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Mr.B ::
Še nisi dojel.
JFK was Putin's job.
Folk, ki za vsako slabo stvar na tem svetu obtožuje ZDA, se čudi temu, ko se za marsikaj obtožuje Rusijo.
Smešno.
Ne pozabi, China.
V sloveniji pa no sej ves jj
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
7tom1ja ::
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
Pac-Man ::
Raša didn't do shit, del nevemkolkže.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-t...
A Russian-government-backed “troll factory” hired a black man and a Hillary Clinton look-alike to make a sex tape, according to the first former employee of the factory’s American division to go on the record.
Alan Baskaev worked for the troll factory, also known as the Internet Research Agency, for about six months, he told the independent Russian television channel TV Rain.
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Baskaev now works teaching Russian in Thailand, but just two years ago, as a college student, he talked his way into a job impersonating “Kentucky rednecks” and black Americans with youthful bravado.
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“You know, there’s this meme about the troll factory, people sitting in black caps, masks, behind them there’s a photo of Putin and a Russian flag. They’re so intense,” he said, shaking his head. “I don’t know what happened on the day shift, but the night shift was a bacchanal. We did the most ridiculous things we could think of.”
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The night shift trolls played ISIS songs and greeted each other with “Glory to Ukraine,” Baskaev told TV Rain.
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Once, Baskaev recalled, Russian propaganda-makers thought they hit the “sensation” jackpot with a fake video of a black man and a woman who looked like Hillary Clinton having sex.
“Do you understand... no one will believe that,” Baskaev said.
Another time, he recalled, “our idiots” made a video that supposedly featured an African-American soldier shooting a Quran. But, Baskaev laughs, the man turned out to have an African accent. (Comments on the YouTube page for that video are in Russian, mocking the failed piece of propaganda.)
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And Baskaev fingered Putin pal Yevgeny Prigozhin as his former “boss,” or “our guy who gives us money.” But the real head of the American department, he said, was the Azerbaijani-born Dzheykhun Aslanov—known simply as “Jay.”
O Prigožinu, vklopi podnapise:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-t...
A Russian-government-backed “troll factory” hired a black man and a Hillary Clinton look-alike to make a sex tape, according to the first former employee of the factory’s American division to go on the record.
Alan Baskaev worked for the troll factory, also known as the Internet Research Agency, for about six months, he told the independent Russian television channel TV Rain.
...
Baskaev now works teaching Russian in Thailand, but just two years ago, as a college student, he talked his way into a job impersonating “Kentucky rednecks” and black Americans with youthful bravado.
...
“You know, there’s this meme about the troll factory, people sitting in black caps, masks, behind them there’s a photo of Putin and a Russian flag. They’re so intense,” he said, shaking his head. “I don’t know what happened on the day shift, but the night shift was a bacchanal. We did the most ridiculous things we could think of.”
...
The night shift trolls played ISIS songs and greeted each other with “Glory to Ukraine,” Baskaev told TV Rain.
...
Once, Baskaev recalled, Russian propaganda-makers thought they hit the “sensation” jackpot with a fake video of a black man and a woman who looked like Hillary Clinton having sex.
“Do you understand... no one will believe that,” Baskaev said.
Another time, he recalled, “our idiots” made a video that supposedly featured an African-American soldier shooting a Quran. But, Baskaev laughs, the man turned out to have an African accent. (Comments on the YouTube page for that video are in Russian, mocking the failed piece of propaganda.)
...
And Baskaev fingered Putin pal Yevgeny Prigozhin as his former “boss,” or “our guy who gives us money.” But the real head of the American department, he said, was the Azerbaijani-born Dzheykhun Aslanov—known simply as “Jay.”
O Prigožinu, vklopi podnapise:
Pac-Man ::
https://medium.com/@PoliticsPeach/ive-b...
freedom of speech po ameriško
Zanimivo.
Grozi s tožbo, RT spiše dolg članek o njej, vseeno pa ne upa nastopit z imenom in priimkom. Kako točno bo potekala tožba?
https://www.rt.com/usa/407896-black-act...
BTW, ameriška svoboda govora od privatnih podjetij ne zahteva, da ti nudijo platformo.
7tom1ja ::
https://medium.com/@PoliticsPeach/ive-b...
freedom of speech po ameriško
Zanimivo.
Grozi s tožbo, RT spiše dolg članek o njej, vseeno pa ne upa nastopit z imenom in priimkom. Kako točno bo potekala tožba?
https://www.rt.com/usa/407896-black-act...
BTW, ameriška svoboda govora od privatnih podjetij ne zahteva, da ti nudijo platformo.
Ojej, sam ti lahko nasedaš takšnim člankom, he he; kje pa je ta video ?
Me ne čudi, da bi kaj takega ti potegnil iz tega; ne razumem zakaj bi človeka skenslali s Twitterja tudi če bi res bil ruski bot; ali twitter dela za ameriško vlado ?
Mimogrede, ali ameriška svoboda zahteva terorizem nad lastnim prebivalstvom z namenom obtoževanja drugih vlad ?
https://twitter.com/okrable/status/9241...
Na nas leži naloga, da naprej razvijamo našo samoupravno socialistično družbo,
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
da jo gradimo na revolucionarnih temeljih, temeljih marksizma.
Brigada AVNOJ 77;Komisar Ivan Janša
konspirator ::
Jens ima vročino, hudo.
Da nima kakšne ebole.
https://www.logicno.com/politika/jens-s...
Nato je s propadom USSR oz Varšavskega pakta že dolgo nazaj izgubil smisel za obstoj in sedaj panično po vsem svetu iščejo novega sovražnika, samo da bi upravičil svoj obstoj!
Da nima kakšne ebole.
https://www.logicno.com/politika/jens-s...
Nato je s propadom USSR oz Varšavskega pakta že dolgo nazaj izgubil smisel za obstoj in sedaj panično po vsem svetu iščejo novega sovražnika, samo da bi upravičil svoj obstoj!
