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NATO in Rusija
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Pac-Man ::
Proračun teh 13 Rusov je bil okoli $1mio za ~3 leta.Ni bilo 13, ampak več 100 Rusov, v štirih izmenah, 24/7/365. Res je, da se niso vsi ukvarjali z ZDA, ampak so delali tudi na domačem tržišču, kar je še slabše. Recimo, da so z ZDA v konfliktu in je vse skupaj nekako upravičeno, tako pa lažejo lastnemu narodu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor...
The indictment by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III of 13 Russians associated with a St. Petersburg online “troll factory” that allegedly interfered with the U.S. election has brought a sense of vindication to the handful of former employees who have already been speaking out about what they witnessed.
One of them, 43-year-old Marat Mindiyarov, a teacher by training, spoke by phone with The Washington Post on Saturday from the village outside St. Petersburg where he lives.
...
How did it feel inside?
I arrived there, and I immediately felt like a character in the book “1984” by George Orwell — a place where you have to write that white is black and black is white. Your first feeling, when you ended up there, was that you were in some kind of factory that turned lying, telling untruths, into an industrial assembly line. The volumes were colossal — there were huge numbers of people, 300 to 400, and they were all writing absolute untruths. It was like being in Orwell’s world.
Proračun je bil 1.25 mio $ NA MESEC.
Obtožnica, str. 7
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/do...
By in or around September 2016, the ORGANIZATION’s monthly budget for Project Lakhta submitted to CONCORD exceeded 73 million Russian rubles (over 1,250,000 U.S. dollars), including approximately one million rubles in bonus payments.
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The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Cervantes ::
Denar vložen v manipulacije, ki morda prinašajo kakšne koristi, OK.
Morda imaš podatek, koliko denaja v tovrstne projekte investirajo Amercanos?
Hvala že vnaprej.
Morda imaš podatek, koliko denaja v tovrstne projekte investirajo Amercanos?
Hvala že vnaprej.
Smrekar1 ::
Denar vložen v manipulacije, ki morda prinašajo kakšne koristi, OK.
Morda imaš podatek, koliko denaja v tovrstne projekte investirajo Amercanos?
Hvala že vnaprej.
Pojma nimam. Mi lahko poveš ali je strategija v redu (torej nimaš ZDA kaj oporekati, če počno kaj podobnega) ali ne (torej je treba Rusijo ustaviti)?
karl ::
Denar vložen v manipulacije, ki morda prinašajo kakšne koristi, OK.
Morda imaš podatek, koliko denaja v tovrstne projekte investirajo Amercanos?
Hvala že vnaprej.
Pojma nimam. Mi lahko poveš ali je strategija v redu (torej nimaš ZDA kaj oporekati, če počno kaj podobnega) ali ne (torej je treba Rusijo ustaviti)?
Koliko pa se je izrael umešaval v ameriške volitve? In zakaj ni nič narobe če oni to počnejo?
Cervantes ::
Seveda je strategija v redu, saj to delajo vsi - sicer ne bi.
Ampak samo Rusi so grdi.
Grdi, grdi.
Ampak samo Rusi so grdi.
Grdi, grdi.
Pac-Man ::
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/...
Hoping to counter waves of Russian Twitter bots, fake social media accounts, and hacking attacks aimed at undermining American democracy, state election officials around the country are seizing on an old-school strategy: paper ballots.
In Virginia, election officials have gone back to a paper ballot system, as a way to prevent any foreign interference. Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolfe this month ordered county officials to ensure new election equipment produces a paper record. Georgia lawmakers are considering legislation to replace a touch-screen voting system with paper.
Hoping to counter waves of Russian Twitter bots, fake social media accounts, and hacking attacks aimed at undermining American democracy, state election officials around the country are seizing on an old-school strategy: paper ballots.
In Virginia, election officials have gone back to a paper ballot system, as a way to prevent any foreign interference. Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolfe this month ordered county officials to ensure new election equipment produces a paper record. Georgia lawmakers are considering legislation to replace a touch-screen voting system with paper.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
karl ::
election officials have gone back to a paper ballot system
A haha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ti bedaki sedaj mislijo da so Rusi shekali volilne naprave?!?! Kaj pa če jim naslednjič shekajo flomastre za glasovanje?
Svašta pićka rodi.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- predlagal izbris: Iatromantis ()
Cervantes ::
Seveda je strategija v redu
Kul, si bom zapomnil za prihodnje.
Kaj, do zdaj ti to ni bilo jasno?
Ne bom uporabil izraza na d*, ki si ga še kakšno leto nazaj tako rad uporabljal ti.
election officials have gone back to a paper ballot system
A haha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ti bedaki sedaj mislijo da so Rusi shekali volilne naprave?!?! Kaj pa če jim naslednjič shekajo flomastre za glasovanje?
Svašta pićka rodi.
Če to ni višek debilizma.
Namesto da zrihtal tehnologijo, grejo nazaj v XIX stoletje.
Z Roombe na brezovo metlo.
Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenil: Cervantes ()
Pac-Man ::
Če to ni višek debilizma.
Namesto da zrihtal tehnologijo, grejo nazaj v XIX stoletje.
Z Roombe na brezovo metlo.
Boli, ker se bodo nehali streljat v noge?
Papir je povsem okej.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
karl ::
Pac-Man ::
Seveda je mogoče, kot redno demonstrirajo v Rusiji.
Ampak tistim na drugi strani oceana precej otežiš delo.
Ampak tistim na drugi strani oceana precej otežiš delo.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Fritz ::
Denar vložen v manipulacije, ki morda prinašajo kakšne koristi, OK.
Morda imaš podatek, koliko denaja v tovrstne projekte investirajo Amercanos?
Hvala že vnaprej.
V proračunu za leto 2018 ZDA namenjajo 80 mlrd. USD obveščevalnim službam.
Pa gremo po Pacotovo...
https://wikileaks.org/cia-france-electi...
