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JayKay ::

Priporočam da si pogledate BBCjevo serijo History of Christianity

PacificBlue ::

i386

LOL

Seveda so enaki simboli. Niso isti so pa enaki. Krščanstvo je parodija na časščenje sonca. Tisti soncek na vrhu kupole to jasno kaže, pa itak se ostali simboli. Tvoji argumetni so res bolj tko...hm.
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antonija ::

Cerkev je postavila božič na 25. december zato, ker so takrat imeli praznik tudi pogani in so tako lažje prestopili v krščanstvo.

There you go!! Poganski plagiat. Se vira niso navedli zdraven, kar pomeni da so se sli piratstvo in se ga se vedno grejo.

Pa povej mi, v kateri drugi veri je božji sin imel 12 učencev, bil križan, ustal po 3h dneh?

Cist iz glave bi reku da je Horus najblizje iz cesar lahko skopiras jezusa. Rojen je bil od device (ki ostane za vedno devica, "cista"), Horusov fotr (Osiris) se pogosto izmenjuje z njim (jezus - bog - oce), pred smrtjo je imel Horus 12 ucencev s kterimi je nekaj pocel na gori (pozabil detajle, verjetno bos znal pogooglat), nazivi za Horusa so bili med drugimi tudi mesija, kralj kraljev, itd., Horusa so krizali, pokopali v grobnico od koder je vstal in odsel v egipcanski ekvivalent nebes, molitve Horusu so se koncale z besedami "amen-ti", ... a bo dost? Sej bi sel se za tiste 3 dni gledat sam se bojim da je tud to prekopirano, in da so cist zares zamenjal samo ime.

Za judovstvo je pa znano, da pred njim ni bilo enake vere, vse druge so bile politeistične, judovstvo je pa monoteistična.

Mono-, ja. Razen tega da ima sef malo visji status kot pri poganih, ima pod sabo se vedno nebroj bozanskih pomagacev od katerih vsak skrbi za svoj sektor. Monoteizem my ass.

Krščanstvo pa seveda izvira iz judovstva. Saj je bil Jezus jud, kristjani ga slavijo/mo kot božjega sina, ki je bil napovedan v stari zavezi ipd.

Caki zdej, ti si zdej veren in castis krscanska bozansva al ne? Al nisi veren sam jih se vedno castis?
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i386 ::

antonija...

in zato ker so postavili praznovanje božiča na 25. december je zate že plagiat??

glede Hora

At this time, he was the god of the sky, and Ra was the god of the sun. Perhaps inevitable, since he was the sky, eventually the moon and the sun were considered his eyes. At this point he was known as Heru-khuti, and by-and-by he was combined with Ra as the god "Re-Horakhty"[13][11]. While there was a battle between Set and Horus, it was hardly every night. In fact, the battle really only happened once, and had more to do with testicles and semen than night and day[14].

In fact day and night in Egyptian Mythology was much more complicated than the film suggests. The goddess of the sky was called Nut (or Nuit), her name also means "night". At dusk she would swallow Ra, the son god, and he would stay in her uterus until morning when he would be reborn. She wore a blue dress that was covered in stars[15]. Set was the God of the desert, primarily because Horus cut off one of his testicles and he became "infertile like the desert". At this time, Set was not considered evil, it was not until around 100 A.D. that the Romans in Egypt turned Set into a demonic figure[16].

Horus was not born on December 25th, he was born on the 5th day of the "Epagomenal Days"[3], which does not even take place in December on the modern or ancient calendars, but rather between August 24th and 28th, but in terms of the rising of Sirius (August 4), they are July 30th through August 3rd[4]. His mother was also not a virgin. Horus's father was Osiris, who was killed by his brother Seth. Isis used a spell to bring him back to life for a short time so they could have sex, in which they conceived Horus[5].

I, as well as several others, as well as several Egyptologists you can find on the Internet, know of no reference anywhere to a "star in the east" or "three kings" and "new-born savior"; it is simply made up. I cannot find any source or information proving he was a "teacher when he was 12 years old", that he was "baptized at age 30", that he "walked on water" (but on the Internet, I did find several places that suggest he was "thrown in the water", but I have no direct source at this time for that). More so, I cannot find any evidence he was referred to as "The Truth", "The Light", Lamb of God", "the Good Shepherd", etc.

