the affair of the Qurayza ended, the wound of Sa'd broke open. He prayed saying, 'O Allah, You know that there are no men whom I would rather fight and kill than men who called Your Messenger a liar.'"
Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before." [Version two:] "And He drove the People of the Scripture down from their homes and cast panic into their hearts. Some you killed, and you made some captive. And He caused you to inherit their farms, houses, wealth, and land you have not trodden."
Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men. As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to one another, 'What do you think will be done to us?' Someone said, 'Do you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!' The affair continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all."
Tabari VIII:40 "Allah's Apostle commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."
Tabari VIII:35
Ishaq:464 "Huyayy, the enemy of Allah, was brought out. He was wearing a rose-colored suit of clothes that he had torn all over with fingertip-sized holes so that it would not be taken as booty. His hands were bound to his neck with a rope. When he looked at Muhammad he said, 'I do not regret opposing you. Whoever forsakes God will be damned.' He sat down and was beheaded."
Ishaq:464
Tabari VIII:36 "According to Aisha, one Jewish woman was killed. She was by my side, talking with me while Allah's Messenger was killing her men in the marketplace."
Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Ishaq:465 "When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us."
Ishaq:465 "Then the Apostle divided the property, wives, and children of the Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah's Messenger took his fifth of the booty. He made known on that day the extra shares for horses and their riders - giving the horse two shares and the rider one. It was the first booty in which lots were cast."
Tabari VIII:38 "According to this example (Sunnah), the procedure of the Messenger of Allah in the divisions of booty became a precedent which was followed in subsequent raids."
Tabari VIII:39 "Then the Messenger of Allah sent Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms."
Tabari VIII:38 "The Prophet selected for himself from among the Jewish women of the Qurayza, Rayhanah. She became his concubine. When he predeceased her, she was still in his possession. When the Messenger of Allah took her as a captive, she showed herself averse to Islam and insisted on Judaism."
Ishaq:466 "The Apostle chose one of the Jewish women for himself. Her name was Rayhanah. She remained with him until she died, in his power. The Apostle proposed to marry her and put the veil on her but she said, 'Leave me under your power, for that will be easier. She showed a repugnance towards Islam when she was captured."
Ishaq:466 "Allah sent down [a surah] concerning the Trench and Qurayza raid. The account is found in the Allied Troops. In it He mentions their trial and His kindness to the Muslims."
Ishaq:468 "Allah brought down the People of the Scripture Book. I forced the Qurayza from their homes and cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you took captive. You killed their men and enslaved their women and children. And I caused you to inherit their land, their dwellings, and their property. Allah can do all things.'"
Ishaq:479 "Slain in Allah's religion, Sa'd inherits Paradise with the martyrs. His was a noble testimony. When he pronounced his verdict on the Qurayza, he did not judge on his own volition. His judgment and Allah's were one. Sa'd is among those who sold his life for the Garden of Bliss." Ishaq:469 "An Ansar [Muslim] recited this poem: 'The throne of Allah shook for only one man: Sa'd the brave and bold, a glorious leader, a knight ever ready. Stepping into the battle, he cut heads to pieces."
Ishaq:469 "On the day the Qurayza Jews were slain, one Muslim was martyred. A stone was thrown on him and it inflicted a shattering wound. The Apostle said, 'He will have the reward of two martyrs.'"
Ishaq:475 "Allah commanded that horses should be kept for His enemy in the fight so they might vex them. We obeyed our Prophet's orders when he called us to war. When he called for violent efforts we made them. The Prophet's command is obeyed for he is truly believed. He will give us victory, glory, and a life of ease. Those [Jews] who call Muhammad a liar disbelieve and go astray. They attacked our religion and would not submit."
Ishaq:481 "The Apostle slew them in their own town. With our troops he surrounded their homes. We shouted out cries in the heat of battle. The Jews were given the Scripture and wasted it. Being blind, [the illiterate man said] they strayed from the Torah. You Jews disbelieved the Qur'an and yet you have tasted the confirmation of what it said. May Allah make our raid on them immortal. May fire burn in their quarter. They will no longer ruin our lands. You [Jews] have no place here, so be off!"
Ishaq:480 "The Qurayza met their misfortune [now there's an understated word]. In humiliation they found no helper. A calamity worse than that which fell upon the Nadir befell them. On that day Allah's Apostle came to them like a brilliant moon. We left them with blood upon them like a pool. They lay prostrate with the vultures circling round."
