Kateri pralni stroj

Za ogled testa ne mislim plačevati, kako delajo slabe teste in pridejo do zavajajočih rezultatov sem pa že opisal pred par dnevi.

ko bi okapi vsaj vedel zakaj (tudi) prihaja do različnih učinkovitosti pranja (sem to nekoč napisal), pa si še tega ni zapomnil...

Netrunner je 11. dec 2024 ob 10:46 izjavil:

Toraj, ali kdo pozna razliko pri boschu med "Večkrat zaščita proti izli.vode" in "Aquastop"?

Večkratna zaščita pred izlivom naj bi bila narejena na način kot ga omenjate. Torej nekje v stroju pušča voda in se steka navzdol v korito s peno. To sproži alarm in vklopi se elektroventil v stroju, ki zapre dotok vode. Prav tako stroj s pumpo izprazni sistem. Iztekanje vode je tako omejeno.

Aqua stop z garancijo pa ima elektroventil tudi na začetku dovodne cevi, torej ga priviješ na kotni ventil na steni. Dovodna cev je sestavljena iz ene večje cevi v kateri je manjša cev za vodo ter vodniki za ventil. Ventil se odpira samo po potrebi oz. ko stroj vodo potrebuje. Če pride do puščanja vode v stroju je postopek praktično enak kot zgoraj. Če pa začne puščati dovod, pa se izliv ujame v večjo cev in zapre se ventil na cevi. Aqua-stop je torej nadgradnja večkratne zaščite in ščiti še pred puščanjem dovodne cevi. Bosch pa ti povrne nastalo škodo pri izlivu.

Netrunner je 11. dec 2024 ob 18:44 izjavil:

Se pravi je "Večkrat zaščita proti izli.vode" boljša, saj aquastop lahko dokupiš, če pa imaš samo aquastop potem imaš samo eno zaščito?

Funkcionalno nepismen si.

"Aqua stop z garancijo pa ima elektroventil tudi na začetku dovodne cevi, torej ga priviješ na kotni ventil na steni. Dovodna cev je sestavljena iz ene večje cevi v kateri je manjša cev za vodo ter vodniki za ventil. Ventil se odpira samo po potrebi oz. ko stroj vodo potrebuje. Če pride do puščanja vode v stroju je postopek praktično enak kot zgoraj. Če pa začne puščati dovod, pa se izliv ujame v večjo cev in zapre se ventil na cevi. Aqua-stop je torej nadgradnja večkratne zaščite in ščiti še pred puščanjem dovodne cevi. Bosch pa ti povrne nastalo škodo pri izlivu."

Kaj se zgodi s tem sistemom, če stroj nima el. napajanja, ker je ta npr. izkloplje s stikalom na steni, kot je narejenih večina kopalnic?

tony1 je 12. dec 2024 ob 09:26 izjavil:

Kaj se zgodi s tem sistemom, če stroj nima el. napajanja, ker je ta npr. izkloplje s stikalom na steni, kot je narejenih večina kopalnic?

Če ni elektrike, se ventil zapre.
Razen, če ga je dizajniral kaki pacient...

Bosch prvi takole:

Dvojna zaščita pred škodo zaradi izliva vode.

Garancija Bosch AquaStop ponuja zaščito pred škodo zaradi izliva vode skozi celotno življenjsko dobo aparata. Naši pralni stroji s sistemom AquaStop so opremljeni s posebno dvostensko dovodno cevjo, varnostnim ventilom in talnim rezervoarjem s plavajočim stikalom, kar preprečuje vsakovrstno škodo zaradi vode, naj bo to v dovodni cevi ali zaradi puščanja stroja.

Vir: https://www.bosch-home.si/sl/mkt-produc... (klikni na "Dvojna zaščita pred škodo zaradi izliva vode." pod "Poudarki")

MrStein je 18. dec 2024 ob 13:44 izjavil:

PS: A se voda ne dozira glede na količino perila že od nekdaj?

Ne, da "zvaga" perilo, mora bit že bolj napreden model.

Počak da pride poletje pa stoletne suše, boš na obali pral s morsko vodo.

Si kdo lasti doma SpeedQueen pralni stroj kateri zdržijo 25 let / 10400 ciklov?
Revju v Wirecutter https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/revi...

Za nas je v Bostonu prodajalec Yale Appliance objavil seznam najbolj zanesljivih, ki jih je lani zabeležil njihov servisni oddelek, ki temeljijo na več kot 33000 servisnih klicih.

Front-Load Washer Reliability for 2025
The following service rates are based on a minimum of 100 products sold and a total sample of over 3,000 products within 12 months.
Service Rates
GE Profile 3.2%
Samsung 3.4%
LG 3.6%
GE Appliances 6.9%
Grand Total 4.5%

GE Profile has been the most reliable front-load washer brand we've sold in the last 12 months, with a service rate of just 3.2%.
For the first time in at least five years, LG is not in first place for front-load washers in 2024-25.
That said, the difference is only 0.4%, statistically insignificant if you buy just one washer.
This means very few GE Profile washers needed repairs in their first year.
GE Profile washers offer solid features, such as the UltraFresh Vent System with OdorBlock, which helps prevent mold and mildew.
Their SmartDispense technology holds up to 32 loads of detergent and automatically dispenses the right amount of detergent based on the wash you are doing.
They added Microban, an antimicrobial material, to the door gasket, dispensing system, and drain system.
GE, by far, does the best job of preventing mold, mildew, and odors.
The profile washers also have AI built into the machine to determine the best way to wash the fabrics in the machine based on load size, stain detection, and the type of fabric.
There have been some noise or sensor issues reports, but overall, GE Profile washers remain a reliable choice.
GE Appliances' extensive service network also backs them. However, service availability can vary by region, so checking your area before purchasing is important.