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Zgodovina sprememb…
- spremenilo: konspirator ()
Cervantes ::
konspirator je izjavil:
Jens ima vročino, hudo.
Da nima kakšne ebole.
https://www.logicno.com/politika/jens-s...
Nato je s propadom USSR oz Varšavskega pakta že dolgo nazaj izgubil smisel za obstoj in sedaj panično po vsem svetu iščejo novega sovražnika, samo da bi upravičil svoj obstoj!
Predvsem pa vojaško-industrijski kompleks, ne samo ameriški.
Pac-Man ::
"Kako čustveno ste navezani na svojo državo?", praktično meritev patriotizma.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu...
Rusi so malenkost manj od Slovencev.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu...
Mr.B ::
"Kako čustveno ste navezani na svojo državo?", praktično meritev patriotizma.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu...
Rusi so malenkost manj od Slovencev.
Kje je pa USA USA USA _
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-t...
A website hosted by Russia’s “troll farm” in St. Petersburg attempted to push an African-American boycott of Christmas with articles and a line of typo-ridden merchandise last year.
BlackMattersUS, which independent Russian media outlet RBC identified as one of the most influential websites and troll accounts operated out of the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency, pushed T-shirts imploring its users to “Say no! To ho-ho-ho,” alongside a picture of a candy cane.
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Five days before Christmas last year, BlackMattersUS wrote a story titled “Reasons to Boycott Christmas” that was largely plagiarized from a blog at the “Nation of Islam Research Group,” but used several different opportunities to link out to BlackMattersUS’ online store.
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The post also claims that “The Bible outlaws XMas,” and tells African-Americans to boycott the holiday because "you can't afford it."
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Right-wing media outlets like Fox News have pushed the narrative of a “War on Christmas” for years, claiming that Starbucks cups that don’t explicitly say “Merry Christmas” represent “the latest battleground in a cultural war over Christmas.”
The Kremlin troll accounts frequently took advantage of those already existing right-wing talking points, but were only sometimes successful.
“In a normal influence campaign, you do these things called ‘audience analysis’ and ‘product testing’ to see what works before you put it out there. They didn’t. They try everything, then go with what works,” former FBI counterterrorism agent and Russian cyber warfare expert Clint Watts, told The Daily Beast last month.
“They skipped the product testing phase. They didn’t do it. And they also don’t care.”
Tule se ne strinjam s Clintom. Cilj ni bil črnski bojkot božiča, ampak psihiranje rasističnih konzervativcev, ki jim je 'bama satan's incarnate. V njihovih glavah ima zgodba zmisel.
A website hosted by Russia’s “troll farm” in St. Petersburg attempted to push an African-American boycott of Christmas with articles and a line of typo-ridden merchandise last year.
BlackMattersUS, which independent Russian media outlet RBC identified as one of the most influential websites and troll accounts operated out of the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency, pushed T-shirts imploring its users to “Say no! To ho-ho-ho,” alongside a picture of a candy cane.
...
Five days before Christmas last year, BlackMattersUS wrote a story titled “Reasons to Boycott Christmas” that was largely plagiarized from a blog at the “Nation of Islam Research Group,” but used several different opportunities to link out to BlackMattersUS’ online store.
...
The post also claims that “The Bible outlaws XMas,” and tells African-Americans to boycott the holiday because "you can't afford it."
...
Right-wing media outlets like Fox News have pushed the narrative of a “War on Christmas” for years, claiming that Starbucks cups that don’t explicitly say “Merry Christmas” represent “the latest battleground in a cultural war over Christmas.”
The Kremlin troll accounts frequently took advantage of those already existing right-wing talking points, but were only sometimes successful.
“In a normal influence campaign, you do these things called ‘audience analysis’ and ‘product testing’ to see what works before you put it out there. They didn’t. They try everything, then go with what works,” former FBI counterterrorism agent and Russian cyber warfare expert Clint Watts, told The Daily Beast last month.
“They skipped the product testing phase. They didn’t do it. And they also don’t care.”
Tule se ne strinjam s Clintom. Cilj ni bil črnski bojkot božiča, ampak psihiranje rasističnih konzervativcev, ki jim je 'bama satan's incarnate. V njihovih glavah ima zgodba zmisel.
Mr.B ::
Pac-Man,
Predlagam da si porebereš knjigo : Public Policy Praxis: A Case Approach for Understanding Policy and Analysis
Da ne boš preveč o ti. "conspiracy theory" začel razlagat, pa te ne bodo preveč resno jemali, glede na to da nas prepričuješ da to delajo sovražni elementi tipa China in Rusija ter Iran... pa verjetno vsak trenutni inbtereni partner v konfliktu z Ameriko.
Predlagam da si porebereš knjigo : Public Policy Praxis: A Case Approach for Understanding Policy and Analysis
Da ne boš preveč o ti. "conspiracy theory" začel razlagat, pa te ne bodo preveč resno jemali, glede na to da nas prepričuješ da to delajo sovražni elementi tipa China in Rusija ter Iran... pa verjetno vsak trenutni inbtereni partner v konfliktu z Ameriko.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Namerno psihiranje nestabilnih rasistov, ki bi znali napast kak BLM shod, ni ravno pozitivna praksa.
Pac-Man ::
Podobna zgodba s strani alt-right idiotov. Vsakemu s pol možganov je jasno, da gre za očitno bedasto provokacijo, ampak nekateri so tako indoktrinirani, da jim je vse skupaj smiselno.
http://gothamist.com/2017/10/31/mike_ce...
Here's how that happened: On Monday night, Alt Right meme-maker and self-styled "national security reporter" Mike Cernovich was invited by the Columbia University College Republicans to deliver a speech about the rise of "alternative media." His appearance sparked protests from some members of the student body, who questioned the value of providing a platform to a speaker who critics call a rape apologist, white nationalist, and serial online harasser. An hour prior to the speech, as a few hundred people gathered to rally against the event, a group of counter demonstrators—disguised as protesters—briefly unveiled a NAMBLA-branded banner suggesting the anti-Cernovich crowd was also anti-"pedo bashing" (as in, pro-pedophile).