Barakuda1, boš odgovoril na svoj izziv?
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Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
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Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
svit ::
Model... ni ti treba ravno pastati celoten koran in sveto pismo v temo. Sicer pa... tvoj kreg o tem, kako je krščanstvo boljše od islama, je enakovredno kregu med privržencem teorije o ravni zemlji in privržencem teorije o svetu postavljenem na velikanski želvi...
Reference imaš slabe.
Reference imaš slabe.
Ni ideje
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T-h-o-r ::
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
Why have a civilization anymore
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
Bistri007 ::
Svit, model, pa ravno ti se oglašaš!!!
Ravno zaradi tebe sem začel vse to pregovarjanje!
Kaj si napisal v tej temi v svojem postu z 10. apr 2008, 17:16:12?
1. Ne ni bilo enako orožje. Fitna je dosti boljši film kot oni s citatom, kako naj gremo danes tepsti Amaleka.
2. Je kakšna razlika med Koranom in Svetim pismom? Najbrž je, kot razlika med nočjo in sočnim dnevom.
3. Obe strani enako zaslepljeni in bolni? Preštej moje citate iz Islama in Barakuda1-ove citate.
Model... ni ti treba ravno pastati celoten koran in sveto pismo v temo. Sicer pa... tvoj kreg o tem, kako je krščanstvo boljše od islama, je enakovredno kregu med privržencem teorije o ravni zemlji in privržencem teorije o svetu postavljenem na velikanski želvi...
Reference imaš slabe.
Ravno zaradi tebe sem začel vse to pregovarjanje!
Kaj si napisal v tej temi v svojem postu z 10. apr 2008, 17:16:12?
No... pa so tudi muslimani odgovorili z enakim orožjem... Je kakšna razlika med Koranom in Svetim pismom??
Link
Kdo se tukaj igra pravičnika? Ali nista obe strani enako zaslepljeni in bolni?
1. Ne ni bilo enako orožje. Fitna je dosti boljši film kot oni s citatom, kako naj gremo danes tepsti Amaleka.
2. Je kakšna razlika med Koranom in Svetim pismom? Najbrž je, kot razlika med nočjo in sočnim dnevom.
3. Obe strani enako zaslepljeni in bolni? Preštej moje citate iz Islama in Barakuda1-ove citate.
Največja napaka desetletja je bila narejena 4. novembra 2008
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
zee ::
oba sveta spisa sta namenjena zavajanju, zasleplepljevanju in manipulaciji nevednega ljudstva, zato se vse religije bolj ali manj borijo proti napredku, saj bi napredek znanosti in tehnike, etike in morale pokazal, da so religije kot take preživete inštitucije in kot take ne morejo in ne smejo določevati kateri položaj pri spolnem odnosu (zamenjaj s poljubnim) je "najboljši" in katero meso (zamenjaj s poljubnim) je boljše, "bolj čisto" od kakšnega drugega.
obe strani sta enako zaslepljeni in bolni? Da, bolj se ne bi mogel strinjati, bistvena razlika med obema inštitucijama (primerjam RKC in islam) je, da RKC ne cilja na "world domination" krščanstva (tega namreč nisem zasledil v Svetem pismu), za razliko od islama, ki ima to eksplicitno omenjeno v svojih svetih spisih.
obe strani sta enako zaslepljeni in bolni? Da, bolj se ne bi mogel strinjati, bistvena razlika med obema inštitucijama (primerjam RKC in islam) je, da RKC ne cilja na "world domination" krščanstva (tega namreč nisem zasledil v Svetem pismu), za razliko od islama, ki ima to eksplicitno omenjeno v svojih svetih spisih.
zee
Linux: Be Root, Windows: Re Boot
Giant Amazon and Google Compute Cloud in the Sky.
Linux: Be Root, Windows: Re Boot
Giant Amazon and Google Compute Cloud in the Sky.
svit ::
Svit, model, pa ravno ti se oglašaš!!!
Model... ni ti treba ravno pastati celoten koran in sveto pismo v temo. Sicer pa... tvoj kreg o tem, kako je krščanstvo boljše od islama, je enakovredno kregu med privržencem teorije o ravni zemlji in privržencem teorije o svetu postavljenem na velikanski želvi...
Reference imaš slabe.
