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Delujoč reaktor hladne fuzije kmalu v vsakem domu!

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Lion29 ::

in kaj je povedal?
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rockeye ::

Danes se začne pomemben test E-Cat-a v Italiji. Razstavili bodo modul razen reaktorjeve sredice in vse stehtali.
Test bo trajal 12 ur.
E-Cat bo deloval v takiimenovanem "self sustained modu". Se pravi napajanje bi rabil samo za zagon, potem bi napajal sam sebe.
Prisostvovali naj bi pomembni znanstveniki.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:Real-...

Bomo vidl je reku slep. 8-)
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/uFY7PR 50$ zastonj začetnega kapitala.

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Lion29 ::

rockete: keep us posted




Dom in Vrt: Izum, ki bo vsem spremenil življenje se en v vrsti takih izumov, tale naj bi proizvedel 5x vec energije kot jo porabi...sicer clanek precej laicni in zelo, zelo skop
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Pyr0Beast ::

Eh. Too good to be true.

(Pa že tako nobena naprava ne more proizvajati več energije kot jo porabi, vse kar naredi je samo to da ima večji output flux kakor input na račun 'izgorevanja', notri pa pretvarja en vir energije v drugega)
Some nanoparticles are more equal than others

Good work: Any notion of sanity and critical thought is off-topic in this place

Lion29 ::

ja seveda, saj vsi poznamo newtnove zakone ;)
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MIHAc27 ::

Jaz mislim da je problem samo v izkoristku. Pri gorenju so vedno ogromne toplotne izgube.
Če gledamo kot napravo, so zaenkrat najboljše solarne celice. Koristi vir, ki ga je povsod dovolj, obnovljiv in zastonj. Ampak to je pač kolektor energije v naravi.

PecenkA ::

Tle so eni updati dogajanja. http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:Real-...

ABX ::

Vaša inštalacija je uspešno spodletela!

Okapi ::

Eni še kar upajo na čudež>:D

O.

ABX ::

Sej to je glavni razlog zakaj "snake oil" produkti uspevajo.

Preveč si želimo da bi bili učinkoviti in želja zamegli razum.
Vaša inštalacija je uspešno spodletela!

guest #44 ::

Je pa vsaj treba priznat, da je zelo kvaliteten hoax. Pri večini ne gredo tako daleč.

Jst ::

Kaj se je pa dogajalo, tisti, ki ste spremljali?
Proton decay is a tax on existence.

dolenc ::

Pa če ste si mal prebral komentarje ki počasi curljajo ni zadeve nihče spluval, oziroma letijo bolj v smer, da je vse šlo ok.

Še mal pa se bo vidlo, če so blizu česa obetavnega :)

Aston_11 ::

Zaenkrat samo komentarji, o tehniki, ki je zadaj, je bolj malo.

]Fusion[ ::

Hank Mills writes:

So far, it seems that the test of the E-Cat went well. Around thirty scientists and engineers from around the world showed up. Among these individuals were Christos Stremmenos, who is on the board of directors of Defkalion. In addition, professors Levi and Ferrari from the University of Bologna were present at the test. Dr. Focardi also attended the test. Media representatives from NyTecnic, Radio 24, and Focus.it documented the test. They took many photos and videos that will be posted in the coming days.

On the technical side of things, it seems the E-Cat performed well. We do not have final numbers for energy in and out, but we have been told the E-Cat self sustained for four hours with no input. We were told the E-Cat itself got incredibly hot (so hot those present could not touch it), the heat exchanger worked well, a steam temperature of 110 C was recorded inside of the E-Cat, and the energy output was so much larger than the input, that there was no need to extend the length test.

What is very important is that no one has indicated the test was a failure, the results were bad, or that there was a major technical problem. From all reports, this test was a success. Of course we will have to wait until tomorrow for all of the information to be posted online, before we form a final conclusion.


Vir

Zaenkrat ni še noben kritiziral :)
"I am not an animal! I am a human being! I... am... a man!" - John Merrick

Qcube ::

Še vedno izgleda hoax, predvsem zaradi takih izjav "We were told the E-Cat itself got incredibly hot (so hot those present could not touch it),...". Kot da tej "znanstveniki" ne občutijo da je stvar vroča na razdalji 0,5m. WTF?

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Lion29 ::

jaz sem tako kot nekateri skepticen, ampak nekako full optimisticen...

najbolj bi pa bil vesel, da bi okapi dobil kol v rit (figuratively speaking, of course)
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energetik ::

Pa imajo ti "znanstveniki" pri sebi Geigerje? Ker kolikor mi je znano pri fuziji ven letijo precej neprijetne zadeve, kot so gama fotoni in nevtroni, oni pa imajo reakcijo v posodici, ki se jo dotikajo z rokami... :))
IMHO gre za neko kemijsko reakcijo. 4h testiranja? Naj pustijo tak output 1 leto, po strogim nadzorom, potem bomo pa videli, kako bo stvar špilala brez vnosa goriva..

