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Weather modifications and Haarp

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jype ::

PacificBlue, nimam flasha, ne morem komentirat.

__Devil__ ::

dober film. Ravnokar sem ga pogledal. Mi slim, da se je splačalo :P ;)

PacificBlue ::

jype

Škoda. Download je pa sicer disable:(

jype ::

No, povej kaj tam piše, da ti razložim zakaj ne more biti resnično.

PacificBlue ::

jype ::

Nak, ne bo šlo.

Odstavek "Amplification" je totalno nerealen - od kod naj bi ta dodatna energija prišla?

Odstavek "Weather modification" je še bolj zmešan - "with HAARP, you can create a column shaped hole"? Pa saj HAARP je samo eno polje ne preveč naprednih anten!

PacificBlue ::

Odstavek "Amplification" je totalno nerealen - od kod naj bi ta dodatna energija prišla?


Saj piše, da se ustvarijo pogoji,kjer se sprosti "natural energy". In da lahk s pomočjo te energije amplificiraš signal za 1000x.

Drugače pa vem kaj te muči,samo osebno verjamem, da se tukaj začne neka nova vrsta fizike, ki še ni (s)poznana.

bluefish ::

natural energy
In kaka naj bi ta energija bila? Znanstveno opisana seveda.

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jype ::

PacificBlue> Saj piše, da se ustvarijo pogoji,kjer se sprosti "natural energy"

Nema tu trte mrte "natural energy". Energija ne more biti "natural", lahko samo je, al pa je ni (in ker je ni, od nekje mora priti - od kje, natanko, pa pride, bo pa moral pojasniti tisti pavliha, ki je spesnil omenjeni odstavek).

PacificBlue> Drugače pa vem kaj te muči,samo osebno verjamem, da se tukaj začne neka nova vrsta fizike, ki še ni (s)poznana.

No, jaz ti kar povem, da od tehle novih vrst fizike ne bo kruha.

PacificBlue ::

natural energy
In kaka naj bi ta energija bila? Znanstveno opisana seveda.


Ne vem. Je pa Tesla delal na podobnih projektih. Koliko rezultatov njegovih experimetnov so mu zaplenili je pa tudi vprašanje. Dr. Eastlund ziher ve.

Nema tu trte mrte "natural energy". Energija ne more biti "natural", lahko samo je, al pa je ni (in ker je ni, od nekje mora priti - od kje, natanko, pa pride, bo pa moral pojasniti tisti pavliha, ki je spesnil omenjeni odstavek).


Zero point energy? Avtor je pa Dr. Nick Begich

PacificBlue ::

jype ::

PacificBlue> Zero point energy?

Nope. Doesn't work that way. Zero point energy je zgolj ime za najnižji nivo energije, ki jo lahko doseže kvantni sistem. Tudi iz zero point energy ne bo kruha.

PacificBlue> Ne vem. Je pa Tesla delal na podobnih projektih. Koliko rezultatov njegovih experimetnov so mu zaplenili je pa tudi vprašanje. Dr. Eastlund ziher ve.

Tesla je veliko eksperimentiral, ja, uporabne reči pa od tega žal ni bilo nobene. Enkrat je zakuril bližnjo hidroelektrarno, ker je v tla spuščal preveč štroma, to je pa tut vse, kar je dosegel v svojih "manj uspešnih letih".

Na tvoji zadnji slikci pišejo o tem da bi z elektromagnetnim valovanjem iz atmosfere lahko vplivali na čustva in občutke človeka, kar je seveda popolna neumnost. Človeške možgane redno opazujemo tako s tomografijo kot tudi z magnetno resonanco, kjer so polja _bistveno_ močnejša od vsega kar lahko ustvariš "iz atmosfere", pa kljub temu s tem na možgane ne vplivamo dovolj, da bi bilo vplivanje izmerljivo z zelo natančnimi in občutljivimi napravami.

