Delujoč reaktor hladne fuzije kmalu v vsakem domu!

guest #44 je 30. nov 2011 ob 03:14 izjavil:

Pricakujem ponižno opravičilo od beliverjev.

opravicilo za?

kaj so dokazali, da je hoax?


jaz vidim kvecjemu vedno vec dokazov, da je nekaj na tem

kar naenkrat so se vsi konkurenti prebudili in naredili paniko...


tisti ki pa pricakujete neko potrditev (v kratkem), da zadeva deluje, pa se boste se nacakali... saj je rossi ze 100x povedal, da bo to trajalo, ker ne misli zaenkrat narediti nobenih demonstracij vec....zdaj bo samo proizvajal in prodajal ter delal demonstracije samo dejanskim kupcem.....

tak da jverne....datum za opravicilo je jasno dolocen bil ze kar nekaj casa nazaj: 1.11.2012!

@jverne:

December? Ti si res mal pred svojim časom...

Tle se ogrono debatira "a verjameš to, a verjameš un, a verjameš u ufote...etc)

Do zdej je padla še vsaka paradigma.. sam ene se obdržijo mal dle.. in verniki so tisti, ki na konc naj€bejo, hehe. Vera v hladno fuzijo, vera v 50 let stare teorije...

IMHO to ni stvar vere... cold fusion? Cold facts, please.

Če Bossi dobi ven več, kot vloži, mene nič ne briga, zakaj. On ve, kako.In ni pomembno, če ne ve zakaj. Cold fact(?).

Konec koncev... gravitacija dela. Vemo,kako. Znamo poslat Curiosity na Mars. A vemo zakaj? Ne vemo, zakaj. In ni pomembno, če ne vemo zakaj (razen za teoretične fizike). Cold fact.

Kvantna mehanika... dela. Vemo, kako. Se da ponucat. A vemo zakaj? Ne vemo zakaj. In ni pomembno, če ne vemo zakaj (razen za teoretične fizike). Cold fact.

Motor z notranjim izgorevanjem... dela. Se da okol vozit. Moja žena ne ve, kako in ne, zakaj. In ni pomembno, če ne ve. Cold fact.

Röntgen je na neosvetljenem filmu zagledal svoje kosti. Še dobro, da ni filma zabrisal stran. Kakšen vernik v slogu "this can't happen because X-Rays do not exist", bi ga.

Flemingu so pocrkale bakterije v petrijevkah. Še dobro, da jih ni vrgel stran. Kakšen vernik v slogu "this can't happen because antibiotics do not exist", bi jih.

Verniki in tisti, ki se kot pijanci oklepate "veljavnih" paradigm, ste IMHO največja cokla razvoja.

Hough.

@ZaphodBB: You're Full of Nothing.

Lion29 je 30. nov 2011 ob 08:39 izjavil:

kar naenkrat so se vsi konkurenti prebudili in naredili paniko...

A to misliš da Defkalion obtožuje Rossija da je prevarant, da njegov e-cat ne deluje? res so se prebudili, drži.

Vir: Nyteknik

Izsek: Xanthoulis expressed considerable uncertainty about Rossi's intentions. According to Xanthoulis, Rossi could not run the reaction more than 24 hours, and when Defkalion required a 48 hour test it supposedly led to a conflict with Rossi.

lol nam se že skozi prižigajo lučke v glavi, saj Rossi ni dokazal (razen neznanemu skrivnostnemu kupcu) da njegova naprava deluje. Defkalion pa sedaj piše da je razlog da so šli narazen prav to. Rossi ni dokazal da lahko naprava deluje več kot 24ur, ko so zahtevali 48urni test pa jih je zavrnil.

Kako ni izjave defkaliona: Alexandros Xanthoulis, representative of Defkalion Green Technology's owners.

Sej Rossi je že v preteklosti nategoval, nič novega.