Tarzan ::

Konec koncev, tudi če gre za kemijsko reakcijo, bi zadeva bila super, če bi le lahko proizvedla velike količine energije na račun lahko pridobljivih stabilnih reagentov. Saj, konec koncev je tudi jedrska reakcija neke vrste kemijska reakcija. ;)

MajorM ::

TUdi če se tole izkaže za nateg me prekleto zanima kako je to izvedel. :)

energetik ::

Tarzan je izjavil:

Konec koncev, tudi če gre za kemijsko reakcijo, bi zadeva bila super, če bi le lahko proizvedla velike količine energije na račun lahko pridobljivih stabilnih reagentov.
To že mamo, ene par 10.000 let. Imenujejo se DRVA.

Saj, konec koncev je tudi jedrska reakcija neke vrste kemijska reakcija. ;)
WTF?

guest #44 ::

No, jaz dopuščam možnost kake kemične reakcije...kar kot že povedano niti nebi bilo slabo v kolikor so materiali zlo poceni.

Mogoče je ponesreči izumu kako novo baterijo al kej takega

Lion29 ::

lol@ponesreci :D
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Okapi ::

najbolj bi pa bil vesel, da bi okapi dobil kol v rit
Že mogoče, ampak v resnici boš kol v rit (figuratively speaking, of course), dobil ti (skupaj z vsemi drugimi naivci, ki jim ni že od daleč jasno, da gre za nateg).

O.

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Lion29 ::

we shall see... I am rooting for the stick in your end ;)

bi blo fajn, da bi blo vsaj delcek tega res...

dokler tale italjan od mene terja le pozitivni optimizem in upanje, se pac lahko grem naivnosti... verjetno bi bil v drugih okoliscinah veliko bolj previden... zdaj me pa ne kosta prakticno nic.... se vedno pa ne morem iti "all in"...
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Pyr0Beast ::

Nafutraš notri par kil magnezija, pa imaš gorenja za 4 ure+

Že 1 ! L dizla ti da ven 10kWh energije.

Zadeva je na komot malo over-ratan plinski grelnik.
Some nanoparticles are more equal than others

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PecenkA ::

Lion29 ::

"Within a few months the product will be on the market, and the best test is done by the customers who will come back with the product if it doesn't work", he told Ny Teknik.


tole kar mocno zbode v oci :D... okapi bi rekel, da bo tako nagrabil nekaj kesha in zaprl barako in sel na sejsele....kupci pa bodo jamrali v prazno :D
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rockeye ::

Vse skupaj zgleda optimistično. Nekateri pravijo, da so razočarani nad outputom (samo 3.5kW) ampak point ni količina outputa ampak ali sploh deluje.
Če zadeva ne bi delovala, bi ga verjetno vsi skeptiki raztrgal, tko je pa vse tiho, ker ne vejo kaj napisat :)

Še mal tehničnih podatkov za tiste ki se spoznate, meni prav dosti ne pomeni, ker sem na tem področju laik.
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article...

Zanimivo bo spremljat reporte... Tisti ki kaj najdete limajte linke.:D
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/uFY7PR 50$ zastonj začetnega kapitala.

PecenkA ::

Če sem prav razumel je deloval samo en od treh "reaktorjev" v napravi pa še ta na 1/3 kapacitete.

Matev ::

and the best test is done by the customers who will come back


hehe

in on bo z denarjem že kje daleč daleč stran

lol
da morjo kupci testirati če zadeva deluje ??? bolano

Lion29 ::

valda moras vzeti iz konkteksta... mislim ej :|
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Pyr0Beast ::

Lol 4 ure ga pitajo s 2.5kW
Pa še potems 100W+

Nego kam pa bo šla vsa ta toplota ?

Lahko je ves hec tega samo delanje hidridov iz niklja ter razpad vsega skupaj oksidacija ali kaj podobnega, če je končna teža večja od začetne.
Some nanoparticles are more equal than others

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Matev ::

valda moras vzeti iz konkteksta... mislim ej


a oni tudi tebi denar iz konteksta vzamejo

ali kar direktno iz denarnice???

verjetno iz denarnice - ane?

rockeye ::

PecenkA je izjavil:

Če sem prav razumel je deloval samo en od treh "reaktorjev" v napravi pa še ta na 1/3 kapacitete.


Ja tko pravijo.