However, dealing with Samsung's customer service can be a nightmare when something goes wrong.
Even minor issues turn into major frustrations when it comes to repairs.

Samsung front-load washers were the second most reliable brand we carried. With a 3.4% service rate, only 3 to 4 out of every 100 units sold required service within the first year.
Despite being the top-selling brand in the U.S., Samsung lacks a dedicated service department.
While its basic models are popular, we don't carry the pricier 2-in-1 or AddWash models.

What's impressive about LG is that they are the second most reliable appliance brand and the most innovative in 2024.
LG washers are among the few products with our reliability reports aligning with Consumer Reports.
Usually, being the most innovative means being the most serviced, but that's not the case with LG.
New LG washers feature AI cycles and automatic dispensers similar to the GE profile.

Top-Load Washer Reliability for 2025
The following service rates are based on a minimum of 50 products sold and a total sample of over 700 products within 12 months.
Service Rates
LG 3.2%
Speed Queen 3.6%
GE 7.0%
GE Profile 8.5%
Grand Total 5.5%

Like others on this list, LG, with a service rate of 3.2%, incorporates many traditional front-load features into its top-load models.
Their most popular top-load washer, the LG WT8405CW, is massive at 5.3 cubic feet. It features the TurboWash360 system, which shortens any cycle to 30 minutes.
Unlike their front-load washers, you can soak your clothes thoroughly with a deep fill.

If you're looking for a washer built to last, Speed Queen's top-load models have a solid 3.6% service rate - just a bit behind LG's average of 3.2%.
Speed Queen has been made in Wisconsin for over 100 years and focuses on build and durability.
With the TR7003WN model, you get a quiet, gentle wash backed by a 7-year warranty.
While they don't sell as many as other brands, which often have more features, Speed Queen washers are straightforward.
If you want an American-made washer, the TR7003WN is a good choice.

Top-Load Washer Reliability for 2025
The following service rates are based on a minimum of 50 products sold and a total sample of over 700 products within 12 months.
Service Rates
LG 3.2%
Speed Queen 3.6%
GE 7.0%
GE Profile 8.5%
Grand Total 5.5%

Like others on this list, LG, with a service rate of 3.2%, incorporates many traditional front-load features into its top-load models.
Their most popular top-load washer, the LG WT8405CW, is massive at 5.3 cubic feet. It features the TurboWash360 system, which shortens any cycle to 30 minutes.
Unlike their front-load washers, you can soak your clothes thoroughly with a deep fill.

If you're looking for a washer built to last, Speed Queen's top-load models have a solid 3.6% service rate - just a bit behind LG's average of 3.2%.
Speed Queen has been made in Wisconsin for over 100 years and focuses on build and durability.
With the TR7003WN model, you get a quiet, gentle wash backed by a 7-year warranty.
While they don't sell as many as other brands, which often have more features, Speed Queen washers are straightforward.
If you want an American-made washer, the TR7003WN is a good choice.

darkolord je 18. dec 2024 ob 20:24 izjavil:

SpeedQueen je večji, precej dražji, glasnejši, manj nežen do perila, ima nižjo hitrost, nima grelca za vodo, dobava rezervnih delov je daljša.

Sem uporabljal SpeedQueen v Bruslju pred 20 leti pa mi je opral s toplo vodo, mogoce je bil pa prikljucen na boljer.

Hotfix za toplo vodo (izberes program ki in eco)


Se en review na YT

Okapi je 18. dec 2024 ob 20:49 izjavil:

HrščPščvnk je 18. dec 2024 ob 20:33 izjavil:

GE Profile has been the most reliable front-load washer brand we've sold in the last 12 months, with a service rate of just 3.2%.

Mimogrede, GE je že kar nekaj let blagovna znamka od Haierja.

Si bom pogledal se Haier.

Vsak podatek je boljši kot nič - če ga znaš pravilno uporabit.

Tule recimo lahko potegnemo zaključek, da razlik v zanesljivosti med testiranimi firmami pralnih strojev praktično ni.

That said, the difference is only 0.4%, statistically insignificant

Poleg tega se v statistiko zajeli samo popravila v prvem letu rabe, kar je sicer še vedno bolje kot nič, ampak za potrošnika je precej bolj pomembno, kakšni so stroški v življenjski dobi stroja (se pravi popravila, ko stroj ni več v garanciji).

Pomembno je tudi, koliko ur stroj deluje. Pri meni recimo v 10 letih dela toliko, kot v kakšni družini v enem letu. Tako da si z anekdotičnim podatkom, da imam electroluxa že 20+ let, pa še ni videl serviserja, ne morete prav dosti pomagati.

HrščPščvnk je 18. dec 2024 ob 23:36 izjavil:

Bistveno je podano v članku da je LG bil štiri leta na prvem mestu z najmanj servisnimi klici, letos je na drugem mestu

Ljudje brez ustreznega znanja statistike težko razumejo, da če razlika ni statistično pomembna (in v tem primeru ni), je razvrstitev na prvo, drugo... mesto posledica naključja, ne tega, da bi bil en stroj malo boljši od drugega.