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PacificBlue ::

@jype

Of all the great inventions and discoveries of Nikola Tesla, nothing stood out with greater potential benefit to the whole of humanity than his discovery of Radiant Energy in 1889. The series of observations that led to the discovery of Radiant energy initially grew out of experiments that Tesla had conducted in an attempt to duplicate the results that Heinrich Hertz had claimed to achieve in affirming the existence of electromagnetic waves, the discovery of which Hertz announced in 1887. While replicating Hertz’s experiments, Tesla experimented with violently abrupt DC electrical discharges and discovered a new force in the process. Only after conducting exhaustive experimental trials for the next three years, did Tesla announce this stupendous discovery in a paper published in December, 1892, entitled “The Dissipation of Electricity”. Incredibly, most academicians of the day completely missed the mark in understanding the true significance of his paper. Noted scientists such as Sir Oliver Lodge, mistakenly thought that Tesla was referring to high frequency AC electricity in the operation of the Tesla Transformer, a huge blunder that remains to this day in the misnaming and misinterpretation of the Tesla Coil. The transformer that Tesla referred to in the 1892 paper did not operate on magnetic/electric field induction created by alternating currents. It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether. Tesla was now operating under entirely new rules which he referred to as “dynamic” electro-static forces and had, by now, completely abandoned any further interest in the AC waveform. The genesis of the Lodge misunderstanding, however, began a few years earlier with the publication of certainmathematical formulas by a brilliant Scotsman named James Clerk Maxwell.


http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiante...

jype ::

In kakšno zvezo ima to s čimerkoli?

PacificBlue ::

It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether.


Nema tu trte mrte "natural energy". Energija ne more biti "natural", lahko samo je, al pa je ni (in ker je ni, od nekje mora priti

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jype ::

PacificBlue> It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether.

Ja, to so mislili navadni ljudje leta 1896, al kdaj je že s tem eksperimentiral.

Danes nam je vsem (ki nismo fizikalni analfabeti) jasno, od kod pride energija, s katero lahko oddajamo radijske valove.

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PacificBlue ::

@jype

The radiant energy system is a self-oscillating capacitive system. Once it is set into oscillation, very little power is expended in keeping it going. Because it is an electrostatic oscillating system, only a small amount of charge moves through the system per cycle, that is, the coulomb per seconds = amps are low. If the charge is used at a low rate, the energy stored in the system will be turned into heat at a slow rate enabling the oscillations to continue for a long period of time.

Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO MAGNETS," patent #512,340 is a very special coil design because, unlike an ordinary coil made by turning wire on a tube form, this one uses two wires laid next to each other on a form but with the end of the first one connected to the beginning of the second one. In this patent Tesla explains that the double coil will store many times the energy of a conventional coil. Measurements of two coils of the same size and with the same number of turns, one with a single, the other with a bifilar winding, show differences in voltage gain. These bifilar Tesla's coils can be explained solely on the basis of their electrical activity. A bifilar coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter - electromotive force (e.m.f.) normal to coils, inductive reactance.

Because of the electrical activity, a bifilar coil does not work against itself in the form of a counter - e.m.f., the potential across the coil quickly builds to a high value. The difference between the turns becomes great enough that the energy is practically all potential, at this point, the system becomes an electrostatic oscillator.


Nikola Tesla states: I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light. More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor. I have hopes of building my motor on a large scale, but circumstances have not been favorable to carrying out my plan.http://www.frank.germano.com/radiantene...

PacificBlue ::

Tesla's intent was to condense the energy trapped between the earth and its upper atmosphere and to transform it into anelectric current. He pictured the sun as an immense ball of electricity, positively charged with a potential of some 200 billion volts. The earth, on the other hand, is charged with negative electricity. The tremendous electrical force between these two bodies constituted, at least in part, what he called cosmic energy. It varied from night to day and from season to season but it is always present. The positive particles are stopped at the ionosphere and between it and the negative charges in the ground, a distance of 60 miles, there is a large difference of voltage - something on the order of 360,000 volts. With the gases of the atmosphere acting as an insulator between these two opposite stores of electrical charges, the region between the ground and the edge of space traps a great deal of energy. Despite the large size of the planet, it is electrically like a capacitor which keeps positive and negative charges apart by using the air as a non-conducting material as an insulator.
The earth has a charge of 96,500 coulombs. With a potential of 360,000 volts, the earth constitutes a capacitor of .25 farads (farads = coulombs/volts). If the formula for calculating the energy stored in a capacitor (E =1/2CV2) is applied to the earth, it turns out that the ambient medium contains 1.6 x 1011 joules or 4.5 megawatt-hours of electrical energy. In order to utilize this high-voltage energy you must do two things -- make an energy sink and then devise a way of making the "sink" oscillate.
http://www.geocities.com/warpcore91/tes...

