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Mr.B ::

Samuel,
Zagotovo hočeš nekaj pametnega povedati. Ampak ja morda bo pa Trumpu kot tretjemu predsedniku USA, ki pošilja vojsko na mehiško mejo uspelo. No verjetno upanje umre zadnje, kot dokazovanje dumpinga kitajske pošte.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Samuel ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Samuel,
Zagotovo hočeš nekaj pametnega povedati. Ampak ja morda bo pa Trumpu kot tretjemu predsedniku USA, ki pošilja vojsko na mehiško mejo uspelo. No verjetno upanje umre zadnje, kot dokazovanje dumpinga kitajske pošte.


Dumping evidentno obstaja. Hvala za dokaz (če je temu članku za verjet). In za vso tisto tvojo klobasarijo izped tedna dveh, kako gre pri Kitajcih za super organizirano pošto z veliko količino paketov. HAHAHA.
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.

Mr.B ::

Samuel je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Samuel,
Zagotovo hočeš nekaj pametnega povedati. Ampak ja morda bo pa Trumpu kot tretjemu predsedniku USA, ki pošilja vojsko na mehiško mejo uspelo. No verjetno upanje umre zadnje, kot dokazovanje dumpinga kitajske pošte.


Dumping evidentno obstaja. Hvala za dokaz (če je temu članku za verjet). In za vso tisto tvojo klobasarijo izped tedna dveh, kako gre pri Kitajcih za super organizirano pošto z veliko količino paketov. HAHAHA.

Seveda obstaja, izsilile so ga ZDA, krivi so pa Kitajci ki se ga držijo.

Ok sej je v redu. če smo v tej temi brali kdo koga natepava, bo pač tudi ta zgodba nekje povezano z Nato && Rusijo. Ti že veš.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Samuel ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Samuel je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Samuel,
Zagotovo hočeš nekaj pametnega povedati. Ampak ja morda bo pa Trumpu kot tretjemu predsedniku USA, ki pošilja vojsko na mehiško mejo uspelo. No verjetno upanje umre zadnje, kot dokazovanje dumpinga kitajske pošte.


Dumping evidentno obstaja. Hvala za dokaz (če je temu članku za verjet). In za vso tisto tvojo klobasarijo izped tedna dveh, kako gre pri Kitajcih za super organizirano pošto z veliko količino paketov. HAHAHA.

Seveda obstaja, izsilile so ga ZDA, krivi so pa Kitajci ki se ga držijo.

Ok sej je v redu. če smo v tej temi brali kdo koga natepava, bo pač tudi ta zgodba nekje povezano z Nato && Rusijo. Ti že veš.


Že spet si derailal temo, dobil po glavi in zopet cviliš. Bo treba odrast.
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.

Mr.B ::

Samuel je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Samuel je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Samuel,
Zagotovo hočeš nekaj pametnega povedati. Ampak ja morda bo pa Trumpu kot tretjemu predsedniku USA, ki pošilja vojsko na mehiško mejo uspelo. No verjetno upanje umre zadnje, kot dokazovanje dumpinga kitajske pošte.


Dumping evidentno obstaja. Hvala za dokaz (če je temu članku za verjet). In za vso tisto tvojo klobasarijo izped tedna dveh, kako gre pri Kitajcih za super organizirano pošto z veliko količino paketov. HAHAHA.

Seveda obstaja, izsilile so ga ZDA, krivi so pa Kitajci ki se ga držijo.

Ok sej je v redu. če smo v tej temi brali kdo koga natepava, bo pač tudi ta zgodba nekje povezano z Nato && Rusijo. Ti že veš.


Že spet si derailal temo, dobil po glavi in zopet cviliš. Bo treba odrast.

Seveda obstaja, izsilile so ga ZDA, krivi so pa Kitajci ki se ga držijo.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Mr.B ::

Počasi se igra zaključuje, samo da se ne bo zaključila na napačnem koncu ....
Trump & the UAE: Connecting the dots
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Mogoče dober naci doxxa druge nacije?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tr...

Who is Ricky Vaughn? That was one of the big questions for anyone following far-right politics during the 2016 presidential election. The Twitter troll who took his name and avatar from Charlie Sheen’s character in “Major League” was everywhere on social media, an indefatigable circulator of edgy memes and rah-rah Donald Trump boosterism.

And anti-Semitism and white nationalism:
Lots of it:
...

The MIT Media Lab named him to its list of top 150 influencers on the election, based on news appearances and social media impact. He finished ahead of NBC News, Drudge Report and Stephen Colbert. Mainstream conservatives didn’t know they were retweeting an avowed racist and anti-Semite, but they liked what Ricky Vaughn had to say.

...

Ricky Vaughn also played an important role in amplifying disinformation injected into American politics by the Russian government. HuffPost and a team of data scientists known as Susan Bourbaki Anthony that tracks online propaganda analyzed who was retweeting the now infamous Kremlin-controlled Twitter account @TEN_GOP, which consistently praised Trump, attacked Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and churned out a vile medley of racism, Islamophobia and “fake news.”

In the data set of significant accounts we looked at, Ricky Vaughn retweeted @TEN_GOP the most, by far. Although Twitter shut down his @Ricky_Vaughn99 handle in October 2016, another handle he used, @RapinBill, took over and retweeted @TEN_GOP at least 162 times between early March and late August 2017. (@RapinBill also retweeted @Pamela_Moore13, another Kremlin-controlled account, at least 37 times during this period.)

When Twitter finally shut down @TEN_GOP last August, after having ignored numerous complaints about the Russian account, Ricky Vaughn did not take it well. He groused that @TEN_GOP had been “banned for supporting our president.” Within hours, he was steering traffic to the Kremlin’s backup account:

Ricky Vaughn was able to remain anonymous ― until this week.

On Monday, white nationalist Republican candidate Paul Nehlen, who is running against House Speaker Paul Ryan in Wisconsin, grew upset about criticism directed at him ― and seemingly not disavowed by Ricky Vaughn ― as the alt-right fragments under the weight of infighting, lawsuits and anti-fascist opposition. Two main camps have emerged: the real-world extremists who want to continue holding rallies and mixing it up in the streets, and the “optics cucks” who think the best approach to the mainstream is to keep pushing alt-right ideas through better propaganda. Ricky Vaughn is in the latter camp. And he hasn’t been shy about it.

“I’m dividing the movement between effective people and dumb losers,” he wrote on Gab, a social media platform overrun by white supremacists.

Amid all this infighting, an angry Nehlen dropped Ricky Vaughn’s real name:

Douglass Mackey.

...

On Tuesday, Christopher Cantwell, another white nationalist who is feuding with Ricky Vaughn, posted a more recent photo of the propagandist to Gab that wasn’t readily available online. It appeared to be an older, heavier Mackey.


...

So who is Doug Mackey?

The 28-year-old has done a good job keeping information about himself off the internet.

...

Mackey is from Waterbury, Vermont, a small town of around 5,000 people in the middle of the state. His father, Scott, a lobbyist who focuses on tax policy affecting wireless communications and the digital economy, was a former legislative aide to the late U.S. Sen. Jim Jeffords (R-Vt.). When contacted by email, Scott told HuffPost that “this is a very difficult time for our family and I don’t have any comment.”

His mother, Kathleen, whom HuffPost reached by phone, also declined to speak about her son. “I don’t have anything to say at this time,” she said.

Mackey’s education is easier to trace. He went to Harwood Union High School, then nearby Middlebury College, where he competed on the track and field team for one season, running mainly the 800-meter distance. He graduated in 2011 with an economics degree.

After college, he moved to Brooklyn, New York, and took a job as an economist at John Dunham & Associates, an economic consulting firm that uses data to help clients “respond to threats and opportunities in the policy arena.” When reached by phone on Wednesday, the president of the company, John Dunham, confirmed that Mackey had been an employee there from April 2012 to July 2016, when he was terminated for reasons that Dunham could not reveal under New York labor laws. (A month earlier, the @RapinBill Twitter account was registered.)

Mackey appears to have moved that year into a two-bedroom apartment on Lexington Avenue in the Carnegie Hill neighborhood on Manhattan’s Upper East Side. That was certainly his residence by the time he voted, as a Republican, in the 2016 election, according to New York voter registration information.

...

Ricky Vaughn had also by then gone public with the history of his political metamorphosis into a white nationalist, which began, as it did for many members of the alt-right around his age, with Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential campaign. Paul’s conspiratorial libertarianism and racist ideas were attractive to many young white men with hard-right leanings. For some, though, Paul wasn’t radical enough. He was merely a gateway.

...

During Gamergate, a 2014 online harassment campaign waged by misogynists and racists online against women and minorities in the video game industry, Ricky Vaughn linked up with Yiannopoulos and Cernovich, who were ringleaders in the harassment and would both go on to even greater notoriety with their attempts to contaminate American political discourse with conspiracy theories.

“I owe a lot to them,” Ricky Vaughn said on a recent podcast.


ADIJOOO1 je izjavil:

In kaj je to zaen revež Thomas Moore, ki ima komaj 209 sledilcev na Twiterju ?


Iz twitter biografije, ki bi jo lahko prebral, če si že preverjal število sledilcev.

Ex-Senate Committee staff.#Nuclear nonproliferator|US-#Russia #armscontrol skeptic|#airpower aficionado|#strategicстебility|all things deadly & beautiful.

Hiter gugl pa vrže

https://www.csis.org/news/former-senior...