Ravno zaradi tebe sem začel vse to pregovarjanje!
Kaj si napisal v tej temi v svojem postu z 10. apr 2008, 17:16:12?
No... pa so tudi muslimani odgovorili z enakim orožjem... Je kakšna razlika med Koranom in Svetim pismom??
Link
Kdo se tukaj igra pravičnika? Ali nista obe strani enako zaslepljeni in bolni?
1. Ne ni bilo enako orožje. Fitna je dosti boljši film kot oni s citatom, kako naj gremo danes tepsti Amaleka.
2. Je kakšna razlika med Koranom in Svetim pismom? Najbrž je, kot razlika med nočjo in sočnim dnevom.
3. Obe strani enako zaslepljeni in bolni? Preštej moje citate iz Islama in Barakuda1-ove citate.
Bisrti: ja... ravno jaz se oglašam. Zaradi mene lahko nalepiš še 200 strani svetega pisma oziroma korana, h tvoji argumentaciji pa ne bo dosti pripomoglo. Moj point je bil v tem, da sta obe religiji že v temelju napačni. A razumeš kaj hočem povedati? Vse poznejše izpeljave so potem napačne, pa če so še tako "lepe" in "upravičene". Matematično razloženo: če se pri dokazovanju nekega izreka zmotiš že na začetku, bo končni rezultat napačen, četudi se držiš vseh (znanstvenih, matematičnih) pravil. Za to se gre.
Ni ideje
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Bistri007 ::
Svit:
Ne, tvoj point je bil o enakosti. Glej moje točke 1. (amalek filmček je isto orožje kot fitna filmček), 2. (je kakšna razlika med K in SP?), 3. (obe strani enako zaslepljeni in bolni). Ali si si premislil glede teh izjav?
svit> Moj point je bil v tem, da sta obe religiji že v temelju napačni.
To boš moral pa še dokazati. Ali so vse religije napačne, ali samo ti dve? Kaj pa hinduizem, budizem, judaizem, daoizem??? Pa ne mi tukaj kakšnega Zdenka Roterja citirat, prosim
Moj point je bil v tem, da sta obe religiji že v temelju napačni. A razumeš kaj hočem povedati? Vse poznejše izpeljave so potem napačne, pa če so še tako "lepe" in "upravičene". Matematično razloženo: če se pri dokazovanju nekega izreka zmotiš že na začetku, bo končni rezultat napačen, četudi se držiš vseh (znanstvenih, matematičnih) pravil. Za to se gre.
Ne, tvoj point je bil o enakosti. Glej moje točke 1. (amalek filmček je isto orožje kot fitna filmček), 2. (je kakšna razlika med K in SP?), 3. (obe strani enako zaslepljeni in bolni). Ali si si premislil glede teh izjav?
svit> Moj point je bil v tem, da sta obe religiji že v temelju napačni.
To boš moral pa še dokazati. Ali so vse religije napačne, ali samo ti dve? Kaj pa hinduizem, budizem, judaizem, daoizem??? Pa ne mi tukaj kakšnega Zdenka Roterja citirat, prosim
Največja napaka desetletja je bila narejena 4. novembra 2008
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
poweroff ::
Kaj pa če so napačne vse, razen ene? Katera je ta ena?
Ja "moja", seveda.
To je tvoj / vaš edini kriterij. Žalostno.
Ja "moja", seveda.
To je tvoj / vaš edini kriterij. Žalostno.
sudo poweroff
bili_39 ::
To boš moral pa še dokazati. Ali so vse religije napačne, ali samo ti dve? Kaj pa hinduizem, budizem, judaizem, daoizem??? Pa ne mi tukaj kakšnega Zdenka Roterja citirat, prosim
Hja, ne moreš ravno dokazovat nečesa, kar je nedokazljivo ;)
Bistri007 ::
A trditev, da sta obe religiji že v temelju napačni. se pa sprejme "at face value", kot bi rekli moji prijatelji Američani?
In je sploh ne moreš dokazati, ker je obratno nedokazljivo???
Kdo je zdaj tukaj fundi? A ateist ne more biti fundi?
In je sploh ne moreš dokazati, ker je obratno nedokazljivo???
Kdo je zdaj tukaj fundi? A ateist ne more biti fundi?