Electricity from waste heat

In the US Rossi started the consulting firm Leonardo Technologies, Inc. (LTI). He secured a defense contract to evaluate the potential of generating electricity from waste heat by using thermoelectric generators. Such devices are normally only used for refrigeration (Peltier effect), because the efficiency for generating electrical power is only a few percent. Rossi suggested that his devices could attain 20 % efficiency. A demonstration that he conducted at the University of New Hampshire produced 100 volt at 1 ampere (100 watt) during a week. Larger modules would be manufactured in Italy. Rossi sent 27 thermoelectric devices for evaluation to the Engineer Research and Development Center; 19 of these did not produce any electricity at all. The remaining units produced less than 1 watt each, instead of the expected 800-1000 watt.[9]

Lion29 je 30. nov 2011 ob 13:02 izjavil:

vsekakor pa vzdigne mocno skepticizem in rdece lucke v glavi...

In kakšne lučke ti ta članek točno prižge v glavi?
Ta pogovor, ki je potekal med Defkalionom in novinarjem Nyteknika se je zgodil letos julija/avgusta. Niste opazli tega?

In predstvnik Defkaliona je povedal naslednje:

"Let’s say I have the formula of Rossi, but I’m not saying it officially. My scientists found a way to make it. They need three months, but I’m not going to play game behind Rossi. I’m not a cheater. We started together and if he has to be paid, he will."

"I know what he’s got in the reactor, I know everything. It was a spectroscopy (Greek: ‘fasmatoscopy’) made by the university of Siena. It was an equipment made by the University of Siena. It understands everything that’s inside the reactor. So we know the components."

"The University of Siena. They tried his reactor without him understanding what they did. They checked it and we know what’s in the reactor. So it’s a matter of two or three months that my scientists can reproduce that, but I’m not going to try it. I’m playing a fair game."

TO je lahko potrditev, da LENR obstaja in da je Rossi v tem času imel delujočo LENR zadevo, ki pa je bila takrat še nestabilna. V tem obdobju so minili trije meseci in oboji seveda so v tem času razvili in še razvijajo svoje produkte.

Če hočeš LENR obvladovat, rabiš najboljše meritve same reakcije v fuzijskem reaktorju. Rossi se tega zaveda in zaradi tega je šel v pogodbo z National Instruments (kot vrhunskim podjetm glede izdelave merilnih naprav). Pa tudi je bilo že 1000x povedano, da je obvladovanje te reakcije ključna stvar. Neštetokrat je Rossiju reakcija podivjala ter pri tem stopila nikel (gorivo). Nekajkrat so celo nalašč overloadali reaktor, da je prišlo do manjših eksplozij in pri tem ni bilo presežne radiacije. Ti testi so se dogajali v letih 2008 - 2010.

Prav tako izjava Defaliona:
"The University of Siena. They tried his reactor without him understanding what they did. They checked it and we know what’s in the reactor."

predstavlja dokaz, da je z Defkalionom povezan drugi pionir raziskav LENR, že nekajkrat tukaj omenjeni Piantelli (on namreč sodeluje s to univerzo).

Tukaj je novica iz julija:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=581

cel članek:

For some time now, rumours have been circulating about Professor Focardi’s former collaboration partner, Professor Piantelli. Focardi and Piantelli were the first to show the true potential of Ni-H LENR. Preferring to work beyond the limelight, he is seen as a diligent scientist working methodically towards the goal of understanding and perfecting a method of energy production distinct from the Rossi-Focardi eCat.

That was the rumour.

These reports are beginning to gel and Roy Virgilio confirmed in Saturday’s talk at Viarregio that Piantelli was indeed preparing an eCat competitor. Virgilio expands on earlier scant details on this site (Italian). The following covers the important points so far:

- Prof. Piantelli is working with the University of Siena on his Ni-H cell
- In the last few days, old cells have been rekindled with ease after working for months in the past. The cells were not pushed to perform and yet confirmed small excess energy.
- Still in progress with a schedule of up to two months
- Old cells have excess energy of about 2-3 times input
- New ones plan an excess of about 200 times the energy input
- The development of the project goes faster and faster
- Increased gain is progressive, ensuring safety at each step
- Will not repeat the mistakes of fission.
- Likely start with small industrial and commercial powers
- Patents are filed and pending
- Some collaboration with a major U.S. institution including 3 days in the Siena lab
- Closing on major contracts with large industrial companies for the development of generators
- The development will be made to power the next step.
- The first new cell will be switched to a few hundred watts. Once performing well and under control, they turn to higher powers (approximately kW)
- Higher rates are likely possible
- Piantelli has a complete mathematical theory that does not require exotic reactions
- Confirms the presence of 6-7 Mev Protons
- These energetic protons have a good cross section with nickel – good chance of reactions
- One theory almost published as an internal document at the University of Siena;
- The commercial company is formed by Piantelli investors – Nichenergy Ltd
- From this base, other companies will form
- Other companies will concentrate on a particular area, development or market
- In 2-4 months it will be possible for anyone to buy shares (still to be announced) to support the development of technology, have control over it (and then not make it disappear into thin air at the climax) and be able to take part in future revenues
- Shareholding a chance to participate – does not guarantee anything
- Goal is to put the technology in hands & under supervision of a multitude of stakeholders & enthusiasts.
- Open to ideas – this was the only way they came up with to allow more people to share the opportunity and at the same time protect the development. If you can think of others …
- Interested parties should send an email to fusionefredda (at) energeticambiente

Other snippets:
- Technology is based on the preparation of nickel.
- Grain size and geometry and also the geometry of the deposition (a kind of multi-layer) are important
- Not sure if a catalyst is involved
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If the above information is accurate, this is exciting news. Like Professor Focardi, Piantelli is a well-respected scientist working at the bleeding edge of this technology. He is renowned for sober judgement and a methodical pace. To learn that he is preparing to commercial the development lends credence to Rossi’s claims. At the same time, competition can only help the roll-out of LENR into the commercial realities of a world in desperate need. Finally, although one would have to take great care when making an investment in such a new and untested technology, the strategy to involve the public is an interesting one and I would imagine it could prove very popular.

Vikking je 30. nov 2011 ob 13:34 izjavil:

Lion29 je 30. nov 2011 ob 13:19 izjavil:

fajn bi blo, ce malo preletis to temo... nickolikokrat je to ze bilo povedano

Žal eni kar naprej pozabljate da je to že počel. Po istem kopitu sedaj nadaljuje, zato mu ne verjamem.
Ti pa mu lahko verjameš. Dokler ne bo neodvisnega, transparentnega testiranja, s strani priznanih strokovnjakov. Lahko on govori kaj hoče. Hočem jasen dokaz! Tega ni, dokler ga ni ostanem na bregu vseh skeptikov ki kričijo da gre za prevaro.

jaz sem tudi na bregu skeptikov, le ne kricim, da gre za prevaro, ker seveda dopuscam nekaj moznosti, da je nekaj na tem

kdo pozablja, da je to pocel? in kar je pocel ni tako crnobelo, kot mislite... je v enem YT posnetku razlozena cela poanta okoli tega... ampak dej, res se mi ne da...

jaz mam zadevo ki preverjeno deluje, tak da sem posvecen temu

Škoda besed.

Eni pač:

Vikking je 30. nov 2011 ob 13:48 izjavil:

Škoda besed.

Eni pač:

res, cisto tako informativno.... kaj si zelel s tem povedat? da smo "believerji" tisti, ki smo enkrat neki slisali o rossijeve e-catu in na besedo verjamemo... in smo dali glavo v pesek in nas sploh ne zanima vedeti vec o tem?

namrec loocas konstantno isce nove in nove in nove informacije... na vsehmogocih forumih posnetkih, clankih, etc... in jaz jih pridno prebiram.. tudi vasa mnenja...

kako lahko pol das tako izjavo?

Itak Lion29
Jaz sem zdaj tisti po njegovem, ki držim glavo v pesku.