Also lacking is any evidence that he was betrayed by Typhon. In fact, Horus never died, at any time, he later merges with the sun god, Ra -- but never dies and certainly never is crucified, and therefore could not have been buried for 3 days and resurrected. If you want to look it up yourself, you can find documentation of Horus and Isis and Osiris here [6] and here [7].

Zeitgeist, the movie did not make this up originally, you can find several places on the Internet that make such claims, but there are no sources or suggestions as to where this information came from. It is highly possible all this originates from The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold - If you read the Amazon reviews, you can find that a lot of people who point out how the information is completely unsourced [8]. I went to Barnes and Nobel and actually found this book in the Christianity section. Needless to say it was completely unsourced and was like reading much the other "Christianity Conspiracy" books out there. So, if these claims all originate from this book, there's absolutely no evidence for it [9]. I should note that this book is used as a "source" in Zeitgeist, the movie [10]. And it is worth pointing out the title is only one word away from the title of this part of the movie "The Greatest Story Ever Sold" vs "The Greatest Story Ever Told".

Horus did not have 12 disciples, rather he had four semi-divine disciples called "heru-shemsu" (followers of Horus) [11 - 1.491]. He did have 16 human followers [11 - 1.196]. One can also find reference to an unnumbered group of followers called the Mesniu (blacksmiths) who accompanied Horus into some of his battles, but no where can 12 of anything be found [11 - 1.475f].

These attributes of Horus, whether original or not, seem to permeate in many cultures of the world, for many other gods are found to have the same general mythological structure.

Well, as read above, these attributes really are not original. It seems kind of obvious to say that such myths would permeate many cultures of the world -- generally because the claims made by the film, such as a sun god, good and evil, and so forth are things most cultures have believed in.


Kakšne božanske pomagače pa ima krščanski bog? kolikor vem so vsi navadni ljudje

Nisem veren

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solatko ::

Vse verske ustanove, so zaradi profita in lagodnega življenja vodstvenih delavcev. Njihov produkt je neumnost vernikov.
Vzemimo, da Bog je, rabim samo dokaz, da je institucija pooblaščena z njegove strani, za širitev njegove besede in želje.
Celo življenje spoštujem vero (sam sem goreč vernik komunizma) in celo življenje kritiziram in sovražim institucije, ki našo vero izkoriščajo za svojo korist.
Človek brez vere, enostavno ni človek, človek, ki se enači z institucijo, ni vernik. Instituciji pripada samo zaradi lastnih koristi in ne zaradi vere.

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antonija ::

I, as well as several others, as well as several Egyptologists you can find on the Internet

Kaj pa egiptologi ki jih ne najdes na internetu, ampak poucujejo na univerzah in objavljajo clanke v peer-reviewed revije?

In se citat iz wikipedie (in sklepam da ga bos nasel v knjigah ki so jih napisali egiptologi, ampak ne tisti iz interneta):
Different forms of Horus are recorded in history and these are treated as distinct gods by Egyptologists.

Na (tvojo) zalost je dovolj da se ena od zgodbic o Horusu ujema z jezusovo, ker potem je takoj jasno da gre za copy/paste. Tudi ce se ena sama celotna ne ujema in se iskaze da je jezus kombinacija vec zgodbic o Horusu (vzames najbolj zanimive dele, dolgas pa zavrzes) je to se vedno (tvoja) zalost.

