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jype ::
Zanimivo, kako je treba počakat skoraj do konca drugega mandata, preden se lahko naučiš lekcije:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7236054.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7236054.stm
Thomas ::
Ne morš vsega teoretično dodelat. Včasih je treba napravit kakšen eksperiment.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
Ja, včasih pač mora umret kakšen miljonček, da se reči skristalizirajo. Nič posebnega.
Saj je že Stalin djal, da to je samo statistika, nič strašnega.
Povsem razumem vašo držo, se pa z njo ne strinjam. Naj še enkrat dodam zanimivo povezavo: http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/ (da ne bo kdo brez potrebe živel v Thomasovi zablodi).
Saj je že Stalin djal, da to je samo statistika, nič strašnega.
Povsem razumem vašo držo, se pa z njo ne strinjam. Naj še enkrat dodam zanimivo povezavo: http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/ (da ne bo kdo brez potrebe živel v Thomasovi zablodi).
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Thomas ::
Jih bo umrlo milijon, da ne bi še naprej umirali po milijon na VSAKIH par let, kot so doslej?
Morda. Sicer bi bilo fino, če ne bi noben, ampak ni kar vse mogoče, kar si želimo.
Sem povedal že maljonkrat.
Zahodna in samo Zahodna civilizacija drastično zmanjša umore. V Iraku so del folklore, kot pri nas postavljanje mlajev.
Samo Jure še vedno sanja o Sadamovi sekularni državi, socializmu po iraško, i Amerika i Engleska bit če zemlja proleterska ... in bogsigavedi kaj še.
Morda. Sicer bi bilo fino, če ne bi noben, ampak ni kar vse mogoče, kar si želimo.
Sem povedal že maljonkrat.
More than a third of the Yanomamo males, on average, died from warfare. [Keeley: War before civilization: The myth of the peaceful savage]
Men who participated in killings had more wives and children than those who did not.[(Chagnon 1998; Chagnon 1992)]
Some Yanomamo men, however, reflected on the futility of their feuds and made it known that they would have nothing to do with the raiding. These findings, originally reported by Chagnon, have been empirically replicated several times.
Zahodna in samo Zahodna civilizacija drastično zmanjša umore. V Iraku so del folklore, kot pri nas postavljanje mlajev.
Samo Jure še vedno sanja o Sadamovi sekularni državi, socializmu po iraško, i Amerika i Engleska bit če zemlja proleterska ... in bogsigavedi kaj še.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Daedalus ::
Jih bo umrlo milijon, da ne bi še naprej umirali po milijon na VSAKIH par let, kot so doslej?
To je ogabna predpostavka. S podobnimi predpostavkami so razni Stalini, Mao Cedongi, Rdeči Kmeri in kaj je še takega sranja opravičevali svoje socialne inženiringe. Jih pač "ene par" odpišeš...a ne?
Sej mi je jasno, kaj hočeš opravičevat. Sam na tak način je no go. To je pač barbarsko - kot da bi opravičeval žrtvovanja ljudi za boljšo letino. Jih damo ene par na stran, da bojo bogovi hepi in bo pšenica bogato obrodila.
To je ogabna predpostavka. S podobnimi predpostavkami so razni Stalini, Mao Cedongi, Rdeči Kmeri in kaj je še takega sranja opravičevali svoje socialne inženiringe. Jih pač "ene par" odpišeš...a ne?
Sej mi je jasno, kaj hočeš opravičevat. Sam na tak način je no go. To je pač barbarsko - kot da bi opravičeval žrtvovanja ljudi za boljšo letino. Jih damo ene par na stran, da bojo bogovi hepi in bo pšenica bogato obrodila.
Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world,
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
Thomas ::
> Jih damo ene par na stran, da bojo bogovi hepi in bo pšenica bogato obrodila.
To je povsem naravno razmišljanje. Tako so delala vsa plemena vso zgodovino. Kelti, Iliri, Slovani vključno.
Metoda kontrole populacije. Laufala od naci Nemčije, Turčije v začetku prejšnjega stoletja, Slovenije po 1945, Maovega skoka naprej, Sadamove oblasti, Ruande, Darfurja in Severne Koreje danes, morda Kenije jutri.
Nenaraven sistem ameriške okupacije Nemčije in nenaraven sistem ameriške okupacije Iraka, kjer je misija uničenje te tisočletne tradicije, ki je uspela ali uspeva ... pač to "naravnost" prekinja.
Enim gre pa od tega na bruhanje, pravijo. Mislijo, da bi plemena morala še naprej po svoje. Ali se kvečjemu prostovoljno odreči teh starih izročil.
Skrajno zanimiva je tale psihologija, skrajno zanimiva.
To je povsem naravno razmišljanje. Tako so delala vsa plemena vso zgodovino. Kelti, Iliri, Slovani vključno.
Metoda kontrole populacije. Laufala od naci Nemčije, Turčije v začetku prejšnjega stoletja, Slovenije po 1945, Maovega skoka naprej, Sadamove oblasti, Ruande, Darfurja in Severne Koreje danes, morda Kenije jutri.
