6800 gt sparkle

Po treh tednih počitniškega dela sem si kupil čez ebay 6800 gt sparkle. Na novo sem naložil Windowse, ker sem si prej lastil 9600 pro. Moj comp. sestavljajo naslednje komponente: amd athlon xp 2600+, 1gb ddr 333, Asrock k7s8xe ter 6800 gt. Vem da mi procesor bottlnecka grafo pa da matična tudi ni najboljša.

Po inštalaciji windosow sem naložil driverje 77.72. Nato sem šel malo testirat grafo v 3dmar 2003 in 2005. V 2003 sem dobil čez 11000 pik, v 05 pa čez 5000 pik. Mislil sem si, torej grafa dela super(vsaj proti prejšnji 9600pro) in tudi na straneh ki testirajo grafe so dobili podobne rezultate. Nato grem špilat doom 3, nakar se začnejo težave. V igri se število slik giblje med 30 in 60, toda konstantno pada pod 20, predvsem če je na zaslonu več ljudi na enkrat, ali pa ko pridem v kakšen večji prostor pade pod 30, lahk celo 17 . Zdaj pride pa najbolj čuden del, kakor sem ugotovil se število slik na sekundo ne spreminja, ne glede če igram na 800*600 ali pa na 1280*1024. Lahko igram z 4x AA, pa se skoraj ne spremeni(opazil sem celo, da iga dela bolje na večji resoluciji, kot pa na manjši ) V timedemu v igri dobim na resoluciji 1024*768 brez AA in AF komaj 32fps, tudi če zalaufam še enkrat, se število ne spremeni za kaj dosti.

Tudi če bi se mi to dogajal sam v doomu, se ne bi kej preveč sekiru, sam imam pri battlefield 2 skoraj isti problem, pri 1024 resoluciji mi med boji pade pod 20fps. Torej nato sem se začel spraševat kaj bi lahko bilo krivo? Pregledoval sem mal forume (guru 3d) in prišel do tega, da mora zagotovo biti krivec procesor, ki bremza grafo. Vendar vseeno bi mogel po testih sodeč imeti v timedemu vsaj nad 55 fps-jev.



Tukaj je copy/paste od nekoga iz guru 3d foruma, ki ima isto težavo kot jaz:

So, I've seen couple of threads about this (all for ATI cards though), but they didn't give me answers and they were old, so I decided to do a new one.


Let's start from the beginning. I had a gf4 TI 4200 64mb for 2.7 years, and two weeks ago I got Gainward 6800 GT Golden Sample (means that it's tested and 100% guaranteed to work on 400/1100= 6800 Ultra[Keep in mind that I knew that the card would be bottlenecked by the CPU when i bought it]).
I uninstalled the old drivers, booted to safe mode, ran Driver Cleaner 2.0 for Nvidia, and shutted down the comp. After a LONG installing process, I got the new card to the AGP slot. I begged the best, and it worked. Then I installed the drivers that were on Gainward's cd. After testing, I installed 77.22 official WHQL. They were a lot better (Gainward's drivers were 66.93).

So, I clocked the card to Ultra, and tested it. For some reason, 3dmark 03&05 don't work with 400/1100, only with 350/1100. They just force core to 350. So the tests were ran not on Ultra, not on GT, but Ultra/GT, 350/1100. Here's what I got.

GT(on 66.93) GT/Ultra (77.22)
03: 10123 11332

GT(on 77.22) GT/Ultra (77.22)
05: 4732 5342

Sounds great ehh? Sounds to me, some tests with A64 4000+ with 6800U didn't get so much as I did in 05. Strange. And I thought that Ultra's clocks wouldn't boost the performance much because of the CPU bottleneck.

Well, Aquamark wasn't that good. It works on 400/1100, but I got only 46k. In some threads some 6800U user had got that score too, but he had A64 3200+ and 1gb of GEIL ddr400, so let's forget AM3, it just sucks.

Part 1.

Now, to the real problem. I started playing. Here's Doom3 standard timedemo scores. Every test but later 640x480 have all advanced details on.

