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BT52 ::
Ufff... poka...
http://www.grandprix247.com/2015/03/24/...
Me prav zanima kolk časa bo tole še zdržalo skupaj. Sam problem je ker RB praktično nima kam it.
Cosworth? :D Ali celo pod FORD "značko", kot nekoč ob nepremagjivih V8 DFV. Ali celo kaki obujen odbit dostopen Ford Cosworth za sladokusce, ki nimajo keša Ferrarije. :D Ahh spomini.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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AvtoR ::
Lani je bil Renault najdražji, Ferrari pa najcenejši motor za ekipe F1.
Morda tudi zaradi tega bentijo pri Red Bullshitu?
Morda tudi zaradi tega bentijo pri Red Bullshitu?

billy ::
Tole s RBR in renaultom ne gre v pravi smeri...se bojim da bo jodlarju prekipelo in bo zapustil F1, moštva pa prodal, torro rosso bi itak renault kupil, samo za RBR še rabi kupca...

connel ::
Pa naj grejo, takoj ko jim nekaj ne gre gredo v jok in stok in grožnje. Upam da dopizdi Renaultu in jih odjebe. Jih ne bom pogrešal s takim odnosom. To se reši med sabo ne pa z pranjem gat v javnosti.

billy ::
Pranje gat v javnosti je PR, PR pa žene financiranje oz vlagatelje v te firme.
Tako, kot se honda/mclaren boji za vlagatelje in ne pove vseh resnic okoli alonsove nesreče.
Tako, kot se honda/mclaren boji za vlagatelje in ne pove vseh resnic okoli alonsove nesreče.

Modri dirkač ::
Tole s RBR in renaultom ne gre v pravi smeri...se bojim da bo jodlarju prekipelo in bo zapustil F1, moštva pa prodal, torro rosso bi itak renault kupil, samo za RBR še rabi kupca...
Didi hoče kupit F1, komplet, od CVC-ja.
RBTechnologies naj bi se sicer obdržal, RBR bi prodal Audiju, Torro Rosso pa Renualtu.
Se bo treba pa nekako Bernarda znebit, ker je on še zadnja ovira pred vstopom VW-ja.
Everybody lies!

PrimozR ::
Renault NE BO kupil Torro Rosso, hočejo angleško moštvo. Je bilo to lepo povedano v članku nedolgo nazaj. Če bodo, bodo kupili kar Red Bull.
Glede na lastništvo je bolj verjetno, da bi Audi kupil Torro Rosso. V dolini imajo namreč že Lamborghini in Ducati. Sant'Agata Bolognese (dom Lamborghinija) in Faenza (dom Torra Rossa) sta med seboj oddaljena 90 km po cesti, neposredno med njima (na poti) je pa še Bologna, kjer je doma Ducati. Malce severo-zahodno od vse te trojice, naprej po avtocesti pod hribi, je pa Modena, Maranello, Fiorano, itd. Verjetno so ta imena znana ;)
Glede na lastništvo je bolj verjetno, da bi Audi kupil Torro Rosso. V dolini imajo namreč že Lamborghini in Ducati. Sant'Agata Bolognese (dom Lamborghinija) in Faenza (dom Torra Rossa) sta med seboj oddaljena 90 km po cesti, neposredno med njima (na poti) je pa še Bologna, kjer je doma Ducati. Malce severo-zahodno od vse te trojice, naprej po avtocesti pod hribi, je pa Modena, Maranello, Fiorano, itd. Verjetno so ta imena znana ;)

