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Cervantes ::
Nikita (ukrainec) je v verjetno DUI stanju šenkal Krim.
Putin ge je vzel nazaj. Ni lepo podarjeno vzet nazaj, se strinjam.
In lahko dobiš kariraste otroke.
Ampak, da bi #1 pomorska baza padla v roke natota?
Halo. To pa ne!
Realpolitik pač.
Putin ge je vzel nazaj. Ni lepo podarjeno vzet nazaj, se strinjam.
In lahko dobiš kariraste otroke.
Ampak, da bi #1 pomorska baza padla v roke natota?
Halo. To pa ne!
Realpolitik pač.
Smrekar1 ::
Nikita (ukrainec) je v verjetno DUI stanju šenkal Krim.
Putin ge je vzel nazaj. Ni lepo podarjeno vzet nazaj, se strinjam.
In lahko dobiš kariraste otroke.
Ampak, da bi #1 pomorska baza padla v roke natota?
Halo. To pa ne!
O tem je govora šele odkar so rusi okupirali Krim. Prej so imeli precej dobre možnosti, da obdržijo bazo za vsaj še kakšno stoletje. Ko Putlerja ne bo več se zna zgoditi marsikaj.
fikus_ ::
Glede na "invazijo" USA in EU, težko da bi Rusi obdržali pristanišče/oporišče! Pa še dogovor o uporabi pristanišča/oporišča na Krimu med Rusijo in Ukrajino se je iztekal!
Smrekar1 ::
Glede na "invazijo" USA in EU, težko da bi Rusi obdržali pristanišče/oporišče! Pa še dogovor o uporabi pristanišča/oporišča na Krimu med Rusijo in Ukrajino se je iztekal!
Dogovor so že leta 2010 podaljšali vsaj do leta 2042. Rusija je leta 2014 enostransko odstopila od pogodbe, kar pomeni, da bo morala flota po osvoboditvi Krima spokati.
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D3m ::
Glede na "invazijo" USA in EU, težko da bi Rusi obdržali pristanišče/oporišče! Pa še dogovor o uporabi pristanišča/oporišča na Krimu med Rusijo in Ukrajino se je iztekal!
Dogovor so že leta 2010 podaljšali vsaj do leta 2042. Rusija je leta 2014 enostransko odstopila od pogodbe, kar pomeni, da bo morala flota po osvoboditvi Krima spokati.
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Anime? Kdaj?
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Smrekar1 ::
"osvoboditev" se bo pa zgodila, kdaj?!
Ne vem kdaj, bomo videli. Putler ni večen, naslednika, ki bi se mu bili Rusi tako pripravljeni klanjati, nima in ga tudi ne bo imel (so prenevarni, jim raje da 9 gramov). Po Venezueli sodeč se bodo začele odvijati velike stvari v roku nekaj let po njegovem odhodu. Odvisno od njegovega zdravja torej.
Vsekakor pričakujem bistvene spremembe precej pred letom 2042, ko bi si morali izpogajati petletno podaljšanje.
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fikus_ ::
Če bo naslednik Putina podoben Jelcinu, se zna marsikaj zgoditi v smislu sprememb. V to pa malo dvomim, ker če bo imel Putin imel čas, bo "vzgojil" svojega nalednika in ne bo prepuščal naključju.
Rusi so malo drugačen narod, rabijo močnega vodjo, sicer gre vse počasi v razsulo.
Rusi so malo drugačen narod, rabijo močnega vodjo, sicer gre vse počasi v razsulo.
Smrekar1 ::
Če bo naslednik Putina podoben Jelcinu, se zna marsikaj zgoditi v smislu sprememb. V to pa malo dvomim, ker če bo imel Putin imel čas, bo "vzgojil" svojega nalednika in ne bo prepuščal naključju.
Rusi so malo drugačen narod, rabijo močnega vodjo, sicer gre vse počasi v razsulo.
Diktatorji so malo drugačni osebki, nočejo močnega naslednika, ker bi lahko omajal njihovo moč. Putler bo vse skupaj prepustil naključju zato, ker ni sposoben razmišljati več kot nekaj dni vnaprej.
fikus_ ::
Mislim, da Putina pri razmišljanju za vnaprej podcenjuješ! Primer: kombinacija Putin - Medvejev nekaj let nazaj, da je lahko ohranil vodilno vlogo v politiki in se vrnil na sedanji položaj.
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ADIJOOO ::
Še kar nisi povedal, kaj opravičuje invazijo ter okupacijo Kube. Če suverena država lahko sodeluje s komurkoli, potem mora to veljati tudi za Kubo, ne zgolj za Ukrajino. Dokler se glede tega ne razjasniš, se nimava kaj pogovarjati.
Američani lahko delajo kar hočejo naprimer če Američani odvržejo bombe na civliste je to samo napaka če kdo drug je to zločin proti človeštvu. Tako, da Američani imajo licenco za invazijo drugi je nimajo.
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Šimpanz ::
Krim dati nazaj Ukrajini so take sanje, kot ko nekateri sanjajo da bomo dobili naza Celovec. Čez 20 let bo tam 99% prebivalcev Rusov, in tudi če Putina ne bo več na oblasti si noben voditelj ne bo upal vračati toliko ozemlja. Poglejte Kurilske otoke, ki so praktično brez neke večje vrednosti pa ni nobenih pogojev da bi jih dali nazaj Japonski.
Smrekar1 ::
Mislim, da Putina pri razmišljanju za vnaprej podcenjuješ! Primer: kombinacija Putin - Medvejev nekaj let nazaj, da je lahko ohranil vodilno vlogo v politiki in se vrnil na sedanji položaj.
Če bi razmišljal vnaprej bi ugotovil, da bi bilo zanj najboljše, če bi se takrat umaknil iz politike in ostal večna ruska legenda.
Zdaj se mu zna zgoditi isto, samo da bo legenda bolj v stilu Jage Babe.
Krim dati nazaj Ukrajini so take sanje, kot ko nekateri sanjajo da bomo dobili naza Celovec. Čez 20 let bo tam 99% prebivalcev Rusov, in tudi če Putina ne bo več na oblasti si noben voditelj ne bo upal vračati toliko ozemlja. Poglejte Kurilske otoke, ki so praktično brez neke večje vrednosti pa ni nobenih pogojev da bi jih dali nazaj Japonski.
