NATO in Rusija

Grey je 2. nov 2017 ob 12:17 izjavil:

Usmeri pozornost na leto '83.

Prebral sem celoten del za leto '83 in nisem našel ničesar kar bi potrjevalo tvojo trditev.

Mi lahko citiraš kateri del sem zgrešil?

Toliko da smo na jasnem, tvoja trditev je bila pobijanje kmetov in zažiganje šol. Med tem in zlorabo bolniškega dopusta, ki je ena izmed opisanih taktik, je nekaj precej pomembnih korakov.

https://books.google.si/books/about/Hum...

A ne znaš school v search vpisat? Recimo poglavje 2 Indiscriminate Attacks - stran 34: The contras then set fire to the school, ...

Kje dobijo rez. dele ?

Moskva, danes.

http://www.rbc.ru/photoreport/04/11/201...



Spet je 4. november in čas za ruski marš, ko slavi njihova skrajna desnica.

Zgleda je imel govor tudi tale:
Vsevolod Chaplin @ Wikipedia

Čaki mal, tip pravi da je bilo na shodu "200-300 človjekov"...

Sumljivo mi je blo da ne kažejo množice. Nato tip zinem da gre za parsto ljudi.

Ampak zanimivo da hodi okrog par tipov v solidnimi DSLRi in "dokumentirajo" bistveni del.

Kot da gre za plačano prireditev in rabijo fotke za potrditev, da je bil event uprizorjen ali kaj podobnega.

Dobro, to ti osebno pričakuješ.

Ampak česa je bil kokretno tu _Putin_ kriv ?

Stvar je bila tako pdana, v stilu materiali govorijo vse, "no comment needed".

Zato sprašujem, just for us clueless- kaj točno tako bombastičnega govorijo ti materiali ?

Smreki ne sanjaj,
Ampak ja lahko reöeü da je Putin, glede na zadnje dokumente celo delni lastnih FB-ja in Twiterja... Tako da suck it up...

A sploh ve, da se v FB steka ruski denar ?

MIslim, vsaj glede na današnji leak...

Brane22 je 4. nov 2017 ob 17:59 izjavil:

Povezava s Putinom? V glavnem nobene, razen tega, da protestirajo (tudi) proti njemu.

Ampak, ko ukrajinska skrajna desnica protestira proti Porošenku&co. to postane velika naslovnica na RT in v glavah nekaterih Casus Belli za rusko vojsko in rusko skrajno desnico v Ukrajini. Vojna je mir, svoboda je suženjstvo, ignoranca je moč.

Udeležba je bila letos res bolj slaba, vseeno pa jih je bilo več kot za 4 avtobuse. V prejšnjih letih je bilo bolj veselo.

2006 Russian march @ Wikipedia


Žalostno je tudi, da v taki antifa državi niso sposobni organizirat kontraprotesta.

Zelo verjeten ruski bot, ki poriva idejo, da je bil včerajšnji množični morilec antifa.

https://twitter.com/cdelpilar5/status/9...

Dekle, hispanka, cel kup RTjev na TL

https://twitter.com/cdelpilar5/

Hiter google search ne najde ničesar o njej, razen morda tole, podobna ampak ne vem, če gre za isto osebo

http://discoveringthewordofwisdom.com/w...

Replicirala je MccCainu

https://twitter.com/cdelpilar5/status/9...

in Assangeu (BTW, "obvlada" Angleščino)

https://twitter.com/cdelpilar5/status/9...

Hispanka, ki jo blazno skrbi za ppl of Crimea

https://twitter.com/cdelpilar5/status/8...
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https://twitter.com/cdelpilar5/status/8...

Ruski bot, zašpičeno.

Sem mislu že jaz vprašat, pa bi to najbrž sprožilo preveč nadaljnje debate.

Videt je, kot da ne uspe napraskat solidnih materialov in da pač poskuša dat kvoto s tem kar najde...

konspirator je 6. nov 2017 ob 21:30 izjavil:

Čigav bot si ti ?

On je AntiBOT™.

Še Nemci sledijo 'talking points' ruskih trolov:

http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

In koliko je teh primerov? Poročilo uporabnika Reddita rightwingdings:

New York Times' summary of the hundreds of thousands of Russian online trolling employees directed by Putin (published in 2015, even before the election):
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magaz...

The trolls are measured on how many likes they get and know that bringing up "guns and gays" with conservatives is one of the guaranteed ways:
“That could always get you a couple of dozen likes.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-trol...

Russia's accounts setting up Texas secession protests and anti-Hillary Clinton protests:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-...

Russia-backed groups trying to set up a California secession referendum ballot initiative:
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/17/c...