"Someone said 'hold this real quick' and then they proceeded to snap pics," recalls Mistee Denson, a Columbia social work student and one of the organizers of the protest.
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In quick succession, Cernovich, Posobiec and other Alt Right luminaries swiped my photo, sending their own tweets without any mention that the banner was planted. The image was removed from Cernovich's Twitter once I reported the copyright infringement, though that only fueled the firestorm: Paul Joseph Watson, a writer at InfoWars, then claimed that Twitter was censoring the #NAMBLAANTIFA image. As of this writing, his censorship-alleging tweet has been shared over 12,000 times, and liked by 10,000 people—including Donald Trump Jr..
Watson's story about pro-pedophile protesters and Twitter censorship is on the front page of InfoWars.
Čakam, kdaj bo prvi padalec omenil tu ali na MMC.
približen vzorec
real deal
http://gothamist.com/2017/10/31/mike_ce...
Here's how that happened: On Monday night, Alt Right meme-maker and self-styled "national security reporter" Mike Cernovich was invited by the Columbia University College Republicans to deliver a speech about the rise of "alternative media." His appearance sparked protests from some members of the student body, who questioned the value of providing a platform to a speaker who critics call a rape apologist, white nationalist, and serial online harasser. An hour prior to the speech, as a few hundred people gathered to rally against the event, a group of counter demonstrators—disguised as protesters—briefly unveiled a NAMBLA-branded banner suggesting the anti-Cernovich crowd was also anti-"pedo bashing" (as in, pro-pedophile).
"Someone said 'hold this real quick' and then they proceeded to snap pics," recalls Mistee Denson, a Columbia social work student and one of the organizers of the protest.
...
In quick succession, Cernovich, Posobiec and other Alt Right luminaries swiped my photo, sending their own tweets without any mention that the banner was planted. The image was removed from Cernovich's Twitter once I reported the copyright infringement, though that only fueled the firestorm: Paul Joseph Watson, a writer at InfoWars, then claimed that Twitter was censoring the #NAMBLAANTIFA image. As of this writing, his censorship-alleging tweet has been shared over 12,000 times, and liked by 10,000 people—including Donald Trump Jr..
Watson's story about pro-pedophile protesters and Twitter censorship is on the front page of InfoWars.
Čakam, kdaj bo prvi padalec omenil tu ali na MMC.
Mr.B ::
Pac-Mac,
Veš v zahodnem svetu se manipulira po bolj po finesah. Tale film je sicer star. V tem času so začeli uporabljati modernejše metode...
Film 1 : wait for it
Film 2 : poanta..
Film 3 : Expelling the Russians
Film 4 : no ta je izven kontksta, namenjen pa bolj levo od levih Slovenskih strank
Pa še kakšnega si pogledaj. Da ne boš preveč očitnih oslari na forumu pisal, ker večina tvojih prispekv nima glave, kaj šele z interesom zaostrovanja retorike..
PS : Amapk sej vem da bo tvoj odgovor na nivoju, da uporabljam kot vir mojih trditev nekaj na temo satiričnih oddaj prejšnjega stoletja...
Veš v zahodnem svetu se manipulira po bolj po finesah. Tale film je sicer star. V tem času so začeli uporabljati modernejše metode...
Film 1 : wait for it
Film 2 : poanta..
Film 3 : Expelling the Russians
Film 4 : no ta je izven kontksta, namenjen pa bolj levo od levih Slovenskih strank
Pa še kakšnega si pogledaj. Da ne boš preveč očitnih oslari na forumu pisal, ker večina tvojih prispekv nima glave, kaj šele z interesom zaostrovanja retorike..
PS : Amapk sej vem da bo tvoj odgovor na nivoju, da uporabljam kot vir mojih trditev nekaj na temo satiričnih oddaj prejšnjega stoletja...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
PS : Amapk sej vem da bo tvoj odgovor na nivoju, da uporabljam kot vir mojih trditev nekaj na temo satiričnih oddaj prejšnjega stoletja...Hvala, si mi prihranil par sekund.
Tule je pa bistvo, v lepem paketku z mašnjico.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/31/media/r...
Posts from three now-removed Facebook groups created by the Russian Internet Research Agency suggest Russia sought not only to meddle in U.S. politics but to encourage ideologically opposed groups to act out violently against one another.
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For example, "Being Patriotic," a group that regularly posted content praising Donald Trump's candidacy, stated in an April 2016 post that Black Lives Matter activists who disrespected the American flag should be "be immediately shot." The account accrued about 200,000 followers before it was shut down.
Another Russia-linked group, "Blacktivist," described police brutality in a November 2016 post weeks after the election, and stated, "Black people have to do something. An eye for an eye. The law enforcement officers keep harassing and killing us without consequences."
Mr.B ::
PS : Amapk sej vem da bo tvoj odgovor na nivoju, da uporabljam kot vir mojih trditev nekaj na temo satiričnih oddaj prejšnjega stoletja...Hvala, si mi prihranil par sekund.
Tule je pa bistvo, v lepem paketku z mašnjico.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/31/media/r...
Posts from three now-removed Facebook groups created by the Russian Internet Research Agency suggest Russia sought not only to meddle in U.S. politics but to encourage ideologically opposed groups to act out violently against one another.
...
For example, "Being Patriotic," a group that regularly posted content praising Donald Trump's candidacy, stated in an April 2016 post that Black Lives Matter activists who disrespected the American flag should be "be immediately shot." The account accrued about 200,000 followers before it was shut down.
Another Russia-linked group, "Blacktivist," described police brutality in a November 2016 post weeks after the election, and stated, "Black people have to do something. An eye for an eye. The law enforcement officers keep harassing and killing us without consequences."