Former Senior Adviser SFRC Thomas Moore Joins CSIS as Proliferation Prevention Program Deputy Director

The Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) is pleased to announce that Thomas C. Moore has joined as Senior Fellow and Deputy Director of the CSIS Proliferation Prevention Program.

...

Moore joins CSIS from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (SFRC), where he served on the Committee’s professional staff for Senator Richard G. Lugar (R-IN) from 2003 to 2013. During this time, he was the senior Republican adviser for all nonproliferation matters. He worked in the United States Senate for 15 years, working on the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC) prior to coming to the Foreign Relations Committee. He frequently joined Senator Lugar on his annual trips throughout Russia and the former Soviet Union to oversee the operation of the Nunn-Lugar program.

On the Committee, Moore was the lead professional staff member for the Moscow Treaty, the U.S.-IAEA Additional Protocol, and its implementing statute; the Convention on Supplementary Compensation for Nuclear Damage. He was the lead staff member on agreements for peaceful nuclear cooperation under section 123 of the Atomic Energy Act with India, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Turkey and several other nations. He also oversaw major U.S. arms sales and transfers; U.S. defense trade treaties with the United Kingdom and Australia, and their implementing statutes, as well as the New START Treaty.

Moore is proficient in Russian. He received his BA in History and Russian and East European Studies from the University of Kansas.


Pač, en luzer brez twitter sledilcev. Ne tako kot mnenjski voditelj Ricky Vaughn.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mogoče dober naci doxxa druge nacije?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tr...

Who is Ricky Vaughn? That was one of the big questions for anyone following far-right politics during the 2016 presidential election. The Twitter troll who took his name and avatar from Charlie Sheen’s character in “Major League” was everywhere on social media, an indefatigable circulator of edgy memes and rah-rah Donald Trump boosterism.

And anti-Semitism and white nationalism:
Lots of it:
...

The MIT Media Lab named him to its list of top 150 influencers on the election, based on news appearances and social media impact. He finished ahead of NBC News, Drudge Report and Stephen Colbert. Mainstream conservatives didn’t know they were retweeting an avowed racist and anti-Semite, but they liked what Ricky Vaughn had to say.

...

Ricky Vaughn also played an important role in amplifying disinformation injected into American politics by the Russian government. HuffPost and a team of data scientists known as Susan Bourbaki Anthony that tracks online propaganda analyzed who was retweeting the now infamous Kremlin-controlled Twitter account @TEN_GOP, which consistently praised Trump, attacked Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and churned out a vile medley of racism, Islamophobia and “fake news.”

In the data set of significant accounts we looked at, Ricky Vaughn retweeted @TEN_GOP the most, by far. Although Twitter shut down his @Ricky_Vaughn99 handle in October 2016, another handle he used, @RapinBill, took over and retweeted @TEN_GOP at least 162 times between early March and late August 2017. (@RapinBill also retweeted @Pamela_Moore13, another Kremlin-controlled account, at least 37 times during this period.)

When Twitter finally shut down @TEN_GOP last August, after having ignored numerous complaints about the Russian account, Ricky Vaughn did not take it well. He groused that @TEN_GOP had been “banned for supporting our president.” Within hours, he was steering traffic to the Kremlin’s backup account:

Ricky Vaughn was able to remain anonymous ― until this week.

On Monday, white nationalist Republican candidate Paul Nehlen, who is running against House Speaker Paul Ryan in Wisconsin, grew upset about criticism directed at him ― and seemingly not disavowed by Ricky Vaughn ― as the alt-right fragments under the weight of infighting, lawsuits and anti-fascist opposition. Two main camps have emerged: the real-world extremists who want to continue holding rallies and mixing it up in the streets, and the “optics cucks” who think the best approach to the mainstream is to keep pushing alt-right ideas through better propaganda. Ricky Vaughn is in the latter camp. And he hasn’t been shy about it.

“I’m dividing the movement between effective people and dumb losers,” he wrote on Gab, a social media platform overrun by white supremacists.

Amid all this infighting, an angry Nehlen dropped Ricky Vaughn’s real name:

Douglass Mackey.

...

On Tuesday, Christopher Cantwell, another white nationalist who is feuding with Ricky Vaughn, posted a more recent photo of the propagandist to Gab that wasn’t readily available online. It appeared to be an older, heavier Mackey.


...

So who is Doug Mackey?

The 28-year-old has done a good job keeping information about himself off the internet.

...

Mackey is from Waterbury, Vermont, a small town of around 5,000 people in the middle of the state. His father, Scott, a lobbyist who focuses on tax policy affecting wireless communications and the digital economy, was a former legislative aide to the late U.S. Sen. Jim Jeffords (R-Vt.). When contacted by email, Scott told HuffPost that “this is a very difficult time for our family and I don’t have any comment.”

His mother, Kathleen, whom HuffPost reached by phone, also declined to speak about her son. “I don’t have anything to say at this time,” she said.

Mackey’s education is easier to trace. He went to Harwood Union High School, then nearby Middlebury College, where he competed on the track and field team for one season, running mainly the 800-meter distance. He graduated in 2011 with an economics degree.

After college, he moved to Brooklyn, New York, and took a job as an economist at John Dunham & Associates, an economic consulting firm that uses data to help clients “respond to threats and opportunities in the policy arena.” When reached by phone on Wednesday, the president of the company, John Dunham, confirmed that Mackey had been an employee there from April 2012 to July 2016, when he was terminated for reasons that Dunham could not reveal under New York labor laws. (A month earlier, the @RapinBill Twitter account was registered.)

Mackey appears to have moved that year into a two-bedroom apartment on Lexington Avenue in the Carnegie Hill neighborhood on Manhattan’s Upper East Side. That was certainly his residence by the time he voted, as a Republican, in the 2016 election, according to New York voter registration information.

...

Ricky Vaughn had also by then gone public with the history of his political metamorphosis into a white nationalist, which began, as it did for many members of the alt-right around his age, with Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential campaign. Paul’s conspiratorial libertarianism and racist ideas were attractive to many young white men with hard-right leanings. For some, though, Paul wasn’t radical enough. He was merely a gateway.

...

During Gamergate, a 2014 online harassment campaign waged by misogynists and racists online against women and minorities in the video game industry, Ricky Vaughn linked up with Yiannopoulos and Cernovich, who were ringleaders in the harassment and would both go on to even greater notoriety with their attempts to contaminate American political discourse with conspiracy theories.

“I owe a lot to them,” Ricky Vaughn said on a recent podcast.


ADIJOOO1 je izjavil:

In kaj je to zaen revež Thomas Moore, ki ima komaj 209 sledilcev na Twiterju ?


Iz twitter biografije, ki bi jo lahko prebral, če si že preverjal število sledilcev.

Ex-Senate Committee staff.#Nuclear nonproliferator|US-#Russia #armscontrol skeptic|#airpower aficionado|#strategicстебility|all things deadly & beautiful.

Hiter gugl pa vrže

https://www.csis.org/news/former-senior...

Former Senior Adviser SFRC Thomas Moore Joins CSIS as Proliferation Prevention Program Deputy Director

The Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) is pleased to announce that Thomas C. Moore has joined as Senior Fellow and Deputy Director of the CSIS Proliferation Prevention Program.

...

Moore joins CSIS from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (SFRC), where he served on the Committee’s professional staff for Senator Richard G. Lugar (R-IN) from 2003 to 2013. During this time, he was the senior Republican adviser for all nonproliferation matters. He worked in the United States Senate for 15 years, working on the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC) prior to coming to the Foreign Relations Committee. He frequently joined Senator Lugar on his annual trips throughout Russia and the former Soviet Union to oversee the operation of the Nunn-Lugar program.

On the Committee, Moore was the lead professional staff member for the Moscow Treaty, the U.S.-IAEA Additional Protocol, and its implementing statute; the Convention on Supplementary Compensation for Nuclear Damage. He was the lead staff member on agreements for peaceful nuclear cooperation under section 123 of the Atomic Energy Act with India, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Turkey and several other nations. He also oversaw major U.S. arms sales and transfers; U.S. defense trade treaties with the United Kingdom and Australia, and their implementing statutes, as well as the New START Treaty.

Moore is proficient in Russian. He received his BA in History and Russian and East European Studies from the University of Kansas.


Pač, en luzer brez twitter sledilcev. Ne tako kot mnenjski voditelj Ricky Vaughn.

Mogoče je čas, da kometiraš če je Izrael spada pod Fašiste.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Vedel sem, da Stone swinga, ne pa, da je tako butast.

https://twitter.com/WuTangCannabis/stat...

Holy shit roger stone is a literal cuck. And also contacts julian assange and other political operatives using the same 12 year old hotmail dot com email address he uses to solicit sex. 100% smooth galaxy brain genius.

CTRL+F "Hot Cuban Pussy":
https://darkcavern.com/classic/stories_...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Vedel sem, da Stone swinga, ne pa, da je tako butast.

https://twitter.com/WuTangCannabis/stat...

Holy shit roger stone is a literal cuck. And also contacts julian assange and other political operatives using the same 12 year old hotmail dot com email address he uses to solicit sex. 100% smooth galaxy brain genius.

CTRL+F "Hot Cuban Pussy":
https://darkcavern.com/classic/stories_...

Še ena troll farma, ki ima skoraj 4000 oboževalcev.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Če Rusija ne bi podpirala trenutnega diktatorja, bi ta veza razpadla v trenutku. Slovansko bratstvo gor ali dol. V bistvu je glavna motivacija večine ruskih partnerstev "Hej diktator? Mi smo tvoj edini prijatelj z vetom v VS ZN. Toleriraj nas."