Nenaraven sistem ameriške okupacije Nemčije in nenaraven sistem ameriške okupacije Iraka, kjer je misija uničenje te tisočletne tradicije, ki je uspela ali uspeva ... pač to "naravnost" prekinja.
Enim gre pa od tega na bruhanje, pravijo. Mislijo, da bi plemena morala še naprej po svoje. Ali se kvečjemu prostovoljno odreči teh starih izročil.
Skrajno zanimiva je tale psihologija, skrajno zanimiva.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Daedalus ::
Meni je bolj zanimiva ona psihologija, ki uporabi predpostavke, katere domnevno zavrača, za opravičevanje lastnih miselnih akrobacij. Zelo zanimivo, ni kaj. Tud Mao pride prav, ko je treba opravičevati kikse v socialnem inženiringu Zahoda. Pa še vedno nisem šur, če si poštekal, kaj hočem povedat.
A je fosforiranje Faluđe upravičeno žrtvovanje civilnega prebivalstva za svetlo prihodnost? Al pa razčefuk Dresdena? Se ti mogoče že svita, kaj ti hočem povedat - kam vodi tvoja predpostavka o žrtvovani milijardi (iz ene druge teme) za boljšo prihodnost preostalih petih? Al pa tale - jih milijon pobijemo tu in zdaj, da bojo (mogoče) ostali živeli srečno do konca svojih dni.
A je fosforiranje Faluđe upravičeno žrtvovanje civilnega prebivalstva za svetlo prihodnost? Al pa razčefuk Dresdena? Se ti mogoče že svita, kaj ti hočem povedat - kam vodi tvoja predpostavka o žrtvovani milijardi (iz ene druge teme) za boljšo prihodnost preostalih petih? Al pa tale - jih milijon pobijemo tu in zdaj, da bojo (mogoče) ostali živeli srečno do konca svojih dni.
Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world,
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
Thomas ::
Še zate tlele, kar sem napisal v drugi temi:
Vsak dan na svetu umre 150 tisoč ljudi.
"Normalno in naravno" bi bilo, da bi jih bilo od tega kakšnih 50 tisoč umrlo od človeške roke. Homicida. Vsak dan.
V nekaterih področjih sveta se tega plana mačehe narave kar dobro držijo. Izpolnijo svojo kvoto. Samo v bolj civiliziranih državah pa potem to statistiko pokvarijo. Neverjetno malo ljudi umre v umorih in vojnah.
Že 20. stoletje v Evropi, pa če se še tako čudno sliši, NI izpolnjevalo Matildine norme, da 1/3 se pobijemo med sabo. Komaj kakšen Stalin in Hitler sta prišla blizu tega "plana" v svojih deželah, med najbolj uspešnimi leti.
Da bi se Pakistani in Afganistani in podobni zdržali skoraj čisto brez, je mau težko. Počasi pa le gre. Bo vojna nizke intenzitete trajala še dolgo? Mogoče celo ta ne! Ve se pa ne.
Vsak dan na svetu umre 150 tisoč ljudi.
"Normalno in naravno" bi bilo, da bi jih bilo od tega kakšnih 50 tisoč umrlo od človeške roke. Homicida. Vsak dan.
V nekaterih področjih sveta se tega plana mačehe narave kar dobro držijo. Izpolnijo svojo kvoto. Samo v bolj civiliziranih državah pa potem to statistiko pokvarijo. Neverjetno malo ljudi umre v umorih in vojnah.
Že 20. stoletje v Evropi, pa če se še tako čudno sliši, NI izpolnjevalo Matildine norme, da 1/3 se pobijemo med sabo. Komaj kakšen Stalin in Hitler sta prišla blizu tega "plana" v svojih deželah, med najbolj uspešnimi leti.
Da bi se Pakistani in Afganistani in podobni zdržali skoraj čisto brez, je mau težko. Počasi pa le gre. Bo vojna nizke intenzitete trajala še dolgo? Mogoče celo ta ne! Ve se pa ne.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Thomas ::
> A je fosforiranje Faluđe upravičeno žrtvovanje civilnega prebivalstva za svetlo prihodnost?
A je upravičeno pa odjenjat in pustiti Alkajdi oporišča?
Se boš ukvarjal z moralo toliko časa, da bo to tvoje ukvarjanje z moralo postalo nekaj zelo nemoralnega, saj zaradi neakcije umre še več ljudi?
A je upravičeno pa odjenjat in pustiti Alkajdi oporišča?
Se boš ukvarjal z moralo toliko časa, da bo to tvoje ukvarjanje z moralo postalo nekaj zelo nemoralnega, saj zaradi neakcije umre še več ljudi?
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Daedalus ::
Od kdaj velja formula
civilno prebivalstvo = Al Kajda
?
civilno prebivalstvo = Al Kajda
?
Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world,
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
he is responsible for everything he does.
