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NATO in Rusija
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Pac-Man ::
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
zmaugy ::
Če se v ZDA zgodi kaos na notranje političnem področju, je to edina in sanjska priložnost za Putina, da skine ZDA. Glede na to da je Putin dosegel že vse ostalo kar je možno doseči, se ne bi niti najmanj čudil, če bi tempiral dogodke tako, da bi lahko z enim dobro odmerjenim udarcem šokiral ZDA v kapitulacijo ali izbiro o tem, da mu prepustijo kaj strateško tako pomembnega, da bi to zanje pomenilo konec dominance na svetovni sceni v nekem predvidljivem času in zagotovilo Rusiji svetovno prevlado.
Nesposobnih klovnov na čelu države se ne tolerira brez razlogov in Rusija že ve zakaj je pomagala Trumpu na čelo ZDA.
dominanca rusije ja. Država z bdpjem italije bi dominirala v svetu.
Nekateri hudo precenjujete putina
Rusija je največja država na svetu in je enkrat že obvladovala nesorazmerno veliko držav. To je počela z nasiljem/oboroženo silo in neusmiljenim ravnanjem z državljani podrejenih držav ter seveda s pomočjo trpežnosti Rusov, ki so iz strahu pred oblastjo bili pripravljeni tudi stradati in zmrzovati.
Edino, kar je Rusiji preprečevalo, da bi zasedli celotno Evropo po vojni, so bile ZDA. Zdaj je v ZDA na oblasti človek, ki so mu Rusi pomagali na oblast in ki je v vseh pogledih povsem nesposoben in neprimeren za to funkcijo.
Zaradi notranjih konfliktov lahko v ZDA nastane vakuum na oblasti, ki se ga nedvomno da izkoristiti. NATO je brez ZDA zgolj hišica iz kart, ki se bi v primeru ameriškega oklevanja hitro sesula sama vase.
Nekateri zelo podcenjujete Putina in Rusijo, njegova perspektiva je povsem drugačna od perspektive večine drugih predsednikov, ki imajo omejene mandate in močno opozicijo, on lahko deluje dolgoročno, ker ve da bo na čelu jedrske supersile in največje države na svetu še x mandatov.
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Mr.B ::
Dejte nehat.
Rusija bo v Sirija delovala minimalno in v interesu nje. Recimo testiranje opreme. Vojna s polnim "engagement" pač stane. To vejo po drugi strani zelo dobro Američani. Ceneje je prodajati opremo kot so emirati proti Iranom, yemnom in sirskimi uporniki, ceneje je pošiljati okoli drobne. Večina vojaškega proračuna pokurijo baze in ljudje ki so tam. Recimo Število smrtnih žrtev, zaradi dronov stmoglavo raste, pa se noben ne sekira. Vse skupaj je pač samo $$$. Za vsako stvar se mora Amerika pač zadolžiti, tudi za povišanje porabe vojske se je morala zadolžiti. Kar pa je potrebno vedeti, je morala amerika natisniti dolarje, zato da jih drugi kupijo. Ko drugi nehajo kupovati $$$ pač ne bo pomagal nobena amerika first. Trenutno se stanje vzdržuje samo zato, ker tisti ki so kupili toliko $, nočejo da investicija propade. S trgovinsko vojno, ki se gre amerika, pa pomeni, da bo kupcev $ vedno manj, in cena zadolževanja bo samo rasla.
Da bi Rusija interviral na polno v Siriji, je skoraj ne verjetno. Problem ima tudi, da nima "rusija" dovolj nadzora nad ozemljem, da bi lahko pripeljala konkretno opremo, ker kaj ti pomaga, če ti tam zmerni uporniki, iz 20km oddaljenih položajev, spuščajo bombe. Potem moraš to narediti tako kot Izraelci, pač solzivec nad šolo, narediš tamponsko cono, pa ko boste upali priti čez cono, no veliko sreče.
Po drugi stani, imaš recimo tudi dejsto, da če bo iran odstopil iz jedrskega sporazuma, bo SA kupila jedrske bombe : Saudi Arabia's crown prince has announced his country's readiness to develop nuclear weapons in the event that Iranheads in that direction
Trenutno amerika rabi, tako kot rusija, tako kot Anglija zunanjega sovražnika, kitajska gre pa dalje, pa lepo po koščkih. Sicer bo pa kak Smreki, samuel, pac-man znal bolj obrazložiti, kako pričakuje, da ko na meji rusije postaviš aegis radarje s patriot raketami, nebi pričakoval odgovora. Potem pa jokal, kako se Rusija ne drži dogovorov.
Rusija bo v Sirija delovala minimalno in v interesu nje. Recimo testiranje opreme. Vojna s polnim "engagement" pač stane. To vejo po drugi strani zelo dobro Američani. Ceneje je prodajati opremo kot so emirati proti Iranom, yemnom in sirskimi uporniki, ceneje je pošiljati okoli drobne. Večina vojaškega proračuna pokurijo baze in ljudje ki so tam. Recimo Število smrtnih žrtev, zaradi dronov stmoglavo raste, pa se noben ne sekira. Vse skupaj je pač samo $$$. Za vsako stvar se mora Amerika pač zadolžiti, tudi za povišanje porabe vojske se je morala zadolžiti. Kar pa je potrebno vedeti, je morala amerika natisniti dolarje, zato da jih drugi kupijo. Ko drugi nehajo kupovati $$$ pač ne bo pomagal nobena amerika first. Trenutno se stanje vzdržuje samo zato, ker tisti ki so kupili toliko $, nočejo da investicija propade. S trgovinsko vojno, ki se gre amerika, pa pomeni, da bo kupcev $ vedno manj, in cena zadolževanja bo samo rasla.
Da bi Rusija interviral na polno v Siriji, je skoraj ne verjetno. Problem ima tudi, da nima "rusija" dovolj nadzora nad ozemljem, da bi lahko pripeljala konkretno opremo, ker kaj ti pomaga, če ti tam zmerni uporniki, iz 20km oddaljenih položajev, spuščajo bombe. Potem moraš to narediti tako kot Izraelci, pač solzivec nad šolo, narediš tamponsko cono, pa ko boste upali priti čez cono, no veliko sreče.
Po drugi stani, imaš recimo tudi dejsto, da če bo iran odstopil iz jedrskega sporazuma, bo SA kupila jedrske bombe : Saudi Arabia's crown prince has announced his country's readiness to develop nuclear weapons in the event that Iranheads in that direction
Trenutno amerika rabi, tako kot rusija, tako kot Anglija zunanjega sovražnika, kitajska gre pa dalje, pa lepo po koščkih. Sicer bo pa kak Smreki, samuel, pac-man znal bolj obrazložiti, kako pričakuje, da ko na meji rusije postaviš aegis radarje s patriot raketami, nebi pričakoval odgovora. Potem pa jokal, kako se Rusija ne drži dogovorov.
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Poldi112 ::
Nuke imajo tudi v UK in FR. In menda ne bi mirno gledali, če bi ga rusi srali. Hkrati je gospodarstvo EU daleč pred RU, tako da tudi če odmislimo jedrsko orožje in države zunaj, rusi sami nikakor ne ne morejo "zavzeti celotne evrope".
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Pac-Man ::
A se ti zdi, da Rusija ne bo izkoristila kaosa, ki bi nastal ob tem? Če se to zgodi, pričakuj dogodke na svetovni sceni, ki bojo imeli trajne posledice za cel svet.
