Dual Core AMD/Intel

Athlon64 X2 3800+

Skupaj z postnino v SLO te pride: 378,45 EUR = 90.828 SIT+ 2.000 SIT stroski nakazila = 92.828 SIT...cena pri Funtechu pa je 109.000 SIT...

Lp Primoz

primoz : al pa iz ZDA manj kakor 80k

Venice/SanDiego(2x) oz. Manchester/Toledo(ne vem ker je ker) core?

Jah sej pravm, razlika je v cahce-u. Dobr, ni lih 2x Venice/San Diego core skup zliman.

KE ti hodš Tom? Drgač pa ni dolg nazaj k sm novico spacov pa TribesMan jo je popravu o dvojedrnih Turionih. Pa še Pacifico bodo podpiral (kot prvi AMDjevi proci). BTW, Pacifica ti da možnost laufanja več OSov na enmu procu.

Jst sem pa glih pred par dnevi nabavu nov mlinček.. to je moj prvi AMD in morem rečt, da sem ZELO zadovoljen.. v mlinčku tikitaka ATHLON 64 X2 4400+/2MB BOX S939.

Če bo čas dopuščal bom kkšen članek aka. test za ST napisal :)

A si ze probal?

Tarzan to je pa spodobna cena !!!

AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ 2x2200MHz 2x512kB Box

475,36 €

mislm, da bosta prodajna uspesnica kr 3800+ in 4000+, ko pride. ostalo je waste of money.

Dr-m sej mislim da maš res prow sam čene drugega se gre za množilnik tukaj 3800 je že res slab množilnik 4000 je pa že vredu množilnik ja!

Tarzan: hvala za informacijo mogoče še lahko poveš na kateri strani to gledaš ? ? ?

Dr_M zame je tudi 10X dovolj ;)...pa ce dosezem 270mhz z Mushkin rami in n10X mnozilnik bom zadovoljen ;)

Lp Primoz

Nope...kupljen v SLO...95 K SIT je bla cena.

Lp Primoz

...sam da ne bo taka razlika v ceni kot med venice in pa san diego...

Lp Primoz

12K sit ce primerjamo 3500+ venice...ki siba pri 2,2Ghz in pa 3700+ SD, ki dela pri isti frekvenci...vir: F.U.N.T.E.C.H.

Lp Primoz

Khm...se vedno je 20 K SIT razlike...to govorim pri nas...

Lp Primoz

Primoz78: kaj bi ti jurja razlike? ja malo morgen...

no, ce ze uzames za 3800 za 95k sit (za tok dobis samo ce koga poznas, da ti da ksn dobr popust), bi dubu 4000 tut za ksnih 5k sit cenej

mene zanima če so ti inteli d 2.8 za 75 jurjev enakovreden temu x2 3800+
oziroma kakšna je razlika med njima če sploh je

@seminal
Pri dual core ni pametno gledat samo ceno procesorja ampak paketa procesor+plošča+ram.
če primerjam cene v Sloveniji za oba sistema - kar sicer n zdravo - glede na to kako cenejši je D-land:

proc: Pentium D 820, 75k
plate: 845/855 čipset, cene od 34k (intel osnovna) do 66k (asus). (Nvidia intel SLI ne požira dual core - kakor mi je znano)
ram: DDRII 667, 44k (2x512)
kar nanese: 153k poceni rešitev in 185k dražja rešitev z 855 plato.

proc: ATHLON 64 X2 3800+, 105k
plate: praktično karkoli na socket 939 (bios update), cene od 19k do 52k (asus SLI raid). (za 38k dobiš Epox SLIplato)
ram: DDR 400, 30k (2x512)
kar nanese: 154k poceni rešitev in 185k dražja rešitev z DFI Lanparty SLI-D plato (50k).

Cena za proc+plata+ram je praktično enaka za AMD ali Intel dual core. Po primerjalnih testih naj bi X2 3800+ konkuriral D830 (3.0GHz - 95k) oz. bil v večini nesinetičnih testov hitrejši. Razlika v tem primeru je 20k ceneje v prid AMD.

btw: pri intel 845 čipset platah piše "Dual-core ready" medtem ko pri 855 platah piše "Dual-core CPU". Očitno je ena finta - a kdo ve ?

x74

Vprasanje sploh ce bo 4000+ X2..kdaj pa naj bi bil izid? Nic nisem zasledil...neki se govori na XS-u prav na temo X2 3800+ ali X2 4000+...pa ni nic konkretnih podatkov...Drugace pa zaenkrat rezultati pri mojem X2 3800+...2x2,4ghz pri 1,421 V...s stock coolerjem sem ga pa burnal prvo 10 ur pri default nastavitvah in se danes cez noc 9 ur pri zgoraj omenjenih nastavitvah...zraven pa seveda se bittorrent vkljucen Pred prvim burnanjem mi je pa prime kar je bilo pri 2,4ghz in pod 1,456V vedno error vrgu...