[J.P.Sartre]
Thomas ::
Ne vem jest, da bi ta formula veljala. Tudi ne velja formula, da talci v banki so roparji banke, ampak včasih ustrelijo tudi kakšnega občana za okencem. Stvar taktike, koliko se civilnim žrtvam lahko izogneš. Popolnoma žal nikoli.
Edit:
Ali pa kadar imaš (precej) sreče. Kadar se pa Alkadajisti zabarikadirajo med civilno prebivalstvo, je pa sploh težavno.
Edit:
Ali pa kadar imaš (precej) sreče. Kadar se pa Alkadajisti zabarikadirajo med civilno prebivalstvo, je pa sploh težavno.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
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Thomas ::
Ne. Bomo kar pustili, da imajo Kalifat. Kolikor na široko se jim bo zahotelo.
Pa obrnimo mizo! Pri kateri meji bi se po potrebi branili pred Alkajdo tudi z jedrskim orožjem? Turško iraški? Grško turški? Na Kolpi? Na Karavankah? Nikoli in nikdar?
Pa obrnimo mizo! Pri kateri meji bi se po potrebi branili pred Alkajdo tudi z jedrskim orožjem? Turško iraški? Grško turški? Na Kolpi? Na Karavankah? Nikoli in nikdar?
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
gfighter ::
Kako že gre tista pesmica? AlQaida-Iraq, Iraq-AlQaida, Iraq-AlQaida, AlQaida-Iraq, Iraq-AlQaida, AlQaida-Iraq, AlQaida-Iraq... S takšnim argumentiranjem si zgolj protagonist laži. Če si pa poleg tega še tak idiot, da ti pride na misel metat nuke po civilnih predmestjih zato, ker se menda notri skrivajo pripadniki Alkaide, ti pa ni pomoči.
No, pa saj drugače se razumemo (upam). Vsi bi pomagali onim tam doli, da vidijo "the error of their ways". Ti le ne spredvidiš, da je trenutni način pomoči del problema. Nič novega, pravzaprav...
No, pa saj drugače se razumemo (upam). Vsi bi pomagali onim tam doli, da vidijo "the error of their ways". Ti le ne spredvidiš, da je trenutni način pomoči del problema. Nič novega, pravzaprav...
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput saxum immane mittam
T-h-o-r ::
Pri kateri meji bi se po potrebi branili pred Alkajdo tudi z jedrskim orožjem? Turško iraški? Grško turški? Na Kolpi? Na Karavankah? Nikoli in nikdar?
Ker se seveda milijone bojevnikov že desetletje pripravlja na zavzetje planeta z ultramodernim orožjem, nam ne preostane nič drugega kot vojna....
Ker se seveda milijone bojevnikov že desetletje pripravlja na zavzetje planeta z ultramodernim orožjem, nam ne preostane nič drugega kot vojna....
Why have a civilization anymore
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
Thomas ::
> Če si pa poleg tega še tak idiot, da ti pride na misel metat nuke po civilnih predmestjih zato, ker se menda notri skrivajo pripadniki Alkaide, ti pa ni pomoči.
To nikakor ni izključeno. Ko bodo in če bodo poskušali lansirati nuklearno raketo iz središča Teherana v Ljubljano ... jaz ne bi pomišljal niti trenutek, ampak bi udaril z nuklearnim ali kakršnimkoli drugim orožjem prej po središču Teherana.
Nuklearna vojna je vedno opcija. Vem, da se vam večini prej zrola, preden to možnost trezno razmislite.
Vaš problem.
To nikakor ni izključeno. Ko bodo in če bodo poskušali lansirati nuklearno raketo iz središča Teherana v Ljubljano ... jaz ne bi pomišljal niti trenutek, ampak bi udaril z nuklearnim ali kakršnimkoli drugim orožjem prej po središču Teherana.
Nuklearna vojna je vedno opcija. Vem, da se vam večini prej zrola, preden to možnost trezno razmislite.
Vaš problem.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Thomas ::
> Ker se seveda milijone bojevnikov že desetletje pripravlja na zavzetje planeta z ultramodernim orožjem, nam ne preostane nič drugega kot vojna....
Z ultramodernim orožjem ali samo z rukzaki polnimi TNT, ni temeljne razlike. Vojna JE ŽE. V njej sodelujejo tudi slovenski vojaki, čeprav bi bili vi radi nevtralni. Nismo.
Z ultramodernim orožjem ali samo z rukzaki polnimi TNT, ni temeljne razlike. Vojna JE ŽE. V njej sodelujejo tudi slovenski vojaki, čeprav bi bili vi radi nevtralni. Nismo.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
T-h-o-r ::
s kom natanko smo v vojni?
Why have a civilization anymore
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
Thomas ::
S kom smo v vojni? S Talibani, Alkajdo in fundamentalisti sploh. Vojno so oni začeli. Deklarirali. Da bodo spreobrnili ali pobili nevernike.
Lahko se eni sprenevedate da to ni res. Pojdite na izlet v Alžirijo, če ne verjamete.
Lahko se eni sprenevedate da to ni res. Pojdite na izlet v Alžirijo, če ne verjamete.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
krneki0001 ::
Pojdite na izlet v Alžirijo, če ne verjamete.