Znabiti, da čez 20 let ruski poglavar o tem ne bo imel kaj dosti besede.
Nemci so Poljski 'vrnili' Prusijo in Šlezijo. To je nekako tako, kot da bi Rusi Poljski 'vrnili' Tulo in Rjazan.
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Pac-Man ::
http://www.france24.com/en/20170515-rus...
Russian student Sergei Chaikovsky was expecting an ordinary history lesson when he entered the classroom at his high school in Siberia.
But instead his teacher launched a stinging verbal attack against him for attending an anti-Kremlin protest in a special lecture on the dangers of "extremism" in the country.
"Fascist", "lackey of the Anglo-Saxon nations" and "traitor" -- the teacher did not mince his words in blasting the 18-year-old student for joining an anti-corruption rally in March organised by top opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
"In front of the whole class, he said that it was his job to make sure my classmates didn't turn out like me," said Chaikovsky, who secretly filmed the lesson at his school in the city of Tomsk and posted it online.
...
Across the country students have reported being press-ganged into lectures warning them of the perils of supporting those opposed to Putin.
In the Volga city of Samara, more than 3,000 students were last month forced to attend a lengthy conference titled "No to extremism!", where speakers warned the March protests could turn into an armed movement, a person who attended told AFP.
One of the speakers told students that "to fight extremism" they must support the region's governor Nikolai Merkushkin from the Kremlin's ruling party, whom Navalny has accused of corruption.
At another event in the city, priests lectured students on the dangers of "revolutionary movements," citing the "collapse of the country" after the Russian Revolution in 1917, one of the students told the opposition movement Open Russia.
In Russia's second city of Saint Petersburg, students at the Polytechnic University also had to attend a similar conference and fill in a questionnaire, a local journalist told AFP.
"Are you willing to help police? What is your attitude to extremists? Do you think that the media foment extremism?" said the questionnaire, obtained by AFP.
But the attempts to reeducate the youths sometimes appear to backfire.
In the city of Vladimir, 180 kilometres (112 miles) from Moscow, cell phone footage emerged showing university students challenging lecturers after they were forced to watch a film accusing Navalny of being a "fascist".
"Why are you scaring us with war and revolution?" shouts one student before others raise examples of high-level corruption and demand to be shown opposition videos.
...
In the southern town of Volzhsky, one school pupil recounted how they were supposed to have an IT lesson but the teacher said that, instead, they would discuss the importance of political stability in Russia.
"I talked about Navalny and the teacher started getting really stressed," the 13-year-old told AFP. "She was lecturing us for an hour about morality and we got really bored."
"They don't have the right to 'reeducate' us, to change our political views," he said. "I think they're doing this because they're afraid. They know that one day we'll be able to vote."
//Fun fact: TV2 iz Tomska, ki je prvi primer spravila v javnost, je začela tudi regiment nesmrtnih. Idejo je pograbil Kremelj in po kremeljsko naredil cirkus.
Pred par leti so izgubili licenco za oddajanje, tuji agenti pa to, ampak zgleda še vedno nekaj brcajo.
Russian student Sergei Chaikovsky was expecting an ordinary history lesson when he entered the classroom at his high school in Siberia.
But instead his teacher launched a stinging verbal attack against him for attending an anti-Kremlin protest in a special lecture on the dangers of "extremism" in the country.
"Fascist", "lackey of the Anglo-Saxon nations" and "traitor" -- the teacher did not mince his words in blasting the 18-year-old student for joining an anti-corruption rally in March organised by top opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
"In front of the whole class, he said that it was his job to make sure my classmates didn't turn out like me," said Chaikovsky, who secretly filmed the lesson at his school in the city of Tomsk and posted it online.
...
Across the country students have reported being press-ganged into lectures warning them of the perils of supporting those opposed to Putin.
In the Volga city of Samara, more than 3,000 students were last month forced to attend a lengthy conference titled "No to extremism!", where speakers warned the March protests could turn into an armed movement, a person who attended told AFP.
One of the speakers told students that "to fight extremism" they must support the region's governor Nikolai Merkushkin from the Kremlin's ruling party, whom Navalny has accused of corruption.
At another event in the city, priests lectured students on the dangers of "revolutionary movements," citing the "collapse of the country" after the Russian Revolution in 1917, one of the students told the opposition movement Open Russia.
In Russia's second city of Saint Petersburg, students at the Polytechnic University also had to attend a similar conference and fill in a questionnaire, a local journalist told AFP.
"Are you willing to help police? What is your attitude to extremists? Do you think that the media foment extremism?" said the questionnaire, obtained by AFP.
But the attempts to reeducate the youths sometimes appear to backfire.
In the city of Vladimir, 180 kilometres (112 miles) from Moscow, cell phone footage emerged showing university students challenging lecturers after they were forced to watch a film accusing Navalny of being a "fascist".
"Why are you scaring us with war and revolution?" shouts one student before others raise examples of high-level corruption and demand to be shown opposition videos.
...
In the southern town of Volzhsky, one school pupil recounted how they were supposed to have an IT lesson but the teacher said that, instead, they would discuss the importance of political stability in Russia.
"I talked about Navalny and the teacher started getting really stressed," the 13-year-old told AFP. "She was lecturing us for an hour about morality and we got really bored."
"They don't have the right to 'reeducate' us, to change our political views," he said. "I think they're doing this because they're afraid. They know that one day we'll be able to vote."
//Fun fact: TV2 iz Tomska, ki je prvi primer spravila v javnost, je začela tudi regiment nesmrtnih. Idejo je pograbil Kremelj in po kremeljsko naredil cirkus.
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Brane22 ::
Kremelj je naredu cirkus ?
Ki je pi*n dim proti antiruski histeriji, ki jo zganjajo te dni po USA.
Kar pa se lekcij demokracije tiče, je ranvo svež novi material, kjer udeleženci procesa "demokratizacije" Balkana pričajo, kako je to potekalo za kulisami:
CIRILICA: Radun, Antic, Bulatovic
Ki je pi*n dim proti antiruski histeriji, ki jo zganjajo te dni po USA.
Kar pa se lekcij demokracije tiče, je ranvo svež novi material, kjer udeleženci procesa "demokratizacije" Balkana pričajo, kako je to potekalo za kulisami:
CIRILICA: Radun, Antic, Bulatovic
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Uradni TV ruskega obrambnega ministrstva (TV Zvezda) pravi, da ZDA z laserji na B747 manipulirajo vreme, tako, da je v Rusiji nenormalno vroče. Mogoče. Globalno segrevanje, kaj je to?
https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/status/8...