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Pyr0Beast ::

Ionosfera naj bi se filala iz sončnih vetrov, Haarp pa naj bi bil en večji (močnejši) radijski oddajnik. Z kombiniranjem teh dveh stvari pa naj bi se ustvarjali močnejši energetski izboji ?


Neka podobna zadeva se je vršila pri izkoriščanju preveč oddaljenih plinskih nahajališč, kjer bi z gretjem ionosfere oddaljeno ogrevali mesta.

IMO je ta zadeva samo še eno smetilo radijskih frekvenc.
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jype ::

PacificBlue, citira> He pictured the sun as an immense ball of electricity, positively charged with a potential of some 200 billion volts.

Ja, fino, da si je on to tako predstavljal, ampak to je _narobe_.

PacificBlue, citira> I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device.

Nope.

PacificBlue, citira> I was the first to discover these rays

Nope.

PacificBlue> They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.

Mhm seveda ja pomoje pa tut.

PacificBlue> the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons.

Količina dela, ki ga lahko opravi takšna ionizacija zraka, je enako nič.

PacificBlue ::

jype

Tale dokumentarec je zelo zanimiv(priporočam tudi ostalim):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid...


The Thunderbolts Project offers remarkably simple explanations for 'black holes', 'dark matter', the electric sun, comets that are NOT made of ice, planetary scarring and many other 'mysterious' phenomena. It proposes that much of the currently observable phenomena of deep space can be intelligently explained by already known principles of electricity.

PaX_MaN ::

Nič to ne dela.
NIČ!
Ker če bi, bi Ameri v Iraku skenslali vsak jeben peščen vihar!

krneki0001 ::

Nič to ne dela.
NIČ!
Ker če bi, bi Ameri v Iraku skenslali vsak jeben peščen vihar!


Al pa 100 novih nardil, da bi namesto njih opravil delo.

PaX_MaN ::

Neumnost. Enako, kot če bi na an-ban-pet-podgan streljali s havbicami.

Pyr0Beast ::

Brezveze tale HAARP. V najboljšem primeru ga bo vojska uporabila za kaj trapastga, davkoplačevalci pa od njega spet ne bodo imeli nič.
Ugasniti, razdreti in prodati pa je.
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krneki0001 ::

No ja, če bi bila zadeva sposobna med sušnim obdobjem kak oblaček in malo dežja sproducirat, nebi imel noben proti. ALi pa sredi zime dodatne snežne padavine, da bi bilo povsod lepo belo.

PacificBlue ::

Nič to ne dela.
NIČ!
Ker če bi, bi Ameri v Iraku skenslali vsak jeben peščen vihar!


Mogoče so jih pa delali:)Pa tudi se jim ni mudilo tako hitr končati z vojno a ne;)

Kar hočem vam pokazat, je to da je današnji pogled fizike na vesolje "rahlo" zgrešen(upošteva samo gravitacijski model). In da Haarp deluje na ta način, da dodatno pridobiva to energijo iz vesolja oz iz Sonca.. O kateri energiji govorim? O električni energiji, električnem toku. Da razložim:

Magnetno polje je vektorsko polje okrog trajnih magnetov ali vodnikov, po katerih teče električni tok.


Torej magnetno polje ustvari električni tok. Torej če poenostavim je vsepovsod po vesolju, kjer je prisotno magnetno polje "input" le tega električni tok.

Omenim lahko primer Sonca,natančneje sončnih peg..če bi bilo Sonce res "jedrski reaktor" bi bile sonče pege najbolj vroča območja na Soncu saj odpirajo vpogled v notranjost sonca v samo središče. Pa temu ni tako, sončeve pege so najhladnejša območja na Soncu. Električni model to razloži.


