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CES: Sejemsko pohištvo 2013

Zasloni z visokim kontrastom, še živa ženska telesa in nestandardni vijaki so sestavni deli zabavne elektronike. (Vir: The Atlantic)

vir: BBC
BBC - BBC s sejma zabavne elektronike CES poroča o ne le nadaljevanju, temveč celo poglabljanju prakse s katero se tehnološki napredek na tem področju demonstrira na izrazito spolno polariziran način. Zaradi masovne uporabe deklet, ki naj bi moške obiskovalce pritegnile k ogledu izdelkov razstavljalcev, se nekatere na sejmu prisotne medijske organizacije različnih velikosti in oblik zaman sprašujejo, kako naj dekleta pridobijo zaupanje v industrijo, kjer jih kronično primanjkuje, če so v takih osrednjih prireditvah objektificirana daleč prek meja seksizma in mizoginije.

Na vprašanja, povezana z uporabo žensk kot izložbenih lutk z namenom pospeševanja prodaje, se organizator ni želel odzvati, mnenja obiskovalcev, razstavljalcev in osebja pa so bila deljena. Od toženja o neprijetnih občutkih, ker je način predstavitve izdelkov, katerih razvoj ženske z zanimanjem spremljajo in jih tudi z veseljem uporabljajo, tako temeljito usmerjen v zadovoljevanje impliciranih potreb moške populacije, do spraševanja o tem, ali je s pretežno golimi ženskimi telesi na prireditvi, ki poskuša popularizirati napredek na tem področju resnično kaj narobe, ali pa je to zgolj marketinški prijem kot vsak drug. Izraženi so bili tudi pomisleki o posledicah takšnega početja in izpostavljanje dejstva, da je zelo malo žensk, ki bi se dobro počutile pri delu na področju tehnološkega razvoja, še zlasti na področju računalništva, ki je žal znano po nadpovprečnem nivoju jasno izraženega sovraštva do žensk.



Ali pa je vse skupaj morda le posledica združevanja oglaševalskih prizadevanj založnikov pornografije in elektronske industrije z namenom nižanja stroškov v senci svetovne finančne krize izpred petih let?

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Relanium ::

Sex sells...

(vsaj dokler so potrebni geeki blizu)

Tear_DR0P ::

Relanium je izjavil:

Sex sells...

(vsaj dokler so potrebni geeki blizu)


oh. zarad tega je 50 odtenkov sive tolk prodajana knjiga
"Figures don't lie, but liars figure."
Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain

ABX ::

What phone?

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Mipe ::

Se vidi, da pri izbiri deklet ozirajo zgolj na obline... Kar nekaj jih ima res antipatične obraze. Butter face.

Sicer pa vidim, da je marketing najbolj dejaven oddelek v pohištveni industriji. Ni čudno, da čutijo krizo; kvaliteta upada, čedalje več opraskanih/poškodovanih/neustreznih izdelkov je v prosti prodaji. Mi je zadnjič ena teta tožila, da je kupila novo kuhinjo, katere vratca se ne odpirajo in zapirajo lepo, ena redno drsijo s tečaja, tako da mora vedno znova priviti.

Če bi prodajali kvaliteto namesto deklet, bi morda videli več ljudi. Ampak ne, očitno so pogruntali, da bodo prodali več pohištva, če nam prodajo zanič robo, ki jo bomo prej kot slej primorani hitro zamenjati. Eh, jeba je.

KaRkY ::

@Mipe mislim da si referenco s pohištvom narobe razumel ali pa nisi prebral novice.

Nevem kako razmišljajo ti predstavljalci, da jim taka dekleta prinašajo nove stranke. Sam vem da verjetno ko bi prišel iz razstavljalnega prostora nebi vedel kaj sem videl(preveč distrakcije). Me pa moti na takih sejmih ko ljudje ki so tam nevejo nič o izdelku, ki ga predstavljajo. Se mi je to zgodilo pred nekaj leti na Cebitu na ASUS-ovem predstavitvenem prostoru ko so me pošiljali od enega do drugega pa nobeden ni vedel ali obstaja več procesorska matična plošča ki ni za server.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks into you

Mipe ::

Mal me je zavedel naslov. Mater, kdaj bodo nehali s to prakso zavajajočih naslovov?!

Pithlit ::

Saj ni zavajujoč... I'm biased tho, so maybe it is.
Life is as complicated as we make it...

Mipe ::

Mnja, sem pač zamešal sejemsko pohištvo in pohištvene sejme. Na pohištvenih sejmih je res malce manj hostes, vendar so še vedno tam. Pa v reklamah za kuhinje, garniture itd. so vedno brhke manekenke in manekeni. Veliko denarja zagonijo zgolj za marketing, na ta račun pa zanemarijo kvaliteto. Prej kot slej.