SSHA nauchilis' vyzyvat' anomal'nuyu zharu v Rossii – ekspert
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http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov believes that the abnormal heat and the fires and drought caused by it in the summer of 2010 in Russia could be the result of flights over the country's territory of American Boeing 747 aircraft with laser installations. The expert said this on the air of the program "Conspiracy Theory" on the "Zvezda" TV channel.
It is worth noting that in the Western press there were publications about a possible US global experiment: the transfer of electromagnetic (laser) energy to Alaska over the territory of Russia using as orbital satellites. Some experts believe that in this case there could be a side effect - anomalous heat and fires throughout Russia in the summer of 2010.
Take norosti ponavadi producirajo za domače tržišče. Računajo, da jih cirilica in jezik ščitita pred radovednimi tujci.
V glavnem - basketkejs država z basketkejs vojsko in basketkejs propagando. Nič čudnega, da so šli v 90ih brat misli Albrightove (hoče Sibirska bogastva za ZDA), kar zdaj kot sveto resnico prodaja vsak wannabe trol na MMCju.
https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/status/8...
SSHA nauchilis' vyzyvat' anomal'nuyu zharu v Rossii – ekspert
gtranslate
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov believes that the abnormal heat and the fires and drought caused by it in the summer of 2010 in Russia could be the result of flights over the country's territory of American Boeing 747 aircraft with laser installations. The expert said this on the air of the program "Conspiracy Theory" on the "Zvezda" TV channel.
It is worth noting that in the Western press there were publications about a possible US global experiment: the transfer of electromagnetic (laser) energy to Alaska over the territory of Russia using as orbital satellites. Some experts believe that in this case there could be a side effect - anomalous heat and fires throughout Russia in the summer of 2010.
Take norosti ponavadi producirajo za domače tržišče. Računajo, da jih cirilica in jezik ščitita pred radovednimi tujci.
V glavnem - basketkejs država z basketkejs vojsko in basketkejs propagando. Nič čudnega, da so šli v 90ih brat misli Albrightove (hoče Sibirska bogastva za ZDA), kar zdaj kot sveto resnico prodaja vsak wannabe trol na MMCju.
Cervantes ::
Čista oslarija,IMHO.
Za manipulacijo z vremnskimi pojavi so potrebne neverjetne količine energije.
Še kar en cajt ne bo šlo.
Aja, HAARP?
Uf, pozabil?!
Aja, tale ruski vir?
Nekaj takega kot Daily Mail, methinks.
Za manipulacijo z vremnskimi pojavi so potrebne neverjetne količine energije.
Še kar en cajt ne bo šlo.
Aja, HAARP?
Uf, pozabil?!
Aja, tale ruski vir?
Nekaj takega kot Daily Mail, methinks.
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mtosev ::
NATO je agresor. National American Teroristical Organizationkdo je začel vojno v gruziji in ukrajini?
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ADIJOOO ::
Starodavni ::
Rusi so začeli vojno v Gruziji in Ukrajini, najprej so provocirali, potem so sovražnika ujeli v past, da je zgledalo kot da so jih napadli. Ergo, dobili izgovor, da lahko posredujejo in zbijejo "tega sovražnika". Pol pa okupirajo te "osvobojene" regije in jih spremenijo v še večje greznice kot prej, ko niso intervenirali.
Prebivalcem Krima, obeh "kvazi republik v Ukrajini, Abkhazijcem in Južnoosetijcem se kolca po dobrih starih časih, ko so bili pod komando Ukrajine in Gruzije.
Sodeluj z Rusi in boš dobil največjo možno bedo človeške vrste.
Sodeluj z Američani in boš konkretno profitiral in dvignil situacijo na boljše.
Že zgodovina nam pokaže, da se je držvam, kjer sta Rusija ali Kitajska izvažali komunizem slabše pisalo, kot državam, kjer so američani izvažali demokracijo.
Prebivalcem Krima, obeh "kvazi republik v Ukrajini, Abkhazijcem in Južnoosetijcem se kolca po dobrih starih časih, ko so bili pod komando Ukrajine in Gruzije.
Sodeluj z Rusi in boš dobil največjo možno bedo človeške vrste.
Sodeluj z Američani in boš konkretno profitiral in dvignil situacijo na boljše.
Že zgodovina nam pokaže, da se je držvam, kjer sta Rusija ali Kitajska izvažali komunizem slabše pisalo, kot državam, kjer so američani izvažali demokracijo.
ADIJOOO ::
America is all the way responsible for the crisis in Ukraine, because it did everything for it to happen. USA never taught neither policies which can improve life in Ukraine, nor peace, they contributed to policies encouraging chauvinism, "Ukrainian supremacy" over pro-Soviet and pro-Russian people of Crimea and Donbass, what worsened existing East vs West divide, and, when pro-Western nationalists resorted to violence to overthrow pro-Eastern government, it broke Ukraine up.
It started in 2002 when Viktor Yushchenko started to form pro-Western political block. Ukrainian nationalists were part of that block. Also two prominent Ukrainian neo-Nazis (see Social-National Party of Ukraine ) -- Andriy Parubiy and Oleh Tyahnybok . Ukrainian nationalists, not to mention neo-Nazis, were antagonists for Donbass and Crimea for all the last century, and what Yushchenko started to assemble, just could not win sympathy there. You may find it strange coincidence, but Yushchenko's wife was American -- Kateryna Yushchenko . As her former colleagues wrote in their comments, she was "Reaganite's Reaganite".
In 2004 West helped Victor Yushchenko to became Ukrainian president. Donbass and many others voted against him, for his opponent, Yanukovich. That year Ukrainian divide started going to break-up: almost all who voted for Yanukovich, that is against West, nationalism and policies supporting it, still do not support "pro-Ukrainian" parties and politicians.
There are two important lines about Yushchenko policies.
First line: crisis. Under Yushchenko in five years Ukraine and Ukrainian businesses amassed 3 times more foreign debt in loans, and current account balance of Ukraine went negative since 2006. When credit-housing bubble, like in many Western countries, started to burst, it only worsened Eastern people's opinion about pro-Western policies and politicians. As in cases with Greece, West and US did nothing to prevent that irresponsible borrowing practices. It rather looks like they waited for victims to swallow the bait, and then have it firmly on IMF hook.