Russia's accounts targeting US vets:
The Oxford University study found that three websites with Kremlin ties — Veteranstoday, Veteransnewsnow and Southfront — engaged in “significant and persistent interactions” with the U.S. military community,
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity...

Russian accounts spreading "fake news" about Black Lives Matter targeting Republicans in key states, who then made it viral for free (screenshots in article):
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/...

Russia's pattern that Facebook's chief security officer noticed:
“appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/...

Russian accounts pretending to be American Muslims:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-...

"Russian trolls trying to sow discord in NFL kneeling debate":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na...

More screenshots of how obvious Russia's accounts are working on specific things like Ukraine, Trump, Brexit:
https://imgur.com/gallery/6flYH

One of the many ways Trump's campaign is accused of working with Russia is giving them US voter data to target with the fake news and other tactics:
200 million American voters' data, including voting histories, religion, political views:
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity...

User data mining corporation Cambridge Analytica, owned by the billionaire who funds Steve Bannon and Breitbart and who believes nuclear war radiation is a good thing:
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/22/521083950...

Steve Bannon on similar tactics to get young white males "radicalized": the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online. And five years later when Bannon wound up at Breitbart, he resolved to try and attract those people over to Breitbart because he thought they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way. And the way that Bannon did that, the bridge between the angry abusive gamers and Breitbart and Pepe was Milo Yiannopoulous, who Bannon discovered and hired to be Breitbart’s tech editor.
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ba...

Lots more on his Gamergate tactics:
https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comme...

The billionaire who backs Steve Bannon, Breitbart, and the user targeting data corporation Cambridge Analytica that may have also worked with Russia:
https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comme...

Samuel je 7. nov 2017 ob 14:54 izjavil:

Iatromantis je 7. nov 2017 ob 13:45 izjavil:

More screenshots of how obvious Russia's accounts are working on specific things like Ukraine, Trump, Brexit:
https://imgur.com/gallery/6flYH

klap klap, na nivoju KGBja
poceni in učinkovito (plača, 1000$ na mesec, boljš pa kokr vsak F-35)

95.500 tweeter accounta followa.. a si predstavljaš kolko je to enih tweetov vsak dan za pogledat :P

Niti ni tako veliko, ~2200 standardnih strani/dan glede na omejitev dolžine napisanega na Twitterju. Ena dobra znanstvena knjiga, no biggie. Če imaš še software za seboj, ki ti sfiltrira ven tisto, kar te zanima je sledenje taki količini piece of cake. Niti ni nujno, da je bot ali Rus.

Zelo verjetno pa je nekdo, ki:

- ima dovolj časa za to (potencialno plačan za delovanje na social media ali pa ima sam po sebi denarja ko pečka in si lahko to privošči)
- nima popolnoma mainstream pogleda

Tlačenje Rusov noter je malo neokusno...nek boogeyman mora bit al kako?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...




The account was set to private following a report by The Times, with a tweet claiming that allegations of Russian connections were false and "completely defamatory", adding: "I am not pro Kremlin at all, I am just a Brexit supporter."
But attempts by journalists and analysts to verify "Jones's" identity have so far failed and the person running the account has not responded to contact from The Independent.

- Data appears to show the account tweeting regularly between 5am and 5pm UK time - 8am to 8pm in Russia - seven days a week.
- Why would somebody living somewhere in the Solent getting up before 5am in the morning and spending 12 hours tweeting far-right and Kremlin talking points seven days a week.

137000 tweets in 1736 days (since Jan 2013), if David keeps an 8 hour unbroken working day with no toilet or meal breaks or weekends or holidays, he's tweeting at the rate of 1 every 6 minutes. In other words his profile isn't an individual self-financed real person and if anyone thinks it is, they're enumerate. Question: who is financing the generation of all those tweets?

Samuel je 7. nov 2017 ob 15:32 izjavil:

Grey je 7. nov 2017 ob 15:15 izjavil:

Tlačenje Rusov noter je malo neokusno...nek boogeyman mora bit al kako?

vse si preber...

Saj sem. In s tvojim naslednjim postom (vsakih ~ 6 minut) si samo potrdil, da je bila moja ocena (dve alineji) dokaj pravilna.

Tudi, kako težko je nastavit VPN in Tweetat preko Ruskega VPN vozlišča? Točen odgovor, od kod transakcije prihajajo, verjetno ve Twitter. Nikakor pa ne ta Twitteraš, ki je naredil to "analizo" še manj pa mediji.