16 February, 2017
CIA espionage orders for the last French presidential election
All major French political parties were targeted for infiltration by the CIA's human ("HUMINT") and electronic ("SIGINT") spies in the seven months leading up to France's 2012 presidential election. The revelations are contained within three CIA tasking orders published today by WikiLeaks as context for its forth coming CIA Vault 7 series. Named specifically as targets are the French Socialist Party (PS), the National Front (FN) and Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) together with current President Francois Hollande, then President Nicolas Sarkozy, current round one presidential front runner Marine Le Pen, and former presidential candidates Martine Aubry and Dominique Strauss-Khan.
The CIA assessed that President Sarkozy's party was not assured re-election. Specific tasking concerning his party included obtaining the "Strategic Election Plans" of the Union for a Popular Movement (UMP); schisms or alliances developing in the UMP elite; private UMP reactions to Sarkozy's campaign stratagies; discussions within the UMP on any "perceived vulnerabilities to maintaining power" after the election; efforts to change the party's ideological mission; and discussions about Sarkozy's support for the UMP and "the value he places on the continuation of the party's dominance". Specific instructions tasked CIA officers to discover Sarkozy's private deliberations "on the other candidates" as well as how he interacted with his advisors. Sarkozy's earlier self-identification as "Sarkozy the American" did not protect him from US espionage in the 2012 election or during his presidency.
The espionage order for "Non Ruling Political Parties and Candidates Strategic Election Plans" which targeted Francois Holland, Marine Le Pen and other opposition figures requires obtaining opposition parties' strategies for the election; information on internal party dynamics and rising leaders; efforts to influence and implement political decisions; support from local government officials, government elites or business elites; views of the United States; efforts to reach out to other countries, including Germany, U.K., Libya, Israel, Palestine, Syria & Cote d'Ivoire; as well as information about party and candidate funding.
Significantly, two CIA opposition espionage tasks, "What policies do they promote to help boost France's economic growth prospects?" and "What are their opinions on the German model of export-led growth?" resonate with a U.S. economic espionage order from the same year. That order requires obtaining details of every prospective French export contract or deal valued at $200m or more.
The opposition espionage order also places weight on obtaining the candidates' attitudes to the E.U's economic crisis, centering around their position on the Greek debt crisis; the role of France and Germany in the management of the Greek debt crisis; the vulnerability of French government and French banks to a Greek default; and "specific proposals and recommendations" to deal with "the euro-zone crisis".
The CIA espionage orders published today are classified and restricted to U.S. eyes only ("NOFORN") due to "Friends-on-Friends sensitivities". The orders state that the collected information is to "support" the activities of the CIA, the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA)'s E.U section, and the U.S. State Department's Intelligence and Research Branch.
The CIA operation ran for ten months from 21 Nov 2011 to 29 Sep 2012, crossing the April-May 2012 French presidential election and several months into the formation of the new government.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
Pismo, je tudi slo-tech poln retartovTM?
Zbirali so obveščevalne podatke, kar je naloga obveščevalnih agencij.
Niso imeli večnadstropne stavbe polne agentov, ki bi 24/7 proizvajali dank meme, kako Sarkozi iz kleti lokalne boulangerije vodi pedofilsko mrežo.
Zbirali so obveščevalne podatke, kar je naloga obveščevalnih agencij.
Niso imeli večnadstropne stavbe polne agentov, ki bi 24/7 proizvajali dank meme, kako Sarkozi iz kleti lokalne boulangerije vodi pedofilsko mrežo.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Da ne boste psovali da citiram samo RT, evo ena s CNNa:
Trump: 'They are laughing their asses off in Moscow' over how US handled Russia investigations
Anchor Muted Background
By Maegan Vazquez, CNN
Updated
"If it was the GOAL of Russia to create discord, disruption and chaos within the U.S. then, with all of the Committee Hearings, Investigations and Party hatred, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are laughing their asses off in Moscow. Get smart America!"
Oliver je včeraj nehote repliciral.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Rečmo tri različne teme, kako se to dela profesionalno in kdaj za twixice..
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Fritz ::
Pismo, je tudi slo-tech poln retartovTM?
Zbirali so obveščevalne podatke, kar je naloga obveščevalnih agencij.
Niso imeli večnadstropne stavbe polne agentov, ki bi 24/7 proizvajali dank meme, kako Sarkozi iz kleti lokalne boulangerije vodi pedofilsko mrežo.
Verjetno, ti je jasno, da HUMINT vpliva na različne načine in da je vsako takšno početje sicer v opisu del in nalog obveščevalne službe vendar je v drugi državi to početje ilegalno.
Nekako se mi zdi, da nekateri poskušate prepričati svet kako je izkoriščanje in zloraba socialnih omrežij bolj huda reč kot špijoniranje, elektronski nadzor in vse ostalo kar gre zraven
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
Zato ima skoraj vsak vohun status diplomata, pride z imuniteto.
In da, je hujše. Vohunjenje je drugi najstarejši poklic, te ruske inovacije pa odpirajo nova obzorja. Niso se namreč ustavili pri dank memih, to je bila samo edina stvar, ki je zaenkrat zares uspela.
Junij 2015
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/maga...
Around 8:30 a.m. on Sept. 11 last year, Duval Arthur, director of the Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness for St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, got a call from a resident who had just received a disturbing text message. “Toxic fume hazard warning in this area until 1:30 PM,” the message read. “Take Shelter. Check Local Media and columbiachemical.com.”
St. Mary Parish is home to many processing plants for chemicals and natural gas, and keeping track of dangerous accidents at those plants is Arthur’s job. But he hadn’t heard of any chemical release that morning. In fact, he hadn’t even heard of Columbia Chemical. St. Mary Parish had a Columbian Chemicals plant, which made carbon black, a petroleum product used in rubber and plastics. But he’d heard nothing from them that morning, either. Soon, two other residents called and reported the same text message. Arthur was worried: Had one of his employees sent out an alert without telling him?
If Arthur had checked Twitter, he might have become much more worried. Hundreds of Twitter accounts were documenting a disaster right down the road. “A powerful explosion heard from miles away happened at a chemical plant in Centerville, Louisiana #ColumbianChemicals,” a man named Jon Merritt tweeted. The #ColumbianChemicals hashtag was full of eyewitness accounts of the horror in Centerville. @AnnRussela shared an image of flames engulfing the plant. @Ksarah12 posted a video of surveillance footage from a local gas station, capturing the flash of the explosion. Others shared a video in which thick black smoke rose in the distance.