Kakšne božanske pomagače pa ima krščanski bog? kolikor vem so vsi navadni ljudje

Jup, nic "nadcloveskega" ni pri njih. :|

Drugac bi pa clovek sklepam da se bo oseba ki ne veruje (kot baje ti ne verujes) odlocala na podlagi argumentov in dokazov. Ti si di zdej za vse argumente odgovoril samo "ne", kar vsi vemo kaj pomeni. Hkrati pa sam nisi podal _enega_samega_ protiargumenta s katerimi bi vsaj malo razrahljal trditve o vec-kot-nakljucnih podobnostih med krscansko vero in verami, ki so obstajale vec tisoc let pred jezusom in to na razlicnih koncih sveta.
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i386 ::

Ti si di zdej za vse argumente odgovoril samo "ne", kar vsi vemo kaj pomeni. Hkrati pa sam nisi podal _enega_samega_ protiargumenta s katerimi bi vsaj malo razrahljal trditve o vec-kot-nakljucnih podobnostih med krscansko vero in verami, ki so obstajale vec tisoc let pred jezusom in to na razlicnih koncih sveta.


Sem povedal zakaj so določene podobnosti, samo ti greš lepo mimo tega. Kot vsi "teoretiki zarot"

Če se katera od Horovih zgodbic ujema z jezusovo... povej katera. link? ali pa knjiga?

antonija ::

Sem povedal zakaj so določene podobnosti, samo ti greš lepo mimo tega. Kot vsi "teoretiki zarot"

Ja, samo ti si argumentiral na nacin za katerega nimas nobenega dokaza. Privzel si namrec da je krscanbsk verzija pravilna in da so samo pobral datume iz poganskih verovanj, drugega pa ne. Pozabil si pa zdraven povedat da so poleg datumov pobrali se vso simboliko, obrede in se marsikaj drugega. Tako da ce res hoces bit picajzlast bi moral napisat da:
"...je vecina podrobnosti, med katerimi je tudi datum, vzeta iz poganskih verovanj, da bi ljudem omogocili lazji prehod..."

Če se katera od Horovih zgodbic ujema z jezusovo... povej katera. link? ali pa knjiga?

take your pick
Ce "se ti pa ne da brat vseh linkov" pol pa to cimprej povej, da lahko zakljucimo debato in te pustimo v (neargumentiranem) prepricanju.

EDIT: Evo se en search string za bolj splosne argumente.
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i386 ::

ok, pa ti povej nek pisni vir, ki je nastal pred kristusom, ki dokazuje da je jezus kopija.

Aja, veš, Hor je imal brata Anubisa,
As Horus was the ultimate victor he became known as Harsiesis, Heru-ur or Har-Wer (?r.w wr 'Horus the Great'), but more usually translated as Horus the Elder
.....

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PacificBlue ::

i386

The Romans, when conquering, would take the people's gods, thinking to undermine their power. Many graven images were brought back to Rome, and, later, into the church. For example, the statue of St. Peter in St. Peter's Basilica, was, once, Jupiter (sun-god).

The golden child in the Vatican treasury, is reminiscent of the ancient worship of Tammuz. Born on December 25th, he represents the rebirth of the sun. He was called, "Baal-berith," or lord of the fir-tree. The word "yule" is a Babylonian word for infant. Both Egyptians and Persians, celebrated the birthday of their god on December 25th. Other names applied to the sun-god are Mithras, Horus, Isvara, Deoius, Jupiter, Rah, Plutus, Ninus, Osiris, Dionysus, Bacchus, Iacchus, Adonis, Attis, etc.

The placing of Mary in a crescent is a remnant of the fertility cults of the ancient mother-goddess, traceable to the Babylonian queen, Semiramis, titled, "Mother of God," and "Queen of Heaven."

The pagans placed a circle or aureole around the heads of their gods, which continued in the art of the church. (Even, Buddha, had this circular symbol around his head.) The disk was used to represent any being as a god or goddess. Thousands of pictures of Mary and the saints have this same symbolism.

As paganism and Christianity blended, at times, a saint was given a similar sounding name to that of a god or goddess. The goddess Victoria, was renamed, St. Victoire, Cheron as St. Ceranos, Artemis as St. Astemidos, Dionysus as St. Dionysus, etc. The goddess Brighit (daughter of the sun-god with a child in her arms), was renamed St. Bridgit. In pagan days, her chief temple was at Kildare and was served by Vestal Virgins, who tended the sacred fires. Later, her temple became a convent and her Vestal Virgins, nuns. Now, it is called, "St. Bridget's fire." - Babylon Mystery Religion, by Ralph Woodrow.