Povprečni Američan, ki voli kaj šele da bi bral tvoje linke, ne zna niti našteti ministre trenutne vlade. Verjetno to velja tudi za Slovence kot Evropejce. In tebe skrbi da se podskopava NATO na temo nekih ruskih twitow in FB računov, kaj šele nekih obscurnih web strani.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Povprečni Američan, ki voli kaj šele da bi bral tvoje linke, ne zna niti našteti ministre trenutne vlade. Verjetno to velja tudi za Slovence kot Evropejce. In tebe skrbi da se podskopava NATO na temo nekih ruskih twitow in FB računov, kaj šele nekih obscurnih web strani.
Povprečni Američani so samo postranski bonus, aktivno se dela na novih Oswaldih. Kar v osnovi spominja na iskanje igle v senu, ampak ima lahko vseeno dober RoI, pač loterija. Če ti pa FB omogoči da s tovrstnimi sporočili načrtno ciljaš npr. z 2. amandmajem obsedene gledalce Fox News pa vse skupaj izpade še precej boljše.
Mr.B ::
Povprečni Američan, ki voli kaj šele da bi bral tvoje linke, ne zna niti našteti ministre trenutne vlade. Verjetno to velja tudi za Slovence kot Evropejce. In tebe skrbi da se podskopava NATO na temo nekih ruskih twitow in FB računov, kaj šele nekih obscurnih web strani.
Povprečni Američani so samo postranski bonus, aktivno se dela na novih Oswaldih. Kar v osnovi spominja na iskanje igle v senu, ampak ima lahko vseeno dober RoI, pač loterija. Če ti pa FB omogoči da s tovrstnimi sporočili načrtno ciljaš npr. z 2. amandmajem obsedene gledalce Fox News pa vse skupaj izpade še precej boljše.
Torej bi rekel da je fond ki financira to stran iz Ameriškega "črnega" sklada, če mora FOX news to euforijo predvajati naprej...
No v obeh primerih nima tovja objava nobene veze v tem NATO in Rusija. Ups no naslov je napačen, ker je tema po Smrekarjevo, Amerikanci demokratično vpeljujejo demokracijo na kosovu, ostali bi pa radi samo izkoriščali.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Brane22 ::
Meanwhile in d land of d fri:
NYC terror attack leaves 8 dead, several injured; suspect's notes pledged ISIS loyalty
Odziv Assangea:
Če bi se CIA manj DžejmsBondirala po vzhodu in dejanjsko preganjala teroriste, tega mogoče ne bi bilo.
NYC terror attack leaves 8 dead, several injured; suspect's notes pledged ISIS loyalty
Odziv Assangea:
Če bi se CIA manj DžejmsBondirala po vzhodu in dejanjsko preganjala teroriste, tega mogoče ne bi bilo.
On a journey of life I chose a psycho path...
Pac-Man ::
Če to ni odličen RoI pa ne vem...
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-t...
Russian actors organized both anti-Islam and pro-Islam protests in the same location at the same time on May 21, 2016, using separate Facebook pages operated from a so-called troll farm in St. Petersburg, the Senate Intelligence Committee disclosed on Wednesday.
A Facebook page named Heart of Texas, whose link to Russia was first reported by Business Insider, organized a rally at noon on May 21 at the Islamic Da'wah Center in Houston to "Stop Islamization of Texas." The account paid to promote the event, which was viewed by about 12,000 people, said the committee's chairman, Sen. Richard Burr.
Another Russia-linked account, United Muslims of America, organized a counterprotest — a "Save Islamic Knowledge" rally.
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Burr said that organizing and promoting these protests cost Russia "about $200."
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-t...
Russian actors organized both anti-Islam and pro-Islam protests in the same location at the same time on May 21, 2016, using separate Facebook pages operated from a so-called troll farm in St. Petersburg, the Senate Intelligence Committee disclosed on Wednesday.
A Facebook page named Heart of Texas, whose link to Russia was first reported by Business Insider, organized a rally at noon on May 21 at the Islamic Da'wah Center in Houston to "Stop Islamization of Texas." The account paid to promote the event, which was viewed by about 12,000 people, said the committee's chairman, Sen. Richard Burr.
Another Russia-linked account, United Muslims of America, organized a counterprotest — a "Save Islamic Knowledge" rally.
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Burr said that organizing and promoting these protests cost Russia "about $200."
Pac-Man ::
Nobene ideologije, samo povzročanje kaosa.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-dem...
House Drops Motherlode of Russian Propaganda
House Democrats released a trove of data, metadata, Facebook ads, and Twitter accounts run out of the Kremlin’s troll farm.
The ad was highly specific—and specifically Russian.
It was for a Facebook group called Defend The 2nd. Above an image showing a cornucopia of bullets, it billed itself as “The community of 2nd Amendment supporters, guns lovers & patriots.” That was how it appeared to the public—the American public—but Facebook internally held data that told a different story.
Ad targeting information associated with Defend The 2nd showed how highly targeted it was. The location for viewership had to be within the United States. They had to be between the ages of 18 to over 65. They had to match Facebook users with interests including the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Sisters, Gun Owners of America, Concealed carry in the United States, and Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
The ad did not come from people for whom the Second Amendment applies. Payment, through the online payment service Qiwi, came in the form of 48,305.55 Rubles, or roughly $829. For that, Russia garnered over 301,000 “impressions” from Americans, with no questions asked by Facebook.
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Taken together, the ads and the metadata provide a deeper picture than previously known of one aspect of Russia’s so-called “active measures” disinformation campaign. Hundreds of millions of Americans – nearly 150 million, Facebook acknowledged on Wednesday – didn’t realize online political material they were seeing and sharing came from a foreign adversary.
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Another ad, on the Russian “LGBT United” page, featured a coloring-book portrait of a brolic-as-fuck Senator Bernie Sanders in a thong flexing his prodigious muscles in front of the White House.
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Another Russian-sponsored Facebook group, referenced in the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier on Wednesday, was called Stop All Invaders, or Stop AI. One of its broken-English ads implored: “Burqa is a security risk and should be banned on US soil” above a photo of three blue burqa-clad women.