Dozens of journalists, media outlets and politicians, from Louisiana to New York City, found their Twitter accounts inundated with messages about the disaster. “Heather, I’m sure that the explosion at the #ColumbianChemicals is really dangerous. Louisiana is really screwed now,” a user named @EricTraPPP tweeted at the New Orleans Times-Picayune reporter Heather Nolan. Another posted a screenshot of CNN’s home page, showing that the story had already made national news. ISIS had claimed credit for the attack, according to one YouTube video; in it, a man showed his TV screen, tuned to an Arabic news channel, on which masked ISIS fighters delivered a speech next to looping footage of an explosion.
A woman named Anna McClaren (@zpokodon9) tweeted at Karl Rove: “Karl, Is this really ISIS who is responsible for #ColumbianChemicals? Tell @Obama that we should bomb Iraq!” But anyone who took the trouble to check CNN.com would have found no news of a spectacular Sept. 11 attack by ISIS. It was all fake: the screenshot, the videos, the photographs.
In St. Mary Parish, Duval Arthur quickly made a few calls and found that none of his employees had sent the alert. He called Columbian Chemicals, which reported no problems at the plant. Roughly two hours after the first text message was sent, the company put out a news release, explaining that reports of an explosion were false. When I called Arthur a few months later, he dismissed the incident as a tasteless prank, timed to the anniversary of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Personally I think it’s just a real sad, sick sense of humor,” he told me. “It was just someone who just liked scaring the daylights out of people.” Authorities, he said, had tried to trace the numbers that the text messages had come from, but with no luck. (The F.B.I. told me the investigation was still open.)
The Columbian Chemicals hoax was not some simple prank by a bored sadist. It was a highly coordinated disinformation campaign, involving dozens of fake accounts that posted hundreds of tweets for hours, targeting a list of figures precisely chosen to generate maximum attention. The perpetrators didn’t just doctor screenshots from CNN; they also created fully functional clones of the websites of Louisiana TV stations and newspapers. The YouTube video of the man watching TV had been tailor-made for the project. A Wikipedia page was even created for the Columbian Chemicals disaster, which cited the fake YouTube video. As the virtual assault unfolded, it was complemented by text messages to actual residents in St. Mary Parish. It must have taken a team of programmers and content producers to pull off.
And the hoax was just one in a wave of similar attacks during the second half of last year. On Dec. 13, two months after a handful of Ebola cases in the United States touched off a minor media panic, many of the same Twitter accounts used to spread the Columbian Chemicals hoax began to post about an outbreak of Ebola in Atlanta. The campaign followed the same pattern of fake news reports and videos, this time under the hashtag #EbolaInAtlanta, which briefly trended in Atlanta. Again, the attention to detail was remarkable, suggesting a tremendous amount of effort. A YouTube video showed a team of hazmat-suited medical workers transporting a victim from the airport.
Beyoncé’s recent single “7/11” played in the background, an apparent attempt to establish the video’s contemporaneity. A truck in the parking lot sported the logo of the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.
On the same day as the Ebola hoax, a totally different group of accounts began spreading a rumor that an unarmed black woman had been shot to death by police. They all used the hashtag #shockingmurderinatlanta. Here again, the hoax seemed designed to piggyback on real public anxiety; that summer and fall were marked by protests over the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. In this case, a blurry video purports to show the shooting, as an onlooker narrates.
Watching it, I thought I recognized the voice — it sounded the same as the man watching TV in the Columbian Chemicals video, the one in which ISIS supposedly claims responsibility. The accent was unmistakable, if unplaceable, and in both videos he was making a very strained attempt to sound American. Somehow the result was vaguely Australian.
Zgornji špas je iz septembra in decembra 2014. Par oseb iz petkove obtožnice je l. 2014 obiskalo ZDA.
Zdaj dodaj še to
in prihodnost postane...zanimiva.
Ampak, dokler so tarče Američani je vse fun & games, ne?
In da, je hujše. Vohunjenje je drugi najstarejši poklic, te ruske inovacije pa odpirajo nova obzorja. Niso se namreč ustavili pri dank memih, to je bila samo edina stvar, ki je zaenkrat zares uspela.
Junij 2015
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/maga...
Around 8:30 a.m. on Sept. 11 last year, Duval Arthur, director of the Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness for St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, got a call from a resident who had just received a disturbing text message. “Toxic fume hazard warning in this area until 1:30 PM,” the message read. “Take Shelter. Check Local Media and columbiachemical.com.”
St. Mary Parish is home to many processing plants for chemicals and natural gas, and keeping track of dangerous accidents at those plants is Arthur’s job. But he hadn’t heard of any chemical release that morning. In fact, he hadn’t even heard of Columbia Chemical. St. Mary Parish had a Columbian Chemicals plant, which made carbon black, a petroleum product used in rubber and plastics. But he’d heard nothing from them that morning, either. Soon, two other residents called and reported the same text message. Arthur was worried: Had one of his employees sent out an alert without telling him?
If Arthur had checked Twitter, he might have become much more worried. Hundreds of Twitter accounts were documenting a disaster right down the road. “A powerful explosion heard from miles away happened at a chemical plant in Centerville, Louisiana #ColumbianChemicals,” a man named Jon Merritt tweeted. The #ColumbianChemicals hashtag was full of eyewitness accounts of the horror in Centerville. @AnnRussela shared an image of flames engulfing the plant. @Ksarah12 posted a video of surveillance footage from a local gas station, capturing the flash of the explosion. Others shared a video in which thick black smoke rose in the distance.
Dozens of journalists, media outlets and politicians, from Louisiana to New York City, found their Twitter accounts inundated with messages about the disaster. “Heather, I’m sure that the explosion at the #ColumbianChemicals is really dangerous. Louisiana is really screwed now,” a user named @EricTraPPP tweeted at the New Orleans Times-Picayune reporter Heather Nolan. Another posted a screenshot of CNN’s home page, showing that the story had already made national news. ISIS had claimed credit for the attack, according to one YouTube video; in it, a man showed his TV screen, tuned to an Arabic news channel, on which masked ISIS fighters delivered a speech next to looping footage of an explosion.