vilser ::
FIA Thursday press conference - Malaysia
Q: Fernando, if I can start with you. This has been a happy hunting ground throughout your career - you got your first pole here, you won with three different manufacturers - so a good place to come back from what was a difficult episode. What can you tell us about what you’ve been through in the past few weeks?
FA: Happy to be here in another Formula One season. I start one race later than I should be but, yeah, unfortunately I had the accident in Barcelona and following the recommendations by the doctors I missed the first race. But, yeah, happy to be here, as I said. Malaysia has always been a very nice circuit for me in my Formula One career. My first pole position was here in 2003, my first podium and then as you said three wins with three different teams give me the possibility always to enjoy this circuit and I know it’s going to be very tough this year to repeat such a result but, yeah, happy to be back in the cockpit and ready to enjoy the weekend.
Q: You’ve only done around 500km of testing with this car so far. How do you see the journey ahead and the challenge now to hit the targets the team has set?
FA: Well, I think we need to be with the feet on the ground knowing that we are not in a position that we wanted and not in a position that we will be hopefully very soon. It will be like a test session for me, the first races. As you said I did in this car more or less the same number of laps that another guy do in one day, so obviously I’m not probably confident with the car in this moment and I will need to learn many things, not only on the driving style but also on the approach McLaren has to the weekends. So, many things to learn for me; very challenging moment of my career and ready to take it.
Q: (Andrew Benson - BBC Sport) Fernando, how long after the accident did you start to get memories of the accident back, what did you learn about it when you went to the factory last week and do you now believe that there was no problem with the car?
FA: Everything was more or less as a normal concussion. So, I had this concussion, went to the hospital. I went to the hospital in good conditions. There is a time that I don’t remember from two o’clock to six o’clock or something like that, but everything again was normal due to the medication that they give you to go into the helicopter and to do some tests in the hospital.
Everything was normal. I didn’t wake up in ’95, I didn’t wake up speaking in Italian or all these things that probably they were out there. I remember the accident and I remember everything that following day.
Obviously with the team we have been very close working on that and with the FIA, they were very helpful all the times, and we were in close contact, all three parts constantly and yeah, there is not in the data anything clear that we can spot and we can say it was that, the reason. But definitely we had a steering problem in the middle of turn three. It locked into the right and I approached the wall I braked in the last moment, I downshift from fifth to third, and yeah, unfortunately on the data we are still missing some parts. Also the acquisition of date on that particular part of the car is not at the top so there are some new sensors here at this race and there are some changes we do on the steering rack and other parts and yeah that was the main thing. The last week at the factory was more a work on the simulator and trying to explain to me these new sensors and these new parts that will go on this race.
Q: (Jaime Rodríguez - El Mundo) Fernando, after this episode, have you got more respect or more fear to your job?
FA: No, not really. You know, at the end of the day we know motorsport is dangerous. We know that sometimes you have a big accident, spectacular and the car is completely destroyed and nothing happens, and sometimes you crash in a low speed corner or something, and it depends on the angle, depends on how you hit, or which part of the body you hit, you have more or less injuries. It is the same in the normal day life: sometimes you live an extreme life and nothing happens and sometimes you walk on the street and have a big issue. So, no more respect than before, it’s just, y’know, a very normal thing. I felt ready to go to Australia as well but I understand also the recommendation from the doctor that it was maybe too early and, yeah, we wait for one more race. That, obviously, creates even more feeling, no? But happy to be here, happy to help the team. Obviously we’re struggling a little bit at the moment and the winter has been quite difficult and the same at the first race. It was hard for me to watch on TV with the team not performing so well. So yeah, we are here to help and to give McLaren and Honda the experience that we can have, Jenson and me, and trying to recover from this form as soon as possible.
Q: (Michael Schmidt - Auto Motor und Sport) Fernando, you said “the steering just locked”. The steering is for a racing driver, let’s say, a very delicate thing in the car, like the brakes if it fails. If you still don’t know why there was a problem with the steering is that a thing that is worrying you despite the new sensors you have on the car?
FA: Not really. I think, as I said before, together with FIA and with the team, we were constantly doing some checks, investigations, some possibilities, and as I said, there are some areas in the car that, instrumentation-wise are probably not at the level to see this problem. It’s like a problem that may occur, in this phrase, 20 years ago, Formula One did not have the technology to spot that problem. I’m sure that we are missing something on the data acquisition that we will spot in ten years’ time or whatever when the technology is available. So, that’s one reason and, yeah, I have zero doubt or zero concern.
Q: (Daniel Johnson - Daily Telegraph) Question for Fernando. Given that you remember the accident, as far as you are concerned, it wasn’t a driver error or, as the team put it, a gust of wind blew you off course in any way?
FA: No, no, definitely not. I don’t know if you see the video but even a hurricane will not move the car at that speed. Also, if you have any problem or any medical issue, normally you will lose the power and you will go straight to the outside, never to the inside. In a Formula One car you still need to apply some effort on the steering wheel. So, that’s one thing. Honestly, y’know, obviously with an accident, with the repercussion of the accident, the news, being in Spain, a lot of attention on that day and probably the first answers or the first press conference that the team have, my manager, whatever, all the stuff around in these early days, it was just some guess. The wind, maybe other possibilities. That creates a little bit of confusion obviously - but you cannot say nothing for three or four days until I remember everything because these three or four days then will become even worse. So I think they say the theory of the wind, etc., but obviously it was not a help.
Q: (David Croft - Sky Sports) Apologies to the other five members of the panel but it’s another question for Fernando. With everything that’s happened over the winter and to yourself personally and to the team as well, one of the big things that’s been debated by the fans and I’m sure many journalists in this room is whether you’ve made the right decision, returning to McLaren. What would your reaction to that debate be?
FA: I’m one of the happiest persons in the world. Yes, I am. I have a challenge in front of me. A tough challenge clearly. I think it’s difficult but it’s going to taste better when we do it. I grew up watching TV with McLaren-Honda domination and Ayrton Senna in the cockpit. I understand that we are now too far back and we will be heavily criticized and it will be fair to receive that criticism because we are not at the level we will be - but it’s nothing we can do now, just work, it’s a long-term project and all my career I experience some beautiful moments - even the last five years - with Ferrari we didn’t win the championship but it was a fantastic experience. But five was enough - I didn’t want to be seven years second or third so I prefer to risk and challenge for victory. Even if you need to take some risk for the first year.