Ne natolcuj, če nisi prepričan v to. V alžirijo greš komot in brez problemov se voziš naokoli s svojim avtom in se pogovarjaš s komerkoli, nihče ti nič noče. Pa še bencin imajo zelo poceni.
V libiji je pa še bolje in cena bencina noro dobra. Zadnja cena za liter bencina je bila 0,07 evra. Brez policije in brez spremstva smo se peljali kamorkoli smo hoteli in povsod so bili ljudje zelo ljubeznivi in z vsakim smo se lahko pogovarjali. Očitno gadafi le ni tak tiran kot to nekateri trdite.
Tudi v iraku pred prvo vojno leta 1990 je bilo enako. Nihče ti ni nič hotel narest, vsak se je s tabo normalno pogovarjal. Ženske so hodile v mini krilcih naokoli, vozle so avtomobile in z njimi si se lahko pogovarjal brez, da bi te kak njen brat nadziral. Kristjani so imeli celo svoje cerkve in lahko si šel molit, če ti je pasalo, pa te noben zato ni podil ali karkoli rekel. Danes v iraku ne stoji nobene krščanske cerkve več, pa nobveno dekle ne hodi naokoli v mini krilcu. Celo izza štedilnika ne gredo več, v šolo še manj, da bi se pa s tujcem pogovarjale, jih pa kamnejajo do smrti.
In če je to cena napredka, potem pa naj bo to napredek, ampak zame je to samo izgovor američanov, da so državo pahnili v bedo in za najmanj 200 let nazaj v preteklost, ter da so si nakopali gnev še tistih, ki so jih prej podpirali.
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Thomas ::
Kaj naj ti rečem? Pojdi v Alžirijo. Na dopust za pol leta.
Še mau "imperialistične propagande" za druge.
Še mau "imperialistične propagande" za druge.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
krneki0001 ::
Zakaj bi šel na dopust za pol leta? Dopusta imam 23 delavnih dni in od tega jih zabijem v arabskih državah okol 15 + 4x vikend. Pa do sedaj še nikoli nisem imel problemov.
Pač, včasih sem se igral z avtočki v domačem peskovniku pred blokom, zdej se igram pa v mal večjem peskovniku in z mal večjim avtom.
Pač, včasih sem se igral z avtočki v domačem peskovniku pred blokom, zdej se igram pa v mal večjem peskovniku in z mal večjim avtom.
drejc ::
Meni se tudi živali v Živalskem vrtu smilijo.
"Rise above oneself and grasp the world"
- Archimedes of Syracuse
- Archimedes of Syracuse
perci ::
Meni se tudi živali v Živalskem vrtu smilijo.Lepo si ponazoril, kako deluje vaša propaganda, ni kaj. Sam še čakam, da predlagaš, da vse muslimane zapremo v taborišča in jih zaplinimo. Potem ne bo več težav z njimi. Potem pridejo na vrsto revni. Kakšen lep svet bo to brez revnih ljudi.
Thomas ::
Ti imaš težave s tem, Perci, ti. To so tvoje konstrukcije, kaj bi nekdo drug rad, na podlagi strukture tvojega mišljenja in naziranja.
Ne moreš si misliti, da je nekdo res sočuten do recimo Iračanov in jim daje ultimat. Zdej se boste pa prenehali obnašati kot živali! (Čeprav so se tako obnašali tudi naši predniki stoletja in tisočletja nazaj, to sploh ni važno!)
Ne moreš si misliti, da je komu bolj mar do ljudi kot do folklore. To je tebi in podobnim nerazumljivo. Vi ste multikulturniki ki bi dali "njihovi kulturi" možmost, da se izživlja nad svojimi podaniki kot se je doslej.
Mi pa pravimo, da tega dovolj in da bodo odslej obvezno imeli demokracijo. Če se bodo v protestiranju proti temu pobijali kot podivjani - kar so Iračani leto nazaj se - tega ne štejemo na konto Amerike, ampak na njihov lastni. Mogoče malo tudi na konto "mirovnikov" ki se tega veselite, ko se derete "smo rekli da ne invazije nad Sadama!"
Jasno?
Ne moreš si misliti, da je nekdo res sočuten do recimo Iračanov in jim daje ultimat. Zdej se boste pa prenehali obnašati kot živali! (Čeprav so se tako obnašali tudi naši predniki stoletja in tisočletja nazaj, to sploh ni važno!)
Ne moreš si misliti, da je komu bolj mar do ljudi kot do folklore. To je tebi in podobnim nerazumljivo. Vi ste multikulturniki ki bi dali "njihovi kulturi" možmost, da se izživlja nad svojimi podaniki kot se je doslej.
Mi pa pravimo, da tega dovolj in da bodo odslej obvezno imeli demokracijo. Če se bodo v protestiranju proti temu pobijali kot podivjani - kar so Iračani leto nazaj se - tega ne štejemo na konto Amerike, ampak na njihov lastni. Mogoče malo tudi na konto "mirovnikov" ki se tega veselite, ko se derete "smo rekli da ne invazije nad Sadama!"