Second line: chauvinistic nationalism. It was line of false "national memory", for a long time supported by USA in Baltic states and Poland, and it was anti-Soviet and anti-Russian line. It only fuels mutual rejection and hatred between pro-Soviet and pro-Russian people and nationalists, and always leads to conflicts, cold or hot. No exception. Again, it only strengthened rejection of pro-Western and "pro-Ukrainian" policies and people in Donbass and Crimea. USA participated in these, encouraging cooperation between Ukrainian, Baltic and Polish nationalists.
About nationalists policies in general, see here, for instance: A Fascist Hero in Democratic Kiev .
Both these lines led to tremendous defeat of Yushchenko in Ukrainian presidential elections 2010, and worsened East-West relations. Since then East (of Ukraine) votes for anything but West (and West for anything but East).
In 2008-2010 renowned Gallup Institute conducted several polls and found that Ukraine is rather pro-Russian country:
What do USA partners then? USA partners chooses strong alliance, unity with neo-Nazis in "united opposition" against pro-Russian Yanukovich, and supports them when they go for the violent coup ( The Dark Side of the Ukraine Revolt ).
What this means to East and South, Crimea and Donbass? They see that those who brought deep crisis and support Nazis took power by violence again to bring even more ruin and violence.
What happens next? Crimea and Donbass (and majority in other Eastern and Southern region) stop to support Ukraine. They rejected Maidan since 2004 -- even when it was absolutely peaceful. When it turned violent to overthrow president they voted for, they have even more reasons to reject it.
Donbass had 17000 listed in Ukrainian police ranks. New government could not find among them even 100 to counter separatists. Pro-Eastern people refuse to support government like that (like I do too).
So what was responsibility of America:
-- It supported policies which let Ukraine down
-- It supported politicians which allied with Nazis and fueled chauvinism and mutual hate
-- It supported violent coup which could bring only more violence.
-- It never cared about prosperity or peace in Ukraine between people of different views. It only supported one side and what encouraged conflict.
Sadovi ameriške demokracije
It started in 2002 when Viktor Yushchenko started to form pro-Western political block. Ukrainian nationalists were part of that block. Also two prominent Ukrainian neo-Nazis (see Social-National Party of Ukraine ) -- Andriy Parubiy and Oleh Tyahnybok . Ukrainian nationalists, not to mention neo-Nazis, were antagonists for Donbass and Crimea for all the last century, and what Yushchenko started to assemble, just could not win sympathy there. You may find it strange coincidence, but Yushchenko's wife was American -- Kateryna Yushchenko . As her former colleagues wrote in their comments, she was "Reaganite's Reaganite".
In 2004 West helped Victor Yushchenko to became Ukrainian president. Donbass and many others voted against him, for his opponent, Yanukovich. That year Ukrainian divide started going to break-up: almost all who voted for Yanukovich, that is against West, nationalism and policies supporting it, still do not support "pro-Ukrainian" parties and politicians.
There are two important lines about Yushchenko policies.
First line: crisis. Under Yushchenko in five years Ukraine and Ukrainian businesses amassed 3 times more foreign debt in loans, and current account balance of Ukraine went negative since 2006. When credit-housing bubble, like in many Western countries, started to burst, it only worsened Eastern people's opinion about pro-Western policies and politicians. As in cases with Greece, West and US did nothing to prevent that irresponsible borrowing practices. It rather looks like they waited for victims to swallow the bait, and then have it firmly on IMF hook.
Second line: chauvinistic nationalism. It was line of false "national memory", for a long time supported by USA in Baltic states and Poland, and it was anti-Soviet and anti-Russian line. It only fuels mutual rejection and hatred between pro-Soviet and pro-Russian people and nationalists, and always leads to conflicts, cold or hot. No exception. Again, it only strengthened rejection of pro-Western and "pro-Ukrainian" policies and people in Donbass and Crimea. USA participated in these, encouraging cooperation between Ukrainian, Baltic and Polish nationalists.
About nationalists policies in general, see here, for instance: A Fascist Hero in Democratic Kiev .
Both these lines led to tremendous defeat of Yushchenko in Ukrainian presidential elections 2010, and worsened East-West relations. Since then East (of Ukraine) votes for anything but West (and West for anything but East).
In 2008-2010 renowned Gallup Institute conducted several polls and found that Ukraine is rather pro-Russian country:
What do USA partners then? USA partners chooses strong alliance, unity with neo-Nazis in "united opposition" against pro-Russian Yanukovich, and supports them when they go for the violent coup ( The Dark Side of the Ukraine Revolt ).
What this means to East and South, Crimea and Donbass? They see that those who brought deep crisis and support Nazis took power by violence again to bring even more ruin and violence.
What happens next? Crimea and Donbass (and majority in other Eastern and Southern region) stop to support Ukraine. They rejected Maidan since 2004 -- even when it was absolutely peaceful. When it turned violent to overthrow president they voted for, they have even more reasons to reject it.
Donbass had 17000 listed in Ukrainian police ranks. New government could not find among them even 100 to counter separatists. Pro-Eastern people refuse to support government like that (like I do too).
So what was responsibility of America:
-- It supported policies which let Ukraine down
-- It supported politicians which allied with Nazis and fueled chauvinism and mutual hate
-- It supported violent coup which could bring only more violence.
-- It never cared about prosperity or peace in Ukraine between people of different views. It only supported one side and what encouraged conflict.
Starodavni je izjavil:
Že zgodovina nam pokaže, da se je držvam, kjer sta Rusija ali Kitajska izvažali komunizem slabše pisalo, kot državam, kjer so američani izvažali demokracijo.
Sadovi ameriške demokracije
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mtosev ::
nisem vedo. sigurno je kriv george washingtonNATO je agresor. National American Teroristical Organizationkdo je začel vojno v gruziji in ukrajini?
Američani.
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ADIJOOO ::
nisem vedo. sigurno je kriv george washingtonNATO je agresor. National American Teroristical Organizationkdo je začel vojno v gruziji in ukrajini?
Američani.
Kriv je pohlep, ki žene američane v vojne po svetu. Pohlep v Ukrajini, Libiji, siriji, Iraku, Jemen...