Q: (Ralf Bach - Sport Bild) A question to Fernando. Coming back to the accident, can you remember one thing, if you lost consciousness before the first impact or not, and when, why?
FA: No, I remember everything obviously. I don’t want to go through every detail because it’s going to be long but I remembered everything. It was Sunday morning, all the setup changes, the lap times, I think Vettel was in front of me before Turn Three but cut the chicane to let me go, exiting the pitlane. After the hit I was kissing the wall for a while and then I switch off the radio first, because it was on, and then I switch off the master switch for the batteries to switch off the ERS system just because I saw the marshals coming and, if not, they cannot touch the car. So, yeah, I was perfectly conscious at the time. I lost consciousness in the ambulance or in the clinic at the circuit but the doctors said this is normal because of the medication that they put you, just for the helicopter transportation and the checks that they do in the hospital: the MRI and the evaluation needs this protocol, needs this medication so this is normal that maybe you don’t remember.
Q: Is is normal the marshals didn’t touch the car?
FA: This I don’t know.
Q: (Manuel Franco - Diario AS) Two questions, the first for Fernando, the second for Fernando and Carlos. Fernando, what had you learned from the accident? About people, about you, about life? Second question. In this race will be three Spanish drivers: you and Roberto Merhi. With England and Germany it’s the country with most drivers in the race. What do you think?
FA: What I learned is that I have so much support from so many people. It’s been amazing how many messages from people I’ve received. So many warm wishes from all the sport and government and everyone. Everyone was so interested. And in the Formula One paddock as well because even from the flight on Tuesday that I arrived here until today has been a very nice experience to see really, truly, wishes of health for me. That was something that I learned, probably, after the accident. You don’t realize until you have a problem, or you miss one or two races that, y’know, so many people are behind you and are supporting you. And then, about the race, yes, it’s nice to have three Spanish drivers. Hopefully we can see for many years. We had three previously with Marc Gené and Pedro [de la Rosa] and now hopefully we can have many more years because Carlos and Roberto, they are very young and they have good possibility and a good future and I wish they can stay very long.
Q: (Byron Young - The Mirror) Fernando, the team was saying even up to a couple of days ago that there was nothing wrong with the car, and yet you’re saying the steering locked. How do those two statements work together?
FA: Yeah, as I said before, I think it’s clear that there was a problem in the car but it hasn’t been found on the data at the moment. It’s one of the things that I did also in the factory last week, not only the simulator but going - with all the engineers and all the data available - going through the moments and there are some spots here and there but there is not a clear answer. So I understand completely and support the team until they find a clear answer that it was this or that, it’s impossible to say or to lie that it was this or that. They need to go much further. If they will find something any time, I don’t know because if after one month we didn’t find anything on the data, it is maybe because whatever part was the problem, it was not available on the data, so maybe it will never be.
Q: (Byron Young - The Mirror) But they have gone further and say there is no problem.
FA: Well, I don’t think that they say this any more.
Q: (Anne Giuntini - L’Equipe) Fernando, do we now have a precise idea of the violence of the impact that gave you such big concussion?
FA: No, I don’t exactly know the details.
Q: (Ben Hunt - The Sun) I’m a bit confused by this: there’s no problem, there’s nothing on the data, you’ve lost consciousness, someone said you didn’t lose consciousness, your team also said there was a gust of wind. It’s all just very confusing but one thing for me, if there’s no data and the team haven’t found anything, could the problem happen again?
FA: Well, as I said, I think some of the confusion comes from the very early quotes and very early explanations because the attention was very high at that moment. The stress was very high, I was in intensive care, there was some urgency to say something because there was a lot of attention so that was probably part of the confusion. On the data, as I said before, I think there was some lack of instrumentation maybe on the car, to miss the exact problem and there are some actions taken for this race which are probably not necessary but there is extra care with some parts on the car that were unique to me, that I requested because of my driving style when I joined McLaren and here we will go back to the normal steering rack and things that they’ve been using with Jenson and Kevin for the last couple of years. Of course, there are some actions for this race and as I said, there is zero problem, zero worries on my side. Everything is OK.
Q: (Andrea Cremonesi - La Gazzetta dello Sport) Fernando, could you tell us exactly what happened this morning during the test?
FA: Today, we’ve been through the normal processes as we have during the last month. As I said before, everything that I did or that happened in the last month were completely normal, the concussion, the rehabilitation, the checks, the extra checks, the recommendation to wait two or three weeks before any dangerous activity again, so everything went normal and this morning, again, it was a normal procedure after a head injury to do an impact test with the FIA and some reaction tests and some examinations with the Malaysian Grand Prix doctors. Everything went as smoothly as possible and I have the green light, so that was a very positive moment.
Q: (Andrea Cremonesi - La Gazzetta dello Sport) You’ve partially answered this before, Fernando, but seeing Ferrari is so strong, do you think that maybe you might have waited a little bit longer before leaving and achieved some results?
FA: Obviously, as I said, with the performance that we have right now, it’s easy to criticise our team and my decision, whatever, but as I said, I’m first of all so so happy that this is the most important thing. When you’re happy with yourself or you’re a healthy man inside, that is the first victory and that is what I am now, because I’m following my dream now. And secondly, I could wait and achieve some nice results as you’ve said probably yes, but after 14 years of Formula One and two championships, a podium or fourth place or fifth place is no longer a nice result.
Q: (Carlos Miguel -La Gaceta) Fernando, I would like to know your feelings after 14 years, watching a race on TV?
FA: I don’t think I pick the best race to watch, probably. One, it was very early in the morning, so that didn’t help the enthusiasm for the race, and secondly, the number of cars on the grid and after the first couple of laps was obviously not ideal. Yeah, it was a strange feeling, no doubt that I missed being there, I missed driving. It was strange but luckily I’m here.
Q: (Byron Young - The Mirror) Fernando, I’m a bit confused: how can you not be worried? From what you’re saying to us, the steering was locked, heading towards the inside wall. You’re fighting with the steering wheel so that’s a car problem, and you’re getting back in the car this weekend and you don’t know what caused that problem. How can you not be worried?
FA: I fully trust the team. They’ve been looking at every single component of the car for a month, they’ve been simulating the efforts, they’ve been doing so many tests, they’ve been changing every single part that they had some doubts about so I think we have the safest car right now, because of all the studies that they’ve done. And after one month, I’m probably the most medically checked driver in history so we should be fine, both of us.