Saj Vikking bi rad debatiral ampak kaj.. ponovno.. že spet... se najde nekdo, ki nek stavek vzame izven konteksta, ne da bi vedel kako so stvari odzadaj povezane in maha pred nosom meni, kaj je ON ODKRIL. Ja, WAW.

EN boljših pogledov na Nyteknikov članek lahko najdete tukaj:
http://pesn.com/2011/11/29/9601966_Defk...

Pa saj se isto dogaja povsod. Nedolgo tega je nek italijanski fizik (menda celo iz OPERA teama) izjavil, da nadsevetlobnih nevtrinov ni (the jury is still out), ker niso v skladu s teorijo. Ergo, če se eksperimentalni rezultati s teorijo ne ujemajo, jih je potrebno zavreči.

Že x-krat videno.

Loocas je 30. nov 2011 ob 14:34 izjavil:

ZaphodBB No ti si naslednji, ki ne priznava NASinih ter ostalih nekaj 100 raziskav.

hehe, Loocas ima misijo, da prepriča ceu svet da ima Rossi napravo ki ima 200 kratnik presežka energije. Ko mu želiš pojasniti da bolj težko, te obtoži da ne priznavaš sistema.

Fuzija z presežkom energije lahko poteka po elementih le do železa. Nikelj je pa že naprej in tako izpade iz te igre.

dzinks63: VIR?

ZaphodBB: VIR?

Poglej si kako poteka fuzija pri zvezdah, začne se z vodikom in konča pri železu. Za pridobivanje višjih elementov, je potrebna energija, katero dajejo eksplozije supernove.

Pri Rossijevem LENR sta pomembna dva dokaj redka izotopa, Ni-62 in Ni-64, ki v reakciji z H večinoma transmutirata v Cu-63 in Cu-65.

Evo, Defkalion je očitno počakal, da se Amerika zbudi in kot najavljeno 14. novembra, danes predstavil svojo serijo LENR reaktorjev (specifikacije), Hyperion:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/H...

še press release:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/P...

Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012:

1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory
We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks.

2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory
Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for R&D on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room.

3. R&D-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications
There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global product development and R&D efforts.

Loocas je 30. nov 2011 ob 15:34 izjavil:

poglej si, kje se Nikelj nahaja:

Zaradi tega se že od samega začetka govora o LENR (začetka 90-ih 20. stol.) nikelj tudi omenja kot najbolj primeren za takšen tip reakcije.

Pa ti sploh veš, kaj tale graf predstavlja?

Loocas je 30. nov 2011 ob 15:46 izjavil:

Pa ti sploh veš, kaj tale graf predstavlja?

prestavlja osnovo, zakaj sta Piantelli in Focardi začela raziskovati LENR med Ni+H 22 let nazaj.

No, vidim da ne veš

ZaphodBB je 30. nov 2011 ob 15:43 izjavil:

Tak način razmišljanja je default samo za znanstvenike Rossijevega kova.

Elementi težji od železa oddajo energijo pri fisiji, elementi lažji od železa oddajo energijo pri fuziji. Obratne reakcije energijo trošijo. Pa basta.

In ko imaš H in Fe, kateri graf upoštevaš - Hjev ali Fejev ? Na eni strani imaš presežek, na drugi manjko, vsota predstavlja končni učinek.

Ki je pri LENR glede na klasično fuzijo majhne, pa še vedno velik glede na klasične kemične reakcije. Če to prav razumem,s eveda.

jest10 je 30. nov 2011 ob 15:49 izjavil:

Res? Manjka dokaz

Vprašaj NASO, če ne verjameš. Maš vir kakšno stran nazaj.

Brane2 je 30. nov 2011 ob 15:49 izjavil:

Ki je pri LENR glede na klasično fuzijo majhne, pa še vedno velik glede na klasične kemične reakcije. Če to prav razumem, seveda.

popolnoma pravilno razmišljaš ... vsaj en malo odprte glave tukaj

jest10 je 30. nov 2011 ob 15:53 izjavil:

Citat. Bo šlo?

citat imaš v mojem postu včeraj, 04:36:08