A woman named Anna McClaren (@zpokodon9) tweeted at Karl Rove: “Karl, Is this really ISIS who is responsible for #ColumbianChemicals? Tell @Obama that we should bomb Iraq!” But anyone who took the trouble to check CNN.com would have found no news of a spectacular Sept. 11 attack by ISIS. It was all fake: the screenshot, the videos, the photographs.
In St. Mary Parish, Duval Arthur quickly made a few calls and found that none of his employees had sent the alert. He called Columbian Chemicals, which reported no problems at the plant. Roughly two hours after the first text message was sent, the company put out a news release, explaining that reports of an explosion were false. When I called Arthur a few months later, he dismissed the incident as a tasteless prank, timed to the anniversary of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Personally I think it’s just a real sad, sick sense of humor,” he told me. “It was just someone who just liked scaring the daylights out of people.” Authorities, he said, had tried to trace the numbers that the text messages had come from, but with no luck. (The F.B.I. told me the investigation was still open.)
The Columbian Chemicals hoax was not some simple prank by a bored sadist. It was a highly coordinated disinformation campaign, involving dozens of fake accounts that posted hundreds of tweets for hours, targeting a list of figures precisely chosen to generate maximum attention. The perpetrators didn’t just doctor screenshots from CNN; they also created fully functional clones of the websites of Louisiana TV stations and newspapers. The YouTube video of the man watching TV had been tailor-made for the project. A Wikipedia page was even created for the Columbian Chemicals disaster, which cited the fake YouTube video. As the virtual assault unfolded, it was complemented by text messages to actual residents in St. Mary Parish. It must have taken a team of programmers and content producers to pull off.
And the hoax was just one in a wave of similar attacks during the second half of last year. On Dec. 13, two months after a handful of Ebola cases in the United States touched off a minor media panic, many of the same Twitter accounts used to spread the Columbian Chemicals hoax began to post about an outbreak of Ebola in Atlanta. The campaign followed the same pattern of fake news reports and videos, this time under the hashtag #EbolaInAtlanta, which briefly trended in Atlanta. Again, the attention to detail was remarkable, suggesting a tremendous amount of effort. A YouTube video showed a team of hazmat-suited medical workers transporting a victim from the airport.
Beyoncé’s recent single “7/11” played in the background, an apparent attempt to establish the video’s contemporaneity. A truck in the parking lot sported the logo of the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.
On the same day as the Ebola hoax, a totally different group of accounts began spreading a rumor that an unarmed black woman had been shot to death by police. They all used the hashtag #shockingmurderinatlanta. Here again, the hoax seemed designed to piggyback on real public anxiety; that summer and fall were marked by protests over the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. In this case, a blurry video purports to show the shooting, as an onlooker narrates.
Watching it, I thought I recognized the voice — it sounded the same as the man watching TV in the Columbian Chemicals video, the one in which ISIS supposedly claims responsibility. The accent was unmistakable, if unplaceable, and in both videos he was making a very strained attempt to sound American. Somehow the result was vaguely Australian.
Zgornji špas je iz septembra in decembra 2014. Par oseb iz petkove obtožnice je l. 2014 obiskalo ZDA.
Zdaj dodaj še to
in prihodnost postane...zanimiva.
Ampak, dokler so tarče Američani je vse fun & games, ne?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Fritz ::
Ampak, dokler so tarče Američani je vse fun & games, ne?
Tarče takšnih fint so lahko samo Američani in tisti, ki so podobno omejeni. Tri klike vstran je možno preveriti vse, če nimaš lih glave v riti. Pa smo spet pri sistemu in izobrazbi
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
Tarče takšnih fint so lahko samo Američani in tisti, ki so podobno omejeni. Tri klike vstran je možno preveriti vse, če nimaš lih glave v riti. Pa smo spet pri sistemu in izobrazbi
Potem lahko Rusi kar zaprejo štacuno, škoda truda. Naslednjih 20 let jih bo povozilo.
exhibit 1:
Največji del ruske trolfarme se je ukvarjal z domačim tržiščem.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor...
...
For example?
When I was there, there were sanctions [by the European Union and the United States in response to Russia’s intervention in Ukraine] and the ruble started falling. I was writing everything that was the opposite: how wonderful our life was, how wonderful it is that the ruble was strengthening, and that kind of absurdity. That sanctions were going to make us stronger and so on and so forth.
Where were you writing this?
We were commenting on Russian sites — all sorts of them, LiveJournal for example, and all the Russian news websites. Wherever a given news item appeared on Russian websites, trolls were immediately created to provide the illusion of support.
...
How did the trolling work?
You got a list of topics to write about. Every piece of news was taken care of by three trolls each, and the three of us would make up an act. We had to make it look like we were not trolls but real people. One of the three trolls would write something negative about the news, the other two would respond, “You are wrong,” and post links and such. And the negative one would eventually act convinced. Those are the kinds of plays we had to act out.
exhibit 2:
To je vdova s strani američanov eliminiranega Wagnerjevca.
Na telefonu se vrti trailer igre, gospa pa misli, da video prikazuje smrt njenega moža.
exhibit 3:
To je Vladimir Putin.
https://www.facebook.com/CITeam.org/vid...
Oliverju Stoneu predvaja video američanov v Afganistanu in razlaga, kako gre za rusko eliminiranje ISISovcev.
https://gizmodo.com/video-that-putin-sh...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Zheegec ::
"božja zapoved pravi; <Spoštuj očeta in mater>,
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014
Fritz ::
Kdor si želi razširiti obzorja, si lahko prebere sledečo knjigo. Nekaj malenkosti o tem, kako so ZDA, z grožnjami vojaškega udara, z denarjem, s terorizmom in na druge načine, vplivale na volitve v 'zavezniških' evropskih državah.
Še konec osemdesetih let so se preko savdskega princa Bandarja vmešavale v volitve v Italiji. Glede na wikileaks zapise kaže, da je praksa nespremenjena.