Koliko je tole kredibilno? Kaj mislite?
Q: Fernando, if I can start with you. This has been a happy hunting ground throughout your career - you got your first pole here, you won with three different manufacturers - so a good place to come back from what was a difficult episode. What can you tell us about what you’ve been through in the past few weeks?
FA: Happy to be here in another Formula One season. I start one race later than I should be but, yeah, unfortunately I had the accident in Barcelona and following the recommendations by the doctors I missed the first race. But, yeah, happy to be here, as I said. Malaysia has always been a very nice circuit for me in my Formula One career. My first pole position was here in 2003, my first podium and then as you said three wins with three different teams give me the possibility always to enjoy this circuit and I know it’s going to be very tough this year to repeat such a result but, yeah, happy to be back in the cockpit and ready to enjoy the weekend.
Q: You’ve only done around 500km of testing with this car so far. How do you see the journey ahead and the challenge now to hit the targets the team has set?
FA: Well, I think we need to be with the feet on the ground knowing that we are not in a position that we wanted and not in a position that we will be hopefully very soon. It will be like a test session for me, the first races. As you said I did in this car more or less the same number of laps that another guy do in one day, so obviously I’m not probably confident with the car in this moment and I will need to learn many things, not only on the driving style but also on the approach McLaren has to the weekends. So, many things to learn for me; very challenging moment of my career and ready to take it.
Q: (Andrew Benson - BBC Sport) Fernando, how long after the accident did you start to get memories of the accident back, what did you learn about it when you went to the factory last week and do you now believe that there was no problem with the car?
FA: Everything was more or less as a normal concussion. So, I had this concussion, went to the hospital. I went to the hospital in good conditions. There is a time that I don’t remember from two o’clock to six o’clock or something like that, but everything again was normal due to the medication that they give you to go into the helicopter and to do some tests in the hospital.
Everything was normal. I didn’t wake up in ’95, I didn’t wake up speaking in Italian or all these things that probably they were out there. I remember the accident and I remember everything that following day.
Obviously with the team we have been very close working on that and with the FIA, they were very helpful all the times, and we were in close contact, all three parts constantly and yeah, there is not in the data anything clear that we can spot and we can say it was that, the reason. But definitely we had a steering problem in the middle of turn three. It locked into the right and I approached the wall I braked in the last moment, I downshift from fifth to third, and yeah, unfortunately on the data we are still missing some parts. Also the acquisition of date on that particular part of the car is not at the top so there are some new sensors here at this race and there are some changes we do on the steering rack and other parts and yeah that was the main thing. The last week at the factory was more a work on the simulator and trying to explain to me these new sensors and these new parts that will go on this race.
Q: (Jaime Rodríguez - El Mundo) Fernando, after this episode, have you got more respect or more fear to your job?
FA: No, not really. You know, at the end of the day we know motorsport is dangerous. We know that sometimes you have a big accident, spectacular and the car is completely destroyed and nothing happens, and sometimes you crash in a low speed corner or something, and it depends on the angle, depends on how you hit, or which part of the body you hit, you have more or less injuries. It is the same in the normal day life: sometimes you live an extreme life and nothing happens and sometimes you walk on the street and have a big issue. So, no more respect than before, it’s just, y’know, a very normal thing. I felt ready to go to Australia as well but I understand also the recommendation from the doctor that it was maybe too early and, yeah, we wait for one more race. That, obviously, creates even more feeling, no? But happy to be here, happy to help the team. Obviously we’re struggling a little bit at the moment and the winter has been quite difficult and the same at the first race. It was hard for me to watch on TV with the team not performing so well. So yeah, we are here to help and to give McLaren and Honda the experience that we can have, Jenson and me, and trying to recover from this form as soon as possible.
Q: (Michael Schmidt - Auto Motor und Sport) Fernando, you said “the steering just locked”. The steering is for a racing driver, let’s say, a very delicate thing in the car, like the brakes if it fails. If you still don’t know why there was a problem with the steering is that a thing that is worrying you despite the new sensors you have on the car?
FA: Not really. I think, as I said before, together with FIA and with the team, we were constantly doing some checks, investigations, some possibilities, and as I said, there are some areas in the car that, instrumentation-wise are probably not at the level to see this problem. It’s like a problem that may occur, in this phrase, 20 years ago, Formula One did not have the technology to spot that problem. I’m sure that we are missing something on the data acquisition that we will spot in ten years’ time or whatever when the technology is available. So, that’s one reason and, yeah, I have zero doubt or zero concern.
Q: (Daniel Johnson - Daily Telegraph) Question for Fernando. Given that you remember the accident, as far as you are concerned, it wasn’t a driver error or, as the team put it, a gust of wind blew you off course in any way?
FA: No, no, definitely not. I don’t know if you see the video but even a hurricane will not move the car at that speed. Also, if you have any problem or any medical issue, normally you will lose the power and you will go straight to the outside, never to the inside. In a Formula One car you still need to apply some effort on the steering wheel. So, that’s one thing. Honestly, y’know, obviously with an accident, with the repercussion of the accident, the news, being in Spain, a lot of attention on that day and probably the first answers or the first press conference that the team have, my manager, whatever, all the stuff around in these early days, it was just some guess. The wind, maybe other possibilities. That creates a little bit of confusion obviously - but you cannot say nothing for three or four days until I remember everything because these three or four days then will become even worse. So I think they say the theory of the wind, etc., but obviously it was not a help.
Q: (David Croft - Sky Sports) Apologies to the other five members of the panel but it’s another question for Fernando. With everything that’s happened over the winter and to yourself personally and to the team as well, one of the big things that’s been debated by the fans and I’m sure many journalists in this room is whether you’ve made the right decision, returning to McLaren. What would your reaction to that debate be?
FA: I’m one of the happiest persons in the world. Yes, I am. I have a challenge in front of me. A tough challenge clearly. I think it’s difficult but it’s going to taste better when we do it. I grew up watching TV with McLaren-Honda domination and Ayrton Senna in the cockpit. I understand that we are now too far back and we will be heavily criticized and it will be fair to receive that criticism because we are not at the level we will be - but it’s nothing we can do now, just work, it’s a long-term project and all my career I experience some beautiful moments - even the last five years - with Ferrari we didn’t win the championship but it was a fantastic experience. But five was enough - I didn’t want to be seven years second or third so I prefer to risk and challenge for victory. Even if you need to take some risk for the first year.