Jasno?
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
krneki0001 ::
Thomas, tvoje budalaštine okol mirovnikov so totalno mimo. Že odkar sem se malo bolj zavedel, sem militarist in to sem tudi pri svojih 34 letih. Nisem nikakršni mirovnik, še vedno mi je več do pobijanja ljudi, kot pa do tega, da bi jim kruh dajal.
Trdim pa, da to kar ti vidiš iz naslonjonjača po TVju ali internetu ni tista prava slika. Prava slika se bo pokazala šele ko bodo iz iraka ameriški vojaki odšli. Nastal bo pa enak kaos kot takrat, ko so talibani prevzeli afganistan.
Sicer pa veš kako se dela po celem svetu (primer je pa iz ljubljane):
KO NA ENI STRANI LJUBLJANICE NEKDO ZAKAŠLJA, NA DRUGI STRANI ŽE GOVORIJO, DA JE ZA PLJUČNICO UMRL.
Trdim pa, da to kar ti vidiš iz naslonjonjača po TVju ali internetu ni tista prava slika. Prava slika se bo pokazala šele ko bodo iz iraka ameriški vojaki odšli. Nastal bo pa enak kaos kot takrat, ko so talibani prevzeli afganistan.
Sicer pa veš kako se dela po celem svetu (primer je pa iz ljubljane):
KO NA ENI STRANI LJUBLJANICE NEKDO ZAKAŠLJA, NA DRUGI STRANI ŽE GOVORIJO, DA JE ZA PLJUČNICO UMRL.
perci ::
Vi ste multikulturniki ki bi dali "njihovi kulturi" možmost, da se izživlja nad svojimi podaniki kot se je doslej.Ne, ti si tak multikulturnik. Američanom pustiš, da se grejo v Iraku nek svoj kalifat in da tam sprobavajo neke šege, ki jih doma ne upajo. Jst sem za človekove pravice - cilj ameriške vojske pa ni ubranitev le-teh (če pa slučajno je, so pa hudo nesposobni).
jype ::
Thomas> To je povsem naravno razmišljanje. Tako so delala vsa plemena vso zgodovino. Kelti, Iliri, Slovani vključno.
Da. Zanimivo, da si tak tehnološki evangelist, na družboslovnem področju pa še nekje pred srednjim vekom.
gfighter> Če si pa poleg tega še tak idiot, da ti pride na misel metat nuke po civilnih predmestjih zato, ker se menda notri skrivajo pripadniki Alkaide, ti pa ni pomoči.
Thomas> To nikakor ni izključeno.
Je rekel Stalin. Pa Mao. Sadam pa ni bil tolk usekan, recimo. Je že računal, kje je najboljše razmerje glede cene in učinka. Jih je pobil samo toliko, kot je bilo treba plus še malo ekstra "drugim v opozorilo". Ni pa vseh, kar bi prva dva zagotovo - ljudstva iztrebit v svarilo komu se jima je zdelo prima.
T-h-o-r> s kom natanko smo v vojni?
Thomas> S kom smo v vojni? S Talibani, Alkajdo in fundamentalisti sploh. Vojno so oni začeli. Deklarirali. Da bodo spreobrnili ali pobili nevernike.
Prva termonuklearna eksplozija torej spada nekam nad griček, ki mu rečejo "Capitol"?
Da. Zanimivo, da si tak tehnološki evangelist, na družboslovnem področju pa še nekje pred srednjim vekom.
gfighter> Če si pa poleg tega še tak idiot, da ti pride na misel metat nuke po civilnih predmestjih zato, ker se menda notri skrivajo pripadniki Alkaide, ti pa ni pomoči.
Thomas> To nikakor ni izključeno.
Je rekel Stalin. Pa Mao. Sadam pa ni bil tolk usekan, recimo. Je že računal, kje je najboljše razmerje glede cene in učinka. Jih je pobil samo toliko, kot je bilo treba plus še malo ekstra "drugim v opozorilo". Ni pa vseh, kar bi prva dva zagotovo - ljudstva iztrebit v svarilo komu se jima je zdelo prima.
T-h-o-r> s kom natanko smo v vojni?
Thomas> S kom smo v vojni? S Talibani, Alkajdo in fundamentalisti sploh. Vojno so oni začeli. Deklarirali. Da bodo spreobrnili ali pobili nevernike.
Prva termonuklearna eksplozija torej spada nekam nad griček, ki mu rečejo "Capitol"?
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: jype ()
poweroff ::
Desničarji bi najprej zaplinili vse Arabce, potem vse Muslimane, potem vse "komuniste", potem vse revne.
Hudič je le v tem, da bi potem oni prišli na vrsto.
Kaj ko bi zadevo obrnili, pa bi najprej desničarjem prepovedali izražanje njihovih fašističnih idej?
Hudič je le v tem, da bi potem oni prišli na vrsto.