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/statu...

#Russia's agriculture minister urged #Belarus dairy producers to seek markets other than Russia as domestic producers want to remove the imports. Another trade dispute in the Moscow-led #EEU

https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis...

On 26 February 2018, Russia’s agricultural and food sector regulator, Rosselkhoznadzor, said that the ban on imports of milk and dairy products from Belarus to Russia would become effective from 6 March.

...

On 22 February 2018, Rosselkhoznadzor announced the introduction of the ban on dairy exports from Belarus, allegedly triggered by product quality concerns about Belarusian dairy exports, from 26 February.

Both Belarus and Russia are members of the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU), founded in 2015, alongside with Armenia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, where trade between the member states should be unrestricted. It was established as a Russian-centred alternative to the European Union (EU) for the post-Soviet states, and is similarly based on unrestricted movement of goods, services, capital and labour. Russia is the dominant economy in the EEU, representing 87% of the combined GDP.

...

The Russian government has a long track record of using trade restrictions to penalise other post-Soviet neighbouring states for political reasons, for example the periodic ban on import of wines and fruit from Moldova (see Moldova: 31 July 2014: Doubling of Moldovan fruit export quotas to EU to partly alleviate political, economic effects of Russian ban). EEU member states are also targeted, as exemplified by regular trade disputes between Russia and Kazakhstan.

Belarus has a long history of multiple trade disputes with Russia, mostly relating to natural gas, crude oil and oil products. This is not the first time that Russia has punished Belarusian dairy producers. In May 2017, the Russian regulator applied a similar ban on a number of Belarusian dairy producers, citing non-compliance with quality and sanitary standards.

...

Thus, the Russian government clearly prioritises domestic food suppliers, even if this comes at expense of its trade allies within the EEU, such as Belarus. The Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC), the governing body of the EEU, on 23 February expressed its concern about the Russian ban. While there are occasional incidents of product quality control in regards to specific firms in Belarus and other EEU countries, the politicised use of regulatory barriers is an easy avenue for Russia to channel political pressures against its junior trade partners in the trading bloc.

...

The latest ban on Belarusian dairy products is at ostensibly driven by that concern in order to clamp down on the illicit re-exports. However, the regulatory issue also presents an opportunity for Russia to leverage the interests of its domestic food manufacturers. Just before the ban on Belarusian dairy imports to Russia was announced, the Russian milk producers association reported “an oversupply in domestic milk production”.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Če Rusija ne bi podpirala trenutnega diktatorja, bi ta veza razpadla v trenutku. Slovansko bratstvo gor ali dol. V bistvu je glavna motivacija večine ruskih partnerstev "Hej diktator? Mi smo tvoj edini prijatelj z vetom v VS ZN. Toleriraj nas."

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/statu...

#Russia's agriculture minister urged #Belarus dairy producers to seek markets other than Russia as domestic producers want to remove the imports. Another trade dispute in the Moscow-led #EEU

https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis...

On 26 February 2018, Russia’s agricultural and food sector regulator, Rosselkhoznadzor, said that the ban on imports of milk and dairy products from Belarus to Russia would become effective from 6 March.

...

On 22 February 2018, Rosselkhoznadzor announced the introduction of the ban on dairy exports from Belarus, allegedly triggered by product quality concerns about Belarusian dairy exports, from 26 February.

Both Belarus and Russia are members of the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU), founded in 2015, alongside with Armenia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, where trade between the member states should be unrestricted. It was established as a Russian-centred alternative to the European Union (EU) for the post-Soviet states, and is similarly based on unrestricted movement of goods, services, capital and labour. Russia is the dominant economy in the EEU, representing 87% of the combined GDP.

...

The Russian government has a long track record of using trade restrictions to penalise other post-Soviet neighbouring states for political reasons, for example the periodic ban on import of wines and fruit from Moldova (see Moldova: 31 July 2014: Doubling of Moldovan fruit export quotas to EU to partly alleviate political, economic effects of Russian ban). EEU member states are also targeted, as exemplified by regular trade disputes between Russia and Kazakhstan.

Belarus has a long history of multiple trade disputes with Russia, mostly relating to natural gas, crude oil and oil products. This is not the first time that Russia has punished Belarusian dairy producers. In May 2017, the Russian regulator applied a similar ban on a number of Belarusian dairy producers, citing non-compliance with quality and sanitary standards.

...

Thus, the Russian government clearly prioritises domestic food suppliers, even if this comes at expense of its trade allies within the EEU, such as Belarus. The Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC), the governing body of the EEU, on 23 February expressed its concern about the Russian ban. While there are occasional incidents of product quality control in regards to specific firms in Belarus and other EEU countries, the politicised use of regulatory barriers is an easy avenue for Russia to channel political pressures against its junior trade partners in the trading bloc.

...

The latest ban on Belarusian dairy products is at ostensibly driven by that concern in order to clamp down on the illicit re-exports. However, the regulatory issue also presents an opportunity for Russia to leverage the interests of its domestic food manufacturers. Just before the ban on Belarusian dairy imports to Russia was announced, the Russian milk producers association reported “an oversupply in domestic milk production”.

Vemo kako je danes v ukrajini, korupcija do lufta eu, da se ne blamira pa daje dnar..
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

EU za denar postavlja pogoje.

december 2017

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...

The European Commission has decided not to transfer the third and last 600 million euro tranche of the current 1.8 euro macro-financial assistance program to Ukraine, approved in 2015.

The European Union's decision was made because the Ukrainian government has failed to fulfill the four last conditions the European donors set for the disbursal of the low-interest loan. The authorities failed to cancel the timber trade moratorium, launch an automatic system for checking electronic asset declarations, and a system for checking the beneficial owners of companies, and adopt the law on the credit register of the National Bank of Ukraine.



Rusija nakaže keš, no questions asked, nato pa si Janukovič privošči zlate lestence.

Viktor Yanukovych @ Wikipedia

Documents recovered from Yanukovych's compound show among other expenses $800 medical treatment for fish, $14,500 spent on tablecloths, and a nearly 42 million dollar order for light fixtures.

Ker suverenost?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Assange laže.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kevincollier/a...

Twitter DMs obtained by BuzzFeed News show that in the summer of 2016, WikiLeaks was working to obtain files from Guccifer 2.0, an online hacktivist persona linked to by Russian military intelligence, the clearest evidence to date of WikiLeaks admitting its pursuit of Guccifer 2.0.

“[P]lease ‘leave,’ their conversation with them and us,” WikiLeaks asked journalist Emma Best, who was also negotiating with Guccifer 2.0 for access to what it had teased on its blog as “exclusive access” to hacked Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee files. “[W]e would appreciate it if you did not dump the docs and obviously archive.org will delete them anyway.”

...

But by the time of the DM conversation with Best, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had shifted the story of how WikiLeaks acquired those emails, giving repeated TV interviews that floated Seth Rich, a Democratic staffer who had been murdered in what police concluded was a botched robbery, as his real source.

The messages between Assange and Best, a freelance national security journalist and online archivist, are the starkest proof yet that Assange knew a likely Russian government hacker had the Democrat leaks he wanted. And they reveal the deliberate bad faith with which Assange fed the groundless claims that Rich was his source, even as he knew the documents’ origin.

...

Last month, the Daily Beast reported that either Twitter or WordPress noticed at least once that someone logged into the Guccifer 2.0 account without turning on a VPN, revealing an IP address belonging to the GRU in Moscow.

The files that Guccifer 2.0 published on its WordPress account would later appear in both of WikiLeaks's major drops during the 2016 election: the DNC Email Archive and the Podesta Emails dumps.

In between those releases, on Aug. 12, 2016, it was clear from those messages to Best that the WikiLeaks Twitter account knew that Guccifer 2.0 was the source of hacked Democratic documents.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

In kaj ima vse skupaj veze? Vsebina je važna, ne Julian. Ampak shoot the messenger je pač od nekdaj priročno orodje, če ti sporočilo ni všeč.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

EU za denar postavlja pogoje.

december 2017

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi...

The European Commission has decided not to transfer the third and last 600 million euro tranche of the current 1.8 euro macro-financial assistance program to Ukraine, approved in 2015.

The European Union's decision was made because the Ukrainian government has failed to fulfill the four last conditions the European donors set for the disbursal of the low-interest loan. The authorities failed to cancel the timber trade moratorium, launch an automatic system for checking electronic asset declarations, and a system for checking the beneficial owners of companies, and adopt the law on the credit register of the National Bank of Ukraine.



Rusija nakaže keš, no questions asked, nato pa si Janukovič privošči zlate lestence.

Viktor Yanukovych @ Wikipedia

Documents recovered from Yanukovych's compound show among other expenses $800 medical treatment for fish, $14,500 spent on tablecloths, and a nearly 42 million dollar order for light fixtures.

Ker suverenost?

Verjetno že pozabljeno,.... Ukrainian Finance Minister Oleksandr Danyliuk has announced that the European Commission has approved a new Macro-Financial Assistance (MFA) program for Ukraine

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Assange laže.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kevincollier/a...

Twitter DMs obtained by BuzzFeed News show that in the summer of 2016, WikiLeaks was working to obtain files from Guccifer 2.0, an online hacktivist persona linked to by Russian military intelligence, the clearest evidence to date of WikiLeaks admitting its pursuit of Guccifer 2.0.