Maskirovka gor ali dol, Rusi so za Amere še vedno samo šolarčki. Ko jim bo 40 let uspevalo manipulirati in nadzirati pol sveta, jim lahko priznam približek sposobnostim ZDA. Je pa res, da Trum zelo uspešno sesuva zunanjo politiko ZDA, ki je osnova za vso prej omenjeno delovanje.
Še konec osemdesetih let so se preko savdskega princa Bandarja vmešavale v volitve v Italiji. Glede na wikileaks zapise kaže, da je praksa nespremenjena.
Maskirovka gor ali dol, Rusi so za Amere še vedno samo šolarčki. Ko jim bo 40 let uspevalo manipulirati in nadzirati pol sveta, jim lahko priznam približek sposobnostim ZDA. Je pa res, da Trum zelo uspešno sesuva zunanjo politiko ZDA, ki je osnova za vso prej omenjeno delovanje.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Smrekar1 ::
Kdor si želi razširiti obzorja, si lahko prebere sledečo knjigo. Nekaj malenkosti o tem, kako so ZDA, z grožnjami vojaškega udara, z denarjem, s terorizmom in na druge načine, vplivale na volitve v 'zavezniških' evropskih državah.
Še konec osemdesetih let so se preko savdskega princa Bandarja vmešavale v volitve v Italiji. Glede na wikileaks zapise kaže, da je praksa nespremenjena.
Maskirovka gor ali dol, Rusi so za Amere še vedno samo šolarčki. Ko jim bo 40 let uspevalo manipulirati in nadzirati pol sveta, jim lahko priznam približek sposobnostim ZDA. Je pa res, da Trum zelo uspešno sesuva zunanjo politiko ZDA, ki je osnova za vso prej omenjeno delovanje.
Še en video tega osebka, sicer v nemščini:
Cela verzija:
Tole je stopničko pod Plosko Zemljo. Več sreče prihodnjič.
Pac-Man ::
Kdor si želi razširiti obzorja, si lahko prebere sledečo knjigo.
...
Maskirovka gor ali dol, Rusi so za Amere še vedno samo šolarčki. Ko jim bo 40 let uspevalo manipulirati in nadzirati pol sveta, jim lahko priznam približek sposobnostim ZDA
Bravo, nasedel si reciklirani sovjetski manipulaciji.
Daniele Ganser @ Wikipedia
Peer Henrik Hansen, a scholar at Roskilde University, wrote two scathing criticisms of the book for the International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence and the Journal of Intelligence History, describing Ganser's work as "a journalistic book with a big spoonful of conspiracy theories" that "fails to present proof of and an in-depth explanation of the claimed conspiracy between USA, CIA, NATO and the European countries." Hansen also criticized Ganser for basing his "claim of the big conspiracy" on the US Army Field Manual 30-31B, which members of the intelligence community claim is just a 'Cold War era hoax document.'
U.S. Army Field Manual 30-31B @ Wikipedia
U.S. Army Field Manual 30-31B was a Cold War-era forgery by Soviet intelligence services.
It is an alleged classified appendix to a U.S. Army Field Manual that describes top secret counter insurgency tactics. In particular, it identifies a "strategy of tension" involving violent attacks which are then blamed on radical left-wing groups in order to convince allied governments of the need for counter-action.(...= It was also used at the end of the 1970s to implicate the Central Intelligence Agency in the Red Brigades' kidnapping and assassination of former Italian prime minister Aldo Moro.
...
The alleged appendix B to FM30-31 was first mentioned in the Turkish newspaper Barış (sometimes anglicized to Barish), in 1975.
A facsimile copy of FM30-31B then appeared a year later in Bangkok, Thailand,[4] and in various capitals of north African states.[9] In 1978, it appeared in various European magazines, including the Spanish Triunfo and El Pais.[4][9] The Italian press picked up the Triunfo publication, and a copy was published in the October 1978 issue of L'Europeo.
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At a 1980 hearing of the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Subcommittee of Oversight, CIA officials testified that the document was a singularly effective forgery by the KGB and an example of Soviet covert action.[13] According to Elizabeth Pond of The Christian Science Monitor, in discussing the relative effectiveness of "disinformation", "forgeries ... have been used by the Soviets since soon after the 1917 revolution."
1975, 43 let...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Iatromantis ::
"Stay-behind armies" so bile po vsej Evropi in Januarja 2006 je State Department to tudi priznal, a so zanikali, da bi počeli karkoli nasilnega ali terorističnega: https://web.archive.org/web/20080710005...
Ne moreš opravičevai ruskih tajnih služb z umazanostmi ameriških, ampak dejstvo je, da imajo vse umazane programe in da so tajne službe odgovorne za največje 'fake news' v imenu nacionalne varnosti..
Samo poglejte kako je Gadaffi prevzel vse grehe Sirijcev in skupaj z američani ustvarjal fake svet fake novic:
Former CIA Director Describes Setting Up "Stay Behind" Networks
Former CIA director William Colby wrote about his role in setting up "stay behind" networks in Scandinavia in his 1978 memoir Honorable Men:
One of the main fields of the OPC's [Office of Policy Coordination, the unit in the CIA responsible for paramilitary activities] work then [in 1951] was planning for the not unlikely possibility of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe. And, in the event the Russians succeeded in taking over any or all of the countries of the Continent ... the OPC wanted to be in a position to activate well-armed and well-organized partisan uprisings against the occupiers. But this time, unlike ... similar OSS paramilitary teams that went in to help the French maquis and other resistance movements during World War II, the OPC didn't want to have to arm and organize those partisans after the occupation, using such dangerous and fallible operations as night flights, supply drops, and parachute infiltrations behind enemy lines. No, this time ... we intended to have that resistance capability in place before the occupation, indeed even before an invasion; we were determined to organize and supply it now, while we still had the time in which to do it right and at the minimum of risk. Thus, the OPC had undertaken a major program of building, throughout those Western European countries that seemed likely targets for Soviet attack, what in the parlance of the intelligence trade were known as "stay-behind nets," clandestine infrastructures of leaders and equipment trained and ready to be called into action as sabotage and espionage forces when the time came.
Ne moreš opravičevai ruskih tajnih služb z umazanostmi ameriških, ampak dejstvo je, da imajo vse umazane programe in da so tajne službe odgovorne za največje 'fake news' v imenu nacionalne varnosti..