Tudi pri zabavni elektroniki je enako; že zdavnaj so pozabili, da se dobro blago hvali samo.

Tr0n ::

Saj te punce dobro zasluzijo. Zato se tudi odlocajo za taksno delo.

Korencek ::

Mah sej tako pohištvo je na vseh sejmih :)

sam res ni nekega efekta. Na našem štantu so večinoma naše stranke, nihče še ni kupil našega stroja zaradi pohištva ;)
Je pa res da se zaradi takšnega pohištva večkrat sprehodiš mimo kakšnega štanta, in po kakšnem petem obhodu pa vendarle ugotoviš da pa imajo še kaj drugega kot pa to blond pohištvo.. se mi je že večrat zgodilo :)
Smisel smisla je v nesmislu

opeter ::

kako naj dekleta pridobijo zaupanje v industrijo, kjer jih kronično primanjkuje, če so v takih osrednjih prireditvah objektificirana daleč prek meja seksizma in mizoginije.

Moram pa dodat, da ta dekleta, ki so na zgornjih slikah, verjetno niso tako mentalno razvite, da bi delale v "tehnološki industriji". Za potrebe porno industrije pa so verjetno odlične.
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Mipe ::

Zakaj govorite, kot da je moški kriv za to? Ženske same od sebe izkoriščajo svoje čare. Nihče jih ne sili v to.

para! ::

Moram pa dodat, da ta dekleta, ki so na zgornjih slikah, verjetno niso tako mentalno razvite, da bi delale v "tehnološki industriji". Za potrebe porno industrije pa so verjetno odlične.

Kako si pa do takšnega zaključa prišel?

Mentalna razvitost je, glede na način reasoninga, verjetno bolj tvoj problem kot njihov.

lp
Death before dishonor!

jype ::

opeter> Moram pa dodat, da ta dekleta, ki so na zgornjih slikah, verjetno niso tako mentalno razvite, da bi delale v "tehnološki industriji".

Kako veš? Večina deklet zgolj noče delovati na področjih, kjer se ljudje bolj in rajši ukvarjajo z njihovimi telesnimi značilnostmi, kot z njihovimi strokovnimi predlogi. Če bi se ta dekleta odpovedala materialni neodvisnosti in čakala na to, da jih družba začne resno jemat tudi na strokovnem področju, bi postala marginalizirana, tako kot je večina feministk.

Mipe> Zakaj govorite, kot da je moški kriv za to? Ženske same od sebe izkoriščajo svoje čare. Nihče jih ne sili v to.

Ker so v patriarhalni družbi (to je tudi naša) moški tisti, ki ženskam določajo družbene vloge z različnimi, bolj ali manj prefinjenimi oblikami družbene prisile.

Blinder ::

kr naj ostanejo za štedilnikom.
99.991% of over-25 population has tried kissing.
If you're one of the 0.009% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your Signature.
G3258, GT740 Pismo smo stari v bozjo mater. Recesija generacija

digitalcek ::

..."še zlasti na področju računalništva, ki je žal znano po nadpovprečnem nivoju jasno izraženega sovraštva do žensk."

Nisem vedel, da fotomodelke, ki se slečejo pred fotoaparatom, sovražijo moške.
Nedvomno pa NE sovražijo tistih 100, 200, 500 evrov, ki jih dobijo za nekaj ur poziranja...:)

Splet pa je znan TUDI po nadpovprečnem zanimanju moških za goloto, erotiko in pornografijo.
In če od tega krutega dejstva živijo tako moški (webmastri, programerji, designerji, fotografi, snemalci, osvetljevalci, montažerji, tonski tehniki, moški erotični in porno modeli),
ter ženske (foto in ostale modelke, porno igralke, vizažistke, erotične fotografinje, kakšna montažerka, celo kakšna kamermanka), potem (poleg tega, da so take produkcije popolnoma legalne) ne vidim problema.

Avtor ga vidi. Naj predlaga prepoved opravljanja omenjenih poklicev. In najde službe za nekaj sto tisoč ljudi, ki po svetu opravljajo omenjena dela.
In naj da mladim dekletom v Sloveniji NAJMANJ 1000 evrov plače (v Nemčiji pa 2500), da se jim ne bo treba za honorar slačiti pred fotoaparatom, ali napol razgaljene paradirati po avtomobilskih in drugih sejmih. Ali celo prodajati nošeno spodnje perilo...
Nekateri si prisvojite vse, kar ni privarjeno.
Tako iz kakšne tuje kleti, kot tudi s spleta.
Žalostno!

jype ::

digitalcek> Nisem vedel, da fotomodelke, ki se slečejo pred fotoaparatom, sovražijo moške.

Od kod ti pa ta ideja?

digitalcek> ne vidim problema.
digitalcek> Avtor ga vidi.