Q: (Ralf Bach - Sport Bild) A question to Fernando. Coming back to the accident, can you remember one thing, if you lost consciousness before the first impact or not, and when, why?
FA: No, I remember everything obviously. I don’t want to go through every detail because it’s going to be long but I remembered everything. It was Sunday morning, all the setup changes, the lap times, I think Vettel was in front of me before Turn Three but cut the chicane to let me go, exiting the pitlane. After the hit I was kissing the wall for a while and then I switch off the radio first, because it was on, and then I switch off the master switch for the batteries to switch off the ERS system just because I saw the marshals coming and, if not, they cannot touch the car. So, yeah, I was perfectly conscious at the time. I lost consciousness in the ambulance or in the clinic at the circuit but the doctors said this is normal because of the medication that they put you, just for the helicopter transportation and the checks that they do in the hospital: the MRI and the evaluation needs this protocol, needs this medication so this is normal that maybe you don’t remember.
Q: Is is normal the marshals didn’t touch the car?
FA: This I don’t know.
Q: (Manuel Franco - Diario AS) Two questions, the first for Fernando, the second for Fernando and Carlos. Fernando, what had you learned from the accident? About people, about you, about life? Second question. In this race will be three Spanish drivers: you and Roberto Merhi. With England and Germany it’s the country with most drivers in the race. What do you think?
FA: What I learned is that I have so much support from so many people. It’s been amazing how many messages from people I’ve received. So many warm wishes from all the sport and government and everyone. Everyone was so interested. And in the Formula One paddock as well because even from the flight on Tuesday that I arrived here until today has been a very nice experience to see really, truly, wishes of health for me. That was something that I learned, probably, after the accident. You don’t realize until you have a problem, or you miss one or two races that, y’know, so many people are behind you and are supporting you. And then, about the race, yes, it’s nice to have three Spanish drivers. Hopefully we can see for many years. We had three previously with Marc Gené and Pedro [de la Rosa] and now hopefully we can have many more years because Carlos and Roberto, they are very young and they have good possibility and a good future and I wish they can stay very long.
Q: (Byron Young - The Mirror) Fernando, the team was saying even up to a couple of days ago that there was nothing wrong with the car, and yet you’re saying the steering locked. How do those two statements work together?
FA: Yeah, as I said before, I think it’s clear that there was a problem in the car but it hasn’t been found on the data at the moment. It’s one of the things that I did also in the factory last week, not only the simulator but going - with all the engineers and all the data available - going through the moments and there are some spots here and there but there is not a clear answer. So I understand completely and support the team until they find a clear answer that it was this or that, it’s impossible to say or to lie that it was this or that. They need to go much further. If they will find something any time, I don’t know because if after one month we didn’t find anything on the data, it is maybe because whatever part was the problem, it was not available on the data, so maybe it will never be.
Q: (Byron Young - The Mirror) But they have gone further and say there is no problem.
FA: Well, I don’t think that they say this any more.
Q: (Anne Giuntini - L’Equipe) Fernando, do we now have a precise idea of the violence of the impact that gave you such big concussion?
FA: No, I don’t exactly know the details.
Q: (Ben Hunt - The Sun) I’m a bit confused by this: there’s no problem, there’s nothing on the data, you’ve lost consciousness, someone said you didn’t lose consciousness, your team also said there was a gust of wind. It’s all just very confusing but one thing for me, if there’s no data and the team haven’t found anything, could the problem happen again?
FA: Well, as I said, I think some of the confusion comes from the very early quotes and very early explanations because the attention was very high at that moment. The stress was very high, I was in intensive care, there was some urgency to say something because there was a lot of attention so that was probably part of the confusion. On the data, as I said before, I think there was some lack of instrumentation maybe on the car, to miss the exact problem and there are some actions taken for this race which are probably not necessary but there is extra care with some parts on the car that were unique to me, that I requested because of my driving style when I joined McLaren and here we will go back to the normal steering rack and things that they’ve been using with Jenson and Kevin for the last couple of years. Of course, there are some actions for this race and as I said, there is zero problem, zero worries on my side. Everything is OK.
Q: (Andrea Cremonesi - La Gazzetta dello Sport) Fernando, could you tell us exactly what happened this morning during the test?
FA: Today, we’ve been through the normal processes as we have during the last month. As I said before, everything that I did or that happened in the last month were completely normal, the concussion, the rehabilitation, the checks, the extra checks, the recommendation to wait two or three weeks before any dangerous activity again, so everything went normal and this morning, again, it was a normal procedure after a head injury to do an impact test with the FIA and some reaction tests and some examinations with the Malaysian Grand Prix doctors. Everything went as smoothly as possible and I have the green light, so that was a very positive moment.
Q: (Andrea Cremonesi - La Gazzetta dello Sport) You’ve partially answered this before, Fernando, but seeing Ferrari is so strong, do you think that maybe you might have waited a little bit longer before leaving and achieved some results?
FA: Obviously, as I said, with the performance that we have right now, it’s easy to criticise our team and my decision, whatever, but as I said, I’m first of all so so happy that this is the most important thing. When you’re happy with yourself or you’re a healthy man inside, that is the first victory and that is what I am now, because I’m following my dream now. And secondly, I could wait and achieve some nice results as you’ve said probably yes, but after 14 years of Formula One and two championships, a podium or fourth place or fifth place is no longer a nice result.
Q: (Carlos Miguel -La Gaceta) Fernando, I would like to know your feelings after 14 years, watching a race on TV?
FA: I don’t think I pick the best race to watch, probably. One, it was very early in the morning, so that didn’t help the enthusiasm for the race, and secondly, the number of cars on the grid and after the first couple of laps was obviously not ideal. Yeah, it was a strange feeling, no doubt that I missed being there, I missed driving. It was strange but luckily I’m here.
Q: (Byron Young - The Mirror) Fernando, I’m a bit confused: how can you not be worried? From what you’re saying to us, the steering was locked, heading towards the inside wall. You’re fighting with the steering wheel so that’s a car problem, and you’re getting back in the car this weekend and you don’t know what caused that problem. How can you not be worried?
FA: I fully trust the team. They’ve been looking at every single component of the car for a month, they’ve been simulating the efforts, they’ve been doing so many tests, they’ve been changing every single part that they had some doubts about so I think we have the safest car right now, because of all the studies that they’ve done. And after one month, I’m probably the most medically checked driver in history so we should be fine, both of us.
Koliko je tole kredibilno? Kaj mislite?