Vsekakor bodo kaj poskusili, precej pa bo odvisno od republikancev. Če so razumeli sporočila vmesnih volitev je lahko vse skupaj končano v dnevu ali dveh, sicerp pa se lahko zavleče.
Upam samo, da bodo Javelini že v Ukrajini.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
zmaugy ::
Nuke imajo tudi v UK in FR. In menda ne bi mirno gledali, če bi ga rusi srali. Hkrati je gospodarstvo EU daleč pred RU, tako da tudi če odmislimo jedrsko orožje in države zunaj, rusi sami nikakor ne ne morejo "zavzeti celotne evrope".
Zahodnjaki nimamo želodca da bi prenesli posledice uporabe jedrskega orožja. Če se Rusi odločijo za demonstracijo sile, se bo zahod usral in ustavil.
Konvencionalno Rusi pohodijo evropske vojske, če NATO tudi zgolj začasno ostane brez ameriške podpore.
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zmaugy ::
Sicer bi pa Rusiji zadostovalo že zavzetje Ukrajine, Poljske in Baltskih držav - za začetek (Belorusijo bi si lahko itak kar priključili). Če bi to šlo skozi brez posledic, bi se EU in ostala okolica Rusije posrala.
Zveni znano?
Zveni znano?
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Pac-Man ::
Sam računam na sranje v Ukrajini, Baltik je NATO in 5. člen. Ampak nikoli ne veš.
V drugih novicah - Comeyeva lekcija ni bila dovolj.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/975054348...
BREAKING: AP learns fired FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe maintained personal memos regarding President Donald Trump.
V drugih novicah - Comeyeva lekcija ni bila dovolj.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/975054348...
BREAKING: AP learns fired FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe maintained personal memos regarding President Donald Trump.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
zmaugy ::
NATO z ZDA, kjer je Trump predsednik, je papirnati tiger, sploh če pride do masovnih nemirov, demonstracij, nasilja in anarhije. Centralna točka NATO so ZDA.
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Pac-Man ::
Dismissal of James Comey @ Wikipedia
The Comey memos were first mentioned in a May 16, 2017, New York Times article, published about a week after Trump had dismissed Comey as FBI director, and four days after he had implied on Twitter that his conversations with Comey may have been recorded.[138] The report cited two people who read the memos to the Times reporter.[17] The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post independently reported on the memos' existence.[151][154]
In his testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee on June 8, Comey revealed that he had been the source, through a friend (later revealed to be Columbia Law School professor Daniel Richman), of the public revelation of his February 14 memo. He said he decided to make it public in hopes that it might "prompt the appointment of a special counsel". Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel the next day.[15]
On May 19, another friend of Comey, Lawfare Blog founder Benjamin Wittes, came forward as the principal source for the initial New York Times story.
Wittes je na zelo aktiven twitterju. Tik-tok, ki ga je posvojil Hannity, je njegova ideja.
https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes
Na žalost bo treba it skozi to. Druga možnost je, da se Trumpu pusti ustanoviti Trumpistan po modelu Putinstana in drugih avtoritarnih republik. Lahko mi rečeš optimist, ampak če se Rusija aktivira na Baltiku računam, da ne gre na zahod niti mililiter plina več.
The Comey memos were first mentioned in a May 16, 2017, New York Times article, published about a week after Trump had dismissed Comey as FBI director, and four days after he had implied on Twitter that his conversations with Comey may have been recorded.[138] The report cited two people who read the memos to the Times reporter.[17] The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post independently reported on the memos' existence.[151][154]
In his testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee on June 8, Comey revealed that he had been the source, through a friend (later revealed to be Columbia Law School professor Daniel Richman), of the public revelation of his February 14 memo. He said he decided to make it public in hopes that it might "prompt the appointment of a special counsel". Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel the next day.[15]
On May 19, another friend of Comey, Lawfare Blog founder Benjamin Wittes, came forward as the principal source for the initial New York Times story.
Wittes je na zelo aktiven twitterju. Tik-tok, ki ga je posvojil Hannity, je njegova ideja.
https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes
NATO z ZDA, kjer je Trump predsednik, je papirnati tiger, sploh če pride do masovnih nemirov, demonstracij, nasilja in anarhije.
Na žalost bo treba it skozi to. Druga možnost je, da se Trumpu pusti ustanoviti Trumpistan po modelu Putinstana in drugih avtoritarnih republik. Lahko mi rečeš optimist, ampak če se Rusija aktivira na Baltiku računam, da ne gre na zahod niti mililiter plina več.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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Mr.B ::
Pac-Man,
to se bere BABA KAZALA,
Če bi imel imeli karkoli, bi že zdavnaj dali črno na belem. Torej move on, in se smeši dalje. AL boš dal naslednji vir, baba kazala papirje, samo te še niso prišli do ...
to se bere BABA KAZALA,
n his testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee on June 8, Comey revealed that he had been the source, through a friend (later revealed to be Columbia Law School professor Daniel Richman), of the public revelation of his February 14 memo. He said he decided to make it public in hopes that it might "prompt the appointment of a special counsel
Če bi imel imeli karkoli, bi že zdavnaj dali črno na belem. Torej move on, in se smeši dalje. AL boš dal naslednji vir, baba kazala papirje, samo te še niso prišli do ...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Fritz ::
Nekateri imate pa res domišljija. Baltske države so za Rusijo off-limits, razen če želi neomejeno vojno z zvezo NATO.
Naslednja najmočnejša sila po zatonu ZDA bo Kitajska. Rusija, bi to lahko postala samo pogojno, če bi EU odkantale ZDA in se šle partnerstva z Rusijo in če bi razvoj Kitajske zastal...kar je preveč velikih čejev.
Naslednja najmočnejša sila po zatonu ZDA bo Kitajska. Rusija, bi to lahko postala samo pogojno, če bi EU odkantale ZDA in se šle partnerstva z Rusijo in če bi razvoj Kitajske zastal...kar je preveč velikih čejev.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
Imajo. Obstrukcijo, lenoba.
Dismissal of James Comey @ Wikipedia
One memo referred to an Oval Office meeting on February 14, 2017, during which Comey says Trump attempted to persuade him to abort the investigation into Michael Flynn.[151][17][153] The meeting had begun as a broader national security briefing, the day after Trump had dismissed Flynn as National Security Advisor. Near the conclusion of the briefing, the President asked those in attendance other than Director Comey to leave the room--including Vice President Pence and Attorney General Sessions. He then reportedly said to Comey "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."[17] Comey made no commitments to Trump on the subject.[17]
The White House responded to the allegations by stating that "the president has never asked Mr. Comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn," and "this is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and Mr. Comey."[151]
Dismissal of James Comey @ Wikipedia
One memo referred to an Oval Office meeting on February 14, 2017, during which Comey says Trump attempted to persuade him to abort the investigation into Michael Flynn.[151][17][153] The meeting had begun as a broader national security briefing, the day after Trump had dismissed Flynn as National Security Advisor. Near the conclusion of the briefing, the President asked those in attendance other than Director Comey to leave the room--including Vice President Pence and Attorney General Sessions. He then reportedly said to Comey "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."[17] Comey made no commitments to Trump on the subject.[17]
The White House responded to the allegations by stating that "the president has never asked Mr. Comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn," and "this is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and Mr. Comey."[151]
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Pa nehajte sanjati o nukicah. Uporaba nukic, pomeni end of game, za vse, vključujoč tistega ki jih izstreli. In izmenjava bo v vsakem primeru večja kot kritična meja 100MT. In verjetno, vsei te jedrski reaktorji, ki jih nebi več bili spospobni vzdrževati, počasi ostali brez goriva, in bi začelo goreti. Goreti in goreti. Ali veš koliko ton goriva bi gorelo, ne Chernobil s Fukošimo bi bil pičkin dim. In razen če nimaš hrane za naslednjih 100let, ter seveda infrastrukturo, da bi lahko filtriral vse te radioaktivne delce, no verjetno jih nima nihče.