Ti si slaboviden, avtor pa ima 20/20. Tako preprosto je to.

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digitalcek ::

jype je izjavil:


Ti si slaboviden, avtor pa ima 20/20. Tako preprosto je to.


Avtor NIMA pojma. O življenju. Žal. Ko bo imel 60 let, bo kredibilen, prej pa ne.
Nekateri si prisvojite vse, kar ni privarjeno.
Tako iz kakšne tuje kleti, kot tudi s spleta.
Žalostno!

jype ::

digitalcek> Avtor NIMA pojma. O življenju. Žal. Ko bo imel 60 let, bo kredibilen, prej pa ne.

Avtor o življenju ve več, kot boš ti kadarkoli lahko izvedel, ker ima dokazano znatno večje intelektualne kapacitete, hkrati pa ni omejen z družbenimi vzorci preživetega obdobja.

jan_g ::

Meni se moderna družba ne zdi toliko patriarhalna, je pa zanimivo, da se je zgodil nekakšen beg spolov v določene poklice. Poklici kot šolstvo in vzgoja, zdravstvo, sodstvo in še kaj, se mi zdijo vse bolj feminizirani, po drugi strani pa v tehničnih strokah žensk skoraj ni. Raziskave so pokazale, da npr. v računalništvu in tudi študiju računalništva, delež žensk upada. Se pravi je nekaj generalno narobe, ampak ne vem točno, kje je problem. Peer pressure?

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Mipe ::

jype je izjavil:

digitalcek> Avtor NIMA pojma. O življenju. Žal. Ko bo imel 60 let, bo kredibilen, prej pa ne.

Avtor o življenju ve več, kot boš ti kadarkoli lahko izvedel, ker ima dokazano znatno večje intelektualne kapacitete, hkrati pa ni omejen z družbenimi vzorci preživetega obdobja.

Tu se žal ne morem strinjati. Največji geniji so, glede na njihova življenja, bili tudi največji nesrečniki v smislu zasebnega življenja.

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jype ::

jan_g> Se pravi je nekaj generalno narobe, ampak ne vem točno, kje je problem. Peer pressure?

V novici so povezave, ki zelo temeljito obravnavajo problematiko in identificirajo probleme in ponujajo povezave na še več tega.

Mipe> Tu se žal ne morem strinjati. Največji geniji so, glede na njihova življenja, bili tudi največji nesrečniki.

Kdo pa pravi, da je avtor srečen? Bi sploh napisal tako novico, če bi bil zadovoljen s stanjem?

Mipe> v smislu zasebnega življenja.

Ne vidim povezave med zasebnim zadovoljstvom in občutkom odgovornosti za sočloveka.

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Spock83 ::

Mipe je izjavil:

Zakaj govorite, kot da je moški kriv za to? Ženske same od sebe izkoriščajo svoje čare. Nihče jih ne sili v to.


Točno to.
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jype ::

Problem seveda ni v ženskah, ki bi želele pozirat za denar, ampak v ženskah, ki jih zanima področje elektronike, ki se počutijo izključene. Ena od obiskovalk sejma pravilno ugotavlja, da problem ni to, da je poln napol golih ženskih teles, temveč popolno pomanjkanje napol golih moških teles.

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@nny ::

@digitalcek - prvoosebne izkušnje z omenjenega področja?
Splet ne pozablja, sam veš.
'For most of history, Anonymous was a woman.' Virginia Woolf

jan_g ::

jype je izjavil:

jan_g> Se pravi je nekaj generalno narobe, ampak ne vem točno, kje je problem. Peer pressure?

V novici so povezave, ki zelo temeljito obravnavajo problematiko in identificirajo probleme in ponujajo povezave na še več tega.


Priznam, da trenutno nimam časa, da bi šel brati še več na to temo, ampak kolikor sem doslej sledil zadnjim 'modnim' trendom v tej tematiki, se večinoma očita 'sexism', ampak ne vem, če ga je bilo v 80-ih kaj manj, pa je bilo več žensk v poklicih povezani z računalništvom. Sploh te stereotipne predstave, kakšne vloge pripadajo oz. naj bi pripadale ženskam.

gruntfĂźrmich ::

tile sejmi so se čisto izrodili. potem pa proizvajalci tožijo da imajo slabo prodajo... da dejansko kaj pametnega zveš o izdelku porabiš par minut da hostesa prikliče koga, ki se na stvar dejansko spozna; če je sploh kdo tam.
in potem se samo ljudje špancirajo mimo štantov, ker so sejmi veliki in nimajo časa se ukvarjat z nevedneži...
"Namreč, da gre ta družba počasi v norost in da je vse, kar mi gledamo,
visoko organizirana bebavost, do podrobnosti izdelana idiotija."
Psiholog HUBERT POŽARNIK, v Oni, o smiselnosti moderne druŞbe...

vostok_1 ::

Jaz ne vidim točno zakaj pa bi (nekatere) ženske hotele menjati družbene vzorce. Po današnjih (pol-preteklih) družbenih vzorcih jim je kr fanj. Za pozirat prejmejo v pol dneva 2x več kot jaz v celem dnevu.
Damn good deal if you ask me.

