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windigo ::

O koristih in škodi: Ukrajinci pozivajo, da je treba Gerharda Schröderja sankcionirati. Gerhard je predsednik upravnega odbora Nord Stream AG. Američani tudi govorijo o sankcijah proti udeleženim podjetjem (Gazprom, PEG (E.On), Wintershall (Basf), Engie, Niederlandse Gasunie). Ampak Merklova je zadnjič precej odločno zavrnila angleške pozive k dodatnim sankcijam proti Rusiji, tako da brez močnega pritiska ZDA ne bo iz tega nič. Nemci so Angležem celo še malo pokadili nazaj, da so pravzaprav sami največje off-shore središče za ruski kapital, ki je nekje vmes med oligarhi, obveščevalnimi službami, mafijo in državo.
Skratka do NS2 posledice ne segajo. Angleži pa nič kaj ne govorijo o kakršnihkoli ukrepih v povezavi s City-jem in ruskimi podjetji. Ljudje pa večinoma verjamejo, da so Skripala zastrupile ruske (para)obveščevalne službe. Če to ni priprava za kaj drugega, je težko govoriti o kakršnihkoli koristih.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

fikus_ je izjavil:

Potem pa naj dajo dokaze na plano. Verjetno bi tudi marsikaterega laika in nejevernega zanimala/prepričala razlaga in podrobnosti.


Malo počakaj. Primer je malenkost bolj kompleksen kot MH17, kjer moral samo videt buk lanser na par fotografijah.

Se pa tudi Rusija že glasno dere, da ne priznajejo taj sud (t.j. preiskave OPCW) in seveda servirajo različne nemogoče teorije.

https://twitter.com/foreignoffice/statu...


A tako kot una ruski tipi orizja , ki so na koncu koncali v isis rokah in na bojiscih sirihe. A dej no dej.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Ne, mislim na točno specifičen Buk, ki je bil konec junija večkrat posnet med potjo k ukrajinski meji v sklopu 53. brigade zračne obrambe iz Kurska, 17. julija pa so ga slikali in snemali v Ukrajini.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Ne, mislim na točno specifičen Buk, ki je bil konec junija večkrat posnet med potjo k ukrajinski meji v sklopu 53. brigade zračne obrambe iz Kurska, 17. julija pa so ga slikali in snemali v Ukrajini.

Ok, ko bom lahko na prostem trgu kupil Buk kot primerjava ak47, ne da bi me kdo povprašal po zdravju, bo verjetno zemlja ravna. Toliko o tvoji irelevantni prispodobi
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Urednik @Bild

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/statu...

Got an email from @foreignoffice, summarising the #Kremlin regime's disinformation efforts on the #Skripal case. 21 versions / lies so far.
#GreatStratCom by #GreatBritain.
#FactsMatter
#PutinAtWar
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Urednik @Bild

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/statu...

Got an email from @foreignoffice, summarising the #Kremlin regime's disinformation efforts on the #Skripal case. 21 versions / lies so far.
#GreatStratCom by #GreatBritain.
#FactsMatter
#PutinAtWar

Ooh Julian Roepcke...raven Sputnika. Daleč smo prišli.

Namesto, da bi se ukvarjali z Rusi in njihovim početjem bi se lahko ukvarjali z UK, ki bi lahko predložila trdne dokaze in bi potem vsi vedeli za kaj gre.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

Rusi so se od Irancev naučili vseh skrivnosti orožarske alkemije. Zdaj proizvajajo lasersko orožje iz odtočnih cevi.

http://defence-blog.com/army/russian-st...


Russia’s state media has released video footage showing tests of new laser weapon system, also in the video was spotted new laser gun turret equipped with drain-waste and chimney pipes.

According to a local source, this is one of the first prototypes of the new laser weapon system. During the testing, the Russians used preexisting materials and for this reason the prototype equipped with drain-waste and chimney pipes for the protection of sensitive elements of the new system.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/15136

“The superrich and international corporations have simply exited from the messy world of paying tax, leaving the rest of us, the fools and idiots, to pay our taxes dutifully.” As one of the journalists who worked on the release of the Panama Papers in 2016, Luke Harding, the senior international correspondent for the Guardian, is well placed to talk about the problem of mega-rich tax dodgers.

...

Harding is particularly knowledgeable about the role the UK plays in this global tax-avoidance game: “The big four accountancy firms” – that’s PWC, KPMG, Ernst & Young, and Deloitte – make this possible. As does the revolving door between people inside HMRC [Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs] and these accountancy firms.”

...

Between 2007 and 2011 Harding was the Guardian’s correspondent in Moscow, until he became the first journalist to be expelled from Russia since the end of the Cold War. The Guardian alleges this was a result of Harding’s criticism of Russia, and of Putin and his wealth specifically. (...) “To understand what happened in 2016, you need to go back. You have to understand that what happened came from a specific Soviet and Russian context.

“All of the tricks and techniques used to help Donald Trump, and maybe even push him across the line, were old KGB techniques that Putin learnt about in spy school back in the 1970s.