Samo poglejte kako je Gadaffi prevzel vse grehe Sirijcev in skupaj z američani ustvarjal fake svet fake novic:
Fritz ::
Kdor si želi razširiti obzorja, si lahko prebere sledečo knjigo.
...
Maskirovka gor ali dol, Rusi so za Amere še vedno samo šolarčki. Ko jim bo 40 let uspevalo manipulirati in nadzirati pol sveta, jim lahko priznam približek sposobnostim ZDA
Bravo, nasedel si reciklirani sovjetski manipulaciji.
Daniele Ganser @ Wikipedia
Niti najmanj. Knjiga je posledica doktorskega študija in novinarsko raziskovalnega dela o najbolj tajni zadevi tajnih služb NATA. Če kdo misli, da je o tem možno zlahka dobiti uradne podatke in dokumente, živi v iluziji. Je pa več predsednikov vlad in ministrov potrdilo, da je obstajala takšna organizacija in da so bili zavezani varovanju državnih skrivnosti. Ker je organizacija bila tako tajna, ni bila pod nadzorom demokratično izvoljenih oblasti. Gladio in njegovi pandani (recimo zanimivi so turški Sivi volkovi) so operirali v skoraj vseh NATO državah. Tu in tam se pojavljajo oporečniki, ki o tem kaj povejo:
http://www.archivio900.it/it/articoli/a...
Iatromantis je izjavil:
Ne moreš opravičevai ruskih tajnih služb z umazanostmi ameriških, ampak dejstvo je, da imajo vse umazane programe in da so tajne službe odgovorne za največje 'fake news' v imenu nacionalne varnosti..
Drži. Ne morejo pa Američani brati levite Rusom s pozicije pravičnega in dobrega. Velja tudi za nekritične simpatizerje Amerov.
Če kdo misli, da je zrušitev WTC 7 conspiracy theory, očitno ni prebral ničesar o tej temi.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
nsa_ag3nt ::
Fritz
Če si knjigo prebral do konca, je kak info kaj se je zgodilo z Gladio skladišči orožja v zahodni Evropi ?
Ker če še obstajajo in dobijo to robo v roke kakšni "zmerni" verniki puščavskega preroka bo veliko sranja v Eu.
Kdor si želi razširiti obzorja, si lahko prebere sledečo knjigo. Nekaj malenkosti o tem, kako so ZDA, z grožnjami vojaškega udara, z denarjem, s terorizmom in na druge načine, vplivale na volitve v 'zavezniških' evropskih državah.
Če si knjigo prebral do konca, je kak info kaj se je zgodilo z Gladio skladišči orožja v zahodni Evropi ?
Ker če še obstajajo in dobijo to robo v roke kakšni "zmerni" verniki puščavskega preroka bo veliko sranja v Eu.
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Fritz ::
Napisano je, da je kar nekaj organizacij razpuščeno in da so skladišča izpraznjena. Ravno tako je nekaj primerov, ko so na skrivne skladovnice orožja in opreme naključno naleteli posamezniki. Ker so ljudje obveščali policijo, so se vmešale tajne službe in zadeve so bile utišane.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...
https://books.google.si/books?isbn=3738...
Tudi sovjetski agenti so imeli skrito opremo po zahodnih deželah, da ne bo nesporazumov.
Islamisti lahko vse potrebno danes kupijo na črnem trgu, od dolgocevnega avtomatskega orožja do eksplozivov. Je pa res, da se lahko na ta način izdajo in da je napade težko načrtovati in organizirati, saj je nadzor nad komunikacijami in javnimi kraji precejšen.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...
https://books.google.si/books?isbn=3738...
Tudi sovjetski agenti so imeli skrito opremo po zahodnih deželah, da ne bo nesporazumov.
Islamisti lahko vse potrebno danes kupijo na črnem trgu, od dolgocevnega avtomatskega orožja do eksplozivov. Je pa res, da se lahko na ta način izdajo in da je napade težko načrtovati in organizirati, saj je nadzor nad komunikacijami in javnimi kraji precejšen.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
Rusija.
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/former-...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor...
The indictment by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III of 13 Russians associated with a St. Petersburg online “troll factory” that allegedly interfered with the U.S. election has brought a sense of vindication to the handful of former employees who have already been speaking out about what they witnessed.
One of them, 43-year-old Marat Mindiyarov, a teacher by training, spoke by phone with The Washington Post on Saturday from the village outside St. Petersburg where he lives.
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/former-...
Marat Mindiyarov, one of the first self-confessed “trolls” to speak to Western journalists about his work, told The Moscow Times that he was detained by police late on Sunday for allegedly making a false phone call about a planted bomb in a nearby village, a charge he denies.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Twitter je blokiral cel kup potencialnih botov ter jim na mail poslal kodo, ki jo morajo vpisati ob ponovni prijavi.
MAGA snežinkicam je posledično padlo število sledilcev, zato doživljajo živčne zlome.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/21/twitter-j...
MAGA snežinkicam je posledično padlo število sledilcev, zato doživljajo živčne zlome.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/21/twitter-j...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Zelo lateralno, če sploh, povezano z Rusijo, ampak vseeno zanimivo.
https://twitter.com/djlavoie/status/966...
Way back in early 2011, Trump began teasing a possible presidential bid. He claimed "hundreds of thousands" of people had urged him to run via an independent site called ShouldTrumpRun.com. So, what is ShouldTrumpRun.com? Come on this journey with me.
ShouldTrumpRun.com was launched in late 2010. Ostensibly, it was an independent site to test the waters about a possible Trump 2012 run. It even explicitly said on the bottom it was "not endorsed by Donald Trump." 
But this wasn't an independent site. It was founded by Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, along with two local lobbyists who, at the time, were helping Trump push for a doomed project in Jones Beach on Long Island. 
The site actually got Cohen into some hot water with the FEC. After Cohen took a private jet to Iowa to test the waters for Trump, someone filed a complaint against Cohen. For a while earlier this year, ShouldTrumpRun.com actually redirected to a FEC letter on the issue. 
Cohen was cleared by the FEC of any wrongdoing because Trump was not an officially declared candidate at the time of the Iowa trip.