“[P]lease ‘leave,’ their conversation with them and us,” WikiLeaks asked journalist Emma Best, who was also negotiating with Guccifer 2.0 for access to what it had teased on its blog as “exclusive access” to hacked Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee files. “[W]e would appreciate it if you did not dump the docs and obviously archive.org will delete them anyway.”

...

But by the time of the DM conversation with Best, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had shifted the story of how WikiLeaks acquired those emails, giving repeated TV interviews that floated Seth Rich, a Democratic staffer who had been murdered in what police concluded was a botched robbery, as his real source.

The messages between Assange and Best, a freelance national security journalist and online archivist, are the starkest proof yet that Assange knew a likely Russian government hacker had the Democrat leaks he wanted. And they reveal the deliberate bad faith with which Assange fed the groundless claims that Rich was his source, even as he knew the documents’ origin.

...

Last month, the Daily Beast reported that either Twitter or WordPress noticed at least once that someone logged into the Guccifer 2.0 account without turning on a VPN, revealing an IP address belonging to the GRU in Moscow.

The files that Guccifer 2.0 published on its WordPress account would later appear in both of WikiLeaks's major drops during the 2016 election: the DNC Email Archive and the Podesta Emails dumps.

In between those releases, on Aug. 12, 2016, it was clear from those messages to Best that the WikiLeaks Twitter account knew that Guccifer 2.0 was the source of hacked Democratic documents.

Verjetno pri 94% enoumnju, počasi itak vseeno...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenil: Mr.B ()

Vazelin ::

https://www.rt.com/news/423439-russia-s...

oligarhi so po RTjevo "high-profile businessmen"

Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

In kaj ima vse skupaj veze? Vsebina je važna, ne Julian. Ampak shoot the messenger je pač od nekdaj priročno orodje, če ti sporočilo ni všeč.


In kaka je vsebina? Navadno politično delanje klobas.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

In kaj ima vse skupaj veze? Vsebina je važna, ne Julian. Ampak shoot the messenger je pač od nekdaj priročno orodje, če ti sporočilo ni všeč.


In kaka je vsebina? Navadno politično delanje klobas.

Nobody give a shit, dokler mislijo da ne prizadene njih.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Poldi112 ::

Zakaj bi mene zanimalo sranje assange-a? Saj ni v vladi. Ni on tisti, ki je vedel, da bo štala v siriji, če se bo oboroževalo zmerne upornikec, Hillary je bila ta. Saj veš, taka vsebina. Ampak problem je assange, ne USA vlada.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Zakaj bi mene zanimalo sranje assange-a? Saj ni v vladi. Ni on tisti, ki je vedel, da bo štala v siriji, če se bo oboroževalo zmerne upornikec, Hillary je bila ta. Saj veš, taka vsebina. Ampak problem je assange, ne USA vlada.


Ker ni najbolj gladek, vsekakor pa ni butast. In mu je moralo biti precej jasno, da so DNC fajli v njegov nabiralnik prileteli iz ruske strani. Vseeno je šel namigovat, da zadaj morda stoji Seth Rich, z vsemi implikacijami. Zelo transparentno.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Nič ne rečem, ta del je precej smdrljiv. Samo zakaj bi mene motiv sploh zanimal? Če so dokumenti legit?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Zakaj bi mene zanimalo sranje assange-a? Saj ni v vladi. Ni on tisti, ki je vedel, da bo štala v siriji, če se bo oboroževalo zmerne upornikec, Hillary je bila ta. Saj veš, taka vsebina. Ampak problem je assange, ne USA vlada.


Ker ni najbolj gladek, vsekakor pa ni butast. In mu je moralo biti precej jasno, da so DNC fajli v njegov nabiralnik prileteli iz ruske strani. Vseeno je šel namigovat, da zadaj morda stoji Seth Rich, z vsemi implikacijami. Zelo transparentno.

Kapiramo,
duševne bolnike pa mi z opranimi glavami ne spremljamo...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Nič ne rečem, ta del je precej smdrljiv. Samo zakaj bi mene motiv sploh zanimal? Če so dokumenti legit?


Morda imaš svoje borce za transparentnost rad skorumpirane, da ne rečem komprimitirane?

Konstantno namiguješ na problematične dokumente. Kaj je bilo v njih tako problematičnega? DNC vodstvu je šel ne-ravno-demokrat Berni malo na živce.


Doni ima veze z rusko mafijo. Nič čudnega, da želi biti politično v dobrih odnosih. Privatno in poslovno je že.

https://theins.ru/uncategorized/98190?l...

In early February 2013, a rowdy VIP party was held in the Moscow hotel «Ukraine»: Sergei Mikhaylov, also known as Mikhas, the venerable leader of the legendary Solntsevo organized crime group (OCG), celebrated his 55th anniversary. «A whole floor was reserved for the fifty or so invitees. As far as I know, this floor was permanently kept on hold for Seva (Semyon) Mogilevich,», recalls one of party guests, Dietmar Clodo, speaking excusively for The Insider. (...) Guests were entertained by singer Emin Agalarov — the son of Araz Agalarov, Mikhas’s old drinking buddy "

...

«There were two Americans at the party, whose names I do not know. I do remember though they discussed the construction of Trump Towers in Moscow and Kazakhstan. Mikhas and Avera (Viktor Averin, the guru-mastermind of the Solntsevskaya OCG — The Insider) insisted on participating in the project.

...

Back in 1996, the FBI put Mogilevich on the top of the most-wanted list for laundering Solntsevo OCG’s funds. And, as we now know, these funds got laundered not without some help from Donald Trump.

For example, as far back in 1984, a Russian émigré — David Bogatin - bought five luxury condominiums in the Trump Tower in New York for $ 6 million, becoming neighbors with Sophia Loren and Steven Spielberg.

...

The connection between David Bogatin and Mogilevich can also be verified in open sources. For instance, in a rare interview with the BBC in 1999, Semyon Mogilevich himself admitted that he had established the US company YBM Magnex, but quickly thereafter transferred it to other shareholders. In the official register of the state of Pennsylvania, one can see the superseding director: Yakov Bogatin, brother of David Bogatin.

...

In September 2017, 26 people were detained in Marbella, Spain, as part of a sting operation in the case of the Solntsevo group; among them Alexander Grinberg and Arnold Tamm (Spivakovsky). (...) A joint photo of Mogilevich, Mikhas, Averin, and Gafur Rakhimov was found in Spivakovsky's mobile phone. The photo creation date was August 10, 2017. Gafur Rakhimov, a native of Uzbekistan, is wanted in the United States for heroin drug trafficking; and in February 2014 the US included Adam Delimkhanov, State Duma MP (and a relative of Ramzan Kadyrov in the list of Treasury sanctions, designated as a close associate of Gafur.
From 1984 to the present day, a total of 13 criminal masterminds associated with Solntsevso OCG and its partner criminal organizations, owned real estate in the Trump Tower in New York, or at other Trump buildings.

...

In previous investigations of Trump's links with Russia, Mogilevich’s name surfaced mainly in conjunction with Trump's one-time election chief of staff, Paul Manafort.

...

The Insider collated independent reports of the Italian and Austrian police, Swiss counterintelligence, the Spanish Civil Guard, the FBI investigations, as well as evidence of a former Mossad officer, against data from open sources, and found that Trump's connections with the Solntsevsko OCG and structures close to it are much wider than assumed earlier.

...

Emin Ahmadbekov, a former Azerbaijani police officer who became a political refugee in France, told The Insider: "I worked for the police for 18 years. After I filed a claim against President Aliyev at the ECHR for, I was jailed on trumped-up charges. Two crime bosses were in jail with me, and they informed me that in the early 1990s, the group run by the thief in law Hikmet were in charge of security for Agalarov and his family. In the 90's it was impossible to work without backing form the criminal world. Hikmet had a team of 500 “athletes”. As far as I understand, Agalarov allocated a certain amount of money to the group’s obschak (common pot of illegal earnings, The Insider) and in return they provided security for him, his wife, his son, and so on. Then the thieves became businessmen. "

The beauty contest «Miss Universe» in Moscow, which Agalarov organized along with Trump, also proved to be quite a unique event. Suffice it to peruse the list of the key invitees to this event.

One of them was Alimzhan Tokhtakhunov (Tayvanchik, or the Taiwanese), who at that time was on FBI’s top-ten most wanted list. In 2011—2013, the FBI bugged the headquarters of the so-called Nahmad-Taiwanchik-Trincher organization at the Trump Tower, located three floors below the penthouse of Donald Trump. The organization was suspected of laundering money by organizing illegal gambling.


...

Another honorary guest invited by Agalarov was the President’s aide and administration chief, Vladimir Kozhin. A lot can be written about him, but suffice it to mention that his signature can be found under the document authorizing construction of the so-called «Putin's Palace» — the $1 billion presidential residence on Cape Idokopas in the Black sea, while the state formally belonged to a corporation whose CEO turned out to be Jurg Wisman, known as the lawyer of the Tambov OCG. By a cosmic coincidence, the leader of this OCG — Gennady Petrov — turned out to be Kozhin's neighbor in an elite residence on the Kamenniy Island in St. Petersburg.