Ultra (400/1100)
Ultra details, 8xaa, 1152x864.
18.9

Ultra details, 4xaa, 1152x864.
33.2

Ultra details, 4xaa, 1024x768.
33.1

High details, 4xaa, 1024x768.
35.8

High details, 0xaa, 1024x768.
36.8

Medium details, 0xaa, 1024x768
39.4

Low details, 0xaa, 640x480
39.5

Low details, 0xaa, 640x480 (with all adv.details off)
50.5


GT (350/1100)
Ultra details, 4xaa, 1024x768
33.5

High details, 4xaa, 1024x768
35.1

Medium details, 0xaa, 1024x768
39.2

Low details, 0xaa, 640x480
39.6

Low details, 0xaa, 640x480 (with all adv.details off)
50.8


So, It seems that only 8xaa really changes the FPS rate. This is really weird. How can it run similar with so big gfx difference? This was discussed in other threads, they say it's the CPU Bottleneck. Could it do so much difference? Why GT is almost like Ultra, but not in synthetic benchmarks? BTW with every settings, the timedemo lagged, or whatever it's called when it suddenly almost stops (like 1fps) in same places, just a few though. Like when he first turns on the flashlight.

The thing is, that I can live with this. But this isn't right, and I need answers. The problems in gameplay is, that it runs most of the time like 60fps, but sometimes drops under 25, and that is something I don't like (no one does). What is the cause, and if it is possible, how to fix it? I'd really appreciate help. D3 is a CPU demanding game though. (Doom 3 has a built in Vsync, it doen't go over 60fps)


Part 2.

Other games do this too, but not so badly. Far Cry run almost the same on Medium and Very High settings. Very high has SM3.0 so that might explain it. Battlefield2 demo has the same thing, but it runs well on my system, over 25fps all the time that I tested it. Far Cry runs most of the time very fine, but like D3, it sometimes has under 25 peaks.
Another strange thing is, that all the games detect settings to lowest. Everything goes as low as possible, they detect it always wrong but not that much. All think that I should run the game on 640x480 min. settings.

This is how my games run playable (on Ultra 400/1100):

Doom 3: High details, 1024x768, 4xaa.
Far Cry: Very High details, 1152x864, 2xaa/4xaf.
BF2 demo: All high (max), 1152x864, 2xaa.

Extra info:

CPU is 2500+ Barton, running on 1927mhz, FSB 166.
Ram is no-name ram (Nanya and Green), 512ddr333+512ddr400, on DDR333 PC 2700.
Mobo is MSI KT3V, 4x agp, card is running on 4xagp (tests say that dif. is 1-2fps when compared to 8x). DDR 333 max.
PSU: 350W Codegen, 15a/12V line.
Control Panel: AA/AF application controlled, High Performance.
In BIOS: AGP aperture was set to 128mb, 3d mark ran better but D3 runs better on 256mb so I put it to 256mb. Fast writes are OFF.
All the programs are patched to latest versions (D3 v1.3, FC 1.32, 3DMark 03 v360, 05 v120).
I have also ran Virus and ad/mal/spyware scans.


The problem could also be:
1.PSU problem: Comp hasn't crashed a single time after two weeks with this card and daily 1-5h use. Nothing seems to be wrong, and people are runnning 6800GTs on 250W (high quality) PSU's.
2.Driver problem. I've tried also 77.50, everything the same but a little bit lower FPS.
3.Overheating problem. CPU is under 69C and card 71C after 2h of Doom 3.
4.Ram problem. DDR333 and DDR400 don't have really big difference.

So I don't think that the problem is any of those mentioned above.


Doom 3 timedemo test on 6800GT. 1024x768, 0xaa, med details, link:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/di...
I get under 40 fps? Every one of those are better even when I have everything minimum.

I think that's all, sorry if I forgot something.

I've waited this card over a year, and this is very sensitive to me, before this I hadn't bought anything over 39�(47USD). I just want to know what's wrong and how to cure it. Please help me if you can. Damn this is a long post. You have to answer, it wasn't fun to write story this long, especially when english isn't your mother tongue. So please, if you think you can help, have even a little idea, post it, thx.

Torej če je kdo prebral vse tole, se vidi da ima dober 3d mark score, tako kot jaz, v doomu 3 pa pride nad 50 fps šele: Low details, 0xaa, 640x480 (with all adv.details off)
50.5 fps, toliko bi mogoče tudi jaz dobu na takšni resoluciji. Če bi si kdo vzel čas in prebral vse, bi mu bil zelo hvaležen!