Kaj ko bi zadevo obrnili, pa bi najprej desničarjem prepovedali izražanje njihovih fašističnih idej?
sudo poweroff
jype ::
Matthai> Kaj ko bi zadevo obrnili, pa bi najprej desničarjem prepovedali izražanje njihovih fašističnih idej?
Kontraproduktivno. Bolje je, če se njihove ideje ves čas ekstrapolira v prihodnost in potegne vzporednice s preteklostjo. Da je ves čas jasno, kam take reči vodijo.
Kontraproduktivno. Bolje je, če se njihove ideje ves čas ekstrapolira v prihodnost in potegne vzporednice s preteklostjo. Da je ves čas jasno, kam take reči vodijo.
Thomas ::
Insinuacije, kako bi recimo jaz zaplinil vse vas, ki te insinuacije delate, pa ne vem koga še vse zraven so bedne. Bedne, kot vaš "multikulturalizem".
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
Thomas> ki te insinuacije delate
Izrekel si jih sam, tako da se ne pritožuj.
Thomas> Ne moreš si misliti, da je nekdo res sočuten do recimo Iračanov in jim daje ultimat. Zdej se boste pa prenehali obnašati kot živali!
S tem stavkom insinuiraš na to da se a) Iračani obnašajo kot živali (se ne) in b) da jih čaka smrtna kazen (z njo se nas večina ne strinja), če se ne podredijo tvojim pravilom (ki niso enaka kot pravila civiliziranega zahoda in se z njimi identificiramo mi, "levičarji").
Izrekel si jih sam, tako da se ne pritožuj.
Thomas> Ne moreš si misliti, da je nekdo res sočuten do recimo Iračanov in jim daje ultimat. Zdej se boste pa prenehali obnašati kot živali!
S tem stavkom insinuiraš na to da se a) Iračani obnašajo kot živali (se ne) in b) da jih čaka smrtna kazen (z njo se nas večina ne strinja), če se ne podredijo tvojim pravilom (ki niso enaka kot pravila civiliziranega zahoda in se z njimi identificiramo mi, "levičarji").
Thomas ::
> S tem stavkom insinuiraš na to da se a) Iračani obnašajo kot živali
Vsi ljudje se obnašajo kot živali, ker živali so. Moderne države kot US, Slovenija, Finska ... jih 99% omejijo pri medsebojnem pobujanju. Rim jih je morda že 90%.
Hohoho ... teli dialektični materialisti pa so ene mone. Polna usta imajo "znanstvenega pogleda na svet", pa ne vedo, da je človek ena najbolj svoji vrsti nevarnih živali. Mogoče nekaj takega, kot šimpanzi ali medvedje.
A Zahodna civilizacija lahko naredi ljudi krotke in prijazne. Edini način doslej. Zato naj subito preplavi cel svet!
Vsi ljudje se obnašajo kot živali, ker živali so. Moderne države kot US, Slovenija, Finska ... jih 99% omejijo pri medsebojnem pobujanju. Rim jih je morda že 90%.
Hohoho ... teli dialektični materialisti pa so ene mone. Polna usta imajo "znanstvenega pogleda na svet", pa ne vedo, da je človek ena najbolj svoji vrsti nevarnih živali. Mogoče nekaj takega, kot šimpanzi ali medvedje.
A Zahodna civilizacija lahko naredi ljudi krotke in prijazne. Edini način doslej. Zato naj subito preplavi cel svet!
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
Thomas ::
"Tretje poti v socializem" so pa nevarni koraki vstran s te poti pacifikacije človeka, na način družbe enakovrednih posameznikov. Spomnimo se Hitlerja, (Nacionalnega) socialista!
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
Thomas> Vsi ljudje se obnašajo kot živali, ker živali so.
Biološko gledano to drži. Sicer pa ne.
Thomas> A Zahodna civilizacija lahko naredi ljudi krotke in prijazne. Edini način doslej. Zato naj subito preplavi cel svet!
Nimaš pojma, očitno. Že davno tega so obstajali sistemi, ki so ljudi naredili krotke in prijazne. Bagdad je bil že pred tisoč leti izjemno civiliziran - v primerjavi z rimskim imperijem in v primerjavi z Bagdadom pod "ameriško civilno upravo". Je pa bil blizu tega, kar je bil pod Sadamom, recimo. Ampak to je še vedno svetlobna leta pred kalifatom, ki mu ZDA utirajo pot v Irak.
Biološko gledano to drži. Sicer pa ne.
Thomas> A Zahodna civilizacija lahko naredi ljudi krotke in prijazne. Edini način doslej. Zato naj subito preplavi cel svet!
Nimaš pojma, očitno. Že davno tega so obstajali sistemi, ki so ljudi naredili krotke in prijazne. Bagdad je bil že pred tisoč leti izjemno civiliziran - v primerjavi z rimskim imperijem in v primerjavi z Bagdadom pod "ameriško civilno upravo". Je pa bil blizu tega, kar je bil pod Sadamom, recimo. Ampak to je še vedno svetlobna leta pred kalifatom, ki mu ZDA utirajo pot v Irak.