It was also curious that the gala dinner after the «Miss Universe» contest was thrown by Agalarov together with Sberbank’s CEO Herman Gref. In the phone calls intercepted by the Spanish investigation in the case of Gennady Petrov, Gref's name pops up repeatedly. For example, in the read-out of one intercepted call Anton Petrov's son asks his father to talk with (Vladislav) Reznik, because «Mikhas creates for us problems in this field» (setting up jewelry stores — The Insider), «with the help of Herman». Sergei Dozhev, one of the detainees in the Spanish case focusing on the Solntsevo OCG in 2017, using his right of last word during interrogation, stated that the Spanish investigators did not understand who the true mafia in Russia is. The true mafia were not those prosecuted in the case, he said, but «much more important» people — such as Igor Sechin and Herman Gref.

...

The CEO of the company Trans Commodities Sam Kislin (born in 1935 in Odessa) started off in business with a single electronics store in Manhattan. The store was a favorite hangout for Soviet diplomats, KGB agents and members of the Politburo. In 1976, Kislin and his partner, another émigré from the USSR, Tamir Sapir (born Teimuraza Sepiashvili in a family of Georgian Jews), managed to sell 200 TV sets to Trump Commodore Hotel on 30-day credit terms. In an interview Sam Kislin praised Trump for paying up on time. The joint business did not stop at the TV sets. Sapir teamed up with two other Jewish Soviet immigrants, Felix Sater and Tevfik Arif, and invested in the Trump SoHo project, which included a hotel and a residential complex in Manhattan. Soon, Trump entered into a partnership with the development company Bayrock-Sapir, which was headed by the same trio.

All these four Jewish émigrés from the USSR — Kislin, Sater, Sapir and Arif — were directly or indirectly associated with organized crime.

 Tamir Sapir (center)

Tamir Sapir (center)



...

A colleague of Mogilevich, German citizen Dietmar Clodo (in his youth a former Red Army Faction militant who spent 8.5 years in a Hungarian prison for preparing a bomb) confirmed to The Insider: "Felix Sauter from Bayrock counted Seva (Semyon) Mogilevich, Mikhas and Yaponchik among his friends. Sater served as shamash to Seva when he resided in the US (Shamash is a person responsible for the administrative and economic activities of the synagogue — The Insider).

...

„Our boy [Trump] can become president of the US, we can make it happen, I'll sell this idea to Putin’s whole team of Putin,“ Sater wrote to Donald Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen in November 2015. Sater also advised Cohen that the Trump Tower project would help improve relations between countries.

Shortly thereafter, Trump lawyer Michael Cohen wrote a letter to Dmitry Peskov, the Russian president's press secretary, asking him to support the project. Peskov later claimed that he received the letter, but never reacted to it.

...

Meanwhile, while special prosecutor Mueller is investigating to what extent Sater was really able to realize his plans, the FBI became interested in another storyline about Russian interference in the elections – once again, as The Insider found out, connected with the criminal mastermind with Odessa roots.

In February, it became known that the FBI was investigating whether funds of the National Rifle Association, of which the deputy chairman of the Bank of Russia Alexander Torshin is a member, were illegally funneled to finance Trump's election campaign.

...

Spanish law enforcement agencies consider Torshin a member of the Tagan OCG. (...) Spanish media reported on the intentions of the prosecutors to arrest Torshin himself — based on the data of Romanov’s telephone wiretaps — but Torshin stopped visiting the island. (...) Dvoskin (birthname Slusker) is a banker who was arrested in Monaco at the request of the FBI in 2008. In the 1970s he emigrated from Odessa to the United States with his parents. Spent several prison terms for extortion, and met Yaponchik in jail. He was detained with a fake passport and deported from the United States, whereupon he settled back in Russia (he himself claimed that he „left the US voluntarily“). Now he is engaged in banking in Crimea.

It should be noted that the Jewish-Soviet émigré group consisting of Kislin and the people of Mogilevich and Yaponchik, made proactive attempts to participate in the political life of the United States for quite some time. So, for example, Sam Kislin in 1998 helped Giuliani organize a fundraising drive that brought $ 2.1 million to help him participate in Senate elections. At the same time, in 1996 and 1997, Mogilevich’s company YBM Magnex made donations to the National Republican Committee. (...) But back to the TV salesman Tamir Sapir. His role in Trump’s entanglement with Russian criminal circles is less known, but no less significant.

In 2007, Trump organized the wedding of the daughter of Tamir Sapir and Rotem Rosen, CEO of the American branch of the „Africa-Israel“, the company owned by Lev Leviev. The wedding was held at Trump's residence in Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach.

...

Lev Leviev (a.k.a Levayev) is referred to in the above-mentioned Austrian police dossier as „the man of Mikhail Chorny“ (of the Izmailovo OCG). At the same time, Leviev appears as a party to a transaction with Nordex, a company owned by Grigory Luchansky (Luchansky is another well-known Soviet-Jewish emigrant who was accused of laundering money on a large scale in several countries at once). In turn, the Spanish Civil Guard believes that Solntsevo OCG cooperates with Mikhail Chernoy, as described in the report on Solntsevo OCG (2016) in the Arnold Tamm case. But what is especially interesting is that Leviev is a business partner of Prevezon Holdings (owned by Denis Katsyv, who was accused of money laundering in the Magnitsky case). This company was represented by lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya at a meeting with Kushner and the leadership of Trump's election staff, where she offered „dirt on Hillary Clinton“ and asked for help in repealing the Magnitsky law.

...

Why did Mogilevich and the Solntsevo OCG end up so closely associated with Trump? In part this is a natural connection, since the development market in New York has always been closely connected with the mafia, and Trump never tried to actively avoid such connections. But, perhaps, it's not just that. Mogilevich was repeatedly used by the Kremlin for special assignments on delicate foreign policy issues.

For example, The Insider already wrote how Mogilevich's video-kompromat on Hungary's president Viktor Orban helped the Kremlin turn him from a fighter against Russia into Putin's loyal ally
(for more on this, read in The Suitcase from Solntsevo: Does Putin have a video kompromat on the leader of Hungary?) ).

...

Questions about relations with the state, or rather, with Russian / Soviet special services, arise also about the „Odessa gentlemen“ who settled in the United States. The report of the Swiss counterintelligence „On Cooperation of the FSB and OCG“ from 2007 states that Jewish emigrants from the USSR cooperated not only with crime groups, but also with the KGB. Emigration began in the 1970s, and Mogilevich is only one of the well-known examples, quoted in the report. The special service assumes that it was a systemic practice of using Russian organized crime to helping move funds to the West, thus funneling out state property. Some of the many Russians who emigrated in the 1970’s Jewish aliyah, were KGB officers, the authors of the report believe.

...

The same applies to Araz Agalarov. In 1989, Araz Agalarov founded the „Soviet-American“ enterprise Crocus International. (...) However, it was hardly possible for just any Soviet citizen to create a joint venture in the United States in 1989. As Yuri Shvets, ex-KGB spy, recently told The Insider, «In 1989, we were obligated to create joint ventures with other countries.

...

The modus operandi in which the Kremlin accomplishes its tasks outside Russia through people with a criminal record is not uncommon. For example, funding for the actions of the «Wagner private army» in Syria, as well as the activities of the «Kremlin trolls,» was entrusted to Yevgeny Prigozhin, who, back in Soviet times, spent nine years in prison for robbery as part of an organized group, as well as for fraud and involvement of minors in prostitution. Financing of the 2014 invasion operation in Ukraine, in turn, was entrusted to Konstantin Malofeev, who at that time was on the receiving end in the criminal case for embezzling a $ 225 million loan from VTB. After his participation in the Ukrainian operation, the case against Malofeev was closed. The fact that Mogilevich, Tokhtakhunov, Gennady Petrov and other masterminds of the underworld, while being wanted in the US and Europe, operate unhindered in Russia, gives credence to the hypothesis of their cooperation with the state.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Nič ne rečem, ta del je precej smdrljiv. Samo zakaj bi mene motiv sploh zanimal? Če so dokumenti legit?


Morda imaš svoje borce za transparentnost rad skorumpirane, da ne rečem komprimitirane?

Konstantno namiguješ na problematične dokumente. Kaj je bilo v njih tako problematičnega? DNC vodstvu je šel ne-ravno-demokrat Berni malo na živce.


Doni ima veze z rusko mafijo. Nič čudnega, da želi biti politično v dobrih odnosih. Privatno in poslovno je že.

https://theins.ru/uncategorized/98190?l...

In early February 2013, a rowdy VIP party was held in the Moscow hotel «Ukraine»: Sergei Mikhaylov, also known as Mikhas, the venerable leader of the legendary Solntsevo organized crime group (OCG), celebrated his 55th anniversary. «A whole floor was reserved for the fifty or so invitees. As far as I know, this floor was permanently kept on hold for Seva (Semyon) Mogilevich,», recalls one of party guests, Dietmar Clodo, speaking excusively for The Insider. (...) Guests were entertained by singer Emin Agalarov — the son of Araz Agalarov, Mikhas’s old drinking buddy "

...

«There were two Americans at the party, whose names I do not know. I do remember though they discussed the construction of Trump Towers in Moscow and Kazakhstan. Mikhas and Avera (Viktor Averin, the guru-mastermind of the Solntsevskaya OCG — The Insider) insisted on participating in the project.

...

Back in 1996, the FBI put Mogilevich on the top of the most-wanted list for laundering Solntsevo OCG’s funds. And, as we now know, these funds got laundered not without some help from Donald Trump.

For example, as far back in 1984, a Russian émigré — David Bogatin - bought five luxury condominiums in the Trump Tower in New York for $ 6 million, becoming neighbors with Sophia Loren and Steven Spielberg.

...