Največja napaka desetletja je bila narejena 4. novembra 2008
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
Oni so goljufali in Alah je goljufal, Alah je najboljši prevarant. (Koran 3:54)
Citiraj svetega očeta Benedikta XVI. in postani "persona rudis"...
bili_39 ::
Jah, oboje je prav:
da sta obe napačni
da sta obe pravilni
in oboje je tudi narobe...
Glede ateistov: seveda so lahko fundiji, ampak večina jih je v tem smislu:
veruj v kar hočeš.. in pusti drugim verjeti.
da sta obe napačni
da sta obe pravilni
in oboje je tudi narobe...
Glede ateistov: seveda so lahko fundiji, ampak večina jih je v tem smislu:
veruj v kar hočeš.. in pusti drugim verjeti.
djordjevic ::
In ne gnjavit folku z eno in edino zveličavno Resnico (takšnega ali drugačnega preroka).
grex ::
Če napišem kaj slabega o mohamedu in to objavim, se lahko začnem počasi ozirati čez ramo, morda pa kar body guarda naročim.
Če o jezusu napišem vse možne vulgarnosti tega sveta pa se vse že ustavi na tem, da me označijo za neuglajenega.
Tle je bistvena razlika.
Če o jezusu napišem vse možne vulgarnosti tega sveta pa se vse že ustavi na tem, da me označijo za neuglajenega.
Tle je bistvena razlika.
ripmork ::
grex, to je čisto res.
nekaj stoletij nazaj so te pa sežgali na grmadi, če si omenil da se Zemlja vrti okoli Sonca in ne obratno.
Pa še danes bi te, če bi le institucija imela takšen vpliv, kakršnega je imela.
Pa ga nima več - ker je na "ketni"
in prav je tako.
grdo se sliši, in spet izvenim kot "fundi".
A ko se omeni RKC je pač potrebno gledat na celotno sliko, ne le na današnjne stanje, vsaj to je moje mnenje.
nekaj stoletij nazaj so te pa sežgali na grmadi, če si omenil da se Zemlja vrti okoli Sonca in ne obratno.
Pa še danes bi te, če bi le institucija imela takšen vpliv, kakršnega je imela.
Pa ga nima več - ker je na "ketni"
in prav je tako.
grdo se sliši, in spet izvenim kot "fundi".
A ko se omeni RKC je pač potrebno gledat na celotno sliko, ne le na današnjne stanje, vsaj to je moje mnenje.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: ripmork ()
MadMicka ::
Za RKC ne rabimo gledati par sto let nazaj.
Pred dobrimi 50 leti je papež javno nasprotoval udeležbi žensk-športnic na olimpijskih igrah.
Seveda ni imel dovolj moči, da bi udejanil svojo voljo. Če bi jo imel, bi pač danes bilo v EU podobno kot v Iranu. Kjer je na oblasti vera, ni prostora za razum.
Vseeno, katere vrste vera, nobena od njih ni združljiva s sodobnim pojmovanjem človekovih pravic in svobiščin.
To, da je papežu uspelo prepričati nekatere, da je RKC "boljša", kot Islam, je pač še ena v vrsti prevar. Obe sta slabi. Obe sta bili in sta cokla v razvoju človeške družbe.
Pa da se razumemo. Spoštujem duhovnike in cerkev (katerokoli), ker oz. bolj pravilno, ko dajejo uteho ljudem. In to šteje. Ampak, četudi so plusi, to ne pomeni, da se ne sme govoriti o minusih.
Pred dobrimi 50 leti je papež javno nasprotoval udeležbi žensk-športnic na olimpijskih igrah.
Seveda ni imel dovolj moči, da bi udejanil svojo voljo. Če bi jo imel, bi pač danes bilo v EU podobno kot v Iranu. Kjer je na oblasti vera, ni prostora za razum.
Vseeno, katere vrste vera, nobena od njih ni združljiva s sodobnim pojmovanjem človekovih pravic in svobiščin.
To, da je papežu uspelo prepričati nekatere, da je RKC "boljša", kot Islam, je pač še ena v vrsti prevar. Obe sta slabi. Obe sta bili in sta cokla v razvoju človeške družbe.
Pa da se razumemo. Spoštujem duhovnike in cerkev (katerokoli), ker oz. bolj pravilno, ko dajejo uteho ljudem. In to šteje. Ampak, četudi so plusi, to ne pomeni, da se ne sme govoriti o minusih.
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