Tko kot je že en rekel, če je hoax je "damn good one". Ne vem, da bi šel Rossi čez vse to in nategnil toliko strokovnjakov... Hmm malo verjetno.
Bolj je za verjet, da sicer zadeva deluje ampak mogoče ne točno tko kot on trdi, recimo da se vse skupaj zjebe v enem mescu. To bi bil recimo verjetna natega.
Pa še to je prototip. Ko bojo znanstveniki širom sveta začeli nadgrajevati njegov izum.... samo pomislite, kakšen napredek si lahko obetamo.
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/uFY7PR 50$ zastonj začetnega kapitala.

zee ::

Ne vem, kaj glumijo. Po reakciji naj razstavijo zadeve in poanalizirajo produkte. Simpl ko pasulj in *bazicna* znanost.
zee
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Aston_11 ::

na sliki pa zgleda, kot da bi ga ruskoti varili, vse rjavo, ožgano od ognja

http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article...

Loocas ::

Pri reakciji nastaja baker. Torej ni ožgano od ognja.

zee ::

Nikelj v prahu + H2 + posoda z zrakom. Tako "na uc" bi rekel, da tip izvaja enostavno oksidacijo vodika v vodo, pri cemer se sproscata voda v plinastem agregatnem stanju in toplota. Slednjo odvaja hladilna voda.

V porocilu, ki je bil linkan, baker ni bil omenjen. Slednji lahko zaradi sirjenja posode, do katerega prihaja zaradi kemijske reakcije in plinastih produktov, enostavno odpade iz notranje stene posode.

Ce je dovod plinastega vodika konstanten, potem lahko tudi reakcija poteka prav lepo kontrolirano. Na zacetku je potrebna iskra, potem pa reakcija "tece sama", vse dokler se dovaja vodik.

Se kaj?
zee
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Loocas ::

rockeye je izjavil:

Ko bojo znanstveniki širom sveta začeli nadgrajevati njegov izum.... samo pomislite, kakšen napredek si lahko obetamo.


Saj to je fora vsega tega. Zadeva je v osnovi prototip.
Kot je bil prvi jedrski reaktor v elektrarni pol stoletja in več nazaj.

Verjetno to ni edini par kovin, ki tako reagira.

zee je izjavil:

Nikelj v prahu + H2 + posoda z zrakom. Tako "na uc" bi rekel, da tip izvaja enostavno oksidacijo vodika v vodo, pri cemer se sproscata voda v plinastem agregatnem stanju in toplota. Slednjo odvaja hladilna voda.


A misliš, da tega niso že preverili?

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zee ::

Ce ni eksplicitno povedano, da so izvor bakra preverili, potem smatram, da tega niso naredili. Brez date ne morem sklepat na nic.
zee
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Qcube ::

zee je izjavil:

Nikelj v prahu + H2 + posoda z zrakom. Tako "na uc" bi rekel, da tip izvaja enostavno oksidacijo vodika v vodo, pri cemer se sproscata voda v plinastem agregatnem stanju in toplota. Slednjo odvaja hladilna voda.

V porocilu, ki je bil linkan, baker ni bil omenjen. Slednji lahko zaradi sirjenja posode, do katerega prihaja zaradi kemijske reakcije in plinastih produktov, enostavno odpade iz notranje stene posode.

Ce je dovod plinastega vodika konstanten, potem lahko tudi reakcija poteka prav lepo kontrolirano. Na zacetku je potrebna iskra, potem pa reakcija "tece sama", vse dokler se dovaja vodik.

Se kaj?


Google najde precej o tem. Sem našel tole iz leta 1974. Kaj je to ista reakcija? Link

MajorM ::

Zanimivo kako so stvar najprej 4 uri "filali" z 2.5kW. Nato pa 3 ure praznili z 3kW....

"Digital bathroom scale used for weighing the E-cat. It was calibrated by two persons knowing their weight."
:)

Tole me je pa nasmejalo.

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guest #44 ::

^^

lol

Moje mnenje je da sodeluje z italjansko mafijo, ki mu je tudi sofinancirala nabavo opreme/materialov za ta zanimiv hoax.

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zee ::

@Qcube:
Nekaj takega, ja. IOW: prav nic takega, cesar se ne bi dalo pojasniti s srednjesolskim znanjem kemije.

Brez alkemije in FUDa
zee
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Loocas ::

a ne z osnovnošolskim??

mislim, dajte no...

zee ::

Vlogo katalizatorjev v kemijskih reakcijah, plinske zakone in sorodne stvari se obicajno uci v srednjih solah, zato sem napisal tako kot sem, zavedajoc se, da sem offtopic.
zee
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Loocas ::

http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:Real-...

October 7, 2012

Earlier today, we sent an email to Andrea Rossi, that contained a number of questions, about the test that was performed yesterday on October 6, 2011. He has promptly responded with answers, although he states some issues are confidential. I would like to thank him for taking the time to answer our questions.
- -
DEAR ALL,

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUOUS ATTENTION. PLEASE FIND THE ANSWERS IN BLOCK LETTERS ALONG YOUR TEXT:

Dear Andrea Rossi,

In regards to the latest test of the Energy Catalyzer, I have a number of questions I hope you can answer.