D3m ::
Starodavni je izjavil:
Rusi so začeli vojno v Gruziji in Ukrajini, najprej so provocirali, potem so sovražnika ujeli v past, da je zgledalo kot da so jih napadli. Ergo, dobili izgovor, da lahko posredujejo in zbijejo "tega sovražnika". Pol pa okupirajo te "osvobojene" regije in jih spremenijo v še večje greznice kot prej, ko niso intervenirali.
Prebivalcem Krima, obeh "kvazi republik v Ukrajini, Abkhazijcem in Južnoosetijcem se kolca po dobrih starih časih, ko so bili pod komando Ukrajine in Gruzije.
Sodeluj z Rusi in boš dobil največjo možno bedo človeške vrste.
Sodeluj z Američani in boš konkretno profitiral in dvignil situacijo na boljše.
Že zgodovina nam pokaže, da se je držvam, kjer sta Rusija ali Kitajska izvažali komunizem slabše pisalo, kot državam, kjer so američani izvažali demokracijo.
Dobra pravljica.
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Starodavni ::
Še večja pravljica je, da verjamete v to, da so Rusi supersila in da so nekaj najboljšega, kar jih je svet nam dal.
NOPE
Rusi obstajajo kot narodnost že dolgo časa, pa niso dosegli nekega hudega napredka. Američani, kot nacija obstajajo par stoletij in so v tem času korenito preobrazili zahodno civilizacijo in s tem svet.
Nekaj, česar Rusom, Kitajcem, Indijcem in Arabcem ni uspelo v vseh teh stoletjih. Še več, Kitajska in Indija hočeta napredovati in se opirata za razvoj na zahodni model civilizacije, ker vidijo da je učinkovit in da deluje. Ne pa ruskega ali komunističnega, ki je prinesel samo veliko gorja in sranja.
A si vi rusofili resno želite svet v katerem bi bila Rusija glavna? Pa saj boste potem ravno vi rusofili najbolj javkali, kako bo ta svet nepravičen, reven in brez perspektive, aja saj res. NE boste mogli niti jamrati, ker vas bo ruska tajna policija našla in spravila v Gulag na prisilno delo do smrti.
Naj vas še enkrat opomnim: Kdo je pobil več lastnega prebivalstva? Rusi ali američani?
Za bonus pa, katera druga velika država je tudi pobila veliko lastnega prebivalstva.
NOPE
Rusi obstajajo kot narodnost že dolgo časa, pa niso dosegli nekega hudega napredka. Američani, kot nacija obstajajo par stoletij in so v tem času korenito preobrazili zahodno civilizacijo in s tem svet.
Nekaj, česar Rusom, Kitajcem, Indijcem in Arabcem ni uspelo v vseh teh stoletjih. Še več, Kitajska in Indija hočeta napredovati in se opirata za razvoj na zahodni model civilizacije, ker vidijo da je učinkovit in da deluje. Ne pa ruskega ali komunističnega, ki je prinesel samo veliko gorja in sranja.
A si vi rusofili resno želite svet v katerem bi bila Rusija glavna? Pa saj boste potem ravno vi rusofili najbolj javkali, kako bo ta svet nepravičen, reven in brez perspektive, aja saj res. NE boste mogli niti jamrati, ker vas bo ruska tajna policija našla in spravila v Gulag na prisilno delo do smrti.
Naj vas še enkrat opomnim: Kdo je pobil več lastnega prebivalstva? Rusi ali američani?
Za bonus pa, katera druga velika država je tudi pobila veliko lastnega prebivalstva.
mtosev ::
rus je bil samo velesila ko so bili ussr. rusija je edino regional power.
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ADIJOOO ::
A Amerikaq je pa kao super velesila s tem, da je pol njihove vojske predebele polovica letalstva zastarela in pol ladij sploh ne pluje? Ali zato, ker so ksoraj še vse vojne izgubili res huda svetovna velesila LOL.
Nima veze dokler ima rusija Putina so najmočnejša velesila na svetu. Putin je mastemind Američani se mu pa ne upajo popolnoma nič, ker vedo, da bodo drugače imeli nuklearno zimo.
rus je bil samo velesila ko so bili ussr. rusija je edino regional power.
Nima veze dokler ima rusija Putina so najmočnejša velesila na svetu. Putin je mastemind Američani se mu pa ne upajo popolnoma nič, ker vedo, da bodo drugače imeli nuklearno zimo.
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mtosev ::
trump je glup in putin lahko dela kaj hoče. če bi clintonova bila president bi putin odjebal.
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Poldi112 ::
Kako si pa to predstavljaš?
Drugače pa rusija jasno ni nobena velesila. Kitajska je. In USA imperij se počasno in vztrajno seseda vase.
Drugače pa rusija jasno ni nobena velesila. Kitajska je. In USA imperij se počasno in vztrajno seseda vase.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
mtosev ::
clintonova ne bi bila bffs s putinom.
američani so še vedno velesila. chinaland bo velesila, če se pred tem ne zadušijo od smoga in onesnaženosti. boljše pa chinaland kot rusija I say. drugače se tudi EU omenja kot potencionalna velesila.
američani so še vedno velesila. chinaland bo velesila, če se pred tem ne zadušijo od smoga in onesnaženosti. boljše pa chinaland kot rusija I say. drugače se tudi EU omenja kot potencionalna velesila.
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D3m ::
Starodavni je izjavil:
Še večja pravljica je, da verjamete v to, da so Rusi supersila in da so nekaj najboljšega, kar jih je svet nam dal.
NOPE
Rusi obstajajo kot narodnost že dolgo časa, pa niso dosegli nekega hudega napredka. Američani, kot nacija obstajajo par stoletij in so v tem času korenito preobrazili zahodno civilizacijo in s tem svet.
Nekaj, česar Rusom, Kitajcem, Indijcem in Arabcem ni uspelo v vseh teh stoletjih. Še več, Kitajska in Indija hočeta napredovati in se opirata za razvoj na zahodni model civilizacije, ker vidijo da je učinkovit in da deluje. Ne pa ruskega ali komunističnega, ki je prinesel samo veliko gorja in sranja.
A si vi rusofili resno želite svet v katerem bi bila Rusija glavna? Pa saj boste potem ravno vi rusofili najbolj javkali, kako bo ta svet nepravičen, reven in brez perspektive, aja saj res. NE boste mogli niti jamrati, ker vas bo ruska tajna policija našla in spravila v Gulag na prisilno delo do smrti.