Originally, the obelisk was associated with sun-worship, a symbol of "Baal," (which was a title of Nimrod), because it pointed toward heaven. It, also, had a sexual significance - the phallus, as with the sun, is a symbol of life. The same obelisk (the ancient symbol of Osiris, the solar phallic god) that stood in Egypt is, now, in the entrance to St. Peter's.

The largest occult solar wheel on earth is the court of St. Peter at the Vatican in Rome - a wheel within a wheel, with eight spokes, a common symbol of cosmic energy in paganism.

The Pope's mitre (hat) comes from sun-worship, as seen in pictures of Dagon and Oannes, the Babylonian fish-god and Vishnu, Hindu fish-god.

There is so much more...Constantine had a vision of the cross of Mithra (sun-god) and heard a voice, saying, "In this sign, conquer..." Though pagan Rome was corrupt and oppressive, Jesus never rallied an army to overthrow the Empire. He taught us to wage a different kind of warfare - spiritual warfare for the souls of men. Constantine, a christian? He had his wife and eldest son murdered. He was a sun-worshipper. In 321 A.D., he established the first Sunday law, in order to unite the pagans and the Christians in the empire. In 364 A.D., at the Council of Laodicea, the Sabbath was, officially, "changed" to Sunday (called, "The Lord's Day," in sun-worship). The "Little Horn" (Antichrist) who was to arise out of the Roman Empire "thinks to change times and law." - Dan 7:25.
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i386 ::

konstantinu se je v sanjah prikazalo tole: Labarum @ Wikipedia

PB... še vedno ne vem, kje lahko jaz preverim tvoje navedbe...

wikipedija
tud wikipedija
Kje tu najdeš podobnost z jezusom?

aja... pa Hor ni bog sonca, bog sonca je Ra! Horus: God of the king, the sky and vengeance (wiki)

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i386 ::

Aja, pa Hor ni bog sonca, ampak je to Ra wiki

DeusVult ::

Jaz si povezave, ki jih ateisti vlečejo med Krščanstvom in zgodnejšimi religijami (in ki jih uporabljajo kot dokaz za neobstoj Boga) razlagam tako, da zgodnejša, manj civilizirana ljudstva pač niso znala interpretirati smisla in Božje volje tako, kot Biblija. Biblija je vrhunec razumevanja Boga in stvarstva - vse pred njo je bil propadel poskus razumeti Božjo voljo, vse po njej pa nesmiselni poskusi izboljšave perfektnosti. Ker Božja volja je edina resnica.
http://www.rtvslo.si/blog/deusvult
Iz 26:2 "Naj vstopi zaslužen Narod, Narod, ki varuje Vero."

CoolBits ::

Vsi so bogovi sonca :)
Ko je človek prišel iz jame in začel obdelovat polje, je častil sonce kot boga, ker mu je dal pridelek in življenje. Ostale vremenske pojave pa tudi podobno... pa zvezde...
Naprej so se pač razvile take in drugačne zgodbice, pol pa še politika...

PacificBlue ::



To je poganski simbol..saj sem ti že 2x pojasnil.

PB... še vedno ne vem, kje lahko jaz preverim tvoje navedbe...


Če jih vidis pred sabo,slikovno gradivo razkriva marsikaj ti se pa delas francoza. Te povezave so zelo jasno razvidne.
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i386 ::

PB... to da je poganski simbol? hahahaha, potem je srp pa kladivo simbol kapitalizma?

PacificBlue ::

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What are the most important and most used symbols of Sun Worship in paganism? The most important symbol is a circle, to represent the round orb of the Sun ["Magic Symbols", by Frederick Goodman, Brian Todd Publishing House, p. 38-39
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i386 ::

abarum (?) (latinsko labarum - prapor) je bil vojaški standard za prapor, ki ga je izdelal rimski cesar Konstantin I. Veliki (vladal 306-337), in so ga nosili pred njegovo vojsko. Prikazoval je prvi dve grški črki za grško ime Kristusa - hi (?) in ro (?).