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One of them, for a page called Donald Trump America, was an online petition demanding the “disqualification and removal” of Clinton from the presidential race on the grounds of opposing “the dynastic succession of the Clinton family in American politics.” The ad targeting indicators were: people inside the U.S. whose interests including Donald Trump, Donald Trump for President and – perhaps less obviously – Donald Trump Jr. It cost 14,606.52 rubles, slightly less than $251.
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Part of the release of Facebook ads from House Democrats also included specific metadata about the reach of the ads and their specific targets.
For instance, one of the videos produced by Williams & Kalvin, a duo previously exposed by The Daily Beast as being linked to Russian propaganda, had over 15,000 ad impressions on Facebook. The video in question, about the conspiratorial Danney Williams who has posed as the son of former President Bill Clinton, was targeted to individuals with interests in “Martin Luther King Jr.,” “African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954-68)” and “African-American History or Malcolm X.”
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Others were significantly less successful. One ad from “United Muslims of America” depicting Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) with a caption reading “Sanders Win With Help From Arab and Muslim Americans is No Surprise” had zero ad clicks according to the metadata and 11 ad impressions.
The Kremlin trolling operation targeted Instagram, too. One advertisement from the handle “_american.made” promoted images of Trump and encouraged people to attend rallies in general.
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But they weren’t all geared toward attacking the Democratic nominee. One Facebook page, known as “BM,” promoted an event in New York City’s Union Square billed as a march against Trump. “Racism won, Ignorance won, Sexual assault won,” the ad reads.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-dem...
House Drops Motherlode of Russian Propaganda
House Democrats released a trove of data, metadata, Facebook ads, and Twitter accounts run out of the Kremlin’s troll farm.
The ad was highly specific—and specifically Russian.
It was for a Facebook group called Defend The 2nd. Above an image showing a cornucopia of bullets, it billed itself as “The community of 2nd Amendment supporters, guns lovers & patriots.” That was how it appeared to the public—the American public—but Facebook internally held data that told a different story.
Ad targeting information associated with Defend The 2nd showed how highly targeted it was. The location for viewership had to be within the United States. They had to be between the ages of 18 to over 65. They had to match Facebook users with interests including the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Sisters, Gun Owners of America, Concealed carry in the United States, and Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
The ad did not come from people for whom the Second Amendment applies. Payment, through the online payment service Qiwi, came in the form of 48,305.55 Rubles, or roughly $829. For that, Russia garnered over 301,000 “impressions” from Americans, with no questions asked by Facebook.
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Taken together, the ads and the metadata provide a deeper picture than previously known of one aspect of Russia’s so-called “active measures” disinformation campaign. Hundreds of millions of Americans – nearly 150 million, Facebook acknowledged on Wednesday – didn’t realize online political material they were seeing and sharing came from a foreign adversary.
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Another ad, on the Russian “LGBT United” page, featured a coloring-book portrait of a brolic-as-fuck Senator Bernie Sanders in a thong flexing his prodigious muscles in front of the White House.
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Another Russian-sponsored Facebook group, referenced in the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier on Wednesday, was called Stop All Invaders, or Stop AI. One of its broken-English ads implored: “Burqa is a security risk and should be banned on US soil” above a photo of three blue burqa-clad women.
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One of them, for a page called Donald Trump America, was an online petition demanding the “disqualification and removal” of Clinton from the presidential race on the grounds of opposing “the dynastic succession of the Clinton family in American politics.” The ad targeting indicators were: people inside the U.S. whose interests including Donald Trump, Donald Trump for President and – perhaps less obviously – Donald Trump Jr. It cost 14,606.52 rubles, slightly less than $251.
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Part of the release of Facebook ads from House Democrats also included specific metadata about the reach of the ads and their specific targets.
For instance, one of the videos produced by Williams & Kalvin, a duo previously exposed by The Daily Beast as being linked to Russian propaganda, had over 15,000 ad impressions on Facebook. The video in question, about the conspiratorial Danney Williams who has posed as the son of former President Bill Clinton, was targeted to individuals with interests in “Martin Luther King Jr.,” “African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954-68)” and “African-American History or Malcolm X.”
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Others were significantly less successful. One ad from “United Muslims of America” depicting Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) with a caption reading “Sanders Win With Help From Arab and Muslim Americans is No Surprise” had zero ad clicks according to the metadata and 11 ad impressions.
The Kremlin trolling operation targeted Instagram, too. One advertisement from the handle “_american.made” promoted images of Trump and encouraged people to attend rallies in general.
...
But they weren’t all geared toward attacking the Democratic nominee. One Facebook page, known as “BM,” promoted an event in New York City’s Union Square billed as a march against Trump. “Racism won, Ignorance won, Sexual assault won,” the ad reads.
Brane22 ::
Torej bolje obvladajo marketing demokracije od Victorie Newland in njenih teamov za terensko demokratizacijo.
Zakaj tolk ventiliraš okrog tega ?
Zakaj tolk ventiliraš okrog tega ?
On a journey of life I chose a psycho path...
Cervantes ::
Pac-Man ::
Zakaj tolk ventiliraš okrog tega ?
1) Ker je zanimivo.
2) Ker cel kup sodržavljanov tišči glave v pesek.
65 strani blokiranih twitter handlov:
https://democrats-intelligence.house.go...
Trumpov lulu video zna biti resničen ;)
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/92...
Okay I definitely found the weirdest of all of the newly-confirmed Russian troll accounts: @PeeOnHillary
Grey ::
Kdor misli, da so to bili pravi ruski računi in strani, je zrel za na Polje. Centralna agencija je za vsem tem.
Kako lahko je za neko tako vohunsko organizacijo preko VPNa simulirat ruske IPje in igrat kontra igro? Ter posadit fejk dokaze samo za to, da se ploza naprej ta anti-rus narrative? Ne bi bilo prvič, da so nastavil fejk dokaze za to, da dosežejo svoje.
Kako lahko je za neko tako vohunsko organizacijo preko VPNa simulirat ruske IPje in igrat kontra igro? Ter posadit fejk dokaze samo za to, da se ploza naprej ta anti-rus narrative? Ne bi bilo prvič, da so nastavil fejk dokaze za to, da dosežejo svoje.