Thomas ::
> Že davno tega so obstajali sistemi, ki so ljudi naredili krotke in prijazne.
To ti mau pesniško svobodo treniraš?
Banana NI modra, jure. (Jure tud ni moder.)
To ti mau pesniško svobodo treniraš?
Banana NI modra, jure. (Jure tud ni moder.)
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
Thomas> To ti mau pesniško svobodo treniraš?
Le tebi tuja dejstva navajam.
You'd better get used to that.
Le tebi tuja dejstva navajam.
You'd better get used to that.
Thomas ::
Povej mi kaj več o teh "dejstvih". Kakšne šege so imeli v Bagdadu toliko tisoč let nazaj?
FYI - barbarske. Tistim barbarskim časom primerne.
FYI - barbarske. Tistim barbarskim časom primerne.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
Thomas> Kakšne šege so imeli v Bagdadu toliko tisoč let nazaj?
Pravno državo. Ne po modernih standardih, se razume, a z manj korupcije kot je je imel Rim.
Več v http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Baghdad in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age.
Pravno državo. Ne po modernih standardih, se razume, a z manj korupcije kot je je imel Rim.
Več v http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Baghdad in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age.
Thomas ::
Tole Wikipedio mi prineseš?
Za lepo sliko Bagdada v njej so poskrbeli pravoverni. V resnici pa to ni bil noben raj.
Sam kdo se bo s tabo dajal, jure. Brezveze.
Za lepo sliko Bagdada v njej so poskrbeli pravoverni. V resnici pa to ni bil noben raj.
Sam kdo se bo s tabo dajal, jure. Brezveze.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
OK, ne dobiš wikipedie:
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poweroff ::
No ja, sodobni fašistoidni desničarji se od nacistov razlikujejo še v eni podrobnosti.
Nacisti so uporabljali plin, sodobni fašistoidni desničarji pa pozivajo k uporabi jedrskega orožja.
Nacisti so uporabljali plin, sodobni fašistoidni desničarji pa pozivajo k uporabi jedrskega orožja.
sudo poweroff
Thomas ::
Ahminedžad poziva k uporabi jedrskega orožja. Jaz pa pravim, da ga bo prej sam dobil, kot kam poslal.
Me veseli, da me multikulturniki zmerjajo z nacistom ali kakorkoli. Če me ne bi, bi se že resno spraševal, kaj narobe delam.
Jure ... je pa dal eno orng falango knjig, v katerih naj bi pisalo, kako je bilo vse super v Bagdadu leta 1000.
Neumnost. Pri tistem številu otrok, so jih klale najmanj bolezni in lakota, zanesljivo pa še medsebojni obračuni. Sicer bi se za časa njihovega "zlatega veka" število prebivalstva povečalo za kakšnih 1000 krat. Pa se seveda ni.
Me veseli, da me multikulturniki zmerjajo z nacistom ali kakorkoli. Če me ne bi, bi se že resno spraševal, kaj narobe delam.
Jure ... je pa dal eno orng falango knjig, v katerih naj bi pisalo, kako je bilo vse super v Bagdadu leta 1000.
Neumnost. Pri tistem številu otrok, so jih klale najmanj bolezni in lakota, zanesljivo pa še medsebojni obračuni. Sicer bi se za časa njihovega "zlatega veka" število prebivalstva povečalo za kakšnih 1000 krat. Pa se seveda ni.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
Thomas> Ahminedžad poziva k uporabi jedrskega orožja.
Drzna obtožba. Koga pa?
Thomas> Jure ... je pa dal eno orng falango knjig, v katerih naj bi pisalo, kako je bilo vse super v Bagdadu leta 1000.
Mhm, ampak tebi seveda nič mar. Ti vendar _veš_, da je to le propaganda. Da bolje kot je v ZDA ne more biti, čeprav ti še poštevanka pravi drugače.
Thomas> Sicer bi se za časa njihovega "zlatega veka" število prebivalstva povečalo za kakšnih 1000 krat. Pa se seveda ni.
Polmilijonska mesta v tistih časih niso bila vsakdanji pojav. Razen v islamu.
Drzna obtožba. Koga pa?
Thomas> Jure ... je pa dal eno orng falango knjig, v katerih naj bi pisalo, kako je bilo vse super v Bagdadu leta 1000.
Mhm, ampak tebi seveda nič mar. Ti vendar _veš_, da je to le propaganda. Da bolje kot je v ZDA ne more biti, čeprav ti še poštevanka pravi drugače.
Thomas> Sicer bi se za časa njihovega "zlatega veka" število prebivalstva povečalo za kakšnih 1000 krat. Pa se seveda ni.
Polmilijonska mesta v tistih časih niso bila vsakdanji pojav. Razen v islamu.
perci ::
Thomas> Ahminedžad poziva k uporabi jedrskega orožja.
Drzna obtožba. Koga pa?