To so dve črki ne pa simbol sonca

PacificBlue ::

Okrogel simbol je simbol sonca, ki kaže na poganski kult. Podobno je zelo tudi Baalovemu znamenju. Eno in isto. gre za pogasnko verovanje.
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i386 ::

Na tisteli sliki so črke, ni to simbol sonca ampak so to 2 črke skup. hi in ro.. sem ti napisal! Ni zdaj vsak okrogel simbol simbol sonca.

i386 ::

Aja, pa če malo bol pogledaš, je tisto okoli tega simbola zelenje, in ne vem kaj ima zelenje veze s soncem

PacificBlue ::

:)

The only difference between "Labarum" and the symbol of the Gaulish sun-god was that upper spoke was looped to form the letter P.

http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext05/8...
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i386 ::

Tisto ni črka P ampak je ro. In je ro z razlogom.
"Christ" (Greek: ???????, or ???????) -- Chi (?) and Rho (?)

Lj, če iščeš podobnosti jo boš našel med mravljo in ladjo.

mah, ta forum ne podpira grških črk :S

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PacificBlue ::

Podrobnosti?

Joj, si ti naiven. Če imas celotno simboliko krščanstva povezano s poganskimi religijami, ti mi pa govoris o pdorobnostih. Preveč goreč vernik si pa ti to že um megli..koncujem debato s tabo, ker nima smisla.
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i386 ::

Napisal sem PODOBNOSTI, če ne znaš brat malih tiskanih črk. In ti si preveč goreč vernik v teorije zarot, ne jaz, ker ne verujem

CoolBits ::

Zakaj pa so podobnosti? A si niso znali kaj svojega izmislit?

i386 ::

CB.. podobnosti so tudi med indijanskimi in afriškimi religijami pa to pomeni da so to kopije? remaki?

CoolBits ::

Seveda... vse je to eno in isto nategovanje... Škoda, ko se kaj novega, bolj zanimivega ne izmislijo.

solatko ::

Za enkrat jim kar to dobro nosi.

antonija ::

tole mora bit troll... ne more bit clovek (ki trdi da ni vernik) tako tup in samovsecen ter preprican da ima edini v mnozici prav (ceprav verjetnost obstaja, ampak je majhna...).
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Arto ::

Ja, krog je samo simbol sonca! Tako specifična oblika ne mora bit simbol ničesar drugega!

i386 ::

antonija... Ovržem tvoje trditve in ti me že označiš za trola. na luni niso nikoli bili, WTC so zrušili amerikanci, ne?

PacificBlue ::

PB.. to niso enaki simboli.. so samo vzorci podobne oblike..


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i386 ::

PB.. kopje in raketa sta tudi podobne oblike, sem že napisal, pa kup skal na marsu je tudi podoben človekovemu obrazu pa zato človeški obraz ni kopija tistega kupa skal :)
Ne vem zakaj tako povdarjaš, da je bil jezus bog sonca in ga povezuješ z babilonskim bogovom ribe. Kje je tukaj povezava ne vem.

PacificBlue ::





What are the most important and most used symbols of Sun Worship in paganism? The most important symbol is a circle, to represent the round orb of the Sun ["Magic Symbols", by Frederick Goodman, Brian Todd Publishing House, p. 38-39





The pagans placed a circle or aureole around the heads of their gods, which continued in the art of the church. (Even, Buddha, had this circular symbol around his head.) The disk was used to represent any being as a god or goddess. Thousands of pictures of Mary and the saints have this same symbolism.


















Toliko nakljucij? Pa to btw niso vsa..lahk ti pripopam se marsikatero. Ti bos pa omenjal tle podobnost med raketo in sulico..:)) Dej zresni se že. Krščanstvo vsebuje prov neverjetno stevilo poganskih simbolov, ki so se pojavljala že daleč nazaj pred pojavom RKC. Btw..Se tole, si kr spregledal kajne?

http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/tea...
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i386 ::

Če ti je podobnost med raketo in sulico smešna bi ti morale biti smešne tudi tvoje trditve.
Kaj mi bo tist tvoj link? Piše malo, linki ne delajo ali so pa u italjanščni.