Od kar ni več, no ne bo več v EU UK, je in se bo nabavljalo več ali manj samo še EU orožje...torej prej ali slej se bo formirala EU vojska.
Če bo pa Amerika pizdila, se bo Putino ob vodki, dogodilo sledeč.
Putin bo dal ukaz EU, da zapre vse ta "aegis radarje" s patriot raketami na meji z rusijo, ker je ZDA DA ZDA rekla da je sedaj sovražnica in da se grejo druga hladna vojno z Rusijo. Ker namen teh raket in radarjev nima funkcije, kot iran je podpisal pogodbo z Rusijo kot EU, da bo prijazen.... Torej je sedaj to v nasprotju z vsemi sporazumi, ki jih je ZDA podpisala z Rusijo, glede jedrskega sporazuma. Torej EU bo dobila na ruske meje recimo Kalibr rakete z jedrskimi konicami. No za te rakete, žal letijo prenizko pridejo komot do Pariza, da bi bili patriot uporaben. In če bodo v EU še preveč pametni, bodo vse te aegis radarje in zraven sedeče patriote, tako preventivno z recimo to non stoppable reketo poslali v luft.
SEj vem, niso nič boljši kot pri JJ-ju, dej no koliko časa je trajalo pri JJ-ju, da je bil prost... Dej babje čenče za kaj drugega uporabi.
Od kar ni več, no ne bo več v EU UK, je in se bo nabavljalo več ali manj samo še EU orožje...torej prej ali slej se bo formirala EU vojska.
Če bo pa Amerika pizdila, se bo Putino ob vodki, dogodilo sledeč.
Putin bo dal ukaz EU, da zapre vse ta "aegis radarje" s patriot raketami na meji z rusijo, ker je ZDA DA ZDA rekla da je sedaj sovražnica in da se grejo druga hladna vojno z Rusijo. Ker namen teh raket in radarjev nima funkcije, kot iran je podpisal pogodbo z Rusijo kot EU, da bo prijazen.... Torej je sedaj to v nasprotju z vsemi sporazumi, ki jih je ZDA podpisala z Rusijo, glede jedrskega sporazuma. Torej EU bo dobila na ruske meje recimo Kalibr rakete z jedrskimi konicami. No za te rakete, žal letijo prenizko pridejo komot do Pariza, da bi bili patriot uporaben. In če bodo v EU še preveč pametni, bodo vse te aegis radarje in zraven sedeče patriote, tako preventivno z recimo to non stoppable reketo poslali v luft.
Imajo. Obstrukcijo, lenoba.
Dismissal of James Comey @ Wikipedia
One memo referred to an Oval Office meeting on February 14, 2017, during which Comey says Trump attempted to persuade him to abort the investigation into Michael Flynn.[151][17][153] The meeting had begun as a broader national security briefing, the day after Trump had dismissed Flynn as National Security Advisor. Near the conclusion of the briefing, the President asked those in attendance other than Director Comey to leave the room--including Vice President Pence and Attorney General Sessions. He then reportedly said to Comey "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."[17] Comey made no commitments to Trump on the subject.[17]
The White House responded to the allegations by stating that "the president has never asked Mr. Comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn," and "this is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and Mr. Comey."[151]
SEj vem, niso nič boljši kot pri JJ-ju, dej no koliko časa je trajalo pri JJ-ju, da je bil prost... Dej babje čenče za kaj drugega uporabi.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
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papasmrk ::
kje spite da vas ne ukradejo?
Pred spanjem obvezno preverim, da se kje ne skriva kak rus. Ko se prepričam, da ni nobenega pa prav mirno zaspim...
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Fritz ::
Torej je sedaj to v nasprotju z vsemi sporazumi, ki jih je ZDA podpisala z Rusijo, glede jedrskega sporazuma. Torej EU bo dobila na ruske meje recimo Kalibr rakete z jedrskimi konicami. No za te rakete, žal letijo prenizko pridejo komot do Pariza, da bi bili patriot uporaben. In če bodo v EU še preveč pametni, bodo vse te aegis radarje in zraven sedeče patriote, tako preventivno z recimo to non stoppable reketo poslali v luft.
Kup nabijanja. ZDA so izstopile iz ABM sporazuma leta 2002 in lahko takšne sisteme postavljajo kolikor hočejo, na nejevoljo RF in Kitajske. Slednji bosta v odgovor na to razvila boljše ofenzivne jedrske zmogljivosti. ZDA bodo potem razvile še boljši ABM. RF in Kitajska še boljše nuke delivery sisteme itn. Kdo je začel to novo hladno vojno in oboroževalno tekmo je jasno..tisti, ki je z izstopom iz ABM sporazuma in postavitvijo le teh povzročil neravnotežje med akterji.
Vsak enostranski napad na ozemlje držav zveze NATO, EU ali na ozemlje RF pomeni vojno, zato se s tem ne opleta oz. to počno adolescenti v zanosu kako ima njihova stran neko superiorno vojaško igračo. Med ZDA, RF in Kitajsko ni superiorne strani, ki bi preživela jedrski konflikt med tema državama oz. bolje povedano, tega ne bi nihče preživel.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
zmaugy ::
Nihče ne bo začel spopada z Rusijo, če bojo njeni tanki v dveh dneh pregazili na primer Litvo. Ravno iz razloga, ki si ga navedel, sploh če Dimitrij Trump ne bo dal ukaza.
Posledica: NATO se razpade kot hiša iz kart.
Posledica: NATO se razpade kot hiša iz kart.
zmaugy ::
Medtem Trump za svojega glavnega ekonomskega svetovalca najel ultimativnega kretena:
Rusi si res lahko čestitajo, dobro so zajahali butaste Američane.
Rusi si res lahko čestitajo, dobro so zajahali butaste Američane.
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Pac-Man ::
Če se je kdo ravno zavalil izpod skale - v Rusiji danes potekajo predsedniške volitve. Ta račun prevaja poročila iz Ruščine. Samo zadnja ura, za videe in fotke klikni
https://twitter.com/everyvoteutake
One more ballot-box stuffing. Now in Dagestan.
Chechnya again. Officials don't allow observers to take pics and videos. They're trying to steal phones (like in Dagestan).
Lobnya, Moscow region. Man is trying to put two vote-papers in the ballot-box.
Organized crowd in Chechnya. People are visiting voting stations during specific time-wawes.
Moscow region. Results from one of the ballot-boxes won’t be counted after the scandal with stuffing. BUT there’re hundreds of such situations!
On of the volunteers in Michurinsk (Tambov) was threatened with dismissal for being the independent observer. Here is the recording of what his boss says
Absolute lawlessness in Dagestan. On V St 1126 the group of sportsmen (wrestlers) has entered the station and made a ballot-box stuffing, stole all the equipment (laptop, cellphone) observers had. One of the observers was taken and held somewhere until they finished stuffing.