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Angleščina je dovolj slaba in vprašanja dovolj tumasta, da lahko s precejšnjo gotovostjo trdimo, da to dejansko je Fernando Alonso na pressici.
Koliko je tole kredibilno? Kaj mislite?
Z drugimi besedami, niso ga zamenjali v bolnici.
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vilser ::
Po mojem je resnica nekje vmes. On trdi, da je bil problem pri volanu, ampak tega telemetrija ni pokazala. Pa, da nikoli ni zgubil zavesti, pa čeprav priče trdijo, da najmanj 10 minut po trku ni reagiral. Čudno in sumljivo je tole vse skupaj.

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Po mojem je resnica nekje vmes. On trdi, da je bil problem pri volanu, ampak tega telemetrija ni pokazala. Pa, da nikoli ni zgubil zavesti, pa čeprav priče trdijo, da najmanj 10 minut po trku ni reagiral. Čudno in sumljivo je tole vse skupaj.Nikjer ni tega trdil. Nasprotno. Celo pojasnil je zakaj in kdaj je izgubil zavest.
Drugo je, da mu ti tega ne verjameš...

BT52 ::
Bral sem tudi italijanske medije in piše, da je rekel, da nikoli ni zgubil zavesti.
Nope poglej konferenco in njegove izjave. Prazaprav bi se lahko imenovala "Alonso press conference" He he
Drugi deli so še na tem kanalu v zgornjem videju
Rekel da je izgubil zavest zaradi nekega anestetika za prevoz v Helikopterju in da se ne spomni 4 ur bolniške oskrbe. Bojda po njegovih besedah povsem normalno, da zavestnega človeka zaradi prevoza v bolnico uspavaš...
Kakorkoli obrneš Mcl in Alo vlečeta vsak na svojo stran in oba ne priznavata napake. Mogoče lahko naredimo kompromis in so vse 3 strani zamočile. Honda z malo voženim pogoskim sklopom z "kihajujočim" delovanjem (navorne špice z strani ERS-k&H sistemomv). Mclaren z slabo pripravljenim paketom sofware-a, ki na testih skupja z Hondu vsekakor ni obrodil sadov. Na koncu pa nesprečni Alo z nezmožnostjo priznanja resničnosti situacije. Vsekakor pa ima vsaka izjava jasno skupno točko, da ne omenjajo Honde...
Nimam pa zdravniškega znanja, da bi ocenil kaki so točni postopki v teh primerih.
Najboljša opcija je verjetno: Močan understeer (podkrmarjenje odnašanje zadka) zaradi "locka" zadnjih pnevmatik (izguba oprijema v lateralni* smeri drsenja=lahko posledica regen nastavitve, ali navornega sunka) iz naslova slabe nastavitve pogonskega sklopa. Potem zaradi malo prevoženih km je bila SW koda še sorazmeroma nova in Mcl napake ni opazil prej. Potem nadaljni potek trčenja pa je bil splet nesprečni okoliščin. Ker je šlo za notranjo stran tam ni bilo gum ali drugih vrst zaščitnih ograd (armco recimo), ki bi imele veliko moćnosti za deformacijo in absorbcijo udracev. Potem dalje, kot trka je se ravno pred ogrado kjučno zravnal tako, da je bil ravno v osi največjih lateralnih obremenitev dirkalnika za katere je vzmetenje narejeno da jih zanesljivo prenaša. Čas in sila udarca (sunek sile) se tako ni uspešno absorbirala preko raznih "lomljenj" delov okoli dirkača ampak je dobil direktno dozo na telo skzi šasijo. Vemo pa da so dirkači tako tesno privezani z dirkalnik, da so dobesedno kot del šasije. Tako je Alo dobil konkreteno neuogoden stranski udarni val za katere telo nomarno ni najbolje pripravljeno. Telo prenaša izjmeno dobro čelne trke in kot smo spoznili pri Julesu je stranska kompenenta pospeška pe VELIKO bolj nevarna...
Opombe:
*tj. normala/pravokotnica na tangento ovinka
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vilser ::
On je rekel, da je zgubil zavest, ko je bil v rešilcu, vendar ta njegova trditev se ne ujema s pričami, ki trdijo, da ko je bil v dirkalniku ni reagiral kar nekaj minut. Pol, ko je prišel k sebi, je bil zelo vznemirjen, najbrž zaradi amnezije, ker se ni spomnil ničesar in ni vedel kje je, in šele potem so ga omamili in ga dali v rešilec.
Tko je blo po mojem. Zadeve se ne ujemajo.
Pa ta problem z volanom. Če bi bil problem pri volanu, pa moralo bi se to videt pri telemetriji. Nevem no ...
Sicer pa jutri se začnejo prosti treningi v Maleziji in napovedan je dež tako kot vsako leto. Morda bo kakšno moštvo presenetilo.
Tko je blo po mojem. Zadeve se ne ujemajo.
Pa ta problem z volanom. Če bi bil problem pri volanu, pa moralo bi se to videt pri telemetriji. Nevem no ...
Sicer pa jutri se začnejo prosti treningi v Maleziji in napovedan je dež tako kot vsako leto. Morda bo kakšno moštvo presenetilo.