Kljub "patriarhalni" ureditvi (baje), ni toliko problem v moških ampak v ženskah samih. Stepst se morete vi ženske med sabo, da pridete do konsenza in novega družbenega dogovora. "Moški" smo pravzaprav edini razlog zakaj vam je tako dobro danes napram nekoč. Namreč moški "smo" bili tisti, ki so "vam" dali vse pravice in izpeljali spremembe. (natančneje..."nice guys" so odgovorni za to, kateri so baje "non fuck material" pri "ženskah")

Zdej...lahko bi res začeli uvajat naga moška telesa na sejmih. Sem pa za to, da se vsa gola telesa izloči iz takih prireditev, ker tam ne bi smeli imeti nobene vloge. Je pa to pač problem o ljudjeh, ki so z desno nogo še v savani (aka 99,9% človeštva).

mn ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Namreč moški "smo" bili tisti, ki so "vam" dali vse pravice in izpeljali spremembe.


Pravice ne moreš nekomu DATI! Ti kar pripadajo po defaultu - lahko ti jih edino nekdo vzame!

vostok_1 ::

mn je izjavil:

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Namreč moški "smo" bili tisti, ki so "vam" dali vse pravice in izpeljali spremembe.


Pravice ne moreš nekomu DATI! Ti kar pripadajo po defaultu - lahko ti jih edino nekdo vzame!


Pravica dostopa do širokopasovnega interneta ni ravno god given right. Pravica do svobode govora je bila za dinozavre rahlo neuporabna.

Ampak, i digress, imaš prav. Bom se izrazil "omogočili uveljavljanje vaših pravic"

Tamius Han ::

mn je izjavil:

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Namreč moški "smo" bili tisti, ki so "vam" dali vse pravice in izpeljali spremembe.


Pravice ne moreš nekomu DATI! Ti kar pripadajo po defaultu - lahko ti jih edino nekdo vzame!


Pravic ni, v resnici obstajajo samo privilegiji. Teh pa ti ne bo nihče dal, si jih rabiš vzeti sam.

vostok_1 ::

Tamius Han je izjavil:

mn je izjavil:

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Namreč moški "smo" bili tisti, ki so "vam" dali vse pravice in izpeljali spremembe.


Pravice ne moreš nekomu DATI! Ti kar pripadajo po defaultu - lahko ti jih edino nekdo vzame!


Pravic ni, v resnici obstajajo samo privilegiji. Teh pa ti ne bo nihče dal, si jih rabiš vzeti sam.


Not always true. Nihče ni silil moške v svojem času, da podarijo volilno pravico ženskam. No, bile so sufražetke, ki pa so dosegle le to, da jim je bilo manj dolgčas ko so skakale po ulicah in se borile za svoje "privilegije".
Vse kar so ženske dobile so primarno dobile od čutečih, prijaznih moških, ki so imeli dovolj družbene moči. S sužnji v kolonialnem obdobju je bilo prav tako.

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ABX ::

In na srečo da so takšni ljudje obstajali (tako moški kot ženske) ter se borili da nam je danes toliko lepše živet.
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jype ::

vostok_1> Vse kar so ženske dobile so primarno dobile od čutečih, prijaznih moških, ki so imeli dovolj družbene moči.

Pojma nimaš.

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vostok_1 ::

ABX je izjavil:

In na srečo da so takšni ljudje obstajali (tako moški kot ženske) ter se borili da nam je danes toliko lepše živet.


True, vendar pogosto taki ljudje potegnejo kratko. Tako v zasebnem kot javnem življenju. Življenje res ni pravično.

ABX ::

Še vedno velja pravilo narave, ne glede na to koliko se imamo za pametne. En dan bo še boljše, ko bomo lahko vse te negativne posledice naravne evolucije odstranili.
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jype ::

Ženske so postale močnejše z industrijsko revolucijo, v kateri so zaradi narave strojev postale precej bolj enakovredne moškim na področjih, ki so jih prej ti skoraj izključno obvladovali.

Seksizem je nekaj novejšega in izvira predvsem iz mineštre seksualne revolucije in konzervativne hierarhije in družbenih vzorcev.

vostok_1 ::

jype je izjavil:

vostok_1> Vse kar so ženske dobile so primarno dobile od čutečih, prijaznih moških, ki so imeli dovolj družbene moči.

Pojma nimaš.