Grozny, Chechnya. The number of voters, according to officials - 1236 while according to independent observers there were 430 voters.
7 buses with 600 people (probably civil servants) are used to bring people to the voting stations in Cherepovets city. They might get fired for not voting>
One more attack on observers in Dagestan (V St 1125) On V St 1008 observer was detained by police On many other V St-s observers are just being forced to go away by workers of the Election Commitee.
Moscow. The visit of the voting station is provided by buses for civil servants. Many of them are voting involuntarily.
Lists of voters are falsified in Kemerovo! Information has come from the local observer.
Je pa zanimivo, da so (vsa?) volišča pod webkamerami.
https://twitter.com/everyvoteutake
One more ballot-box stuffing. Now in Dagestan.
Chechnya again. Officials don't allow observers to take pics and videos. They're trying to steal phones (like in Dagestan).
Lobnya, Moscow region. Man is trying to put two vote-papers in the ballot-box.
Organized crowd in Chechnya. People are visiting voting stations during specific time-wawes.
Moscow region. Results from one of the ballot-boxes won’t be counted after the scandal with stuffing. BUT there’re hundreds of such situations!
On of the volunteers in Michurinsk (Tambov) was threatened with dismissal for being the independent observer. Here is the recording of what his boss says
Absolute lawlessness in Dagestan. On V St 1126 the group of sportsmen (wrestlers) has entered the station and made a ballot-box stuffing, stole all the equipment (laptop, cellphone) observers had. One of the observers was taken and held somewhere until they finished stuffing.
Grozny, Chechnya. The number of voters, according to officials - 1236 while according to independent observers there were 430 voters.
7 buses with 600 people (probably civil servants) are used to bring people to the voting stations in Cherepovets city. They might get fired for not voting>
One more attack on observers in Dagestan (V St 1125) On V St 1008 observer was detained by police On many other V St-s observers are just being forced to go away by workers of the Election Commitee.
Moscow. The visit of the voting station is provided by buses for civil servants. Many of them are voting involuntarily.
Lists of voters are falsified in Kemerovo! Information has come from the local observer.
Je pa zanimivo, da so (vsa?) volišča pod webkamerami.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Vazelin ::
Mah volitve v rusiji so zaradi lepšega. Samo kretenčku to ni jasno
V tako avtoritarni državi so volitve posmeh. Pač jutri se bo na veliko hvalil Putin v medijih kaka gazda da je
V tako avtoritarni državi so volitve posmeh. Pač jutri se bo na veliko hvalil Putin v medijih kaka gazda da je
Fritz ::
Nihče ne bo začel spopada z Rusijo, če bojo njeni tanki v dveh dneh pregazili na primer Litvo. Ravno iz razloga, ki si ga navedel, sploh če Dimitrij Trump ne bo dal ukaza.
Posledica: NATO se razpade kot hiša iz kart.
Zelo zanimivo razmišljanje. Ne glede na to, kaj si mislim o NATU, je takšno podcenjevanje ekstremno kratkovidno.
Organizacija, ki obstaja že 60 let in katere bistvo je kolektivna obramba bo, po tvojem, prej razpadla kot branila napadeno državo članico? Me prav zanima od kod takšno prepričanje, glede na to, da so določene stvari v NATO pogodbi že določene in niso stvar naknadnih odločitev in parlamentiranja. Tukaj ne govorimo o posameznem kemičnem napadu v Salisburyu, kjer so krivci Rusi, ali pa morda ne. Vojaški napad na članico zveze NATO s strani tretje države je popolnoma jasna reč in popolnoma jasno je kaj temu sledi.
Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Vazelin ::
Putin ni tako neumen da neposredno napade članico nata. Ga bodo oligarhi spametovali brez skrbi.
Fritz ::
Mah volitve v rusiji so zaradi lepšega. Samo kretenčku to ni jasno
V tako avtoritarni državi so volitve posmeh. Pač jutri se bo na veliko hvalil Putin v medijih kaka gazda da je
A to tako kot v ZDA kjer se skupina oligarhov dogovori, kdo bo smel tekmovati in medijsko ter drugače izločijo nekega Sandersa in neodvisne kandidate, še preden bi lahko dejansko pretendirali na prestol?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Vazelin ::
Tam imaš vsaj odkrit boj med dvema. V rusiji imaš odkrit boj med putinom in ničemer..
Je velika razlika. Če te razlike ne vidiš .. no comment oz. Trollaš.
Niti približno ni isto. Tudi dvomim da grozijo ljudem da morajo volit drugače papa služba in podobno.
Ko je edina skrb oblasti ali bo dovolj visoka udeležba ti je marsikaj jasno
Je velika razlika. Če te razlike ne vidiš .. no comment oz. Trollaš.
Niti približno ni isto. Tudi dvomim da grozijo ljudem da morajo volit drugače papa služba in podobno.
Ko je edina skrb oblasti ali bo dovolj visoka udeležba ti je marsikaj jasno
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Vazelin ()
Mr.B ::
Tam imaš vsaj odkrit boj med dvema. V rusiji imaš odkrit boj med putinom in ničemer..
Je velika razlika. Če te razlike ne vidiš .. no comment oz. Trollaš.
Niti približno ni isto. Tudi dvomim da grozijo ljudem da morajo volit drugače papa služba in podobno.
Ko je edina skrb oblasti ali bo dovolj visoka udeležba ti je marsikaj jasno
Kdo je v Ameriki v zadnjih desetil letih največ exportiral ...
No ni Trumpi.
Republikanci in Demokrati so isti k., zato pa folk voli ala Trumpi, ki jim obljublja s partizansko čepico, z rdečo zveszo mahajočo zastavo, nekaj kar ne more uresničiti, pa lahko zgradi n zidov in exportiral alienov v druge države.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
zmaugy ::
.Nihče ne bo začel spopada z Rusijo, če bojo njeni tanki v dveh dneh pregazili na primer Litvo. Ravno iz razloga, ki si ga navedel, sploh če Dimitrij Trump ne bo dal ukaza.
Posledica: NATO se razpade kot hiša iz kart.
Zelo zanimivo razmišljanje. Ne glede na to, kaj si mislim o NATU, je takšno podcenjevanje ekstremno kratkovidno.
Organizacija, ki obstaja že 60 let in katere bistvo je kolektivna obramba bo, po tvojem, prej razpadla kot branila napadeno državo članico? Me prav zanima od kod takšno prepričanje, glede na to, da so določene stvari v NATO pogodbi že določene in niso stvar naknadnih odločitev in parlamentiranja. Tukaj ne govorimo o posameznem kemičnem napadu v Salisburyu, kjer so krivci Rusi, ali pa morda ne. Vojaški napad na članico zveze NATO s strani tretje države je popolnoma jasna reč in popolnoma jasno je kaj temu sledi.
Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
Vemo kakšne varnostne garancije so bile dane Ukrajini s strani ZDA za njeno jedrsko razorožitev. In? So ZDA napadle Rusijo zaradi okupacije in aneksiranja Krima? Niso. Zahod nima želodca za trpljenje, zato se nihče ne bo spopadal z Rusi zaradi ene “brezvezne” Litve, ki je niti ne najdejo na zemljevidu.