Glede prve slike... ni naravno da mati pestuje dojenčka?
Vse kar je okroglo še ne pomeni, da predstavlja sonce
Tista zvezda pa vzorec na škrlatni podlagi sta si pa tako podobna kot tist moj primer med sulico in raketo

CoolBits ::

Ne tisto okroglo predstavlja blue ray film... imaš prav.

i386 ::

CB.. zakaj pa ne recimo oko? ali pa luno? lukno? luč? marsikaj je lahko okroglo, veš?

CoolBits ::

Aha uni bogovi častijo sonce... krščanski pa "oko? ali pa luno? lukno? luč?" ? :O

i386 ::

ne, samo predstavil sem ti, da obstajajo tudi druge okrogle oči... povej, zakaj pa ne bi smel predstavljati očesa? meni se zdi čisto logično

CoolBits ::

Se pravi krščanski bog časti oko? Si ti prepričan, da veš kaj govoriš? :D

PacificBlue ::

Če ti je podobnost med raketo in sulico smešna bi ti morale biti smešne tudi tvoje trditve.


Nikakor ne,ker jaz imam vsaj argumente, postene.

Tisti link pa govori o uporabi geomtrije v namen opazovanje, spremljanja soncnih pojavo. Imas tudi slike, ki kazejo kako sonce sledi meridianski črti na tleh cerkve..tipičen dokaz za poganski vpliv.

Pojasni mi prosim, kaj dela 8 kraka zvezda na pročelju vatikanske stavbe?(enaka kot 8kraka Ishtar) Ne in to ni Davidova zvezda, ta je 6 kraka. Mogoče predstavlja sonce?:)

Glede prve slike... ni naravno da mati pestuje dojenčka?


Ki se pojavljajo kot osrednje božanstvo,prikazano na enak način in to v zelo veliko "različnih" religija?

The placing of Mary in a crescent is a remnant of the fertility cults of the ancient mother-goddess, traceable to the Babylonian queen, Semiramis, titled, "Mother of God," and "Queen of Heaven."

Pojasni mi zkaj je sonce na vrhu kupole SV. Petra? Će nima nobene povezave kao s krščanstvom?

Zakaj svetnike prikazujejo s sijem v ozadju, prav tako kot poganska bozanstva?

In zakaj za vraga počne egipčanski obelisk sredi vaticana? Če nima krščanstvo nič s poganskimi religijami?

Prosim pojasni mi.

Se pravi krščanski bog časti oko? Si ti prepričan, da veš kaj govoriš?

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i386 ::

mogoče tista zvezda predstavlja zvezdo??

Ki se pojavljajo kot osrednje božanstvo,prikazano na enak način in to v zelo veliko "različnih" religija?

Imajo tudi tista božanstva kaj veze s soncem, ker ti je tako pomemben?

Pojasni mi zkaj je sonce na vrhu kupole SV. Petra? Će nima nobene povezave kao s krščanstvom?

amm... mogoče ker je imela prejšna največja cerkev tudi? Pantheon, Rome @ Wikipedia


Zakaj svetnike prikazujejo s sijem v ozadju, prav tako kot poganska bozanstva?
saj si napisal: The disk was used to represent any being as a god or goddess ... to pomeni da so vsi bogovi, bogovi sonca? Pač religije vplivajo druga na drugo, a to ne pomeni, da je jezus bog sonca

In zakaj za vraga počne egipčanski obelisk sredi vaticana? Če nima krščanstvo nič s poganskimi religijami?
kaj za vraga počne egipčanski obelisk sredi ljubljane? pa lepo te prosim, Trg svetega petra je bil zgrajen v renesansi in takrat so v arhitekturo vpeljali mnogo antičnih stvari.
veš, na svetu je mnogo obeliskov...

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PacificBlue ::

mogoče tista zvezda predstavlja zvezdo??


Pa to sem ti že dejal da predstavlja Ishtar zvezdo!!!


Ki se pojavljajo kot osrednje božanstvo,prikazano na enak način in to v zelo veliko "različnih" religija?

Imajo tudi tista božanstva kaj veze s soncem, ker ti je tako pomemben?