To so popolnoma jasni simptomi dejstva da je proc malo prešibek, še posebej če res kot rečeš ni nobene razlike med resolucijami in AA in AF nastavitvami.

probej dvint fsb čez 200 in frekvenco jedra čez 2300

a mislite da bo 6800gt tudi zaviral proc P4 2GHZ navit na 2.4ghz
kr zdaj imam 6600gt pa me je razočarala(nivlke razilke od 9800pro

Jaz imam tudi podoben problem.Imam xp 2600+, 1,5 gb rama (ddr 400 in ploščo z via kt 400 cipsetom.Prej sem imel radeona 9800 pro zdej pa imam 6800 gt.Glede fpsjev ni neke bistvene razlike.Driverji pa so ta zadnji omega driverji.Preiskusil sem tudi z 77,72 samo je blo isto.Očitno procesor in čipset bremzata grafično.Edino kar mi je čudno zakaj pa dobim še enkat večji rezultat v 3d markih 03 in 05 kot z radeonom.Softver pa je najnovejši windows xp +sp2 in direct x 9.0 c

kupi kakšnega 64 bitnega 300+ venice. To je pomoje skoraj minimum za delovanje te grafe.

Navij procesor vsaj na 3200+ in poročaj, čeprav ne sumim proca ampak čipset na plati.

jani123: Spet eden, ki ne ve kaj govori. Ta plata je nekaj najboljšega za svoj denar. Edino kar ji manjka je več izbire pri napetosti procesorja in več funkcij v BIOSu. Zadnje popravijo neuradni BIOSi.
Samo čipovje pa je zelo hitro(z modificiranim BIOSom in poštimani timingi rama), hitrejša sta le KT880 in NF2 ko sta v dual.

Hvala za podrobno razlago, verjetno bo res treba menjat plato in procesor.

jest10:
Kje lahko najdem te neuradne biose?

Se bom popravil, moja matična je asrock k7s8x , narobe sem napisu, pa itak to nič ne spremeni. Kakorkoli že v biosu sem videl da imam verzijo biosa 2.2, na uradni strani pa je že verzija 2.6. Zdaj ne vem, a se mi bolj splača naložit uradno verzijo ali to s s te strani?

Jest10:

Tam ko so tisti driverji Cool!BIOS by honey X & guni, zraven pri changelog piše 252AH.ROM = Halt@Idle enabled in 252A.ROM = Halt@Idle disabled. Kaj to se potem posebi enablea ali pa disable v biosu? Ker verzija za dl je samo ena.

Pa še tole iz uradne strani:

Please read below information before download or update BIOS
We don't recommend users to update BIOS while the system is running well.
For any damages caused by improper operation of downloading or updating BIOS, ASRock™ assumes no responsibility.
Before you download or update the BIOS, please read below document carefully


Kako pa lahko poškoduješ matično, če update-aš matično? Kaj če štroma zmanjka vmes ?

Ok bom probal, sam to je moje prvo update-anje biosa, tak da bo lahk šlo kej narobe. Bom kasneje poročal o rezultatih

Če si ne upaš menjati BIOSa se pa poigraj z unim programčkom, ki sem ga dal višje.

A mislite da bi men na sempron 3000+, 512rama in 9600xt delal dom 3 in kako?

Seveda bo delal, nekje na medium nastavitvah in 1024X768.

3D Hardware Accelerator Card Required - 100% DirectX® 9.0b compatible 64MB Hardware Accelerated video card and the latest drivers*.
English version of Microsoft® Windows® 2000/XP
Pentium® IV 1.5 GHz or Athlon® XP 1500+ processor or higher
384MB RAM
8x Speed CD-ROM drive (1200KB/sec sustained transfer rate) and latest drivers
2.2GB of uncompressed free hard disk space (plus 400MB for Windows® swap file)
100% DirectX® 9.0b compatible 16-bit sound card and latest drivers
100% Windows® 2000/XP compatible mouse, keyboard and latest drivers
DirectX® 9.0b (included)

kako pa se to kaj obnese na takem sistemu?

Bolj slabo, igralno je na minimum nastavitvah.

Pri tej igri je zelo pomemben tudi RAM, meni ga je na Ultra settings porabila čez 1GB.