Who signed off on that decision?
Then-FEC Vice Chair/current WH Counsel Don McGahn.
What are those lobbyists up to now? They set up a new office in DC after Trump was elected. They've got an eclectic lobbying practice, ranging from lobbying DoD on behalf of a summer camp company to lobbying congress on behalf of the "Turkish-American Gulen Movement." 
But that doesn't mean Cohen and the lobbyists stopped working together.
Nope.
They now represent Cohen in his lawsuit against FusionGPS.
Funny Aside: Cohen and the lobbyists didn't register ShouldTrumpRun.com themselves. That was a Brooklyn internet marketer called Igor Berezner. 
Berezner runs an internet marketing company which offers "social media brand amplification." But recently, Berezner has been getting big into cryptocurrency. He even goes by the name "BTCMilli" (for Bitcoin Millionaire) on Twitter. He's been registering a lot of crypto URLs, including crypto-ruble.net. 
Which brings us to today. What does ShouldTrumpRun.com look like now? You guessed it: CRYPTO!!! The URL, which Berezner still owns, redirects to this site: 
https://twitter.com/djlavoie/status/966...
Way back in early 2011, Trump began teasing a possible presidential bid. He claimed "hundreds of thousands" of people had urged him to run via an independent site called ShouldTrumpRun.com. So, what is ShouldTrumpRun.com? Come on this journey with me.
Who signed off on that decision?
Then-FEC Vice Chair/current WH Counsel Don McGahn.
Nope.
They now represent Cohen in his lawsuit against FusionGPS.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Vanich ::
Bombni napad na ameriško ambasado v Črni Gori.
Ziher so bili Rusi.
...pa še Lavrov se ravno sedaj mota po Srbiji. Slučaj? I don't think so.
Vanich ::
Bombni napad na ameriško ambasado v Črni Gori.
Ziher so bili Rusi.
...pa še Lavrov se ravno sedaj mota po Srbiji. Slučaj? I don't think so.
Evo, kaj sem vam rekel? Rusi, Srbi - isti k.....
D3m ::
Spet sem razočaran. Smrekar1 je trdil, da Rusi ne bodo imeli operativne lovce PAK-FA oz. SU-57 
Pa se je spet očitno zmotil.
https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/stat...
Pa se je spet očitno zmotil.
https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/stat...
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Mr.B ::
Kolk je to 28 Tankov ?
An order for two battalions of T-14 MBTs and a battalion of T-15 heavy IFVs has been confirmed by Russian Deputy Defence Minister Yuri Borisov
An order for two battalions of T-14 MBTs and a battalion of T-15 heavy IFVs has been confirmed by Russian Deputy Defence Minister Yuri Borisov
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
D3m ::
Okrog 100 komadov.
Še druga slika.
SU-57 je očitno operativen in poslan na bojno nalogo.
Še druga slika.
SU-57 je očitno operativen in poslan na bojno nalogo.
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Mr.B ::
No smeši se.
dva kosa, od 12 tih naročenih, ni glih nekaj. Verjetno je zgolj testiranje na relanih razmerah. Verjetno v Luft, potem bodo par pijanih ruskih plačancev poslali proti američanom, ter spremljali kako bodo Amerji prileteli z f22, just in case. Potem jih bodo pa malo z radarji obstreljevali, tako da malo pinge poberejo no posnamejo, no sej bo smreki povedal, pa samuel tud ve.
Relano pa gora tomahixov, je čisto dovolj, da greš potem tudi z 50 let starim letalom nad kamenodobce.
dva kosa, od 12 tih naročenih, ni glih nekaj. Verjetno je zgolj testiranje na relanih razmerah. Verjetno v Luft, potem bodo par pijanih ruskih plačancev poslali proti američanom, ter spremljali kako bodo Amerji prileteli z f22, just in case. Potem jih bodo pa malo z radarji obstreljevali, tako da malo pinge poberejo no posnamejo, no sej bo smreki povedal, pa samuel tud ve.
Relano pa gora tomahixov, je čisto dovolj, da greš potem tudi z 50 let starim letalom nad kamenodobce.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
D3m ::
Saj zato so pa prileteli še trije SU-25SM3. 
SU-57 bodo bo pa doživel bojni krst med preizkušanjem novega motorja in ostale dodatke.
lp.
SU-57 bodo bo pa doživel bojni krst med preizkušanjem novega motorja in ostale dodatke.
lp.
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fikus_ ::
Sirija je "peskovnik" za testiranje tehnologij. Poleg tega drug drugega intenzivno tipajo in preverjajo zmogljivosti.
Samuel ::
Okrog 100 komadov.
Še druga slika.
SU-57 je očitno operativen in poslan na bojno nalogo.
Nekaj je treba narest:
http://www.obramba.com/novice/indija-se...
SU-57 v trenutni konfiguraciji nima praktično nič s peto generacijo.. je le malo naspidirana 4++.
Okrog 100 komadov.
Še druga slika.
SU-57 je očitno operativen in poslan na bojno nalogo.
Nekaj je treba narest:
Indija se zanima za nakup 126 lovcev F-35
SU-57 v trenutni konfiguraciji nima praktično nič s peto generacijo.. je le malo naspidirana 4++.
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.
noticably not worth noticing.
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Fritz ::
Okrog 100 komadov.
50 pa res. V oklepnem bataljonu, ki je dandanes že redkost, jih je tam od 40 do 75, odvisno od države in časa. Če gledamo kopensko vojsko RF, ima ta v današnjem oklepnem bataljonu 41 tankov.
http://www.steelbeasts.com/topic/5299-c...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Mr.B ::
Sami,
Kot pricakovano dobra tvoja analiza ....gre se za f16 z elektroniko g4+ kot migi 21 z izraelsko... https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne...
Kot pricakovano dobra tvoja analiza ....gre se za f16 z elektroniko g4+ kot migi 21 z izraelsko... https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
D3m ::
Okrog 100 komadov.
50 pa res. V oklepnem bataljonu, ki je dandanes že redkost, jih je tam od 40 do 75, odvisno od države in časa. Če gledamo kopensko vojsko RF, ima ta v današnjem oklepnem bataljonu 41 tankov.
http://www.steelbeasts.com/topic/5299-c...