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In Italy, women's suffrage was not introduced following the World War I, but upheld by Socialist and Fascist activists and partly introduced by Benito Mussolini's government in 1925.[53] Following the war, in the 1946 election, all Italians simultaneously voted for the Constituent Assembly and for a referendum about keeping Italy a monarchy or creating a republic instead. Elections were not held in the Julian March and South Tyrol because they were under UN occupation.
Liechtenstein

In Liechtenstein, women's suffrage was granted via referendum in 1984.[54] Previously, referendums on the issue of women's suffrage had been held in 1968, 1971 and 1973.[citation needed]
Netherlands
Dutch Wilhelmina Drucker, pioneer for women's rights, is portrayed by Truus Claes in 1917 on the occasion of her seventieth birthday.

The group working for women's suffrage in the Netherlands was the Dutch Vereeniging voor Vrouwenkiesrecht (Women's Suffrage Association), founded in 1894. In 1917 Dutch women became electable in national elections, which led to the election of Suze Groeneweg of the SDAP party in the general elections of 1918. On 15 May 1919 a new law was drafted to allow women's suffrage without any limitations. The law was passed and the right to vote could be exercised for the first time in the general elections of 1922. Voting was made mandatory from 1918, which was not lifted until 1970.[citation needed]
Norway
The first Norwegian woman casts her vote in the 1910 municipal election

Middle class women could vote for the first time in 1907 (i.e., women coming from families with a certain level of prosperity). Women in general were allowed to vote in local elections from 1910 on, and in 1913 a motion on general suffrage for women was carried unanimously in the Norwegian parliament (Stortinget).[citation needed]
Poland

Poland in its first days after regaining independence (1918) following the 123 year period of the Partition of Poland (before 1795 tax-paying females were allowed to take part in political life), allowed voting rights to women, as well as rights to be elected, without any restrictions. The first women elected to the Sejm in 1919 were: Gabriela Balicka, Jadwiga Dziubińska, Irena Kosmowska, Maria Moczydłowska, Zofia Moraczewska, Anna Piasecka, Zofia Sokolnicka, Franciszka Wilczkowiakowa.,[55][56]
Portugal

Carolina Beatriz Ângelo was the first Portuguese woman to vote, in 1911, for the Republican Constitutional Parliament. She argued that she was entitled to do so as she was the head of a household. The law was changed some time later, stating that only male heads of households could vote. In 1931 during the Estado Novo regime, women were allowed to vote for the first time, but only if they had a high school or university degree, while men had only to be able to read and write. In 1946 a new electoral law enlarged the possibility of female vote, but still with some differences regarding men. A law from 1968 claimed to establish "equality of political rights for men and women", but a few electoral rights were reserved for men. After the Carnation Revolution, in 1974, women were granted full and equal electoral rights.[citation needed]
Spain
Women exercising the right to vote during the Second Spanish Republic, 5th of November 1933.

In the Basque provinces of Biscay and Gipuzkoa women who paid a special election tax were allowed to vote and get elected to office till the abolition of the Basque fueros.[citation needed] Nonetheless the possibility of being elected without the right to vote persisted, hence María Isabel de Ayala was elected mayor in Ikastegieta in 1865. Women's suffrage was officially adopted in 1931 not without the opposition of Margarita Nelken and Victoria Kent, two female MPs (both members of the Republican Radical-Socialist Party), who argued that women in Spain and at that time, were far too immature and ignorant to vote responsibly, thus putting at risk the existence of the Second Republic. During the Franco regime only women who were considered heads of household were allowed to vote; in the "organic democracy" type of elections called "referendums" (Franco's regime was dictatorial) women were allowed to vote.[57] From 1976, during the Spanish transition to democracy women fully exercised the right to vote and be elected to office.
Sweden
Swedish suffragist Signe Bergman, around 1910

During the Age of Liberty (1718–1771), tax-paying female members of guilds (most often widows), had been allowed to vote. Furthermore, new tax regulations made the participation of women in the elections even more extensive from 1743 onward.[8]

The vote was sometimes given through a male representative, which was one of the most prominent reasons cited by those in opposition to female suffrage. In 1758 women were excluded from mayoral and local elections, but continued to vote in national elections. In 1771 women's suffrage was abolished through the new constitution.[8]

In 1862 tax-paying women of legal majority (unmarried women and widows) were again allowed to vote in municipal elections, making Sweden the first country in the world to grant women the right to vote.[47] The right to vote in municipal elections applied only to people of legal majority, which excluded married women, as they were juridically under the guardianship of their husbands. In 1884 the suggestion to grant women the right to vote in national elections was initially voted down in Parliament.[58] In 1902 the Swedish Society for Woman Suffrage was founded. In 1906 the suggestion of women's suffrage was voted down in parliament again.[59] However, the same year, also married women were granted municipal suffrage. In 1909 women were granted eligibility to municipal councils, and in the following 1910–11 municipal elections, forty women were elected to different municipal councils,[59] Gertrud Månsson being the first. In 1914 Emilia Broomé became the first woman in the legislative assembly.[60]