V moji kišti je 2X512MB TwinMOS/Windond (Dual channel) DDR400 + 512MB GEIL DDR400=1,5GB RAM. Grafa je Leadtek 6600GT@550/1100, igral sem na 1024X768 in Ultra settings, proc pa je barton 2500+@3200+. Dobim pa 53 fps-jev v Doom-ovem testu.

pa sej doom test itak nč ne pomen, dej si vklop fps-je med špilom pa boš vidu kok ti jih res nardi

jaz bi pa rajše navil proc kolko se da pa to to, kr če boš proc novi kupo rabiš tut novo plato, ki za to grafično more bit agp in polj ko boš menjaval spet boš rabil vsaj novo plato ki bo podpirala pcie da boš lahko grafo menjal.
Pomoje najboljš da pustiš tak naj grafa svoje odsluži proc naviješ mi moglo delat vrei
polj pa vse menjaš ko pač si tak daleč.

kera kartica pa bi bla optimalno iskoriščena na mojem sistemu:

amd sempron 3000+
512mb rama
80giga disk
asus a7n8x-x NF2 čipovje?

Seveda me zanima najboljša grafa

Oko itaq razloci le 25 sličič na sekundo.


Hja, ko igra teče pri 25 slikicah na sekundo ni prav nič gladko igranje pri kakšnih streljačinah in vozačinah, če ne verjameš pa probaj. Zame pri 25 slikicah ni prav nič prijetno igranje.

jeryslo:
Lahko tudi tako narediš kot sta ti napisala, vendat verjem grafa ne bo izkoriščena in jaz bi rajši na tvojem mestu kupil kakšno ugodno 6600GT, 6800GT pa prodaj in tisti denar dal na stran za drug proc+plato na PCI Express. Ali pa tako narediš kot sem ti zgoraj napisal, kupiš drug proc+ plato in uživaš v igranju in seveda izkoristiš polno moč 6800GT. Odloči se, sam veš koliko denarja imaš in kaj se ti zdi pametno.

Lp

jani123. vidim da imaš 9600XT, recimo kakšna rabljena 9800PRO bi bla ravno prav za tvoj sistem. Mogoče tudi 6600GT, al pa vsaj navadna 6600. Kaj manj se ne splača ker že itak imaš solidno grafo, ka več pa tudi ne, ker bi te bremzal procesor in tudi še 512MB rama ne bi škodilo.

LP

kakšne pa imate izkušnje radeon 9800pro/le. A je to kej slabša od radeon 9800pro zato ker je cena te kartice samo 28k sit pri funtechu. Drugač pa al je boljša radeon 9800pro ali geforce 6600gt? Kaj pa radeon x700pro?

Aja pa zdej sem probal mal navit procesor. Fsb sem dvignil na 170 (deluft 166) pa se ni zbotal. kasneje sem še povišal voltažo za eno stopnjo (0.025) pa je še vedno istp. Starega 2400+ sem lahko z voltažo +0,2 navil na 152*15 torej 2700+

Danes sem naložil modificirane biose, ki imajo veliko več možnosti, sam jst se sploh ne spoznam na tiste dodatne nastavitve. Lahk jest10 prosim napišeš, kaj je najboljš met naštiman, ker jaz sem si tam naštimal skoraj vse nastavitve iz auto na fast , pa ko sem resetiral, se na ekranu ni nič pojavil tak da sem pol vse nazaj dal na default (clearCMOS). Imajo pa ti biosi veliko več možnosti, sam ko bi človek vedu kaj kej pomen .

Sem pa tudi procesor overclocku, fsb sem spremenil iz 133 na 142, mislim da se je poznal za okoli 150mhz in far cry mi je delal 5fps-jev hitreje in to sam za 150 mhz. Nimam pa nikjer v biosu za množilnik spreminjat, verjetno te matične ne podpirajo tega?

Zdej pa si predstavljaj koliko bi pridobil da bi kupil enga A64 3000+ venice pa ga še mal navil, pol bi šele videl razliko.
Grafika ne more oreng "zašvicat" pri tem procesorju. Sej pravim procesor bi ti veliko pomagal.

Lp

Doma z bratom izdelujema vodno hlajenje, tak da upam da ga bom lahko še bolj navil, problem je pa, če bi si hotel kupit amd 64, bi mogel menjat plato, pol pa to še vse skupaj potegne. Odloču sem se, da ga bom z vodnim hlajenjem (ko bo nared) poskusil naviti, če pa ne bo šlo, bom pa razmislil o nakupu Amd 64. Zdaj me pa še samo zanima, za koliko bi lahko moj procesor navil?

Tukaj je screen od cpu-z in wcpuid:



Pa še to, a je treba da je hitrost ramov enaka BUS speed, ker zmeraj ko dam naloži na default, mi hitrost ramov da na 266 ddr, čeprav imam vse tri rame ddr400? Upam da vas ne morim preveč s temi vprašanji, sam ko je pa toliko stvari ki nimam pojma o njih .