Mr.B ::
Lažje je prodajat opremo, kao da bo trajalo malo dlje. Poljaki že jamrajo ob ceni Patriota. Izraelce so tud skenslali, dokler njihov radarski sistem ne bo možno integrirat z NATO sistemi. Pa na bližnji vzhod so tudi zmetali, no so kupili orožja. Vojne stanejo. Na Ukrajino lahko pozabiti, ozemlje bo in ostaja rusko. Razen če mislite da je Ukrajina sposobna sama zoperstaviti Rusiji. No donacij orožja bo polno, ker Ukrajina kaj resnega ne more kupiti.
Po drugi strani ima pa sedaj Putin dve leti časa , da pripelje v krstah tut kaj več ruskih soldatov iz Sirije.
Po drugi strani ima pa sedaj Putin dve leti časa , da pripelje v krstah tut kaj več ruskih soldatov iz Sirije.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inve...
Independent investigators from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will arrive in the UK tomorrow to kick off their investigation into the nerve agent used in the attempted assassinations of Mr Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury on 4 March.
The team from The Hague will meet with officials from the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory and the police to discuss the process for collecting samples, including environmental ones.
These will then be despatched to highly reputable international laboratories selected by the OPCW for testing with results expected to take a minimum of two weeks.
...
On 12 March the Foreign Secretary summoned the Russian Ambassador and sought an explanation from the Russian Government, as Article 9 of the convention is clear we have the right to do. We received no meaningful response. It is therefore Russia which is failing to comply with the provisions of the convention. We should resist any Russian attempts to muddy the waters.
...
The Foreign Secretary revealed this morning that we have information indicating that within the last decade, Russia has investigated ways of delivering nerve agents likely for assassination. And part of this programme has involved producing and stockpiling quantities of novichok. This is a violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Medtem se gre ruska ambasada memetsko vojskovanje.
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/stat...
Independent investigators from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will arrive in the UK tomorrow to kick off their investigation into the nerve agent used in the attempted assassinations of Mr Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury on 4 March.
The team from The Hague will meet with officials from the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory and the police to discuss the process for collecting samples, including environmental ones.
These will then be despatched to highly reputable international laboratories selected by the OPCW for testing with results expected to take a minimum of two weeks.
...
On 12 March the Foreign Secretary summoned the Russian Ambassador and sought an explanation from the Russian Government, as Article 9 of the convention is clear we have the right to do. We received no meaningful response. It is therefore Russia which is failing to comply with the provisions of the convention. We should resist any Russian attempts to muddy the waters.
...
The Foreign Secretary revealed this morning that we have information indicating that within the last decade, Russia has investigated ways of delivering nerve agents likely for assassination. And part of this programme has involved producing and stockpiling quantities of novichok. This is a violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Medtem se gre ruska ambasada memetsko vojskovanje.
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/stat...
In absence of evidence, we definitely need Poirot in Salisbury!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Pac-Man ()
Mr.B ::
O to se pa razume, kot da nekomu ni ravno pet čistih jasnih.
Russia has been stockpiling the nerve agent used in the attack on an ex-spy and his daughter over the last decade, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson says.
Russia has been stockpiling the nerve agent used in the attack on an ex-spy and his daughter over the last decade, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson says.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Kasparov.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-truth...
On March 18, the popular leader of Russia, Vladimir Putin, will be reelected to another six-year term as president. This is both a plain statement of fact and a complete falsehood.
...
But let us turn to the first lie in that opening sentence, that Putin is being elected on March 18. There is no real selection taking place. When I retired from professional chess in 2005 to join the Russian pro-democracy movement against Putin, I was frequently asked how my chess experience might help me in politics. My answer was that it wouldn’t help much at all, because in chess we had fixed rules and uncertain results, while in Russian politics it was exactly the opposite.
...
Even calling Putin a “president” is at best inaccurate and abominable propaganda at worst. A president is “the elected head of a republican state” according to my dictionary, while Putin isn’t elected and Russia isn’t a republic. He may have been a president when he first came to power in 2000, that I will grant. But since 2012, when he returned to the presidency, unconstitutionally, (...), there has been no doubt at all that Putin should simply be called a dictator.
Let’s move on to the next major lie in my opening statement, the idea of Putin’s popularity in Russia. (...) Terms like “polls” and “popularity” as applied to politicians in the free world have very different meanings in authoritarian regimes. I’m fond of asking in response to questions about Putin’s “popularity” if a restaurant is popular if it’s the only one in town and every other restaurant was burned to the ground.
This is not to say that a dictator or his policies cannot have popular support. The problem is defining what support means after 18 years of a personality cult and 24/7 propaganda that portrays Putin as a demigod protecting Russia from deadly enemies without and within. A year of fake news trolling and half-baked social media memes had half of America and its vaunted media running in circles in 2016.
...
If he and his policies were truly popular, in the real sense of the word, he wouldn’t need to spend so much time and effort dominating the media, eliminating rivals, and rigging elections large and small. Persecuting bloggers and arresting a single protester standing in the town square with an anti-Putin sign does not strike me as the behavior of a ruler who believes in his own popularity.
...
It is a testament to the bravery of many of my countrymen that Putin does not yet receive the 99 percent approval scores that Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi enjoyed up until the minute they no longer had the power of life and death over their own citizens.
...
Most previous elections followed a formula of including one Communist and one Nationalist candidate to frame Putin as the moderate protecting Russia and the world from these dangerous extremes. It says quite a bit about how tired this tactic has become that the Nationalist being trotted out, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, first ran for president against Yeltsin in 1991.
...
The Communist bogeyman wasn’t just a prop back in 1996, when many liberals, including me, made the profound mistake of supporting Boris Yeltsin against Zyuganov to the point of turning a blind eye to Yeltsin’s abuse of power to win the election. He did lasting damage to Russia’s democratic institutions. (...) Russians had been under the illusion that democracy would lead directly to a better standard of living, as if ballot boxes were ATMs. The free Russian press—yes, one existed for a while, yellow and raucous as it was—enjoyed blasting Yeltsin as a lackey of our former archenemy, America. Many Russians were starting to wonder if a return to communism would really be so bad.
...
Yeltsin was saved in 1996, at the high cost of failing to build up the strong democratic institutions the country desperately needed. Four years later, a leader far more ruthless and anti-democratic came along, and Putin found it all too easy to bend and break these feeble institutions. It’s still unfathomable that Russia went from joyously celebrating the end of totalitarianism to electing a KGB lieutenant-colonel in just nine years. Never take your liberty for granted, and be careful whom you vote for because it may be the last election you’ll ever have.
...
That 2012 presidential election took place in the shadow of the largest Russian political protests of the post-Soviet era.
...
It is easy to say in hindsight that this was our opportunity to risk all. Had we set up a camp that day, would the people have supported us in demanding new elections? Had we marched to Red Square, would a million Muscovites have come out to join us in demanding Putin’s exit? We’ll never know. In chess, we say that the player with the initiative is obliged to attack, otherwise the initiative will be lost and the counterattack will likely be decisive. In December 2011, we had the initiative, but we did not attack. Putin did not make the same mistake.
...
Putin’s gloves were off. By spring 2013, I understood that I could not return safely to Russia, and I joined my wife and daughter permanently in New York. In February 2015, the opposition leader Boris Nemtsov was gunned down in front of the Kremlin.
The implicit, or even explicit, offer made by authoritarians is stability in exchange for liberty. High oil prices allowed Putin to keep this bargain for a while, aided by an international community that lost interest in promoting liberty as soon as the Berlin Wall fell. (...) Imagine how difficult it was for us in Russia to attack Putin’s regime as undemocratic while he was being embraced by the leaders of the free world. Even Putin’s invasion of neighboring Georgia in August 2008 resulted in no censure or sanction. He was rewarded by Obama and Hillary Clinton’s reset a few months later, confirming to him that a move into Ukraine would also go unchallenged.
