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T-h-o-r je 4. feb 2018 ob 00:13 izjavil:

Dejstvo je, da je bil Milgram v svojih poročilih in izsledkih izredno neiskren, kar je dokazala Gina Perry.

Resno? Povzameš njene 'dokaze'?

gus5 je 4. feb 2018 ob 19:32 izjavil:

T-h-o-r je 4. feb 2018 ob 00:13 izjavil:

Dejstvo je, da je bil Milgram v svojih poročilih in izsledkih izredno neiskren, kar je dokazala Gina Perry.

Resno? Povzameš njene 'dokaze'?

Si funkcionalno nepismen, pa rabiš vse prinešeno k ritih? Ajde, naj ti bo.

In 2012, Australian psychologist Gina Perry investigated Milgram's data and writings and concluded that Milgram had manipulated the results, and that there was "troubling mismatch between (published) descriptions of the experiment and evidence of what actually transpired." She wrote that "only half of the people who undertook the experiment fully believed it was real and of those, 66% disobeyed the experimenter

"Over 700 people took part in the experiments. When the news of the experiment was first reported, and the shocking statistic that 65 percent of people went to maximum voltage on the shock machine was reported, very few people, I think, realized then and even realize today that that statistic applied to 26 of 40 people. Of those other 700-odd people, obedience rates varied enormously. In fact, there were variations of the experiment where no one obeyed."

The 65% headline figure, of people who followed the experimenters’ orders and went to the maximum voltage on the shock machine, implies that there was a single experiment. In fact there were 24 different variations, or mini dramas, each with a different script, actors and experimental set up.

It’s surprising how often Milgram’s 24 different variations are wrongly conflated into this single statistic. The 65% result was made famous because it was the first variation that Milgram reported in his first journal article, yet few noted that it was an experiment that involved just 40 subjects.

T-h-o-r je 5. feb 2018 ob 13:55 izjavil:

Znanstvene teze praviloma ne temeljijo le na enem eksperimentu. Milgramov test je bil korektno ponovljen in rezultati so bili podobni, kot jih omenja Milgram. V nekaterih primerih je bil odstotek tistih, ki so šli 'do konca' celo višji.
Btw, prilagajanje avtoritetam je Milgram dokazoval tudi z eksperimentom v dvigalu.
Zaključek: ljudje se podrejajo avtoriteti; ali avtoriteti, ki je utemeljena na politični/ekonomski/družbeni moči, ali pa avtoriteti (absolutne oz. ad hoc) večine. Ljudje so praviloma oportunisti. Že Darwin pa je opazil, da so oportunisti zmagovalci evolucije. Zmagovalci boja za obstanek niso najpametnejši ali najmočnejši, pač pa tisti, ki se najbolje prilagajajo.