Naj vas še enkrat opomnim: Kdo je pobil več lastnega prebivalstva? Rusi ali američani?
Za bonus pa, katera druga velika država je tudi pobila veliko lastnega prebivalstva.
Pa še ne preveč razgleden po vrhu.
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Starodavni ::
@D3m
Ti si zadnji, ki bo meni očital, da nisem razgledan. Veliko sem bral člankov, informacij, zgodovinskih knjig, razvoja človeštva in prišel žal do sklepa, da so američani manjše zlo kot rusi ali kitajci ali indijci in da če bi svet obvladovale te tri države bi bil še večja greznica kot je trenutno.
Američani so pač celokupno manjše zlo, kljub žrtvam in intervencijam v tuje države. Če bi imeli Rusi moč kot jo imajo američani, bi oni cele narode že zdavnaj zradirali, Kitajci in Indijci se tudi takih metod ne bi branili.
Totalitarni režimi pač niso nekaj, kar bi moral človek podpirati, je že zgodovina obdobja pred in po 2. svetovni vojni dovolj boleče svarilo, da fašizem, nacizem in komunizem ne pomenijo nič dobrega za države in ljudi.
Demokracija z vsemi napakami je preprosto veliko boljša izbira, ker ima pozitivno varovalko: Onemogoči, da bi en človek imel oblast več kot 8 let zaporedoma.
Putin ima oblast že veliko dalj časa in je v tem času uspel uničiti rusko demokracijo in s tem prihodnost države ter ugled. Najbolj so pa nastradali civilisti.
Zadnje leto, ko lahko rečemo, da je Rusija bila močna regionalna sila je bilo leto 2010, ko je še Medvedjev vladal Rusiji. Po odhodu Medvedjeva pa je šlo le še navzdol.
Preobrat z Ukrajino leta 2014 pa je bil mejnik, saj je stran od Rusije šel "naravni" zaveznik in da je mera še polna, Ukrajina poseduje ključne komponente, ki so nujne za vzdrževanje ruskega jedrskega arzenala in razvoja le-tega.
Če bi bila Rusija taka močna sila in popularna, bi vsi šli k njej in trgovali, dogaja pa se obratno.
- Baltske države so šle raje proti EU in NATO
- Poljska isto
- Gruzija
- Ukrajina (2014 dalje).
Še malo manjka, pa bodo tudi Belorusi in Kazahstanci obrnili hrbet Rusom in šli proti Evropi ali Kitajski. Za preobrate pa so krivi sami Rusi z zelo nezrelim in nediplomatskim odnosom do svojih sosed. Namesto da bi jih prepričali z ugodnostmi, jim nudili varnost in spoštovanje meja, so jim nudili samo grožnje in negotovost v stilu: Če se ne pridružite nam, vas zradiramo z našo vojsko in tudi jedrskim orožjem.
Bullyu pač ne smeš pokazati, da si šibak, ker če to pokažeš se bo sadistično izživljal nad tabo. Bullyu moraš pokazati nestrinjanje in odhod stran, v skrajni sili pa sankcije.
Ti si zadnji, ki bo meni očital, da nisem razgledan. Veliko sem bral člankov, informacij, zgodovinskih knjig, razvoja človeštva in prišel žal do sklepa, da so američani manjše zlo kot rusi ali kitajci ali indijci in da če bi svet obvladovale te tri države bi bil še večja greznica kot je trenutno.
Američani so pač celokupno manjše zlo, kljub žrtvam in intervencijam v tuje države. Če bi imeli Rusi moč kot jo imajo američani, bi oni cele narode že zdavnaj zradirali, Kitajci in Indijci se tudi takih metod ne bi branili.
Totalitarni režimi pač niso nekaj, kar bi moral človek podpirati, je že zgodovina obdobja pred in po 2. svetovni vojni dovolj boleče svarilo, da fašizem, nacizem in komunizem ne pomenijo nič dobrega za države in ljudi.
Demokracija z vsemi napakami je preprosto veliko boljša izbira, ker ima pozitivno varovalko: Onemogoči, da bi en človek imel oblast več kot 8 let zaporedoma.
Putin ima oblast že veliko dalj časa in je v tem času uspel uničiti rusko demokracijo in s tem prihodnost države ter ugled. Najbolj so pa nastradali civilisti.
Zadnje leto, ko lahko rečemo, da je Rusija bila močna regionalna sila je bilo leto 2010, ko je še Medvedjev vladal Rusiji. Po odhodu Medvedjeva pa je šlo le še navzdol.
Preobrat z Ukrajino leta 2014 pa je bil mejnik, saj je stran od Rusije šel "naravni" zaveznik in da je mera še polna, Ukrajina poseduje ključne komponente, ki so nujne za vzdrževanje ruskega jedrskega arzenala in razvoja le-tega.
Če bi bila Rusija taka močna sila in popularna, bi vsi šli k njej in trgovali, dogaja pa se obratno.
- Baltske države so šle raje proti EU in NATO
- Poljska isto
- Gruzija
- Ukrajina (2014 dalje).
Še malo manjka, pa bodo tudi Belorusi in Kazahstanci obrnili hrbet Rusom in šli proti Evropi ali Kitajski. Za preobrate pa so krivi sami Rusi z zelo nezrelim in nediplomatskim odnosom do svojih sosed. Namesto da bi jih prepričali z ugodnostmi, jim nudili varnost in spoštovanje meja, so jim nudili samo grožnje in negotovost v stilu: Če se ne pridružite nam, vas zradiramo z našo vojsko in tudi jedrskim orožjem.
Bullyu pač ne smeš pokazati, da si šibak, ker če to pokažeš se bo sadistično izživljal nad tabo. Bullyu moraš pokazati nestrinjanje in odhod stran, v skrajni sili pa sankcije.
Pac-Man ::
Aja, tale ruski vir?
Nekaj takega kot Daily Mail, methinks.
Morda. ampak Daily Mail ni uradno glasilo oboroženih sil združenega kraljestva.
Zvezda (TV channel) @ Wikipedia
Zvezda (Russian: всероссийский государственный вещательный телеканал «Звезда», literally, "The Star") is a Russian nationwide TV network run by the Russian Ministry of Defence.
In v tem je bistvo. Povsod imaš take in drugačne norce ter medije, ki so jim za par klikov ali parov oči pripravljeni ponudit platformo. Rusija pa je ena redkih držav, kjer so take norosti institucionalizirane, made official.