The right to vote in national elections was not returned to women until 1919, and was practised again in the election of 1921, for the first time in 150 years.[8] In the election of 1921 more women than men had the right to vote because women got the right just by turning 21 years old while men had to undergo military service for the right to vote. In a decision 1921 men received the same right as women and this was practised in the election of 1924.[citation needed]

After the 1921 election, the first women were elected to Swedish Parliament after the suffrage: Kerstin Hesselgren in the Upper chamber and Nelly Thüring (Social Democrat), Agda Östlund (Social Democrat) Elisabeth Tamm (liberal) and Bertha Wellin (Conservative) in the Lower chamber. Karin Kock-Lindberg became the first female government minister, and in 1958, Ulla Lindström became the first acting Prime Minister.[61]
Switzerland
Main article: Women's suffrage in Switzerland

A referendum on women's suffrage was held on 1 February 1959. The majority of Switzerland's men voted against it, but in some cantons women obtained the vote.[62] The first Swiss woman to hold political office, Trudy Späth-Schweizer, was elected to the municipal government of Riehen in 1958.[63]

Switzerland was the last Western republic to grant women's suffrage; they gained the right to vote in federal elections in 1971 after a second referendum that year.[62] In 1991 following a decision by the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland, Appenzell Innerrhoden became the last Swiss canton to grant women the vote on local issues.[64]
Turkey

In Turkey women were given the right to vote in municipal elections on March 20, 1930. Women's suffrage was achieved for parliament elections on December 5, 1934 by the constitutional amendment. Turkish women who participated for the parliament elections as a first time on February 8, 1935 obtained 18 seats. Latife Uşşaki (wife of the founder of the Republic of Turkey) is known for being in the Emancipation of Women.[citation needed]
United Kingdom
Main article: Women's suffrage in the United Kingdom
A British cartoon speculating on why imprisoned suffragettes refused to eat in prison

The campaign for women's suffrage gained momentum throughout the early part of the 19th century as women became increasingly politically active, particularly during the campaigns to reform suffrage in the United Kingdom. John Stuart Mill, elected to Parliament in 1865 and an open advocate of female suffrage (about to publish The Subjection of Women), campaigned for an amendment to the Reform Act to include female suffrage.[65] Roundly defeated in an all male parliament under a Conservative government, the issue of women's suffrage came to the fore.

During the later half of the 19th century, a number of campaign groups were formed in an attempt to lobby Members of Parliament and gain support. In 1897, seventeen of these groups came together to form the National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies (NUWSS), who held public meetings, wrote letters to politicians and published various texts.[66] In 1907 the NUWSS organized its first large procession.[66] This march became known as the Mud March as over 3,000 women trudged through the streets of London from Hyde Park to Exeter Hall to advocate for women's suffrage.[67]

In 1903 a number of members of the NUWSS broke away and, led by Emmeline Pankhurst, formed the Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU).[68] As the national media lost interest in the suffrage campaign, the WSPU decided it would use other methods to create publicity. This began in 1905 at a meeting where Edward Grey, 1st Viscount Grey of Fallodon, a member of the newly elected Liberal government, was speaking.[69] As he was talking, two members of the WSPU constantly shouted out, 'Will the Liberal Government give votes to women?'.[69] When they refused to cease calling out, police were called to evict them and the two suffragettes (as members of the WSPU became known after this incident) were involved in a struggle which ended with them being arrested and charged for assault. When they refused to pay their fine, they were sent to prison for one week, and three days.[69] The British public were shocked and took notice at this use of violence to win the vote for women.

After this media success, the WSPU's tactics became increasingly violent. This included an attempt in 1908 to storm the House of Commons, the arson of David Lloyd George's country home (despite his support for women's suffrage). In 1909 Lady Constance Lytton was imprisoned, but immediately released when her identity was discovered, so in 1910 she disguised herself as a working class seamstress called Jane Warton and endured inhumane treatment which included force-feeding. In 1913, suffragette Emily Davison protested by interfering with a horse owned by King George V during the running of the Epsom Derby; she was trampled and died four days later. The WSPU ceased their militant activities during World War I and agreed to assist with the war effort.[70]

The National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies, which had always employed 'constitutional' methods, continued to lobby during the war years, and compromises were worked out between the NUWSS and the coalition government.[71] On 6 February, the Representation of the People Act 1918 was passed, enfranchising women over the age of 30 who met minimum property qualifications.[72] About 8.4 million women gained the vote.[72] In November 1918, the Eligibility of Women Act was passed, allowing women to be elected into Parliament.[72] The Representation of the People Act 1928 extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21, granting women the vote on the same terms as men.[73]

In 1999 Time magazine in naming Emmeline Pankhurst as one of the 100 Most Important People of the 20th Century, states.."she shaped an idea of women for our time; she shook society into a new pattern from which there could be no going back".[74]
The Americas


history says otherwise.