Pac-Man ::
Kdor misli, da so to bili pravi ruski računi in strani, je zrel za na Polje. Centralna agencija je za vsem tem.
Tudi za Putinovim kuharjem in njegovo zgradbo trolov z urno postavko v Sankt Peterburgu?
Internet Research Agency @ Wikipedia
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/maga...
Vse je odlično dokumentirano.
Pac-Man ::
Ruska nacionalka.
@37:27 voditeljica reče "Trumpa smo izvolili, ampak nas je pustil na cedilu". Povsem drugačen messaging doma in na zahodu.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/stat...
@37:27 voditeljica reče "Trumpa smo izvolili, ampak nas je pustil na cedilu". Povsem drugačen messaging doma in na zahodu.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/stat...
D3m ::
1) Ker je zanimivo.
2) Ker cel kup sodržavljanov tišči glave v pesek.
@Pac-man
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Samuel ::
Kdor misli, da so to bili pravi ruski računi in strani, je zrel za na Polje. Centralna agencija je za vsem tem.
Kako lahko je za neko tako vohunsko organizacijo preko VPNa simulirat ruske IPje in igrat kontra igro? Ter posadit fejk dokaze samo za to, da se ploza naprej ta anti-rus narrative? Ne bi bilo prvič, da so nastavil fejk dokaze za to, da dosežejo svoje.
Ma kakšna CIA. Res si smešen. Jasno za kaj se gre. Gre se za vpliv na tistih nekaj % volivcev, ki nato premaknejo tehtnico na eno stran v tistih nekaj mejnih zveznih držav ZDA. Trump je na primer zmagal glede elektorjev, večino glasov volivcev pa sploh ni dobil. Takšni napadi so izrazito poceni in lahko dajejo maksimalne učinke. Smo videli v Franciji, ko so par dni pred volitvami taisti troli napadli Macrona s popolnimi lažmi. Za Marine Le Pen se ve, da je prorusko usmerjena Purinova lutka. Enaka zgodba, samo v Franciji se je o tem veliko govorilo in ni bilo pravega učinka.
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.
noticably not worth noticing.
Brane22 ::
Če so tako poceni in učinkoviti, zakaj jih USA izvajajo na tako neučinkovit način ?
Zažgali so šitload denarja v Ukrajini in efektivno zasrali zadevo. In drugje je rezultat podoben.
Kdaj so Rusi postali strokovnjaki za marketing ?
Zažgali so šitload denarja v Ukrajini in efektivno zasrali zadevo. In drugje je rezultat podoben.
Kdaj so Rusi postali strokovnjaki za marketing ?
On a journey of life I chose a psycho path...
Smrekar1 ::
Mimogrede, ali ameriška svoboda zahteva terorizem nad lastnim prebivalstvom z namenom obtoževanja drugih vlad ?
https://twitter.com/okrable/status/9241...
Ne, tega ne zahteva.
Se je kaj takega zgodilo ali gre zgolj za neko teoretiziranje?
Smrekar1 ::
Če so tako poceni in učinkoviti, zakaj jih USA izvajajo na tako neučinkovit način ?
Zažgali so šitload denarja v Ukrajini in efektivno zasrali zadevo. In drugje je rezultat podoben.
Predvsem zato, ker je ameriško financiranje uporov v Ukrajini in še kje plod ruskih pravljičarjev, ne dejanskih dogodkov.
Kdaj so Rusi postali strokovnjaki za marketing ?
Zato, ker je precej lažje sejati kaos kot narediti nekaj konstruktivnega in pozitivnega. Državo je enostavno sesuti, to dokazujejo Rusi v Siriji vsak dan, ampak postaviti nekaj, kar deluje in vodi v razvoj? Tega Rusi še v Rusiji ne zmorejo, kaj šele na tujem. ZDA to delajo in včasih jim uspe, včasih ne. Nekateri iz tega potegnejo zaključek, da ZDA delajo samo sranje in da so prava rešitev Rusi.
fikus_ ::
Ma ste eni naivni in verjamete vsaki novici! Na internetu je malo morje+ trolov, ki pač imajo svoje interese (predsodke), se naivno skrivajo za tipkovnico in budalijo.
Rusi so se/se še vedno učijo od "najboljših" in sedaj učitelja boli, ker so podobno/enako/bolj "uspešni" kot učitelj.
Hillary&Co so v osnovi zasrali, ko so se zamerili USA volilcem. Tako v USA, kot v EU so postali politiki nad kasta, nedotakljivi, kadrujejo po VIP (Veze In Poznanstva) liniji, po drugo strani pa se trudijo volilcem predstaviti kot pošteni in zaupanja vredni ljudje!
Sedaj Hillary&Co iščejo krivce za nastalo situacijo (Trump) v zunanjem sovražniku - Rusih (vedno vžge pri neukih volilcih), namesto da bi pometli pred svojim pragom in na naslednjih volitvah šli z novimi neobremenjenimi obrazi naprej.
Sicer imajo vedno zagotovljeno določeno št. volilcev, ki so zaslepljeni, fani, malikovalci (tudi v Rusiji za Putina, v SLO JJ, . . . ) ampak jim ne uspe vedno prepričati še nekaj volilcev, da jih podprejo.
Tudi na Slo-Techu imamo nekaj fanov, ki zaslepljeno navijajo za eno oz. drugo stran, kateri ne vidijo da njihovi idoli manipulirajo z njimi.
Rusi so se/se še vedno učijo od "najboljših" in sedaj učitelja boli, ker so podobno/enako/bolj "uspešni" kot učitelj.
Hillary&Co so v osnovi zasrali, ko so se zamerili USA volilcem. Tako v USA, kot v EU so postali politiki nad kasta, nedotakljivi, kadrujejo po VIP (Veze In Poznanstva) liniji, po drugo strani pa se trudijo volilcem predstaviti kot pošteni in zaupanja vredni ljudje!