Jaz govorim o naročilu. 100 komadov so naročili.
SU-57 je v trenutni konfiguraciji 5.gen
4++ je SU-35S.
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Fritz ::
Okrog 100 komadov.
50 pa res. V oklepnem bataljonu, ki je dandanes že redkost, jih je tam od 40 do 75, odvisno od države in časa. Če gledamo kopensko vojsko RF, ima ta v današnjem oklepnem bataljonu 41 tankov.
http://www.steelbeasts.com/topic/5299-c...
Jaz govorim o naročilu. 100 komadov so naročili.
Okrog 100, drži. Nisem dobro razumel odgovora..moja napaka.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
To se je zgodilo.
Kaj o tem pravi Sputnik?
https://sputniknews.com/viral/201802231...
Initially, the conflict began with a war of words between German MP Andreas Maurer and Ukrainian political scientist Dmitry Suvorov.
Maurer cited the ongoing shelling in eastern Ukraine's Donbass region, which he claimed killed at least 200 children there – something that was vehemently denied by Suvorov, who demanded relevant photographs as evidence.
In an attempt to calm Suvorov, talk show host Andrey Norkin tried to grab him by the shoulder, in what was followed by a mass rumble which saw some falling on the floor.
Maurer je zgoraj desno. Kdo je torej ta nemški poslanec, ki na ruski TV v tekoči ruščini zagovarja ruska stališča?
Nemška in angleška wikipedija nista v pomoč, kot bi pričakoval v primeru poslanca v zveznem ali evropskem parlamentu.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_M...
Treba je iti globlje. Spet priskoči na pomoč Sputnik.
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201605...
Chairman of the Left Party faction in the parliament of the German town Quakenbrueck Andreas Maurer said on Tuesday that he is planning to introduce a bill calling for the recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia and lifting of anti-Russian sanctions.
Quakenbrueck? Sliši se kot velemesto.
Quakenbr%C3%BCck @ Wikipedia
Quakenbrück is a town in the district of Osnabrück, in Lower Saxony, Germany. It is situated on the river Hase. It is part of the Samtgemeinde ("collective municipality") of Artland.
Population (2015-12-31) 12,845
Kot je verjetno razvidno že zgoraj, gre za težkega ruskega propagandista.
https://sputniknews.com/russia/20171012...
Crimea's reunification with Russia was based on the decision of its residents, so Ukraine should not receive any compensation for the territory that seceded after a referendum, Maurer told Sputnik on Wednesday.
http://www.stalkerzone.org/german-deput...
It is noteworthy that the German deputy, according to his own words, visited the Russian peninsula for already the seventh time in a year. In turn, Maurer said, addressing Russians: “You have many more friends in Europe, Germany than you can imagine”.
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“When I come to Germany, I often feel ashamed of our politicians,” said Maurer.
Kaj se mora zgoditi klenemu zahodnemu Nemcu, da postane tak zagovornik ruskega pogleda na svet? Detajli manjkajo, verjetno pa pomaga, če si rojen v SZ, današnjem Kazahstanu.
https://www.noz.de/artikel/179632/im-po...
Zur Person:
Geboren: 5. Januar 1970 in Karangada in der ehemaligen Sowjetunion
Schule: Realschulabschluss in Pforzheim
P.S.
Rusom tako dol visi za zahod, da na nacionalno TV vabijo občinske svetnike iz Nemčije.
Kaj o tem pravi Sputnik?
https://sputniknews.com/viral/201802231...
Initially, the conflict began with a war of words between German MP Andreas Maurer and Ukrainian political scientist Dmitry Suvorov.
Maurer cited the ongoing shelling in eastern Ukraine's Donbass region, which he claimed killed at least 200 children there – something that was vehemently denied by Suvorov, who demanded relevant photographs as evidence.
In an attempt to calm Suvorov, talk show host Andrey Norkin tried to grab him by the shoulder, in what was followed by a mass rumble which saw some falling on the floor.
Maurer je zgoraj desno. Kdo je torej ta nemški poslanec, ki na ruski TV v tekoči ruščini zagovarja ruska stališča?
Nemška in angleška wikipedija nista v pomoč, kot bi pričakoval v primeru poslanca v zveznem ali evropskem parlamentu.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_M...
Treba je iti globlje. Spet priskoči na pomoč Sputnik.
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201605...
Chairman of the Left Party faction in the parliament of the German town Quakenbrueck Andreas Maurer said on Tuesday that he is planning to introduce a bill calling for the recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia and lifting of anti-Russian sanctions.
Quakenbrueck? Sliši se kot velemesto.
Quakenbr%C3%BCck @ Wikipedia
Quakenbrück is a town in the district of Osnabrück, in Lower Saxony, Germany. It is situated on the river Hase. It is part of the Samtgemeinde ("collective municipality") of Artland.
Population (2015-12-31) 12,845
Kot je verjetno razvidno že zgoraj, gre za težkega ruskega propagandista.
https://sputniknews.com/russia/20171012...
Crimea's reunification with Russia was based on the decision of its residents, so Ukraine should not receive any compensation for the territory that seceded after a referendum, Maurer told Sputnik on Wednesday.
http://www.stalkerzone.org/german-deput...
It is noteworthy that the German deputy, according to his own words, visited the Russian peninsula for already the seventh time in a year. In turn, Maurer said, addressing Russians: “You have many more friends in Europe, Germany than you can imagine”.
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“When I come to Germany, I often feel ashamed of our politicians,” said Maurer.
Kaj se mora zgoditi klenemu zahodnemu Nemcu, da postane tak zagovornik ruskega pogleda na svet? Detajli manjkajo, verjetno pa pomaga, če si rojen v SZ, današnjem Kazahstanu.
https://www.noz.de/artikel/179632/im-po...
Zur Person:
Geboren: 5. Januar 1970 in Karangada in der ehemaligen Sowjetunion
Schule: Realschulabschluss in Pforzheim
P.S.
Rusom tako dol visi za zahod, da na nacionalno TV vabijo občinske svetnike iz Nemčije.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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