No bile so tu še vojne, ki so močno izboljšale izhodišče, but try as you might, je bil nekje en moški ali skupina, ki je tako določila. Glede plačevanja davkov...no zadeva je tu mal bolj siva, a vendar se ve kdo je vodil.

Skratka brez takih moških bi ženske še naprej mešale blato v jamah.

jype je izjavil:

Ženske so postale močnejše z industrijsko revolucijo, v kateri so zaradi narave strojev postale precej bolj enakovredne moškim na področjih, ki so jih prej ti skoraj izključno obvladovali.

Seksizem je nekaj novejšega in izvira predvsem iz mineštre seksualne revolucije in konzervativne hierarhije in družbenih vzorcev.


Inudustrijsko revolucijo pa so seveda vodile ženske?

Moški, tisti ta prijazni so pustili ženske not ker se jim je zdelo prav, tisti ta bolj žleht so pač vidli dodaten vir izkoriščanja.

Skratka...moški.

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vostok_1 ::

Vrjamem, da je bilo mnogo ženskih žrtev v zgodovini (sicer krepko manj kot moških, ampak ne ozirajmo se na to). Bilo pa je tudi veliko prijaznih možev, ki se je tudi v srednjem veku obnašalo spošljivo do svoje žene v največji možni meri za takratni standard. Ki so ga bolj kot ne pogosto določali bedaki.

Tiste ta prijazne, ki so osvobodili otroke, ženske in sužnje pa se pogosto pozablja.

Moj dedek pri skoraj stoletju starosti ni nikoli zlorabljal ženo, kljub temu, da se je v tistih časih samovoljne ženske še vedno (metaforično) sežigalo kot čarovnice.

jype ::

vostok_1> Bilo pa je tudi veliko prijaznih možev, ki se je tudi v srednjem veku obnašalo spošljivo do svoje žene v največji možni meri za takratni standard.

To nima najmanjše zveze z enakopravnostjo spolov.

vostok_1> Tiste ta prijazne, ki so osvobodili otroke, ženske in sužnje pa se pogosto pozablja.

Ker so bili tudi ti lahko še vedno seksistična tesla.

vostok_1> Moj dedek pri skoraj stoletju starosti ni nikoli zlorabljal ženo, kljub temu, da se je v tistih časih samovoljne ženske še vedno (metaforično) sežigalo kot čarovnice.

Pa je stopil v bran ženskam, ki so se jim zaradi njihovega spola godile krivice? Če je stopil v bran ženskam, moškim pa ne, je bil očitno "gender biased".

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vostok_1 ::

jype je izjavil:

vostok_1> Bilo pa je tudi veliko prijaznih možev, ki se je tudi v srednjem veku obnašalo spošljivo do svoje žene v največji možni meri za takratni standard.

To nima najmanjše zveze z enakopravnostjo spolov.

vostok_1> Tiste ta prijazne, ki so osvobodili otroke, ženske in sužnje pa se pogosto pozablja.

Ker so bili tudi ti lahko še vedno seksistična tesla.

vostok_1> Moj dedek pri skoraj stoletju starosti ni nikoli zlorabljal ženo, kljub temu, da se je v tistih časih samovoljne ženske še vedno (metaforično) sežigalo kot čarovnice.

Pa je stopil v bran ženskam, ki so se jim zaradi njihovega spola godile krivice? Če je stopil v bran ženskam, moškim pa ne, je bil očitno "gender biased".


Nevem kaj bi še pričakoval glede na okoliščine v katerih so živeli?

Javno spodbujanje enakopravja ali vsaj enakospoštovanja je v nekaterih primerih moške stalo življenja, v drugih vsaj posmeh če ne izobčenje. Kar lahko tudi dandanes vidimo tam med ca. 6-14 leta starosti v različnih državnih institucijah.

Ti našteti primeri so pionirji uveljavljenja ženskih "privilegijev" in jaz jim poklanjam mero spoštovanja. Brez njih bi ta svet bil mnogo mnogo grši.


Še zgodba za lahko noč:

The Lazy Woman

Dracula once noticed a man working in the fields while wearing too short a caftan. The prince stopped and asked the man whether or not he had a wife. When the man answered in the affirmative, Dracula had the woman brought before him and asked her how she spent her days. The poor, frightened woman stated that she spent her days washing, baking and sewing. The prince pointed out her husband's short caftan as evidence of her laziness and dishonesty and ordered her impaled despite her husband's objection that he was well satisfied with his wife. Dracula then ordered another woman to marry the peasant but admonished her to work hard or suffer her predecessor's fate.