Vse to in še več je razloženo v zgornjem dokumentarcu.

Pyr0Beast ::

Spreminjajoče se magnetno polje ustvari električni tok !
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bluefish ::

Torej magnetno polje ustvari električni tok.
Kvečjemu ga inducira.

PacificBlue ::

Torej magnetno polje ustvari električni tok.
Kvečjemu ga inducira.


Eh lapsus, napisal sem ravno obratno kot sem mislil:)

jype ::

Ja, saj je vseeno. Naračunaj nam torej, kakšni "električni tokovi" naj bi se "ustvarjali" s tako anteno, lepo prosim.

Mi že vemo, za kakšne naboje in tokove gre ob običajnih atmosferskih pojavih, samo radi bi, da si reči postaviš v pravo perspektivo. Torej?

PacificBlue ::

Ja, saj je vseeno. Naračunaj nam torej, kakšni "električni tokovi" naj bi se "ustvarjali" s tako anteno, lepo prosim.


Ne Jure. Poglej si dokumentarec. Res ni vseeno.

PaX_MaN ::

Mogoče so jih pa delali:)

Mogoče pa ne.
Koliko, misliš, bi en viharček/teden več prizadel ljudi, ki se z enakim pojavom srečujejo že vsaj, oh-ne-vem, dva tisoč let?

jype ::

PacificBlue> Ne Jure. Poglej si dokumentarec. Res ni vseeno.

Sem že, pa o številkah raje ne govorijo, zato te še enkrat pozivam, da nam izračunaš - če ne bom jaz, in verjemi, da ti številke ne bodo všeč!

PacificBlue ::

@jype

Jaz ti samo hočem odgovoriti na tole:

Energija ne more biti "natural", lahko samo je, al pa je ni (in ker je ni, od nekje mora priti

jype ::

Potem boš pa zagotovo lahko odgovoril na vprašanje, kako se "natural" energija razlikuje od kakšne druge.

PacificBlue ::

Saj se ne, energija je pač energija. samo hec je izkoriščanje te energije, če ne veš zanjo je tudi izkoriščat ne moreš a ne?

jype ::

Aja, torej, energija, ki jo izkoriščamo, je nenaravna?

Hecno, pri fiziki na to nismo nikoli tako gledali.

No, dajmo jit zdaj nazaj k računanju. Katero energijo, natanko, in s kakšnimi mehanizmi, naj bi te antene spravljale, sproščale, blah blah blah.

PacificBlue ::

Aja, torej, energija, ki jo izkoriščamo, je nenaravna?


Kdo to pravi? A potem si tudi ti nenaraven oz nisi del narave?

Hecno, pri fiziki na to nismo nikoli tako gledali.


Saj mi tudi ne, pa sem sedel na Jadranski 19 nasprot FMF v tisti predavalnici čez cesto.

Katero energijo, natanko, in s kakšnimi mehanizmi, naj bi te antene spravljale, sproščale, blah blah blah.




The earth has a charge of 96,500 coulombs. With a potential of 360,000 volts, the earth constitutes a capacitor of .25 farads (farads = coulombs/volts). If the formula for calculating the energy stored in a capacitor (E =1/2CV2) is applied to the earth, it turns out that the ambient medium contains 1.6 x 1011 joules or 4.5 megawatt-hours of electrical energy. In order to utilize this high-voltage energy you must do two things -- make an energy sink and then devise a way of making the "sink" oscillate.

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bluefish ::

The earth has a charge of 96,500 coulombs. With a potential of 360,000 volts, the earth constitutes a capacitor of .25 farads (farads = coulombs/volts). If the formula for calculating the energy stored in a capacitor (E =1/2CV2) is applied to the earth, it turns out that the ambient medium contains 1.6 x 1011 joules or 4.5 megawatt-hours of electrical energy. In order to utilize this high-voltage energy you must do two things -- make an energy sink and then devise a way of making the "sink" oscillate.
OK, ta sestavek na nek dvomljiv način opiše shranjeno energijo Zemlje (kje? - pod površjem, na površini, enakomerno porazdeljeno), ne odgovori pa na to, kako naj bi tiste antene to energijo pretvarjale oz. sploh pridobivale in potem spuščale naprej.

jype ::

PacificBlue, citira> In order to utilize this high-voltage energy you must do two things -- make an energy sink and then devise a way of making the "sink" oscillate.