1) My understanding is that if a reactor core is not adjusted to be under-powered (below its maximum potential) in self-sustain mode, it can have a tendency to become unstable and climb in output. If the reactor is left in an unstable self-sustaining mode for too long, the output can climb to potentially dangerous levels. Can you provide some information about how the reactor core in the test was adjusted to self-sustain in a safe manner?

NO, VERY SORRY

a) For example, there was only one active reactor core in the module tested. How was the single reactor core adjusted to be under-powered?

CONFIDENTIAL INFO

b) Is adjusting the reactor core as simple as lowering the hydrogen pressure?

2) What is the power consumption of the device that "produces frequencies" that was mentioned in the NyTeknik article? Although the power consumption of this device is probably insignificant, providing a figure could help put to rest the idea (that some are suggesting) that a large amount of power was being consumed by the frequency-generating device, and transmitted into the reactor.

THE ENERGY CONSUMED FROM THE FREQUENCY GENERATOR IS 50 WH/H AND IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED, BECAUSE THIS APPARATUS WAS PLUGGED IN THE SAME LINE WHERE THE ENERGY-CONSUME MEASUREMENT HAS BEEN DONE


a) Can you tell us anything more about this frequency generating device and its function?

NO, SORRY, THIS IS A CONFIDENTIAL ISSUE

b) Is the frequency-generating device turned on at all times when a module is in operation, or only when a module is in self-sustain mode?

CONFIDENTIAL ISSUE

c) Some are suggesting that this device is "the" catalyst that drives the reactions in the reactor core. However, you have stated in the past that the catalyst is actually one or more physical elements (in addition to nickel and hydrogen) that are placed in the reactor core. Can you confirm that physical catalysts are used in the reactor?

YES, I CONFIRM THIS

3) Does the reaction have to be quenched with additional water flow though the reactor, or is reducing the hydrogen pressure enough to end the reactions on its own?

NEEDS ADDITIONAL QUENCHING

a) If reducing the hydrogen pressure (or venting it completely) is not enough to turn off the module, could it be due to the fact some hydrogen atoms are still bonded to nickel atoms, and undergoing nuclear reactions?

YES

b) If there is some other reason why reducing hydrogen pressure is not enough to quickly turn off the module, could you please specify?


Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions, and for allowing a test to be performed that clearly shows anomalous and excess energy being produced. Hopefully, the world will notice the significance of this test.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND, SINCE I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOT TIME TO ANSWER (I MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR YOU) PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT BEFORE THE SELF SUSTAINING MODE THE REACTOR WAS ALREADY PRODUCING ENERGY MORE THAN IT CONSUMED, SO THAT THE ENERGY CONSUMED IS NOT LOST, BUT TURNED INTO ENERGY ITSELF, THEREFORE IS NOT PASSIVE. ANOTHER IMPORTANT INFORMATION: IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE REPORT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE SPOTS OF DRIVE WITH THE RESISTANCE HAVE A DURATION OF ABOUT 10 MINUTES, WHILE THE DURATION OF THE SELF SUSTAINING MODES IS PROGRESSIVELY LONGER, UNTIL IT ARRIVES TO BE UP TO HOURS. BESIDES, WE PRODUCED AT LEAST 4.3 kWh/h FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS AND CONSUMED AN AVERAGE OF 1.3 kWh/h FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS, SO THAT WE MADE IN TOTAL DURING THE TEST 25.8 kWh AND CONSUMED IN TOTAL DURING THE TEST 3.9 kWh. iN THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO, WHICH MEANS NOT CONSIDERING THAT THE CONSUME IS MAINLY MADE DURING THE HEATING OF THE REACTOR DURING THE FIRST 2 HOURS, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT THE WORST POSSIBLE RATIO IS 25.8 : 3.9 AND THIS IS THE COP 6 WHICH WE ALWAYS SAID. OF COURSE, THE COP IS BETTER, BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THE REACTOR, ONCE IN TEMPERATURE, NEEDS NOT TO BE HEATED AGAIN FROM ROOM TEMPERATURE TO OPERATIONAL TEMPERATURE.

zee ::

Se vedno mislim, da v reaktorju poteka zgolj oksidacija vodika ob prisotnosti nikljevega katalizatorja.

Odgovori tega avtorja so povsem neprepricljivi (uporaba velikih tiskanih crk ne vpliva na verodostojnost), saj niti z besedo ne omenja znanosti v ozadju.
zee
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Loocas ::

Velike črke ločijo odgovore od vprašanj. Nima veze to z verodostojnostjo.

"Just wait 20 days since now: the plant will be inaugurated, and it will be clear to you that the plant is able to produce A LOT of energy "

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