Seveda imajo, kult časščenja sonca, lune itd je del poganskih religij. Nesporno!

amm... mogoče ker je imela prejšna največja cerkev tudi? Pantheon, @ Wikipedia...


Seveda, ker je bila poganska kot RKC!

Zakaj svetnike prikazujejo s sijem v ozadju, prav tako kot poganska bozanstva?
saj si napisal: The disk was used to represent any being as a god or goddess ... to pomeni da so vsi bogovi, bogovi sonca? Pač religije vplivajo druga na drugo, a to ne pomeni, da je jezus bog sonca


A zato, ker si ti tako rekel??? LOLOLOLOL

btw, vtipkaj v google sun worship church

In zakaj za vraga počne egipčanski obelisk sredi vaticana? Če nima krščanstvo nič s poganskimi religijami?
kaj za vraga počne egipčanski obelisk sredi ljubljane? pa lepo te prosim, Trg svetega petra je bil zgrajen v renesansi in takrat so v arhitekturo vpeljali mnogo antičnih stvari.


Seveda, so jih!! In to z veseljem. Se kip sv. Petra so uvozili, ki je nekoc predstavljal v Pantheonu boga Jupitra!! Predstavljaj si to!

Ki se pojavljajo kot osrednje božanstvo,prikazano na enak način in to v zelo veliko "različnih" religija?

The placing of Mary in a crescent is a remnant of the fertility cults of the ancient mother-goddess, traceable to the Babylonian queen, Semiramis, titled, "Mother of God," and "Queen of Heaven."


Zgresil?
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i386 ::

Veš za tisti del v bibliji, ko sv. trije kralji sledijo zvezdi? :)

Krščanstvo ni pogansko... preberi si definicijo poganstva
wiki:
Poganstvo je skupen naziv za več ne-judovsko-krščanskih mnogoboštvenih religij. Izraz pogani se uporablja predvsem za antične in zgodnjesrednjeveške ljudi oziroma ljudstva, ki so se v obredih in molitvah obračala na mnoge bogove, kot tudi duhove, vile, škrate ter druga mitološka bitja. Značilne so bile tudi razne vraže, uroki, zarotitve. Kot pogane so krščanski misionarji imenovali tudi ljudstva s starodavnimi, za misionarje primitivnimi oblikami verovanja, ki še niso poznala monoteističnega Boga.

PacificBlue ::

Veš za tisti del v bibliji, ko sv. trije kralji sledijo zvezdi? :)


How convenient story:)

Krščanstvo ni pogansko... preberi si definicijo poganstva


V osnovni ideji res ne,kot jo je,če jo je siril Kristus.

Samo to kar počne Cerkev, kaksne simbole uporablja, pa kaže, ne samo kaže, potrjuje da je vpeljala mnoge poganske simbole, in to že od zgodnjih dni. In papež in kardinali me spomnjajo na egipčanske svečenike. Če branis krščanstvo zaradi izvornih kristusovih idej bi te se razumel..če pa trolas in ne opaziš resnično očitne stvari, pol pa ti res ni pomoči..verska zasljepljenost ali kaj. Ne vem.
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i386 ::

se pravi krščanstvo NI poganska religija.. bravo. Se pravi častijo jezusa kot osebo in ne sonce! Kot sem pa že povedal je cerkev postavila nekatere praznike na datum poganskih ZATO, DA BI POGANI LAŽJE PRESTOPILI V KRŠČANSTVO. ti še odebelim? povečam? narišem? Samo to ne pomeni, da je krščanstvo poganska religija

PacificBlue ::

Ne rekel sem tole,

V osnovni ideji res ne,kot jo je,če jo je siril Kristus.


Danasnja RKC pa je poganska religija! Ti odebelim,narisem, podpisem???

Kot sem pa že povedal je cerkev postavila nekatere praznike na datum poganskih ZATO, DA BI POGANI LAŽJE PRESTOPILI V KRŠČANSTVO


Mislis pogani v drugo pogansko religijo?:)
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i386 ::

RKC je ustanova. Protestanti so tudi pogani? pravoslavci tudi?
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