The connection between David Bogatin and Mogilevich can also be verified in open sources. For instance, in a rare interview with the BBC in 1999, Semyon Mogilevich himself admitted that he had established the US company YBM Magnex, but quickly thereafter transferred it to other shareholders. In the official register of the state of Pennsylvania, one can see the superseding director: Yakov Bogatin, brother of David Bogatin.

...

In September 2017, 26 people were detained in Marbella, Spain, as part of a sting operation in the case of the Solntsevo group; among them Alexander Grinberg and Arnold Tamm (Spivakovsky). (...) A joint photo of Mogilevich, Mikhas, Averin, and Gafur Rakhimov was found in Spivakovsky's mobile phone. The photo creation date was August 10, 2017. Gafur Rakhimov, a native of Uzbekistan, is wanted in the United States for heroin drug trafficking; and in February 2014 the US included Adam Delimkhanov, State Duma MP (and a relative of Ramzan Kadyrov in the list of Treasury sanctions, designated as a close associate of Gafur.
From 1984 to the present day, a total of 13 criminal masterminds associated with Solntsevso OCG and its partner criminal organizations, owned real estate in the Trump Tower in New York, or at other Trump buildings.

...

In previous investigations of Trump's links with Russia, Mogilevich’s name surfaced mainly in conjunction with Trump's one-time election chief of staff, Paul Manafort.

...

The Insider collated independent reports of the Italian and Austrian police, Swiss counterintelligence, the Spanish Civil Guard, the FBI investigations, as well as evidence of a former Mossad officer, against data from open sources, and found that Trump's connections with the Solntsevsko OCG and structures close to it are much wider than assumed earlier.

...

Emin Ahmadbekov, a former Azerbaijani police officer who became a political refugee in France, told The Insider: "I worked for the police for 18 years. After I filed a claim against President Aliyev at the ECHR for, I was jailed on trumped-up charges. Two crime bosses were in jail with me, and they informed me that in the early 1990s, the group run by the thief in law Hikmet were in charge of security for Agalarov and his family. In the 90's it was impossible to work without backing form the criminal world. Hikmet had a team of 500 “athletes”. As far as I understand, Agalarov allocated a certain amount of money to the group’s obschak (common pot of illegal earnings, The Insider) and in return they provided security for him, his wife, his son, and so on. Then the thieves became businessmen. "

The beauty contest «Miss Universe» in Moscow, which Agalarov organized along with Trump, also proved to be quite a unique event. Suffice it to peruse the list of the key invitees to this event.

One of them was Alimzhan Tokhtakhunov (Tayvanchik, or the Taiwanese), who at that time was on FBI’s top-ten most wanted list. In 2011—2013, the FBI bugged the headquarters of the so-called Nahmad-Taiwanchik-Trincher organization at the Trump Tower, located three floors below the penthouse of Donald Trump. The organization was suspected of laundering money by organizing illegal gambling.


...

Another honorary guest invited by Agalarov was the President’s aide and administration chief, Vladimir Kozhin. A lot can be written about him, but suffice it to mention that his signature can be found under the document authorizing construction of the so-called «Putin's Palace» — the $1 billion presidential residence on Cape Idokopas in the Black sea, while the state formally belonged to a corporation whose CEO turned out to be Jurg Wisman, known as the lawyer of the Tambov OCG. By a cosmic coincidence, the leader of this OCG — Gennady Petrov — turned out to be Kozhin's neighbor in an elite residence on the Kamenniy Island in St. Petersburg.

It was also curious that the gala dinner after the «Miss Universe» contest was thrown by Agalarov together with Sberbank’s CEO Herman Gref. In the phone calls intercepted by the Spanish investigation in the case of Gennady Petrov, Gref's name pops up repeatedly. For example, in the read-out of one intercepted call Anton Petrov's son asks his father to talk with (Vladislav) Reznik, because «Mikhas creates for us problems in this field» (setting up jewelry stores — The Insider), «with the help of Herman». Sergei Dozhev, one of the detainees in the Spanish case focusing on the Solntsevo OCG in 2017, using his right of last word during interrogation, stated that the Spanish investigators did not understand who the true mafia in Russia is. The true mafia were not those prosecuted in the case, he said, but «much more important» people — such as Igor Sechin and Herman Gref.

...

The CEO of the company Trans Commodities Sam Kislin (born in 1935 in Odessa) started off in business with a single electronics store in Manhattan. The store was a favorite hangout for Soviet diplomats, KGB agents and members of the Politburo. In 1976, Kislin and his partner, another émigré from the USSR, Tamir Sapir (born Teimuraza Sepiashvili in a family of Georgian Jews), managed to sell 200 TV sets to Trump Commodore Hotel on 30-day credit terms. In an interview Sam Kislin praised Trump for paying up on time. The joint business did not stop at the TV sets. Sapir teamed up with two other Jewish Soviet immigrants, Felix Sater and Tevfik Arif, and invested in the Trump SoHo project, which included a hotel and a residential complex in Manhattan. Soon, Trump entered into a partnership with the development company Bayrock-Sapir, which was headed by the same trio.

All these four Jewish émigrés from the USSR — Kislin, Sater, Sapir and Arif — were directly or indirectly associated with organized crime.

 Tamir Sapir (center)

Tamir Sapir (center)



...

A colleague of Mogilevich, German citizen Dietmar Clodo (in his youth a former Red Army Faction militant who spent 8.5 years in a Hungarian prison for preparing a bomb) confirmed to The Insider: "Felix Sauter from Bayrock counted Seva (Semyon) Mogilevich, Mikhas and Yaponchik among his friends. Sater served as shamash to Seva when he resided in the US (Shamash is a person responsible for the administrative and economic activities of the synagogue — The Insider).

...

„Our boy [Trump] can become president of the US, we can make it happen, I'll sell this idea to Putin’s whole team of Putin,“ Sater wrote to Donald Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen in November 2015. Sater also advised Cohen that the Trump Tower project would help improve relations between countries.

Shortly thereafter, Trump lawyer Michael Cohen wrote a letter to Dmitry Peskov, the Russian president's press secretary, asking him to support the project. Peskov later claimed that he received the letter, but never reacted to it.

...

Meanwhile, while special prosecutor Mueller is investigating to what extent Sater was really able to realize his plans, the FBI became interested in another storyline about Russian interference in the elections – once again, as The Insider found out, connected with the criminal mastermind with Odessa roots.

In February, it became known that the FBI was investigating whether funds of the National Rifle Association, of which the deputy chairman of the Bank of Russia Alexander Torshin is a member, were illegally funneled to finance Trump's election campaign.

...

Spanish law enforcement agencies consider Torshin a member of the Tagan OCG. (...) Spanish media reported on the intentions of the prosecutors to arrest Torshin himself — based on the data of Romanov’s telephone wiretaps — but Torshin stopped visiting the island. (...) Dvoskin (birthname Slusker) is a banker who was arrested in Monaco at the request of the FBI in 2008. In the 1970s he emigrated from Odessa to the United States with his parents. Spent several prison terms for extortion, and met Yaponchik in jail. He was detained with a fake passport and deported from the United States, whereupon he settled back in Russia (he himself claimed that he „left the US voluntarily“). Now he is engaged in banking in Crimea.

It should be noted that the Jewish-Soviet émigré group consisting of Kislin and the people of Mogilevich and Yaponchik, made proactive attempts to participate in the political life of the United States for quite some time. So, for example, Sam Kislin in 1998 helped Giuliani organize a fundraising drive that brought $ 2.1 million to help him participate in Senate elections. At the same time, in 1996 and 1997, Mogilevich’s company YBM Magnex made donations to the National Republican Committee. (...) But back to the TV salesman Tamir Sapir. His role in Trump’s entanglement with Russian criminal circles is less known, but no less significant.

In 2007, Trump organized the wedding of the daughter of Tamir Sapir and Rotem Rosen, CEO of the American branch of the „Africa-Israel“, the company owned by Lev Leviev. The wedding was held at Trump's residence in Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach.

...

Lev Leviev (a.k.a Levayev) is referred to in the above-mentioned Austrian police dossier as „the man of Mikhail Chorny“ (of the Izmailovo OCG). At the same time, Leviev appears as a party to a transaction with Nordex, a company owned by Grigory Luchansky (Luchansky is another well-known Soviet-Jewish emigrant who was accused of laundering money on a large scale in several countries at once). In turn, the Spanish Civil Guard believes that Solntsevo OCG cooperates with Mikhail Chernoy, as described in the report on Solntsevo OCG (2016) in the Arnold Tamm case. But what is especially interesting is that Leviev is a business partner of Prevezon Holdings (owned by Denis Katsyv, who was accused of money laundering in the Magnitsky case). This company was represented by lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya at a meeting with Kushner and the leadership of Trump's election staff, where she offered „dirt on Hillary Clinton“ and asked for help in repealing the Magnitsky law.

...

Why did Mogilevich and the Solntsevo OCG end up so closely associated with Trump? In part this is a natural connection, since the development market in New York has always been closely connected with the mafia, and Trump never tried to actively avoid such connections. But, perhaps, it's not just that. Mogilevich was repeatedly used by the Kremlin for special assignments on delicate foreign policy issues.

For example, The Insider already wrote how Mogilevich's video-kompromat on Hungary's president Viktor Orban helped the Kremlin turn him from a fighter against Russia into Putin's loyal ally
(for more on this, read in The Suitcase from Solntsevo: Does Putin have a video kompromat on the leader of Hungary?) ).