Sedaj Hillary&Co iščejo krivce za nastalo situacijo (Trump) v zunanjem sovražniku - Rusih (vedno vžge pri neukih volilcih), namesto da bi pometli pred svojim pragom in na naslednjih volitvah šli z novimi neobremenjenimi obrazi naprej.
Sicer imajo vedno zagotovljeno določeno št. volilcev, ki so zaslepljeni, fani, malikovalci (tudi v Rusiji za Putina, v SLO JJ, . . . ) ampak jim ne uspe vedno prepričati še nekaj volilcev, da jih podprejo.
Tudi na Slo-Techu imamo nekaj fanov, ki zaslepljeno navijajo za eno oz. drugo stran, kateri ne vidijo da njihovi idoli manipulirajo z njimi.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Grey ::
Zato, ker je precej lažje sejati kaos kot narediti nekaj konstruktivnega in pozitivnega. Državo je enostavno sesuti, to dokazujejo Rusi v Siriji vsak dan, ampak postaviti nekaj, kar deluje in vodi v razvoj? Tega Rusi še v Rusiji ne zmorejo, kaj šele na tujem. ZDA to delajo in včasih jim uspe, včasih ne. Nekateri iz tega potegnejo zaključek, da ZDA delajo samo sranje in da so prava rešitev Rusi.Wow, delusion overload.
Rusi rušijo Sirijo? Na katerem planetu živiš? Oni čistijo to nesnago in gnojnico, ki jo je amerika pripeljala tja. Prvo američani ustvarijo islamski band camp, potem lažejo o uporabi prepovedanih orožij, ilegalno uletijo v Sirijo in začnejo "pomagat" hkrati pa ogrožat njihov trenutni režim (bomo hkrati še "demokratizirali" Sirijo)...kao en metek bo zašel.
Zbudite se folk. Posiljujejo vas v tazadnjo že toliko časa, da vam je že začelo pasat.
Smrekar1 ::
Rusi rušijo Sirijo? Na katerem planetu živiš? Oni čistijo to nesnago in gnojnico, ki jo je amerika pripeljala tja.
Gnojnico je ustvaril ruski zaveznik Assad, predvsem kot odziv na legitimne zahteve ljudstva po svobodi in koncu nepotizma in korupcije. Delusion overload je problem, ampak ne pri meni.
Posiljujejo vas v tazadnjo že toliko časa, da vam je že začelo pasat.
Ne sodi drugih po sebi.
fikus_ ::
O tem, kdo je začel z "demokratizacijo" Sirije in arabsko pomladjo, smo že na veliko pisali, ampak nekaterim še vedno ni potegnilo. So pač preveč zaslepljeni fani.
Samuel ::
Če so tako poceni in učinkoviti, zakaj jih USA izvajajo na tako neučinkovit način ?
Zažgali so šitload denarja v Ukrajini in efektivno zasrali zadevo. In drugje je rezultat podoben.
Ne bi rekel, da so zažgali kaj dosti denarja v Ukrajini. Od kod ti to?
Kdaj so Rusi postali strokovnjaki za marketing ?
Najkasneje po drugi svetovni vojni, ko so širili svojo revolucijo po svetu. Komunistično, namreč. Verjetno pa že prej, v dvajsetih prejšnega stoletja.
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.
noticably not worth noticing.
Pac-Man ::
Če so tako poceni in učinkoviti, zakaj jih USA izvajajo na tako neučinkovit način ?
Zažgali so šitload denarja v Ukrajini in efektivno zasrali zadevo. In drugje je rezultat podoben.
Kdaj so Rusi postali strokovnjaki za marketing ?
Sta že dva omenila, ampak tistih slavnih 5 mrd $ podpore je od l. 1991, ne za euromaidan. In vključuje odstranitev jedrskega orožja.
Socialna omrežja so spremenila pravila igre, podobno kot pri revolucijah v arabskem svetu, ki pa so bile organske, dokler ne dokažete drugače, ali pa trenutno s hashtagom #metoo. Prej si imel gatekeeperje v medijih, zdaj pa lahko objavlja vsak Franček, Jožica ali Ivan, ki se dela, da je Samanta.
Problem je, da so novodobni gatekeeperji popolnoma zamrznili in Ivanu pustili oglaševat njegove umotvore. Enako velja za obamino administracijo. Draga lekcija, ampak se ne bo ponovila.
Morda ne najboljše primerjave, ampak dajmo vseeno. Skozi nekaj podobnega smo šli že z digitalnim typesettingom (knjige v samozaložbi), digitalno audioprodukcijo (Murko & co.) in digitalno videoprodukcijo (Menendez bros.). Namerno spuščam talente, ki jim je nižji (stroškovni) prag omogočil vstop na sceno.
Mr.B ::
Če so tako poceni in učinkoviti, zakaj jih USA izvajajo na tako neučinkovit način ?
Zažgali so šitload denarja v Ukrajini in efektivno zasrali zadevo. In drugje je rezultat podoben.
Kdaj so Rusi postali strokovnjaki za marketing ?
Sta že dva omenila, ampak tistih slavnih 5 mrd $ podpore je od l. 1991, ne za euromaidan. In vključuje odstranitev jedrskega orožja.
Socialna omrežja so spremenila pravila igre, podobno kot pri revolucijah v arabskem svetu, ki pa so bile organske, dokler ne dokažete drugače, ali pa trenutno s hashtagom #metoo. Prej si imel gatekeeperje v medijih, zdaj pa lahko objavlja vsak Franček, Jožica ali Ivan, ki se dela, da je Samanta.
Problem je, da so novodobni gatekeeperji popolnoma zamrznili in Ivanu pustili oglaševat njegove umotvore. Enako velja za obamino administracijo. Draga lekcija, ampak se ne bo ponovila.
Morda ne najboljše primerjave, ampak dajmo vseeno. Skozi nekaj podobnega smo šli že z digitalnim typesettingom (knjige v samozaložbi), digitalno audioprodukcijo (Murko & co.) in digitalno videoprodukcijo (Menendez bros.). Namerno spuščam talente, ki jim je nižji (stroškovni) prag omogočil vstop na sceno.