“What’s interesting about Trump is that his first visit to Moscow in 1987 was arranged by the KGB.” (...) He was wooed by the Soviet government. He had the psychological characteristics that were appealing to KGB handlers: vain, narcissistic, unfaithful, promiscuous, and suggestible. All characteristics they were looking for.”

...

Harding claims that the Kremlin’s intention was not necessarily to facilitate Trump being elected, but that he could be used to “undermine, discredit and delegitimize Hillary Clinton. She would be President, but Trump would be popping up on cable news every night saying she was ‘weak’ and ‘crooked’ and a ‘warmonger’. This, of course, very much suits Russia’s foreign policy agenda.”

Harding also co-authored WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange’s War on Secrecy, though he suggests that relations have soured somewhat between himself and Assange: “I worked with Assange in 2010 before he decided he was going to hate The Guardian, and hate me.

...

“I think Julian did some good stuff early on. But more recently he has lost his way. His hatred for the United States, which I can quite understand, means he is no longer interested in transparency, he is interested in selective transparency. He’s become basically the publishing division for Russian Intelligence.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/stat...

#Russia's state TV: "Putin unveiled the Kremlin’s new nuclear missile, Satan-2, and played the video demonstrating its ability to destroy a region similar to Florida. In response, the White House was silent... USSTRATCOM considers Russia's military to be unconquerable."

@27:25



https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu...

Leading Kremlin propagandist Solovyov just now: "You want Russia to have more allies and friends? As soon as we have military bases in the countries of Eastern and Central Europe, they will suddenly become our friends and allies again"
"Putin said about Crimea - our decision to retake it was daring and sudden". Russia's next international move will also be daring and sudden. You want to know where and when? We will explain to you. But only after the fact" (applause in the studio)

But Russophobia.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Vazelin ::

Če gledaš komentarje po naših portalih dobiš občutek da ne bi imeli nič proti, če putin jutri zavzame Slovenijo. še tukaj se najde par ljudi...

Vazelin ::



dobro miga Putinka8-)



tadruga hči je pa prava mačka. pa ok, saj tudi Putin je imel prijazen obraz ko je bil mlajši (kar handsome moški ... no homo)

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Pac-Man ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Leading Kremlin propagandist Solovyov just now: "You want Russia to have more allies and friends? As soon as we have military bases in the countries of Eastern and Central Europe, they will suddenly become our friends and allies again"


@36:25

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Interna ruska politika me res ne zanima...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Morebitne vojaške baze v srednji Evropi so prav lepo zunanja politika.

Če bi Stanković na HRT izjavil, da bodo s Slovenci frendi, ko bo hrvaška vojska v Piranu in Postojni, bi izgubljal živce.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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windigo ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Russia next international move will also be daring and sudden. You want to know where and when? We will explain to you. But only after the fact (applause in the studio)

But Russophobia.

Če se spomnim, sta bili zadnji dve "daring and sudden" potezi Rusije v zadnjem desetletju, v Gruziji in v Ukrajini.
Rusi so precej natančno povedali NATO (Ruski ambasador v NATO Rogozin), kaj nameravajo storiti, če bo Gruzija še naprej poskušala postati članica NATO. To je priznati in podpreti neodvisnost Južne Osetije in Abhazije, kjer konflikti izvirajo že iz časa pred Putinom.

V Ukrajini pa so po oranžni revoluciji celo Angleži mirili ukrajinske nacionaliste v vladi, da Rusi ne bodo mirno stali, če jih nameravajo kakorkoli omejevati pri dostopu do Sevastopola in naj se za božjo voljo malo umirijo. Putin pa je to tudi v svojih govorih večkrat jasno oznanjeval, kaj bo storil, če bi ga poskušali odrezati od Črnega morja.

Skratka "sudden" je podoben PR bullshit kot na drugi strani rusofobija.

Vazelin ::

http://www.rtvslo.si/evropska-unija/slo...

koliko full retard komentarjev je pa pod to novico. A vi (Samuel, MrB etc) bi se šli tudi borit za Mother Russia?:))

Mr.B ::

Madona, slovenska politika se ob indicija vede zadržano.

Je dober odgovor ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Vazelin ::

Volitve so. Karel Erjavec pa je mojster politične igre.:)

Samuel ::

Vazelin je izjavil:

http://www.rtvslo.si/evropska-unija/slo...

koliko full retard komentarjev je pa pod to novico. A vi (Samuel, MrB etc) bi se šli tudi borit za Mother Russia?:))


Zakaj pa bi se Samuel boril za Rusijo?
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.

Vazelin ::

Samuel je izjavil:

Vazelin je izjavil:

http://www.rtvslo.si/evropska-unija/slo...

koliko full retard komentarjev je pa pod to novico. A vi (Samuel, MrB etc) bi se šli tudi borit za Mother Russia?:))


Zakaj pa bi se Samuel boril za Rusijo?

typo, cervantes je bil v mislih

Cervantes ::

WTF??

windigo ::

Cervantes je izjavil:

WTF??

Smrekarjeva podcenjevanja, Samuelove pritlehne žalitve, Vazelinaste zamenjave tez. Navadi se počasi, tega bo še več. Če ne boš pridno goltal nekaterih spinov, lahko dobiš kakšnega izza hrbta namazanega z Vazelinom.