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Questions about relations with the state, or rather, with Russian / Soviet special services, arise also about the „Odessa gentlemen“ who settled in the United States. The report of the Swiss counterintelligence „On Cooperation of the FSB and OCG“ from 2007 states that Jewish emigrants from the USSR cooperated not only with crime groups, but also with the KGB. Emigration began in the 1970s, and Mogilevich is only one of the well-known examples, quoted in the report. The special service assumes that it was a systemic practice of using Russian organized crime to helping move funds to the West, thus funneling out state property. Some of the many Russians who emigrated in the 1970’s Jewish aliyah, were KGB officers, the authors of the report believe.

...

The same applies to Araz Agalarov. In 1989, Araz Agalarov founded the „Soviet-American“ enterprise Crocus International. (...) However, it was hardly possible for just any Soviet citizen to create a joint venture in the United States in 1989. As Yuri Shvets, ex-KGB spy, recently told The Insider, «In 1989, we were obligated to create joint ventures with other countries.

...

The modus operandi in which the Kremlin accomplishes its tasks outside Russia through people with a criminal record is not uncommon. For example, funding for the actions of the «Wagner private army» in Syria, as well as the activities of the «Kremlin trolls,» was entrusted to Yevgeny Prigozhin, who, back in Soviet times, spent nine years in prison for robbery as part of an organized group, as well as for fraud and involvement of minors in prostitution. Financing of the 2014 invasion operation in Ukraine, in turn, was entrusted to Konstantin Malofeev, who at that time was on the receiving end in the criminal case for embezzling a $ 225 million loan from VTB. After his participation in the Ukrainian operation, the case against Malofeev was closed. The fact that Mogilevich, Tokhtakhunov, Gennady Petrov and other masterminds of the underworld, while being wanted in the US and Europe, operate unhindered in Russia, gives credence to the hypothesis of their cooperation with the state.

Nerazumnem,
nek multimilijonar je rezerviral eno nadstropje v hotelu v neki tretjerazredni državi, kjer si recimo s petimi čuki bogataš, folk se je imel fajn, pa to... Potem pa Trumpi na kurbe pa to.. Kaj misliš da so v Sloveniji tui sami svetniki, ali misliš da se posli sklepajo tako, na soočenju pred javnostjo ? Morda ja ne misliš da so sami svetniki ? No boš ti že vedel.. Ker v tem tekstu je business as usual.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Povej s kom se družiš in povem ti kdo si. Trump se že desetletja druži in posluje z rusko mafijo, l. 1987 je bil na povabilo SZ v Moskvi, obseden je s Putinom...

Saj samo po sebi tole zgoraj ni za Trumpa nič nelegalnega, ampak če javno nedostopne informacije npr. pokažejo na aktivno sodelovanje pri pranju denarja zadeva hitro postane precej bolj vroča. Dodajmo še, da je Trump težek opravljivec in bi bilo zanimivo vedet o čem teče debata z njegovimi prijatelji v ruski mafiji. Verjetno nanese beseda tudi na Putko, kar bi znalo pojasniti del obsedenosti.

Znotraj teme pa je vse skupaj težka obsodba ruskega režima. Mafijokracija.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Povej s kom se družiš in povem ti kdo si. Trump se že desetletja druži in posluje z rusko mafijo, l. 1987 je bil na povabilo SZ v Moskvi, obseden je s Putinom...

Saj samo po sebi tole zgoraj ni za Trumpa nič nelegalnega, ampak če javno nedostopne informacije npr. pokažejo na aktivno sodelovanje pri pranju denarja zadeva hitro postane precej bolj vroča. Dodajmo še, da je Trump težek opravljivec in bi bilo zanimivo vedet o čem teče debata z njegovimi prijatelji v ruski mafiji. Verjetno nanese beseda tudi na Putko, kar bi znalo pojasniti del obsedenosti.

Znotraj teme pa je vse skupaj težka obsodba ruskega režima. Mafijokracija.

Enostavno...
escape goat , kot del večjega načrta.
Al hočeš reči da večino poasl naredi z rusijo ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Al hočeš reči da večino poasl naredi z rusijo ?


Ne vem, če večino, vsekakor pa precej. Zahodni bogataši v veliki meri ne trzajo na trump-style kič in ne potrebujejo uslug pranja denarja.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-t...

"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Al hočeš reči da večino poasl naredi z rusijo ?


Ne vem, če večino, vsekakor pa precej. Zahodni bogataši v veliki meri ne trzajo na trump-style kič in ne potrebujejo uslug pranja denarja.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-t...

"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

A toje ta krovni dokaz. Kaj boš šele rekel o rodmanu.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Nisem tožilec in ti nisi porota. Samo spremljamo zadevo. In definitivno je za moj okus preveč ruske mafije.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Nisem tožilec in ti nisi porota. Samo spremljamo zadevo. In definitivno je za moj okus preveč ruske mafije.

Verjetno nisi gledela McMafia. Konec je, no tako kot tvoji občutki.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/statu...

As for that much-sensationalized "World War III" talking point: when Kremlin officials sell their chateaus, shutter their bank accounts and yank their progeny from boarding schools in the West, then you should worry.

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/statu...

From a very sharp Russian analyst:


Lahko da čenče:

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/983...

If French fighter jets head for #SoudaBay and #Akrotiri, then the allied air campaign won't stop until #Assad is gone.

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/983...

#Italy's army has begun to fly its most combat-hardened brigade to #Lebanon... for a "planned #UN deployment", but now suddenly they are adding brand new tank destroyers and heavy IFVs.

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/9...

One of the more ludicrous comparisons being pushed by Russian analysts at the moment: that the US risks a "new Cuban Missile Crisis" in Syria. Russia would love to be the 1962 USSR, 2nd most powerful country w/booming economy. Instead, declining power w/economy the size of Italy.

Brief history of Russian outrage/responses in Syria:
-Oct 2015: Turkey shoots down jet; "stab in the back"; sanctions, no mil action
-Apr 2017: US strikes SY airbase; no RU action
-Feb 2018: 100+ RU mercenaries killed by US; no RU action.

But they're going to launch nukes now.
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Pac-Man ::

Medtem v Cirkuslandiji

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews

#Russia's state TV disingenuously claims that Russia, Iran and Turkey are seeking peace in Syria, while the U.S. is just after money.
//Rusija hoče biti poplačana v % od nafte.

#Russia's state TV: Top propagandist Dmitry Kiselyov falsely claims Trump told the heads of the Baltic states that they're stupid. #RussiaLies
Top Kremlin propagandist, Dmitry Kiselyov, says the President of Lithuania, Dalia Grybauskaitė, is "unmarried and happy to be pressured by Trump." In the written transcript, the word "unmarried" is omitted. Even the Russians know how chauvinistic that sounds.

Russian state TV: Top Kremlin propagandist says Trump speaks about himself in the 3rd person "like a child whose personality is yet to form." He quotes statement re: being tough on Russia & questions whether Trump is ready to be held accountable for the image he tries to project.

Top Kremlin propagandist says that Trump is trying to look tough on Russia, because he will soon be questioned by Mueller and is still under suspicion of colluding with the Kremlin. Kiselyov says this constrains Trump unlike any other American President.

Russian MP Zhirinovsky, who infamously celebrated Trump's election with champagne, says Trump and Putin should personally meet without aides or interpreters, then Putin should threaten to destroy half of the U.S. with nukes and ask: "What do you want, Donny?"
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
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Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/fa_burkhardt/status...

Russian ambassador Nechaev on German TV: "At first, we did not call the Green Men by their real name, for security reasons. Later, we confirmed ourselves that these were Russian soldiers. It wasn't a lie, we just did not admit it publicly." #Crimea
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

windigo ::

Izvedeli smo končno, kaj sestavlja "intelligence", ki povezuje napade na Skripala z državo Rusijo.

Vsebina je SMS sporočilo "paket je bil dostavljen", ki ga je nekdo iz Sirije dan pred zastrupitvijo poslal nekomu v Rusiji. Ne vedo točno kdo, niti točno komu. Na isto številko je bilo poslano še sporočilo, da je dvema posameznikoma uspel izstop.

To je to.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/94...

Pac-Man ::

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-...

Shares of Russian aluminum giant United Company Rusal Plc (0486.HK) plunged as much as 41.8 percent on Monday as investors bailed on the stock after it was included in a new list of U.S. sanctions targeting Russian companies and their owners.

...

Washington imposed sanctions on Friday on seven Russian oligarchs, including Rusal’s former President Oleg Deripaska, 12 companies they own or control, as well as 17 senior Russian government officials. The Russian individuals and companies were targeted for profiting from a Russian state engaged in “malign activities” around the world.

...

The company on Friday said that it regretted its inclusion on the new U.S. sanctions list, adding that its advisors were studying the situation.

“The company’s initial assessment is that it is highly likely that the impact may be materially adverse to the business and prospects of the group,” the company said in a filing to the Hong Kong bourse on Monday. It said further evaluations were being carried out to assess the impact of the sanctions.

Rusal assesses that the sanctions may result in technical defaults in relation to certain credit obligations of the group, and the company is evaluating the impact of such technical defaults on its financial position.

A Hong Kong-based equity sales director said on Monday the stock prices are under pressure because the sanctions require investors subject to U.S. jurisdiction to ditch the stocks within a month.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Smrekar1 ::

windigo je izjavil:

Izvedeli smo končno, kaj sestavlja "intelligence", ki povezuje napade na Skripala z državo Rusijo.