roCkY ::
Sedaj zgleda da bo vse 3 dni dež. V torek je še zgledalo za nedeljo manjša verjetnost padavin. A glede na zadnje karte bo zračni tlak padal do ponedeljka in zna biti tudi nedelja precej mokra. Da le ne bo čas za sladoled.
Bommo videli kako bo podhranjeni Mclaren deloval v vodi. Ga bo elektrika izdala?
Bommo videli kako bo podhranjeni Mclaren deloval v vodi. Ga bo elektrika izdala?

vilser ::
Pa še nekaj, kako se lahko Alonso spomne, da je bil volan težek, če so ga na mestu omamili? Mah ...

Alexius Heristalski ::
Hamilton je na FP1 parkiral po štirih krogih potem, ko je slišal "klik" iz zadnjega dela dirkalnika.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12513...
1) Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:40.124
2) Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1:40.497
3) Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 1:40.985
4) Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:41.543
5) Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso, 1:41.596
6) Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 1:41.787
7) Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso, 1:41.803
8) Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1:41.882
9) Daniil Kvyat, Red Bull, 1:42.055
10) Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 1:42.064
11) Felipe Massa, Williams, 1:42.103
12) Pastor Maldonado, Lotus, 1:42.567
13) Raffaele Marciello, Sauber, 1:42.621
14) Fernando Alonso, McLaren, 1:42.885
15) Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1:42.893
16) Sergio Perez, Force India, 1:43.054
17) Jenson Button, McLaren, 1:43.100
18) Will Stevens, Manor, 1:46.686
19) Roberto Merhi, Manor, 1:47.683
20) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, No time
Hamilton, the race winner in Australia, would almost certainly have joined his team-mate at the head of the order but his session was over even before the Briton had a timed lap on the board when he was told to pull off the circuit after reporting hearing a "click" at the rear of his W06.
Mercedes had sent the Briton's car out for its early laps without the use of telemetry after problems in the garage and duly asked Hamilton to stop as a precaution. After subsequently conducting an investigation when the W06 was returned to the garage, the world champions confirmed that an engine problem had struck.
With drivers having access to just four penalty-free engines for the 19-race season, it remains to be seen whether Hamilton's unit can be repaired and pressed back into service either for the remainder of this weekend or later in the season. Paddy Lowe, Mercedes' Executive Director, told Sky F1 that the engine would "not necessarily" have to be changed for P2.
"There is a hardware problem that we need to go and fix, so we don't know exactly what we are going to do yet. We need to do some investigations in the next few minutes to decide what we are going to do for P2," Lowe told Ted Kravitz.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12513...
1) Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:40.124
2) Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1:40.497
3) Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 1:40.985
4) Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:41.543
5) Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso, 1:41.596
6) Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 1:41.787
7) Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso, 1:41.803
8) Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1:41.882
9) Daniil Kvyat, Red Bull, 1:42.055
10) Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 1:42.064
11) Felipe Massa, Williams, 1:42.103
12) Pastor Maldonado, Lotus, 1:42.567
13) Raffaele Marciello, Sauber, 1:42.621
14) Fernando Alonso, McLaren, 1:42.885
15) Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1:42.893
16) Sergio Perez, Force India, 1:43.054
17) Jenson Button, McLaren, 1:43.100
18) Will Stevens, Manor, 1:46.686
19) Roberto Merhi, Manor, 1:47.683
20) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, No time
fantje, ni blo slabo, samo dajte še v herbicidščini

TribesMan ::
McLaren ma po novem S-duct:
http://imgur.com/a/3R5WO
In kar je dost vzpodbudno, na prvih dveh postih treninginh so naredil kar nekaj krogov, okoli 90...
Tole je pa tud epic:
http://imgur.com/a/3R5WO
In kar je dost vzpodbudno, na prvih dveh postih treninginh so naredil kar nekaj krogov, okoli 90...
Tole je pa tud epic:
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TribesMan ::
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MaterVola ::
Edino pametno. Z varčevanjem na nepravih koncih so prišli do tega, da bolidi niso na stezi, ampak sedijo v garaži.

PrimozR ::
Bi mislil, da bo outlet S-ducta višje gor, morda na ravnem delu, da fila wake za stopnico nosu...
Ha, Alonso ni odpeljal niti ene dirke, pa je že na drugem motorju :)
Ha, Alonso ni odpeljal niti ene dirke, pa je že na drugem motorju :)
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Jst ::
Eno vprašanje: Kaj je res, da se na tisti umetni travi, relativno hitro naredi electrostatic charge?
Islam is not about "I'm right, you're wrong," but "I'm right, you're dead!"
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TribesMan ::
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Jst ::
Škoda Kimija, da je ostal v Q2, ker zgleda Ferrari kar konkurenčen.
Bravo Vettlu, da je po dveh letih Ferrari v prvi vrsti. (Če sem prav razumel komentatorja iz druge sobe.)
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TribesMan ::
Jup, točno 2 leti je, odkar je bil Massa 2. s Ferrarijem ravno tako v Maleziji.
Od takrat naprej je Alonso pobral par tretjih mest, to je pa tudi vse.
Od takrat naprej je Alonso pobral par tretjih mest, to je pa tudi vse.
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Super Sonic ::
Pa ne, sej Button se je menda do sedaj že pokazal kot izredno težak nasprotnik, samo v spomin koliko težav je imel z njim LH. Sicer sem pa prepričan, da ko bo McLaren letel proti prvim mestom, bo Alonso tako uredil, da bo imel stvari pod kontrolo.
Škoda Kimija dans, ne vem zakaj ga niso ven poslali ob enakem času kot Vettla. Kimi sicer ta vikend bistveno hitrejši od Vettla, po drugi strani pa nima šans v dežju.
Malo me je razočaral Rosberg, ki je spraševal po liniji vodilnega (Hamiltona). Vsekakor je Hamilton pričakal bolje pripravljen to leto.
Tule je odličen pregled sezone 2014, ki zelo dobro prikaže in osvetli dogajanje med sezono:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e2i7...
Jutri bo pomoje spet prekinjena dirka zaradi vremena, sicer bi znala biti pa zanimiva dirka.
Škoda Kimija dans, ne vem zakaj ga niso ven poslali ob enakem času kot Vettla. Kimi sicer ta vikend bistveno hitrejši od Vettla, po drugi strani pa nima šans v dežju.
Malo me je razočaral Rosberg, ki je spraševal po liniji vodilnega (Hamiltona). Vsekakor je Hamilton pričakal bolje pripravljen to leto.
Tule je odličen pregled sezone 2014, ki zelo dobro prikaže in osvetli dogajanje med sezono:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e2i7...
Jutri bo pomoje spet prekinjena dirka zaradi vremena, sicer bi znala biti pa zanimiva dirka.
Photography is an immediate reaction, drawing is a meditation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WKoN8K6nI&feature=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WKoN8K6nI&feature=share