Lp Primoz

kaj bi brez fanboy P|P|ja

Torej čipset je 945/955x in ne 8xx

Kar se tiče dualcore Nvidia SLI intel podpore je tudi res. SLI intel edition načelno podpira Pentium D procesorje, je pa na proizvajalcih plošč ali to podporo omogočijo. Predvsem gre za podporo TM2 oz. t.i. throtlanju na 2.8GHz. Asus SLintel plate dual core podpirajo, medtem ko Epox ne. Podpira Abit nad v1.1, prav tako Biostar. MSI podpira.

Ostalo pa seveda drži kot pribito.

Za napake se seveda oproščam

\\dodatek
Anandtech je pred kratkim testiral Gigabyte in MSI SLI plati za intlove dvogrelce.
Obe plati nista hoteli prebaviti najcenejših D 820 procesorjev, razlaga oz. mnenje zakaj je sledeče:

We know NVIDIA did not have the Pentium D 820 available in time during the design and tape out of the nForce4 SLI Intel Edition chipset to ensure proper validation testing and certification of this CPU. They were also faced with a marketing decision in regards to supporting a "budget" level dual-core CPU on a very high-end chipset that was mainly targeting the single-core CPU market at launch time. NVIDIA thought the typical dual-core user buying this type of board would certainly want the 830 at a minimum and certainly the 840 on this board. My opinion is they underestimated the Intel enthusiast crowd that flocked to the 820 based upon its price /performance features and ability to overclock easily past the 840 stock speeds for 45% of the price.

From a technical viewpoint there is a large difference between the Intel Pentium D 820 and the Intel Pentium D 830/840 series design specifications that I believe is what caused NVIDIA grief with the short product launch window.

The Intel Pentium D 830 and Intel Pentium D 840 processors incorporate Intel's EIST (Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology) that is also included on the 6xx line of processors that also start at 3 GHz like the 830. EIST basically senses when the cores are being under utilized and will dynamically reduce the CPU multiplier (minimum is 14x) to slow down the processor in order to reduce both energy consumption and thermal conditions.

EIST is an integral part of Intel's TM2 (Thermal Monitor 2, nForce4 Intel does not support but will in future releases) and C1E advanced halt state technologies which constantly monitor and will dynamically reduce the processor's speed in overheating and idle conditions respectively. A speed of 2.8GHz (14 x 200) is the lowest state to which EIST will reduce the Pentium D or Pentium 4 6xx processor speed. This explains why the Intel Pentium D 820 processor (already at 2.8GHz) does not utilize this technology and does not have TM2 or C1E support.

It is my opinion that NVIDIA was only able to get the Intel Pentium D 830/840 series to work properly (at stock multipliers) due to the initial support for the Pentium 4 6xx series processors in the chipset. Due to the timing and quick release of the Pentium D series I believe NVIDIA worked feverishly to ensure basic EIST functionality in the nForce4 SLI Intel chipset for the Pentium D 830/840 series but did not have time to design/validate the unique code requirements for the 820 due to its differing technology. I think this explains the reason why the 830/840 series will go to single-core mode when the multiplier changes as its EIST support is limited for the Pentium D series. We have to remember that the nForce4 SLI Intel chipset was ready and basically launching before the Pentium D came to market. I know NVIDIA wanted full support but just ran out time in my opinion. They have assured us repeatedly that their next chipset revision will have full support and since they have had some time to work with the Pentium D, I believe them (reserve future rights to deny this statement). ;-)
Gary Key, Anandtech

Torej, če kupujete Pentium D v kombinaciji z Nvidia SLI plato bo potrebno seči globje v žep, intel D 820 očitno v SLI platah ne deluje.

x74

Drugače pa tako ali pa tako dvojederne tehnologije ne izkoristi 3/4 aplikacij naložit je treba windowse xp 64x potem pa se stvari spremenijo ampak še vseeno vsi programi ne uporabljajo polne zmogljivosti procesorja....

Kako pa to nardiš? Ti to omogočajo Windowsi ali rabiš kakšen dodatek?

Jest sam vem da se da pomapat po jedrih, več ne vem. Mam običnega Venice-a.

Ja, sem bil 99% da je v task managerju, sam nisem vedel kako. Nekako sem malo predvideval da je kje kakšna nastavitev, magari v desnem kliku, a se nisem obremenjeval s tem TBH :>