Verjetno Ameriko in Izrael - prva klofuta (mednarodne sankcije) mu ni bila dovolj in po krščansko nastavlja še "drugo lice"
. jype ::
Verjetno, ja.
Ker kolikor jaz vem je Ahmadinedžad tolk natreniran, da sploh ne zmore izreči besede s korenom "jedrsk-" ne da bi takoj za tem prišlo "za civilno uporabo".
Če bi napravo imel bi verjetno sicer kaj drugega rekel, ampak to ne spremeni dejstva, da je zdaj bolj miroljuben od Gandija in ima izključno dobre namene. Še smehlja se čisto drugače od tradicionalnih mul, pa obrit je čist prozahodno.
Ma pa včasih kakšne Bushevsko-Thomasovske izpade, a la "Izrael v morje" pa "bog jih bo že posortiral", ampak očitno se to zgodi vsakemu, ki preveč ceni samega sebe, tako da mu lahko oprostimo.
Ker kolikor jaz vem je Ahmadinedžad tolk natreniran, da sploh ne zmore izreči besede s korenom "jedrsk-" ne da bi takoj za tem prišlo "za civilno uporabo".
Če bi napravo imel bi verjetno sicer kaj drugega rekel, ampak to ne spremeni dejstva, da je zdaj bolj miroljuben od Gandija in ima izključno dobre namene. Še smehlja se čisto drugače od tradicionalnih mul, pa obrit je čist prozahodno.
Ma pa včasih kakšne Bushevsko-Thomasovske izpade, a la "Izrael v morje" pa "bog jih bo že posortiral", ampak očitno se to zgodi vsakemu, ki preveč ceni samega sebe, tako da mu lahko oprostimo.
T-h-o-r ::
S kom smo v vojni? S Talibani, Alkajdo in fundamentalisti sploh. Vojno so oni začeli. Deklarirali. Da bodo spreobrnili ali pobili nevernike.
Oni bi pobili nevernike, ti bi pobil vse, ki se ne strinjajo s tabo... isti šmorn... aja ne, ti bi jih pobil, zato ker jim s tem pomagaš!
kje pa se skriva ta AL KAJDA?
Oni bi pobili nevernike, ti bi pobil vse, ki se ne strinjajo s tabo... isti šmorn... aja ne, ti bi jih pobil, zato ker jim s tem pomagaš!
kje pa se skriva ta AL KAJDA?
Why have a civilization anymore
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
if we no longer are interested in being civilized?
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: T-h-o-r ()
Thomas ::
> Oni bi pobili nevernike, ti bi pobil vse, ki se ne strinjajo s tabo...
Ti pač samo skušaš diskreditirati ad hominem tiste, ki se s tabo ne strinjamo.
Sej mi je jasno. Pač še en zbegan multikulturalist, ki se mu njegove ideje ne poklapajo med sabo.
Vas je poln forum. Potem se pač tolažite, "ah saj ta bi vse pobil, torej ni važno kaj govori". Po drugi strani pa dobro veste, da to ni res. Mau že slutite, kako gnile so vaše levo multikulturno politično korektne ideje. Votle in prazne.
Ti pač samo skušaš diskreditirati ad hominem tiste, ki se s tabo ne strinjamo.
Sej mi je jasno. Pač še en zbegan multikulturalist, ki se mu njegove ideje ne poklapajo med sabo.
Vas je poln forum. Potem se pač tolažite, "ah saj ta bi vse pobil, torej ni važno kaj govori". Po drugi strani pa dobro veste, da to ni res. Mau že slutite, kako gnile so vaše levo multikulturno politično korektne ideje. Votle in prazne.
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
jype ::
Thomas> Mau že slutite, kako gnile so vaše levo multikulturno politično korektne ideje. Votle in prazne.
Mhm. V praksi se nam naša multikulturna politika kaže v tem kako se recimo New York (ki jo povzema) primerja s Utahom, Kanzasom, Louisiano (ki jih ne).
Mhm. V praksi se nam naša multikulturna politika kaže v tem kako se recimo New York (ki jo povzema) primerja s Utahom, Kanzasom, Louisiano (ki jih ne).
Thomas ::
Umrl je eden od naših.
Človek, ki je bil kongresnik, rojen na Madžarskem, Žid, ki je izkusil nacistične pogrome.
Precej takega naziranja nas je še živih. Vsekakor imamo jasen namen (in zmožnost) prevladati nad "multikulturalisti", ki zase mislijo, kako so to pametni. Heh ...
Človek, ki je bil kongresnik, rojen na Madžarskem, Žid, ki je izkusil nacistične pogrome.
For years, he sided with Republican neoconservatives who believe the United States should assert democracy abroad and use the military to intervene when a moral imperative or national interest is at stake.
In 2002, he supported the congressional resolution that authorized President Bush to invade Iraq and played a decisive role to gain Democratic support for the measure.
Precej takega naziranja nas je še živih. Vsekakor imamo jasen namen (in zmožnost) prevladati nad "multikulturalisti", ki zase mislijo, kako so to pametni. Heh ...
Man muss immer generalisieren - Carl Jacobi
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