Super Sonic ::
Lewis je dejansko odpeljal impresiven krog, če vzamemo v obzir dejstvo, kdaj ga je postavil. Sicer pa veliko težav s prometom danes (očitno) za vse.
Max Verstappen pa kar na šestem mestu:
http://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2015/...
Photography is an immediate reaction, drawing is a meditation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WKoN8K6nI&feature=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WKoN8K6nI&feature=share

Blinder ::
ob kateri uri je dirka jutri? na uradni strani ne nudijo več pretvorbe v čas obiskovalca. Nam pa dodatno zakomplicira življenje še sprememba ure.
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BorutK-73 ::
Na rtv piše ob 9h. Malezija mogoče ne premika časa.
http://4d.rtvslo.si/spored-4d/2015-03-29
http://4d.rtvslo.si/spored-4d/2015-03-29
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TribesMan ::
Malezija ne popravlja ure, tako da so UTC+8 vedno.
Mi gremo danes iz UTC+1 na UTC+2.
Torej če je start ob 16h po lokalni uri. To pomeni za nas 9h po stari uri, oziroma 10h po novi uri.
Če prav računam.
Mi gremo danes iz UTC+1 na UTC+2.
Torej če je start ob 16h po lokalni uri. To pomeni za nas 9h po stari uri, oziroma 10h po novi uri.
Če prav računam.
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Jst ::
Sedaj sem spet probal kupiti F1 Access, imam SKB kreditno Viso (poleg debetne), a se zalomi pri zadnjem koraku. Pokaže tisto stran, ko kaj plačaš in se tam ustavi.
Zakaj se mi to dogaja? Par dni nazaj, ko sem naročil brikete za psa, sem na isti način plačal in je šlo normalno naprej. Sedaj se pa vedno ustavi na tistem zaslonu, ko vpišeš podatke in klikniš Confrm in potem te naj bi redirectalo nazaj na stran, iz katere kupuješ. No, tam se ustavi.
Ima še kdo probleme? (Če ima kdo SKB in je hotel kupiti F1 Access)
Še nekaj: Ali sem slep, ali res nikjer ne piše, o tem, da če kupiš na spletni strani, ali imaš premium opcije na Android Appu? Ali obrano, če kupiš v aplikaciji, imaš dostop na formula1.com.
Zakaj se mi to dogaja? Par dni nazaj, ko sem naročil brikete za psa, sem na isti način plačal in je šlo normalno naprej. Sedaj se pa vedno ustavi na tistem zaslonu, ko vpišeš podatke in klikniš Confrm in potem te naj bi redirectalo nazaj na stran, iz katere kupuješ. No, tam se ustavi.
Ima še kdo probleme? (Če ima kdo SKB in je hotel kupiti F1 Access)
Še nekaj: Ali sem slep, ali res nikjer ne piše, o tem, da če kupiš na spletni strani, ali imaš premium opcije na Android Appu? Ali obrano, če kupiš v aplikaciji, imaš dostop na formula1.com.
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-Wole Soyinka, Literature Nobelist
|-|-|-|-|Proton decay is a tax on existence.|-|-|-|-|

connel ::

Sriple Tix ::
SuperSonic, ko sem jeseni na enem izmed forumov omenil, da bom navijal na Maxa, so bili ostali člani kar skeptični glede njegove vključitve v F1. Že zadnjič je imel obilo smole, da se ni uvrstil v zadnji del kvalifikacij, včeraj pa je dokazal, s kakšnega testa je mali ... ali pa Torro Rossu "paše" dež (hint: Seb in Monza
)


GTX970 ::

TribesMan ::
Zgleda da mam napačne podatke o startu dirke :)
Ni ob 16h ampak 15h lokalno.
Kimi... kilav štart pol pa še guma... ajajaj...
Ni ob 16h ampak 15h lokalno.
Kimi... kilav štart pol pa še guma... ajajaj...
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TribesMan ::
Kak štart Hulkenberga... :)
A se sam men zdi da so pri Ferrariju zaj...?
A se sam men zdi da so pri Ferrariju zaj...?
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TribesMan ::
Alonso prehitel Pereza :>
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TribesMan ::
Tud Alonso ga je prehitel, ene dva tri kroge pred Buttnom. Samo tega nismo videli...
A crap Mclaren...
Ferrari... wow...
A crap Mclaren...
Ferrari... wow...
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Sriple Tix ::
Max po začetni previdnosti in malce bojazljivi vožnji med "velikimi" v prvih nekaj krogih zdaj kaže ves svoj talent v borbi s prvim moštvom rdečega bika. Fascinantno, le da mašinerija zdrži do konca.

PrimozR ::
A Vettel je dejansko tako hiter, da konkurira Mercedesoma? Al je morda razlika v št. postankov.
Vredno ogleda ...
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