Še en že omenjen primer. December 2014.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/worl...
Speaking to reporters in Moscow on Thursday, Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, claimed that economic sanctions were not primarily a response to the annexation of Crimea but part of a long-running plot by Western powers to weaken his nation and steal its natural resources.
...
Finally, after an extended detour into metaphor, with Mr. Putin comparing Russia to its national symbol, the bear — beset, he said, by enemies who wish to seize its territory — he referred to one last piece of evidence that he was only acting to protect his nation from the aggressive designs of the West. “We have heard it even from high-level officials,” he said, “that it is unfair that the whole of Siberia with its immense resources belongs to Russia in its entirety.”
...
As Leonid Bershidsky explained in a Bloomberg View post on the speech, Mr. Putin was apparently referring to an urban legend commonly mistaken for fact in the Russian news media and blogosphere — that former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright once complained that the mineral wealth of Siberia was so vast that it should not be owned by Russia, but by all humanity.
The fact that there is no record of Ms. Albright ever having made such a remark — and that she has denied it whenever asked — has not prevented it from being repeated again and again by Russian bloggers, journalists and even senior Kremlin officials.
When Mr. Putin was asked about the supposed comment in 2007, The Moscow Times reported, he replied, “I know some politicians entertain such ideas in their heads.”
Two years ago, Russia’s deputy prime minister, Dmitry Rogozin, wrote in an editorial that many in the West would be happy to see Mr. Putin fall, including Ms. Albright, who was, he said, dreaming of Siberia’s riches.
An article in Pravda the same year noted that “the scandalous phrase ‘Siberia is too large and rich to belong to one country,’ ” had been attributed to Ms. Albright. Although “the source of such a declaration has not yet been found,” the author Paul Chernyshev added, “this does not make her a friend of Russia.”
In October, the secretary of the Russian Security Council, Nikolai P. Patrushev, said in an interview with the government-owned newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta that “many American experts, in particular former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, assert that there are vast territories ‘under Moscow’s power’ that it is incapable of exploiting and which therefore ‘do not serve the interests of all humanity.’ ”
...
According to an investigation by a former Moscow Times correspondent, Anna Smolchenko, the idea that Ms. Albright was jealous of Russia’s natural resources can be traced to a December 2006 interview with Boris Ratnikov, a retired major general from the Russian secret service. General Ratnikov told Rossiyskaya Gazeta that his colleagues in the service’s secret mind-reading division had read Ms. Albright’s thoughts in 1999, just before the United States-led military intervention in Kosovo that she had championed.
According to the general, his colleagues had detected a “pathological hatred of Slavs” in Ms. Albright’s mind and that “she was indignant that Russia held the world’s largest reserves of natural resources.”
Asked by Ms. Smolchenko to explain how the mind reading had worked, General Ratnikov recalled that the team had studied photographs of Ms. Albright. “By tuning in on her image,” he said, “our specialists were able to glean these things.”
Poldi112 ::
Starodavni je izjavil:
@D3m
Ti si zadnji, ki bo meni očital, da nisem razgledan. Veliko sem bral člankov, informacij, zgodovinskih knjig, razvoja človeštva in prišel žal do sklepa, da so američani manjše zlo kot rusi ali kitajci ali indijci in da če bi svet obvladovale te tri države bi bil še večja greznica kot je trenutno.
Američani so pač celokupno manjše zlo, kljub žrtvam in intervencijam v tuje države. Če bi imeli Rusi moč kot jo imajo američani, bi oni cele narode že zdavnaj zradirali, Kitajci in Indijci se tudi takih metod ne bi branili.
Za Ruse se strinjam, za kitajce pač ne. Roosevelt je Kitajcem ponujal Indochino, pa je niso hoteli... So država, ki se pretežno briga zase, za razliko od ZDA, ki dela štalo povsod, kjer lahko.
Pa tudi Rusi niso ravno radirali držav, ki so jih imeli pod kontrolo. Prej bi rekel, da tam kjer harajo američani ostajajo zgolj ruševine. USA danes ni ista država kot je bila 50 let nazaj. So kar lepo nazadovali. Posrali svoje baze po celem svetu, po tekočem traku zatirali demokracijo, ...
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Smrekar1 ::
Za Ruse se strinjam, za kitajce pač ne. Roosevelt je Kitajcem ponujal Indochino, pa je niso hoteli... So država, ki se pretežno briga zase,
Razen kadar recimo hoče neke nenaseljene otoke ob obali tretje države zase, kot od nekdaj svojo zemljo (Parcelovo in Spratleysko otočje) ali poceni nafto iz države na drugem koncu sveta (Venezuela krvavi bolj Irak kdajkoli) ali kakšne druge ugodnosti.
Pa tudi Rusi niso ravno radirali držav, ki so jih imeli pod kontrolo. Prej bi rekel, da tam kjer harajo američani ostajajo zgolj ruševine.
Ja, samo res. Poglej recimo kako lep je bil Vzhodni Berlin leta 1990:
Zdaj so ga povsem uničili:
USA danes ni ista država kot je bila 50 let nazaj. So kar lepo nazadovali. Posrali svoje baze po celem svetu, po tekočem traku zatirali demokracijo, ...
Kot na primer v Iraku, kjer je demokratično izvoljeni predsednik dal svojim kritikom demokratično odstraniti naključne dele teles (roke, jezike, oči, ...)?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/24/world...
D3m ::
Starodavni je izjavil:
@D3m
Ti si zadnji, ki bo meni očital, da nisem razgledan. Veliko sem bral člankov, informacij, zgodovinskih knjig, razvoja človeštva in prišel žal do sklepa, da so američani manjše zlo kot rusi ali kitajci ali indijci in da če bi svet obvladovale te tri države bi bil še večja greznica kot je trenutno.
Američani so pač celokupno manjše zlo, kljub žrtvam in intervencijam v tuje države. Če bi imeli Rusi moč kot jo imajo američani, bi oni cele narode že zdavnaj zradirali, Kitajci in Indijci se tudi takih metod ne bi branili.
Totalitarni režimi pač niso nekaj, kar bi moral človek podpirati, je že zgodovina obdobja pred in po 2. svetovni vojni dovolj boleče svarilo, da fašizem, nacizem in komunizem ne pomenijo nič dobrega za države in ljudi.