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jype ::

vostok_1> Javno spodbujanje enakopravja ali vsaj enakospoštovanja je v nekaterih primerih moške stalo življenja

Ja, in? Enakopravnost je na najosnovnejšem nivoju naša etična obveza, na najbolj praktičnem nivoju pa garancija za največjo možno učinkovitost vsake svobodne družbe.

vostok_1 ::

jype je izjavil:

vostok_1> Javno spodbujanje enakopravja ali vsaj enakospoštovanja je v nekaterih primerih moške stalo življenja

Ja, in? Enakopravnost je na najosnovnejšem nivoju naša etična obveza, na najbolj praktičnem nivoju pa garancija za največjo možno učinkovitost vsake svobodne družbe.


Se strinjam, popolnoma. Vendar ko si imel na izbiro žeivljenje ali počasno umiranje z kolom v riti si mal pozabu na te obveze.

jype ::

Ja, ampak vsi niso, sicer bi danes tudi jaz imel kol v riti (tako sem pa zaradi mizoginije in seksizma samo označen za poženščenega moškega, ki mu žena uhaja k pravim moškim, da jo malo fizično zlorabijo).

vostok_1 ::

jype je izjavil:

Ja, ampak vsi niso, sicer bi danes tudi jaz imel kol v riti (tako sem pa zaradi mizoginije in seksizma samo označen za poženščenega moškega, ki mu žena uhaja k pravim moškim, da jo malo fizično zlorabijo).


Agree, čeprav današnje metode maltratiranja nekonformističnega osebka so mnogo bolj znosne. Skratka kot večina stvari v svetu je evolucija družbe prinesla to kar imamo danes. Začela pa se je seveda na precej primitivnem nivoju.

Relanium ::

opeter je izjavil:

kako naj dekleta pridobijo zaupanje v industrijo, kjer jih kronično primanjkuje, če so v takih osrednjih prireditvah objektificirana daleč prek meja seksizma in mizoginije.

Moram pa dodat, da ta dekleta, ki so na zgornjih slikah, verjetno niso tako mentalno razvite, da bi delale v "tehnološki industriji". Za potrebe porno industrije pa so verjetno odlične.

No shit sherlock?

Normalno da sta pamet pa lepota obratno sorazmerni.
Če bi lepota delovala tud za tebe, se ti seveda nebi blo treba tolk mentalno trudit, ker bi ti ritolizniki prinesli vse na pladnju in bi se tako sčasoma poneumil.
(kar pa se dogaja pri večini dobro izgledajočih deklic)

PS: seveda obstajajo izjeme ampak so pač prav to - izjeme

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Zero0ne ::

jan_g je izjavil:

Meni se moderna družba ne zdi toliko patriarhalna, je pa zanimivo, da se je zgodil nekakšen beg spolov v določene poklice. Poklici kot šolstvo in vzgoja, zdravstvo, sodstvo in še kaj, se mi zdijo vse bolj feminizirani, po drugi strani pa v tehničnih strokah žensk skoraj ni. Raziskave so pokazale, da npr. v računalništvu in tudi študiju računalništva, delež žensk upada. Se pravi je nekaj generalno narobe, ampak ne vem točno, kje je problem. Peer pressure?


Narobe ni nič. Ideja, da je prevlada različnih spolov v različnih poklicih nekaj nezaželjenega, je produkt prekomernega oziranja na egalitarnost brez vsakega smisla za to, kdo si te poklice dejansko želi opravljati. Koncept "patriarhalne družbe" pa je popolna izmišljotina. Pri nas ima vsak državljan prosto izbiro izobrazbe in posledično stroke, kjer želi delati. Če so ženske raje zdravnice in učiteljice kot tehniki, inženirke in znanstvenice (in moški obratno), to ni nekaj, čemur bi morali na silo nasprotovati, temveč osebna izbira, ki bi ji morali dati podporo.
uname -o

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Pithlit ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Agree, čeprav današnje metode maltratiranja nekonformističnega osebka so mnogo bolj znosne.

Niso. Samo shift se je zgodil... s fizičnega na psihičnega. Pa ti lahko s prve roke povem da se mnogokrat fizično nasilje da lažje prenašat kot psihično.

Je pa to stvar tako močno in globoko zakoreninjena da se ljudje ki takšno nasilje izvajajo tega pogosto niti ne zavedajo oziroma, se jim zdi nekaj popolnoma normalnega S prejemniki tega nasilja je podobno - kar naredi situacijo na videz sprejemljivo. Pol se pa čudimo ko se nekdo fenta 'brez razloga'.
Life is as complicated as we make it...

BigWhale ::

Relanium je izjavil:

Normalno da sta pamet pa lepota obratno sorazmerni.


A to mas kako peer-reviewed studijo narejeno? Al to kr tko na pamet govoris?
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