...
The vile anti-American and anti-E.U. rhetoric in the Russian media reached new levels of hatred and fear-mongering. Only recently have Americans and Europeans seen up close how much damage these toxic disinformation campaigns can do even in small doses, but Russians have been immersed in them for years. Every channel, every paper, every online forum and social platform—it’s a barrage, a flood of poison.
This isn’t the old Communist scheme of heavy-handed state censorship and official party lines. (...) Nor is it the labor-intensive “Great Firewall of China” model of real-time censorship and high-tech filtering. Befitting Putin’s KGB roots, he instead built an alternate reality of propaganda, one in which there are hundreds of sources and opinions that all may contain elements of fact and fiction while always making sure to keep the larger truths well hidden—and reinforcing support for Putin above all.
The clearest example of this method in action was the Kremlin’s response to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014. It didn’t take long to determine that MH17 was downed by a Russian-operated BUK antiaircraft missile battery inside Ukrainian territory. If you have any doubts about this at all, it is testament to how effective the Kremlin disinformation campaign has been at sowing doubt. By this point, we have everything from radio intercepts to visual identification of the actual BUK battery being moved back and forth across the Ukrainian border.
Issuing denials and attacking all the evidence was only a small part of the Russian response. Most of the effort instead went into churning out alternative scenarios about what had happened to MH17.
...
There are an infinite number of ways to lie and only one truth. Propaganda today is not a wall, not a dike holding back information from reaching the people. It is a flood, overwhelming our critical thinking. The concept is not to promote a particular narrative or agenda but to create doubt and to make people believe that the truth is unknowable.
...
Last week’s attempted assassination with a nerve agent of a former Russian spy in England reminds us that Putin is willing to poison bodies in the free world, not only minds. Why would he do this? Why would he call attention to his murderous ways now? Well, I’ll turn that around and ask instead, why wouldn’t he? Dictators don’t ask “Why,” they ask “Why not?” Putin killed FSB whistleblower Alexander Litvinenko with a radioactive isotope in the center of London in 2006, and what price did he pay? Three British prime ministers collaborated in hushing up the investigation in order not to offend Putin and shut down the countless billions in Russian cash that has flooded Britain in the last decades. After 18 years in power, Putin believes he can buy or bully his way out of anything. Will anyone prove him wrong?
Putin will push until he is pushed back. This will only take will from the West, and the methods exist. Putin cannot afford a geopolitical defeat that would make him look weak in front of his cronies in Russia. Targeted sanctions like the Magnitsky Act can force Putin’s gang to choose between their loyalty to him and their riches abroad. Isolation and deterrence work, and they are more likely to avoid war than the current track of appeasement. Like any bully, Putin only picks fights that he is sure he can win. History tells us that sooner or later, he will become so overconfident, so accustomed to his opponents folding their cards against his weak hand, that he will overstep, potentially resulting in a catastrophe on a global scale.
...
There is no form of democratic process or opposition in Putin’s Russia. Pretending otherwise makes you complicit in his propaganda. Stop calling them elections. Stop calling Putin a president. Stop calling to congratulate him on his victories. Let us begin the fight against Putin’s lies with the fundamental truth about what he really is.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-truth...
On March 18, the popular leader of Russia, Vladimir Putin, will be reelected to another six-year term as president. This is both a plain statement of fact and a complete falsehood.
...
But let us turn to the first lie in that opening sentence, that Putin is being elected on March 18. There is no real selection taking place. When I retired from professional chess in 2005 to join the Russian pro-democracy movement against Putin, I was frequently asked how my chess experience might help me in politics. My answer was that it wouldn’t help much at all, because in chess we had fixed rules and uncertain results, while in Russian politics it was exactly the opposite.
...
Even calling Putin a “president” is at best inaccurate and abominable propaganda at worst. A president is “the elected head of a republican state” according to my dictionary, while Putin isn’t elected and Russia isn’t a republic. He may have been a president when he first came to power in 2000, that I will grant. But since 2012, when he returned to the presidency, unconstitutionally, (...), there has been no doubt at all that Putin should simply be called a dictator.
Let’s move on to the next major lie in my opening statement, the idea of Putin’s popularity in Russia. (...) Terms like “polls” and “popularity” as applied to politicians in the free world have very different meanings in authoritarian regimes. I’m fond of asking in response to questions about Putin’s “popularity” if a restaurant is popular if it’s the only one in town and every other restaurant was burned to the ground.
This is not to say that a dictator or his policies cannot have popular support. The problem is defining what support means after 18 years of a personality cult and 24/7 propaganda that portrays Putin as a demigod protecting Russia from deadly enemies without and within. A year of fake news trolling and half-baked social media memes had half of America and its vaunted media running in circles in 2016.
...
If he and his policies were truly popular, in the real sense of the word, he wouldn’t need to spend so much time and effort dominating the media, eliminating rivals, and rigging elections large and small. Persecuting bloggers and arresting a single protester standing in the town square with an anti-Putin sign does not strike me as the behavior of a ruler who believes in his own popularity.
...
It is a testament to the bravery of many of my countrymen that Putin does not yet receive the 99 percent approval scores that Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi enjoyed up until the minute they no longer had the power of life and death over their own citizens.
...
Most previous elections followed a formula of including one Communist and one Nationalist candidate to frame Putin as the moderate protecting Russia and the world from these dangerous extremes. It says quite a bit about how tired this tactic has become that the Nationalist being trotted out, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, first ran for president against Yeltsin in 1991.
...
The Communist bogeyman wasn’t just a prop back in 1996, when many liberals, including me, made the profound mistake of supporting Boris Yeltsin against Zyuganov to the point of turning a blind eye to Yeltsin’s abuse of power to win the election. He did lasting damage to Russia’s democratic institutions. (...) Russians had been under the illusion that democracy would lead directly to a better standard of living, as if ballot boxes were ATMs. The free Russian press—yes, one existed for a while, yellow and raucous as it was—enjoyed blasting Yeltsin as a lackey of our former archenemy, America. Many Russians were starting to wonder if a return to communism would really be so bad.
...
Yeltsin was saved in 1996, at the high cost of failing to build up the strong democratic institutions the country desperately needed. Four years later, a leader far more ruthless and anti-democratic came along, and Putin found it all too easy to bend and break these feeble institutions. It’s still unfathomable that Russia went from joyously celebrating the end of totalitarianism to electing a KGB lieutenant-colonel in just nine years. Never take your liberty for granted, and be careful whom you vote for because it may be the last election you’ll ever have.
...
That 2012 presidential election took place in the shadow of the largest Russian political protests of the post-Soviet era.
...
It is easy to say in hindsight that this was our opportunity to risk all. Had we set up a camp that day, would the people have supported us in demanding new elections? Had we marched to Red Square, would a million Muscovites have come out to join us in demanding Putin’s exit? We’ll never know. In chess, we say that the player with the initiative is obliged to attack, otherwise the initiative will be lost and the counterattack will likely be decisive. In December 2011, we had the initiative, but we did not attack. Putin did not make the same mistake.
...
Putin’s gloves were off. By spring 2013, I understood that I could not return safely to Russia, and I joined my wife and daughter permanently in New York. In February 2015, the opposition leader Boris Nemtsov was gunned down in front of the Kremlin.