Recimo v Srbiji trenutno inštelirane ameriške lutke so ugrabile dober del DRŽAVNEGA BUDŽETA v ta namen.
Se pravi, zaposlujejo shitload ljudi v državne službe, ki jih služba ni nikoli videla.



daš link?

Scaramouche je 7. nov 2017 ob 16:52 izjavil:

Recimo v Srbiji trenutno inštelirane ameriške lutke so ugrabile dober del DRŽAVNEGA BUDŽETA v ta namen.
Se pravi, zaposlujejo shitload ljudi v državne službe, ki jih služba ni nikoli videla.



daš link?

Ta trenutek ga ne najdem in ne da se mi iskat okrog. Je blo pa žnj tovrstnih člankov.
Če se prav spomnim, tudi od folka, ki je uspel reči "fuck you" in zbežati v tujino v službo, ki jim ne bi obračala želodca.

Srbi so jim začetka rekli sendvičarji ( folk, ki dela za sendvič ) a to za ekipo, ki dela na on-line marketingu baje ne velja. Plačani so lahko dokaj solidno, sploh uspešnejši.

A le redki zdržijo več ko nekaj mesecev, ne da bi prišli do totalnega zasičenja ob nenehnem zatiranju folka, kateremu so sicer po prepričanjih podobni.

Grey je 7. nov 2017 ob 16:36 izjavil:

Saj sem. In s tvojim naslednjim postom (vsakih ~ 6 minut) si samo potrdil, da je bila moja ocena (dve alineji) dokaj pravilna.

Tudi, kako težko je nastavit VPN in Tweetat preko Ruskega VPN vozlišča? Točen odgovor, od kod transakcije prihajajo, verjetno ve Twitter. Nikakor pa ne ta Twitteraš, ki je naredil to "analizo" še manj pa mediji.

Twitter account, ki twita samo to, kar ruska politika hoče in misli na vsake 6 minut od leta 2013 bo kar ruska zadeva. So ga večkrat pozvali, da naj se pojavi, pa se ni. V glavnem, ta "oseba" ni Anglež za kart se predstavlja.

Evo ti neki za novi cikel:

Bomba od papira: SAD varale EU-prodavale ruski gas

B92 je nizko padel. Dobesedno prevajajo RT.

https://www.rt.com/business/409028-russ...

Brane22 je 7. nov 2017 ob 20:57 izjavil:

Evo ti neki za novi cikel:

Bomba od papira: SAD varale EU-prodavale ruski gas

In Poljakom se prodaja premog iz Luganska.
https://en.hromadske.ua/posts/polish-mi...
https://ukropnews24.com/in-poland-told-...


Članek z veliko povezavami
https://jamestown.org/program/coal-smug...

Brane22 je 7. nov 2017 ob 21:42 izjavil:

AMpak počakajmo, da se stvar razplete.

Razpleteno.

Niso vozili LNG (metan), ampak LPG (butan-propan). Vsi vpleteni so vedeli, da iz Rusije.

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/det...

Originalni članek je za paywallom, ampak dovolj podobno.

http://www.knack.be/nieuws/wereld/parad...

gtranslate:

The Yauza, preferably 160 meters long and 26 meters wide, transports liquefied gas from Russia. The ship just took a trip of nearly 3000 kilometers, filled with gas cooled to -42 degrees. Four days earlier, the ship departed from the Russian harbor Oest Loega, 160 kilometers from St. Petersburg.

The Yauza Russian LPG is stocked at the Antwerp Gas Terminal in large refrigerated storage tanks. From there, it leaves in lorries and rail wagons to the rest of Belgium, Luxembourg, northern France and Germany. The liquefied gas is for the automotive market (LPG cars) and the heating of houses. The gas can enter Europe without any problems. Because although the European Union declared sanctions against several Russian companies after the Ukraine crisis, gas exports do not fall under this.

...

American Minister of Commerce Wilbur L. Ross Jr. has a stake in the Navigator Holdings Ltd shipping company, which generates millions of dollars per year from deals with the Russian energy company Sibur.

The owners of Sibur include Poetin's son-in-law, Kirill Shamalov , married to Poetin's youngest daughter, and Russian oligarch Gennady Timchenko . The latter is on the sanction list of the Treasury Department because, according to the United States, he is "directly linked to Putin."



Dva problema
1) LPG-ja ni potrebno hladit na -42 stopinj
2) kako talentiran krmar moraš biti, da iz Sankt Peterburga do Antwerpna narediš 3000 km?

1) Tip, ki bi takoj ukinil vse sankcije.
2) S plinom, za katerega ni plinovodov iz Rusije.
3) Sankcij kot kaže niso kršili. Malo je neugodno samo, da so v blazno bližnjih kolenih precej neugledni Rusi.