Skozio evolucijo smo imeli kar nekaj diktatorjev. Zgodbe so bile iste, grdi komunistie, dobri amerikanci in podobno. FB ni pri tem niö spremenil, ker večinakameloebcev taga itak ne spremlje, je TV in rdio nekako prepovedan. Internet pri tem ni nobena izjema.
Do Ukrajine se niti ni govorilo o hladni vojni in invaziji Rusoiv na vzhodno evropo. Kot kaže je tudi ta experiment bolj neuspeh zahoda, vsaj političnega. Finančno je druga zgodba.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Skozio evolucijo smo imeli kar nekaj diktatorjev. Zgodbe so bile iste, grdi komunistie, dobri amerikanci in podobno. FB ni pri tem niö spremenil, ker večinakameloebcev taga itak ne spremlje, je TV in rdio nekako prepovedan. Internet pri tem ni nobena izjema.
Do Ukrajine se niti ni govorilo o hladni vojni in invaziji Rusoiv na vzhodno evropo. Kot kaže je tudi ta experiment bolj neuspeh zahoda, vsaj političnega. Finančno je druga zgodba.
Okej ZDA niso angelčki, ampak take swinye, kot trdite nekateri pa niso. Težava je, da preko teh predsodkov ne morete. Se spremenijo dejstva, ampak namesto, da bi spremenili mnenje zganjate težko mentalno kontorzijo.
Poleg tega so se spremenili, zadeve, ki bi šle skozi v zlatih časih hladne vojne, zdaj ne gredo. Tudi zaradi kongresnega nadzora.
Večji problem je, da po razpadu SZ ni bil sesut KGB, dovolj je je bilo samo preimenovanje. Ti pa delujejo še po starem.
Nova hladna vojna pred Ukrajino? Veselo branje.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/war-...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/08/14...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/...
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/...
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Brane22 ::
Ne me smejat s "kongresnim nadzorom". Zgodbe za (predšolske) otroke.
On a journey of life I chose a psycho path...
Poldi112 ::
Okej ZDA niso angelčki, ampak take swinye, kot trdite nekateri pa niso. Težava je, da preko teh predsodkov ne morete. Se spremenijo dejstva, ampak namesto, da bi spremenili mnenje zganjate težko mentalno kontorzijo.
Poleg tega so se spremenili, zadeve, ki bi šle skozi v zlatih časih hladne vojne, zdaj ne gredo. Tudi zaradi kongresnega nadzora.
Kakšnih predsodkov? Bolj ko berem zgodovino (nazadnje recimo o Nikaragvi), bolj opažam ta SOP (standard operating procedure) - CIA terorizira domačine, zažiga šole in bolnice, ... z namenom zmanjšati podporo socialistom, da bi raja le izvolila kapitaliste, ki bi omogočili prosto ropanje naravnih bogastev.
Zato pa jasno ni nič čudnega, če je pol miljona otrok čisto sprejemljiva cena za zrušitev diktatorja, ko ne pleše več tako kot želiš.
In dostikrat, po uspešni akciji, se posujejo s pepelom, ko rečejo, da so se naučili na napakah, do naslednjega režima, ki ima ideje o samostojnosti...
Glede kongresnega nadzora - 30 let nazaj je kongres še imel nekaj malega besede o tem, koga se bo napadlo. Danes ta organ, ki naj bi imel kontrolo nad vojnami, sploh ne ve, kje vse se tepejo, kaj šele, da bi izvajali kakršenkoli nadzor.
Imperij potrebuje zunanjega sovražnika. Ko so rusi zahinavili z razpadom SZ, je bilo treba hitro najti novega. In tako smo zdaj v fazi "war on terror".
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Smrekar1 ::
Kakšnih predsodkov? Bolj ko berem zgodovino (nazadnje recimo o Nikaragvi), bolj opažam ta SOP (standard operating procedure) - CIA terorizira domačine, zažiga šole in bolnice, ... z namenom zmanjšati podporo socialistom, da bi raja le izvolila kapitaliste, ki bi omogočili prosto ropanje naravnih bogastev.
Natanko katera naravna bogastva so grdi kapitalisti želeli ropati v Nikaragvi?
Komarje?
Imperij potrebuje zunanjega sovražnika. Ko so rusi zahinavili z razpadom SZ, je bilo treba hitro najti novega. In tako smo zdaj v fazi "war on terror".
Konkretno to odlično opisuje rusko zunanjo politiko, ampak razni Braneti jim pri tem ploskajo.
Zakaj dvojna merila? Ko se izjasniš glede tega gremo lahko pogledati koliko izmed tvojih trditev je neumnosti (gl. Nikaragvo zgoraj).
Zgodovina sprememb…
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Poldi112 ::
Natanko katera naravna bogastva so grdi kapitalisti želeli ropati v Nikaragvi?
Komarje?
Ne vem. Lahko mi pa ti poveš, zakaj točno so CIA plačanci pobijali kmete in zažigali šole? In če boš izviren si bom vzel čas in ti v svoji temi napisal povztek dogajanja.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Smrekar1 ::
Ne vem.
Torej tvoj argument, da gre za ropanje naravnih bogastev leti skozi okno. Dobro, nekaj smo ugotovili.
Lahko mi pa ti poveš, zakaj točno so CIA plačanci pobijali kmete in zažigali šole?
Glede na to, da si očitno povsem zgrešil motive se bom najprej vprašal ali to sploh drži. Prosim navedi dokaze, da se je to dogajalo, potem dokaze, da so to počeli plačanci CIA in nenazadnje, da so to počeli po navodilih CIA in ne zgolj zato, ker se jim je zdelo zabavno, kot je sicer običaj pri drhali. Če ti to uspe dokazati bomo raziskovali morebitne motive za tako početje, do takrat bo to ostalo zgolj izrodek tvoje domišljije.
Veliko sreče!
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