The implicit, or even explicit, offer made by authoritarians is stability in exchange for liberty. High oil prices allowed Putin to keep this bargain for a while, aided by an international community that lost interest in promoting liberty as soon as the Berlin Wall fell. (...) Imagine how difficult it was for us in Russia to attack Putin’s regime as undemocratic while he was being embraced by the leaders of the free world. Even Putin’s invasion of neighboring Georgia in August 2008 resulted in no censure or sanction. He was rewarded by Obama and Hillary Clinton’s reset a few months later, confirming to him that a move into Ukraine would also go unchallenged.
...
The vile anti-American and anti-E.U. rhetoric in the Russian media reached new levels of hatred and fear-mongering. Only recently have Americans and Europeans seen up close how much damage these toxic disinformation campaigns can do even in small doses, but Russians have been immersed in them for years. Every channel, every paper, every online forum and social platform—it’s a barrage, a flood of poison.
This isn’t the old Communist scheme of heavy-handed state censorship and official party lines. (...) Nor is it the labor-intensive “Great Firewall of China” model of real-time censorship and high-tech filtering. Befitting Putin’s KGB roots, he instead built an alternate reality of propaganda, one in which there are hundreds of sources and opinions that all may contain elements of fact and fiction while always making sure to keep the larger truths well hidden—and reinforcing support for Putin above all.
The clearest example of this method in action was the Kremlin’s response to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014. It didn’t take long to determine that MH17 was downed by a Russian-operated BUK antiaircraft missile battery inside Ukrainian territory. If you have any doubts about this at all, it is testament to how effective the Kremlin disinformation campaign has been at sowing doubt. By this point, we have everything from radio intercepts to visual identification of the actual BUK battery being moved back and forth across the Ukrainian border.
Issuing denials and attacking all the evidence was only a small part of the Russian response. Most of the effort instead went into churning out alternative scenarios about what had happened to MH17.
...
There are an infinite number of ways to lie and only one truth. Propaganda today is not a wall, not a dike holding back information from reaching the people. It is a flood, overwhelming our critical thinking. The concept is not to promote a particular narrative or agenda but to create doubt and to make people believe that the truth is unknowable.
...
Last week’s attempted assassination with a nerve agent of a former Russian spy in England reminds us that Putin is willing to poison bodies in the free world, not only minds. Why would he do this? Why would he call attention to his murderous ways now? Well, I’ll turn that around and ask instead, why wouldn’t he? Dictators don’t ask “Why,” they ask “Why not?” Putin killed FSB whistleblower Alexander Litvinenko with a radioactive isotope in the center of London in 2006, and what price did he pay? Three British prime ministers collaborated in hushing up the investigation in order not to offend Putin and shut down the countless billions in Russian cash that has flooded Britain in the last decades. After 18 years in power, Putin believes he can buy or bully his way out of anything. Will anyone prove him wrong?
Putin will push until he is pushed back. This will only take will from the West, and the methods exist. Putin cannot afford a geopolitical defeat that would make him look weak in front of his cronies in Russia. Targeted sanctions like the Magnitsky Act can force Putin’s gang to choose between their loyalty to him and their riches abroad. Isolation and deterrence work, and they are more likely to avoid war than the current track of appeasement. Like any bully, Putin only picks fights that he is sure he can win. History tells us that sooner or later, he will become so overconfident, so accustomed to his opponents folding their cards against his weak hand, that he will overstep, potentially resulting in a catastrophe on a global scale.
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There is no form of democratic process or opposition in Putin’s Russia. Pretending otherwise makes you complicit in his propaganda. Stop calling them elections. Stop calling Putin a president. Stop calling to congratulate him on his victories. Let us begin the fight against Putin’s lies with the fundamental truth about what he really is.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Pac-Man,
sej Tita v sloveniji še edno poveličujete. No nekateri. Zuna se vedno govori o diktatorju. Torej kaj boš ti govoril kdo je Putin za Ruski narod in Rusijo.
sej Tita v sloveniji še edno poveličujete. No nekateri. Zuna se vedno govori o diktatorju. Torej kaj boš ti govoril kdo je Putin za Ruski narod in Rusijo.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Zgodovina sprememb…
- predlagal izbris: Iatromantis ()
Pac-Man ::
Garry Kasparov je Rus.
In Hrvat :)
In Hrvat :)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Pac-Man ()
Mr.B ::
Če ste slučajno pričakovali drugače...ali ...
A Russian state exit poll gave him 73.9% of the vote, easily defeating his closest competitor.
No pa bomo videli, koliko bo to vplivalo na eskalacijo v Siriji...
A Russian state exit poll gave him 73.9% of the vote, easily defeating his closest competitor.
No pa bomo videli, koliko bo to vplivalo na eskalacijo v Siriji...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
zmaugy ::
Smo mislili, da so se ljudje iz Nuremberških procesov kaj naučili, ampak ne. Kandidatka za šefico CIA je sodelovala pri mučenju zapornikov.
Nekateri republikanski gnoji to opravičujejo na način kot so svoja grozodejstva opravičevali nacisti - izpolnjevanje ukazov. V Nurembergu to ni bila uspešna obrambna taktika.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/13/poli...
In Oranžni tako osebo predlaga za visok položaj namesto v kazenski postopek?
Nemčija zahteva izročitev te zločinke:
Mr.B ::
Pač ne bo preveč hodila v EU.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Impičment bi znal biti hiter. Na koncu morajo republikanci skrbeti tudi za brand stranke in svoje stolčke. MAGA idioti niso dovolj.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-...
Republicans to Trump: Let Mueller do his job
Republican senators warned President Donald Trump on Sunday not to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and said the president must let federal investigators looking into Russian meddling in the U.S. election do their jobs.
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Republican Senator Jeff Flake, who has criticized Trump harshly, said the president’s latest comments appeared to be aimed at the firing of Mueller. Senator Lindsey Graham, another Republican, said if Trump were to dismiss Mueller it would mark “the beginning of the end of his presidency.”
AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan, said: “As the speaker has always said, Mr. Mueller and his team should be able to do their job.”
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Republican U.S. Representative Trey Gowdy criticized Dowd in an interview with “Fox News Sunday.”
“I think the president’s attorney, frankly, does him a disservice when he says that and when he frames the investigation that way,” Gowdy said. “If you have an innocent client, Mr. Dowd, act like it.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: Pac-Man ()
zmaugy ::
Pač ne bo preveč hodila v EU.
No, ne vem komu še ni jasno, da so ZDPA sovražnik EU, ki je v času Obame poskrbel, da smo se skregali z Rusi, prejeli več kot milijon migrantov, ki so zamajali EU in zdaj na svoje top pozicije imenuje tudi zločince, ki jih EU želi procesirati.
Tega zadnjega Obama verjetno ne bi naredil, ker bi hotel ohraniti videz da smo zavezniki. Trump je na srečo dovolj butast, da ga to ne ovira. In s tem lahko Evropejci vidimo povsem brez skrivanja malce za zaveso - to kar vodilni politiki EU vedo verjetno že dolgo, ampak ne znajo ali ne morejo na prepričljiv način povedati svojim volilcem.
No, zdaj lahko.
zmaugy ::
Se je treba vprašati, kdo je začel sranje.