To je krneki eno bluzenje.

Pyr0Beast ::

El, naboj se nahaja izključno na površini telesa :)
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PacificBlue ::

"Such a "sink" has to be at a lower energy state than the surrounding medium and, for the energy to continually flow into it,
the energy must be continually pumped out of it. Additionally, this "sink" must maintain a lower energy state while
meeting the power requirements of the load attached to it. Electrical energy, watt-seconds, is a product of volts x amps x
seconds. Because the period of oscillation does not change, either voltage or current has to be the variable in this system's
energy equation. Bifilar wound coils are used in the system because a bifilar wound coil maximizes the voltage difference
between its turns, the current is then minimized.

A coil in our system, then, will be set into oscillation at its resonant frequency by an external power source. During the
"zero-point" portion of its cycle the coil will appear as one plate of a capacitor. As the voltage across the coil increases, the
amount of charge it can siphon will increase. The energy that is taken into the coil through the small energy window
(zero-point), call it what you will, appears to be the key to the success of this system. It is at this zero-point where energy
is condensed into positive and negative components of current. When energy escapes from the "sink" the magnetic field
collapses and a strong magnetic quake is created in it's wake. A properly tuned system can capture and convert radiant
energy in such a prescribed arrangement."

Pyr0Beast ::

Eh ja, to je že tesla delal s svojimi 'zavojnicami'. Pa tudi samo-rezonantni tesla coil imaš na voljo. To kar delajo ni res nič novega.
Tudi za samo konverzijo bodo potrebovali več energije kot jo bodo iz tega dobili.
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jype ::

PacificBlue> A properly tuned system can capture and convert radiant energy in such a prescribed arrangement."

Ja, vsaka antena (vključno s tisto v tvojem GSM) to dela. Ne vem pa, kje tukaj pridemo do izkoriščanja "naravne energije"?

jest10 ::



Omenim lahko primer Sonca,natančneje sončnih peg..če bi bilo Sonce res "jedrski reaktor" bi bile sonče pege najbolj vroča območja na Soncu saj odpirajo vpogled v notranjost sonca v samo središče.

Je to kakšen nov vic, da se čez pege vidi v središče zvezde?:P

PacificBlue ::

Ne vem pa, kje tukaj pridemo do izkoriščanja "naravne energije"?


Izkoriščanje "naravne energije" v smislu, da bi zbirali energijo ujeto med zemljinim površjem in zgornjo atmosfero in jo pretvarjali v električni tok.

"The positive particles are stopped at the ionosphere and between it and the negative charges in the ground, a distance of 60
miles, there is a large difference of voltage - something on the order of 360,000 volts. With the gases of the atmosphere
acting as an insulator between these two opposite stores of electrical charges, the region between the ground and the edge
of space traps a great deal of energy. Despite the large size of the planet, it is electrically like a capacitor which keeps
positive and negative charges apart by using the air as a non-conducting material as an insulator."

Eh ja, to je že tesla delal s svojimi 'zavojnicami'. Pa tudi samo-rezonantni tesla coil imaš na voljo. To kar delajo ni res nič novega.
Tudi za samo konverzijo bodo potrebovali več energije kot jo bodo iz tega dobili.


Nikola Tesla, U.S. Patent #512,340, "COIL FOR ELECTRO MAGNETS," he explains that a standard coil of 1000
turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a
potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages the energy in the
bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil.


@jest10

Poglej si dokumentarec pa boš videl.

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jype ::

PacificBlue> Izkoriščanje "naravne energije" v smislu, da bi zbirali energijo ujeto med zemljinim površjem in zgornjo atmosfero in jo pretvarjali v električni tok.

Ja, kako?

Če na tak način, kot je opisano v nadaljevanju besedila, potem bomo več elektrike porabili, kot je bomo pridobili.

Pyr0Beast ::

A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil.
Pa kaj še. ..
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jest10 ::


@jest10

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