Demokracija z vsemi napakami je preprosto veliko boljša izbira, ker ima pozitivno varovalko: Onemogoči, da bi en človek imel oblast več kot 8 let zaporedoma.
Putin ima oblast že veliko dalj časa in je v tem času uspel uničiti rusko demokracijo in s tem prihodnost države ter ugled. Najbolj so pa nastradali civilisti.
Zadnje leto, ko lahko rečemo, da je Rusija bila močna regionalna sila je bilo leto 2010, ko je še Medvedjev vladal Rusiji. Po odhodu Medvedjeva pa je šlo le še navzdol.
Preobrat z Ukrajino leta 2014 pa je bil mejnik, saj je stran od Rusije šel "naravni" zaveznik in da je mera še polna, Ukrajina poseduje ključne komponente, ki so nujne za vzdrževanje ruskega jedrskega arzenala in razvoja le-tega.
Če bi bila Rusija taka močna sila in popularna, bi vsi šli k njej in trgovali, dogaja pa se obratno.
- Baltske države so šle raje proti EU in NATO
- Poljska isto
- Gruzija
- Ukrajina (2014 dalje).
Še malo manjka, pa bodo tudi Belorusi in Kazahstanci obrnili hrbet Rusom in šli proti Evropi ali Kitajski. Za preobrate pa so krivi sami Rusi z zelo nezrelim in nediplomatskim odnosom do svojih sosed. Namesto da bi jih prepričali z ugodnostmi, jim nudili varnost in spoštovanje meja, so jim nudili samo grožnje in negotovost v stilu: Če se ne pridružite nam, vas zradiramo z našo vojsko in tudi jedrskim orožjem.
Bullyu pač ne smeš pokazati, da si šibak, ker če to pokažeš se bo sadistično izživljal nad tabo. Bullyu moraš pokazati nestrinjanje in odhod stran, v skrajni sili pa sankcije.
Toliko slabše, če to drži.
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D3m ::
Za Ruse se strinjam, za kitajce pač ne. Roosevelt je Kitajcem ponujal Indochino, pa je niso hoteli... So država, ki se pretežno briga zase,
Razen kadar recimo hoče neke nenaseljene otoke ob obali tretje države zase, kot od nekdaj svojo zemljo (Parcelovo in Spratleysko otočje) ali poceni nafto iz države na drugem koncu sveta (Venezuela krvavi bolj Irak kdajkoli) ali kakšne druge ugodnosti.
Pa tudi Rusi niso ravno radirali držav, ki so jih imeli pod kontrolo. Prej bi rekel, da tam kjer harajo američani ostajajo zgolj ruševine.
Ja, samo res. Poglej recimo kako lep je bil Vzhodni Berlin leta 1990:
Zdaj so ga povsem uničili:
USA danes ni ista država kot je bila 50 let nazaj. So kar lepo nazadovali. Posrali svoje baze po celem svetu, po tekočem traku zatirali demokracijo, ...
Kot na primer v Iraku, kjer je demokratično izvoljeni predsednik dal svojim kritikom demokratično odstraniti naključne dele teles (roke, jezike, oči, ...)?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/24/world...
Seveda.
Kar poglej to vzhodno Nemčijo
Katastrofa.
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Smrekar1 ::
D3m ::
O pa res. Kdo bi si mislil?
Kakšna katastrofa smo.
Kakšna katastrofa smo.
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Vanich ::
OOooooo...filantropist, humanitarec, humanist in glavni ideolog NATO &USA doktrine Zbegniew Brzezinski je nenadoma premrl v rosnih 89 letih. Kissingerja še vedno čakamo.
Vanich ::
Vanich ::
...samo, je pa zgleda moglo biti dosti hudo, da ga niso mogli več zaflikati. Rockefeller je, recimo, zamenjal 7 src in bohved koliko drugih organov. Nabil na števec 101 leto. Ima se, može se.
Pac-Man ::
Pac-Man ::
V drugih novicah: ruska propagandna mašinerija se je spet malo zaplezala.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...
Sputnik’s White House correspondent, Andrew Feinberg, has quit the Russian-state news organisation, claiming they would rather have “propagandists” than “real journalists”.
...
He also claimed that his editors at Sputnik preferred stories without bylines because that allowed them more freedom to take a different direction with the news.
“Seems Sputnik isn't happy with real journalists. They'd rather have ACTUAL propagandists operate anonymously,” he said.
“The truth is they don't want their reporters to have their own reputations, b/c a lie is easier when it doesn't come with a byline,” he posted in another tweet.
...
In an interview with the Washington Post, Mr Feinberg specifically noted that he had issues with senior members of staff at Sputnik when they were keen on him working on a conspiracy story concerning the death of the Democratic National Committee aide Seth Rich.
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Mr Feinberg claimed Sputnik was keen for him to write about Seth Rich to “push back” on the story of an “alleged Russian hacker” who apparently shared voter data from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee with a Republican operative in Florida.
Dovolj žalostno, da ima Sputnik sploh dopisnika iz bele hiše. RT še razumem, ampak Sputnik...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...
Sputnik’s White House correspondent, Andrew Feinberg, has quit the Russian-state news organisation, claiming they would rather have “propagandists” than “real journalists”.
...
He also claimed that his editors at Sputnik preferred stories without bylines because that allowed them more freedom to take a different direction with the news.
“Seems Sputnik isn't happy with real journalists. They'd rather have ACTUAL propagandists operate anonymously,” he said.
“The truth is they don't want their reporters to have their own reputations, b/c a lie is easier when it doesn't come with a byline,” he posted in another tweet.
...
In an interview with the Washington Post, Mr Feinberg specifically noted that he had issues with senior members of staff at Sputnik when they were keen on him working on a conspiracy story concerning the death of the Democratic National Committee aide Seth Rich.
...
Mr Feinberg claimed Sputnik was keen for him to write about Seth Rich to “push back” on the story of an “alleged Russian hacker” who apparently shared voter data from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee with a Republican operative in Florida.
Dovolj žalostno, da ima Sputnik sploh dopisnika iz bele hiše. RT še razumem, ampak Sputnik...
Cervantes ::
Ne razumem, kaj ti ne razumeš.
Doposnika iz WH ima lahko vsak vaški cajteng, če se le prijavi.
Doposnika iz WH ima lahko vsak vaški cajteng, če se le prijavi.
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