Vsebina je SMS sporočilo "paket je bil dostavljen", ki ga je nekdo iz Sirije dan pred zastrupitvijo poslal nekomu v Rusiji. Ne vedo točno kdo, niti točno komu. Na isto številko je bilo poslano še sporočilo, da je dvema posameznikoma uspel izstop.

To je to.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/94...


They are understood to have formed “just one part” of the intelligence packet which later allowed Prime Minister Theresa May to state it was “highly likely” that Russia was behind the attacks

Fail level: Rusofil - ko te še lasten vir demantira.

windigo ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

They are understood to have formed “just one part” of the intelligence packet which later allowed Prime Minister Theresa May to state it was “highly likely” that Russia was behind the attacks

Fail level: Rusofil - ko te še lasten vir demantira.

Aha, tisti del, ki ga niso hoteli pokazati niti Corbynu in ko je potem izjavil, da mu dokazi ne delujejo povsem prepričljivo, bil v trenutku ozmerjan z vseh strani, med drugim s tebi ljubim "Useful Idiot" s strani v tej zadevi dokazanega lažnivca B. Johnsona (pri čemer pa to laganje sploh ni problem).

Smrekar1 ::

windigo je izjavil:


Aha, tisti del, ki ga niso hoteli pokazati niti Corbynu in ko je potem izjavil, da mu dokazi ne delujejo povsem prepričljivo, bil v trenutku ozmerjan z vseh strani, med drugim s tebi ljubim "Useful Idiot" s strani v tej zadevi dokazanega lažnivca B. Johnsona (pri čemer pa to laganje sploh ni problem).


Obnašanje B.J. ti o Corbynu ne pove ničesar. Če je B.J. glupi lažnivec (kar seveda je) je Corbyn še vedno lahko tako uporaben idiot kot tudi denimo antisemit (je oboje).

windigo ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Obnašanje B.J. ti o Corbynu ne pove ničesar. Če je B.J. glupi lažnivec (kar seveda je) je Corbyn še vedno lahko tako uporaben idiot kot tudi denimo antisemit (je oboje).

Kdo je po tvojem bolj verodostojen, nekdo ki nima dostopa do vseh informacij in je menda tudi antisemit, ali nekdo, ki pa ima dostop do teh informacij, se ga je pa že v prav tej isti temi ujelo pri laganju?

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Smrekar1 ::

windigo je izjavil:


Kdo je po tvojem bolj verodostojen, nekdo ki nima dostopa do vseh informacij in je menda tudi antisemit, ali nekdo, ki pa ima dostop do teh informacij, se ga je pa že v prav tej isti temi ujelo pri laganju?


Nobeden od njiju ni prav zelo verodostojen in ga ne moremo jemati resno. To seveda ne pomeni, da je resnica nujno drugačna od njunih trditev, ampak da o resnici ne moremo soditi na podlagi njunih trditev.

O resnici lahko seveda sodimo na podlagi vseh ostalih podatkov. Zgovoren je denimo podatek, da so Rusi do sedaj obelodanili že 24 različnih teorij kaj se je zgodilo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu...

Če ti je kaj znanega o kriminalističnih postopkih veš, da je to že zelo močan indic, da smo našli pravega. Gre namreč za povsem amaterski način preusmerjanja pozornosti drugam.

Pac-Man ::

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles...

The giant aluminum producer owned by Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska plunged 50 percent in Hong Kong trading after U.S. sanctions cast doubt on the future of the company’s banking and trading relationships.

Prices of the metal, vital for the aircraft manufacturing and the auto industries, jumped as traders protected themselves against the chance United Co. Rusal -- the biggest aluminum maker outside China -- will be prevented from supplying the global commodity market.

...

The sanctions -- designed to make it almost impossible Deripaska’s empire to do business in U.S. dollars -- pose a grave threat to an oligarch who’s been seen as one of President Vladimir Putin’s closest allies.
The stock fell 50 percent to HK$2.32 on Monday, according to pricing from the Hong Kong Exchanges & Clearing Ltd. website. Shares dropped about 47 percent in Moscow before recovering about half the drop.

Aluminum prices jumped as much as 4 percent to $2,124 a metric ton on the London Metal Exchange, extending a 1.6 percent gain in the previous session.

The sanctions may result in technical defaults on some credit obligations and be “materially adverse to the business and prospects of the group,” Rusal said in a statement Monday, adding its annual report may also be delayed.

...

The Foreign Ministry is working on a response, spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on a state television channel, according to state news agency Tass. “We have a whole list of possible measures that are being studied.”


Tista trumpova, da je "hardest on Russia" zdaj celo drži.
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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
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windigo ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Nobeden od njiju ni prav zelo verodostojen in ga ne moremo jemati resno. To seveda ne pomeni, da je resnica nujno drugačna od njunih trditev, ampak da o resnici ne moremo soditi na podlagi njunih trditev.

O resnici lahko seveda sodimo na podlagi vseh ostalih podatkov. Zgovoren je denimo podatek, da so Rusi do sedaj obelodanili že 24 različnih teorij kaj se je zgodilo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu...

O resnici v tem primeru torej ne moreva soditi, nimava prav nobenih podatkov, samo izjave. Govoriva lahko samo o verodostojnosti. Te pa tudi ni. Angležem se je tako mudilo izvesti Humphreya Applebya, da so zraven naredili cel PR blunder, ki ga lahko Rusi krasno izkoriščajo.

Seveda je treba dodati, da je ruska kredibilnost tukaj še za stopnjo nižja.

Kar se WP tiće, ni od 24. omenjenih ruskih preusmeritev, našteta niti ena, razen da Rusi kar precej sigurni, da Angleži dokazov ne morejo zbrati (in jih zato glasno zahtevajo) in da se nočejo braniti kot krivec.

Smrekar1 ::

windigo je izjavil:


O resnici v tem primeru torej ne moreva soditi, nimava prav nobenih podatkov, samo izjave.


Imava več kot dovolj podatkov, da zaključiva, da je Rusija edini možni osumljenec.

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/4/5/1717...

Eni žal še vedno nasedajo moderni inačici Göbblesa.

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Poldi112 ::

No, zate nihče ne dvomi, da imaš dovolj dokazov, glede na to, da jih sploh ne rabiš.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

windigo ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

windigo je izjavil:


O resnici v tem primeru torej ne moreva soditi, nimava prav nobenih podatkov, samo izjave.


Imava več kot dovolj podatkov, da zaključiva, da je Rusija edini možni osumljenec.

Ok. Name the facts. Cite the sources. Don't wiggle.

Cervantes ::

Tako v primeru Skripal kot tudi ob tem zadnjem "zaplinjevanju", bi se jaz - pa tudi vsak pravnik - najprej vprašal:

CUI BONO?

8-)

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c3p0 ::

Smo pa vsaj izvedeli, da novičok ni noben bav-bav. BP preživiš in si popolnoma opomoreš. Tudi policaji, ki so stali neposredno blizu kljuke, posledic niso niti čutili.

Pac-Man ::

Cervantes je izjavil:

Tako v primeru Skripal kot tudi ob tem zadnjem "zaplinjevanju", bi se jaz - pa tudi vsak pravnik - najprej vprašal:

CUI BONO?

8-)


Ti in pravniki se sprašujte, diplomati in politiki reagirajo.

c3p0 je izjavil:

Smo pa vsaj izvedeli, da novičok ni noben bav-bav. BP preživiš in si popolnoma opomoreš. Tudi policaji, ki so stali neposredno blizu kljuke, posledic niso niti čutili.


Par asteriksov. V neznani dozi, pri dermalni "okužbi" in ob takojšnji medicinski podpori.

In ni nujno, da ne bo dolgotrajnih posledic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/...

Before former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia collapsed on a park bench in Salisbury on 4 March, the only other person confirmed to suffer the effects of novichok was a young Soviet chemical weapons scientist.

“Circles appeared before my eyes: red and orange. A ringing in my ears, I caught my breath. And a sense of fear: like something was about to happen,” Andrei Zheleznyakov told the now-defunct newspaper Novoye Vremya, describing the 1987 weapons lab incident that exposed him to a nerve agent that would eventually kill him. “I sat down on a chair and told the guys: ‘It’s got me.’”

By 1992, when the interview was published, the nerve agent had gutted Zheleznyakov’s central nervous system. Less than a year later he was dead, after battling cirrhosis, toxic hepatitis, nerve damage and epilepsy.
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Pac-Man ::

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/50-rich...

Russia’s 50 richest businessmen have reportedly lost close to $12 billion in the days after the United States imposed a new wave of sanctions against individuals and companies close to the Kremlin.

...

According to the Forbes magazine’s real-time ranking, metals tycoon Vladimir Potanin was the biggest total-value loser with $1.5 billion wiped out. Potanin, part-owner of Norilsk Nickel, was not targeted by the U.S. Treasury Department in its latest wave of sanctions.

Fellow steel tycoon Oleg Deripaska, who has stakes in eight of the 15 entities hit with sanctions, followed with an estimated $1.3 billion erased from his $6.7 billion net worth. Deripaska led the list of Russians to have lost after the sanctions in percentage terms, having almost a quarter of his fortune decimated in a day.

Sanctions-hit member of Russia’s Federation Council Suleiman Kerimov rounded out the top-three with estimated losses of $1.2 billion. Russia’s ninth-richest businessman Viktor Vekselberg, also on the U.S. sanctions list, lost just under $1 billion.
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