Sicer pa, imenovanje te ženske na čelo CIA, kljub temu da je v eni od pomembnih "zaveznic" in eni od najpomembnejših držav na svetu iskana oseba - osumljena zločinov, je signal, ki bi ga morali prepoznati tudi povsem politično slepi.
Sicer pa, imenovanje te ženske na čelo CIA, kljub temu da je v eni od pomembnih "zaveznic" in eni od najpomembnejših držav na svetu iskana oseba - osumljena zločinov, je signal, ki bi ga morali prepoznati tudi povsem politično slepi.
Jarno ::
Se je treba vprašati, kdo je začel sranje.
Sicer pa, imenovanje te ženske na čelo CIA, kljub temu da je v eni od pomembnih "zaveznic" in eni od najpomembnejših držav na svetu iskana oseba - osumljena zločinov, je signal, ki bi ga morali prepoznati tudi povsem politično slepi.
Prosim bodi malce bolj specifičen.
A je šlo za random mučenja ali pa morda za posebne zasliševalske taktike?
#65W!
Vazelin ::
zmaugy: Putin se je s Krimom totalno precenil. Ni pričakoval takšen odziv Zahoda (recimo ko je šlo za južno Osetijo in Abhazijo je bilo povsem drugače). Sankcije mu zagotovo predstavljajo nočno moro. Žal so rusi preneumni, da bi povezali, da zaradi nacionalističnega sranja Putina vsi živijo precej slabše, kot bi sicer. Rusija je plačala in bo še plačevala zelo visoko ceno.
zmaugy ::
Rusi niso nič bolj neumni od Američanov. Putin ima v rokah vse medije, nasprotnike zapre ali ubije, kaj pričakuješ od ljudi?
Butasta večina (ki je enaka v vseh državah) se pusti nasrat medijem in ga voli. Ker so prebutasti ali preleni/prekamot, da bi se lahko šlo politiko, nimajo nobene tovrstne izkušnje s sistemom, kar malega pa pride do njih, jim pa v možgane vgradi signal "Fuj to!" za politično angažiranje.
In lepo kot zombiji žrejo vodko, gledajo TV in hodijo v službo.
Putina sankcije zgolj motivirajo, za EU so slabe. Če sprejmem tvojo logiko - regime change v Ukrajini je bila poteza, s podporo katere smo se v EU totalno precenili in se zajebali.
Malo počekiraj koledar dogodkov v EU po tem.
Butasta večina (ki je enaka v vseh državah) se pusti nasrat medijem in ga voli. Ker so prebutasti ali preleni/prekamot, da bi se lahko šlo politiko, nimajo nobene tovrstne izkušnje s sistemom, kar malega pa pride do njih, jim pa v možgane vgradi signal "Fuj to!" za politično angažiranje.
In lepo kot zombiji žrejo vodko, gledajo TV in hodijo v službo.
Putina sankcije zgolj motivirajo, za EU so slabe. Če sprejmem tvojo logiko - regime change v Ukrajini je bila poteza, s podporo katere smo se v EU totalno precenili in se zajebali.
Malo počekiraj koledar dogodkov v EU po tem.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: zmaugy ()
zmaugy ::
Se je treba vprašati, kdo je začel sranje.
Sicer pa, imenovanje te ženske na čelo CIA, kljub temu da je v eni od pomembnih "zaveznic" in eni od najpomembnejših držav na svetu iskana oseba - osumljena zločinov, je signal, ki bi ga morali prepoznati tudi povsem politično slepi.
Prosim bodi malce bolj specifičen.
A je šlo za random mučenja ali pa morda za posebne zasliševalske taktike?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr...
Šlo je za uporabo waterboardinga v tajnem zaporu, ki ga je vodila.
Mr.B ::
Diktator v Rusiji ni niti najmanjši krivec, da je EU skregana z rusi?
Takoj ko boš priznal da je bil Tito diktator.
PS : no sej se lahko izgovarjaš, da je bil itak rus, kr ga je Stalin zamenjal..
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Jarno ::
Zgleda, da je to neka administrativna zadeva, saj je taktike oddobril takratni predsednik ZDA.
Bolj zaskrbljujoče so posledice 9/11 napadov, saj zaradi njih počasi trpi več kot 5000 nedolžnih ljudi.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/15/heal...
Bolj zaskrbljujoče so posledice 9/11 napadov, saj zaradi njih počasi trpi več kot 5000 nedolžnih ljudi.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/15/heal...
#65W!
Mr.B ::
Zgleda, da je to neka administrativna zadeva, saj je taktike oddobril takratni predsednik ZDA.
Bolj zaskrbljujoče so posledice 9/11 napadov, saj zaradi njih počasi trpi več kot 5000 nedolžnih ljudi.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/15/heal...
Obama je rekel da so delali v dobro Amerike, zato so jih no so jim dali imuniteto. Kdo smo pa mi, da bi lahko temu oporekali. Teh 5000 je majhen delež. Poglej koliko smrtnih žrtev Amerikaci priznavajo zaradi napaodv z droni, no bore malo.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
zmaugy ::
Zgleda, da je to neka administrativna zadeva, saj je taktike oddobril takratni predsednik ZDA.
Bolj zaskrbljujoče so posledice 9/11 napadov, saj zaradi njih počasi trpi več kot 5000 nedolžnih ljudi.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/15/heal...
In kaj potem, če je predsednik Moron Bush odobril te zločinske taktike? Na Nuremberških procesih obramba “sem samo izpolnjeval ukaze” ni bila sprejeta. Zakaj bi naj bilo tokrat drugače?
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: zmaugy ()
Mr.B ::
Zgleda, da je to neka administrativna zadeva, saj je taktike oddobril takratni predsednik ZDA.
Bolj zaskrbljujoče so posledice 9/11 napadov, saj zaradi njih počasi trpi več kot 5000 nedolžnih ljudi.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/15/heal...
In kaj potem, če je predsednik Moron Bush odobril te zločinske taktike? Na Nuremberških procesih obramba “sem samo izpolnjeval ukaze” ni bila sprejeta. Zakaj bi naj bilo tokrat drugače?
A to je tako, kot če bi ti Kučko reke pobite domobrance, pa bi šu ti pobijat, sej je rekel veliki šef ? Aja sej so v vojni s celim svetom, mislim terorosti, v vojni se to kao sme, nje. A misliš da bi dobil imuniteto ? No morda v času Tita ali pa Stalina al pa Kima.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Jarno ::
Na Nuremberških procesih so kaznovali krivce za milijone mrtvih, holokavst etc. Že v naprej je bilo določeno, da bodo krivci šli na gagve.
ZDA so svetovna avtoriteta in so dovolj organizirane, da si človekoljubi lahko privoščijo odgovorne po "line of command".
Če bi bile zadeve objektivne, bi šel na vislice še Air Marshal Harris, Churchil, Truman, Stalin, Berija, krivci za Trg nebeškega miru in pa Putin (Litvinenko, Skripal), Tito etc.
Sam se ne razburjam, saj gre tudi za zastraševalno komponento in odvračanje od terorizma.
ZDA so svetovna avtoriteta in so dovolj organizirane, da si človekoljubi lahko privoščijo odgovorne po "line of command".
Če bi bile zadeve objektivne, bi šel na vislice še Air Marshal Harris, Churchil, Truman, Stalin, Berija, krivci za Trg nebeškega miru in pa Putin (Litvinenko, Skripal), Tito etc.
Sam se ne razburjam, saj gre tudi za zastraševalno komponento in odvračanje od terorizma.
#65W!
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