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/statu...

At the official Kemerovo memorial set up in Moscow, @plushev points out that the stuffed animals are identical and were apparently bought in bulk. He’s not impressed.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/statu...

At the official Kemerovo memorial set up in Moscow, @plushev points out that the stuffed animals are identical and were apparently bought in bulk. He’s not impressed.

Zagotovo ima objava nekaj zveze s tem da je Puttler hotel zakuriti nekaj ruskih potrošnikov. Madonca Trumpi je boljši, on celo pravi več orožja v šolo, da bo varno.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Nekako se spodobi, da se polagajo rože v spomin pa so zadevo malo zasejali in povabili fotografe. PR 101. Tako je izpadlo za MH17 v Schipolu, organsko.


Govori se, da je uradno število mrtvih prenizko. Bi znalo držat - največ jih je bilo v dveh kinodvoranah iz katerih se ni dalo pobegniti.

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn

To Putin, the Kemerovo governor claims the thousands protesting corruption after the fire are 200 "opposition" busybodies: "It's not really the relatives of the dead. It's those same people who are constantly making a fuss"

The governor of Kemerovo asks Putin for forgiveness, not the relatives of the dozens who died in the fire. Them he accuses of using grief "to solve their own problems" at the protest there this morning.


"You and I won't name those guilty right now," Putin says when asked if Tuleyev, who's been Kemerovo governor for 21 years, will be dismissed. He's known for always delivering unbelievable results for the Kremlin; Putin got 85% of the vote there this month.

Besides the 64 known to be dead in the Kemerovo fire, 85 people are reportedly missing. 70% of them are children

The Kremlin has apparently softened the governor's tone-deaf accusations against the Kemerovo fire protesters in its transcript, skipping his comment that they're the same opposition that's always "making a fuss"

“Corruption kills” is one of the placards at rally for Kemerovo in central Moscow
Kemerovo fire protesters in Moscow are debating whether they should keep their silent vigil or start shouting slogans, since many believe the authorities are to blame for what happened

"Putin resign!" A rare chant at the Moscow rally/protest for the dozens who died in the Kemerovo fire

Spontaneous rallies for the victims of the Kemerovo fire have taken place in 20 Russian cities, @EchoMskRu says

The Kemerovo mourning vigil turns political. People chant "Putin, resign!" "Navalny" "We're fed up with you!" "Corruption kills" "Tuleyev belongs to jail."
The Kremlin-sanctioned rally in memory of Kemerovo fire victims has hundreds fewer people than the spontaneous one on Pushkin square, where people are chanting "Putin resign!"

"Down with the Tsar!" Kemerovo fire protesters chant in Moscow
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Nekako se spodobi, da se polagajo rože v spomin pa so zadevo malo zasejali in povabili fotografe. PR 101. Tako je izpadlo za MH17 v Schipolu, organsko.


Govori se, da je uradno število mrtvih prenizko. Bi znalo držat - največ jih je bilo v dveh kinodvoranah iz katerih se ni dalo pobegniti.

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn

To Putin, the Kemerovo governor claims the thousands protesting corruption after the fire are 200 "opposition" busybodies: "It's not really the relatives of the dead. It's those same people who are constantly making a fuss"

The governor of Kemerovo asks Putin for forgiveness, not the relatives of the dozens who died in the fire. Them he accuses of using grief "to solve their own problems" at the protest there this morning.


"You and I won't name those guilty right now," Putin says when asked if Tuleyev, who's been Kemerovo governor for 21 years, will be dismissed. He's known for always delivering unbelievable results for the Kremlin; Putin got 85% of the vote there this month.

Besides the 64 known to be dead in the Kemerovo fire, 85 people are reportedly missing. 70% of them are children

The Kremlin has apparently softened the governor's tone-deaf accusations against the Kemerovo fire protesters in its transcript, skipping his comment that they're the same opposition that's always "making a fuss"

“Corruption kills” is one of the placards at rally for Kemerovo in central Moscow
Kemerovo fire protesters in Moscow are debating whether they should keep their silent vigil or start shouting slogans, since many believe the authorities are to blame for what happened

"Putin resign!" A rare chant at the Moscow rally/protest for the dozens who died in the Kemerovo fire

Spontaneous rallies for the victims of the Kemerovo fire have taken place in 20 Russian cities, @EchoMskRu says

The Kemerovo mourning vigil turns political. People chant "Putin, resign!" "Navalny" "We're fed up with you!" "Corruption kills" "Tuleyev belongs to jail."
The Kremlin-sanctioned rally in memory of Kemerovo fire victims has hundreds fewer people than the spontaneous one on Pushkin square, where people are chanting "Putin resign!"

"Down with the Tsar!" Kemerovo fire protesters chant in Moscow

Vprašati se moramo, če bi bil twit boljši.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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Pac-Man ::

Če te moti dolžina res ni potrebe, da citiraš mojo celotno objavo.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Če te moti dolžina res ni potrebe, da citiraš mojo celotno objavo.

Torej, ali bi bil twit boljši ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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Pac-Man ::

Ne.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Zakaj so pa potem medvetki, sveče, rože slabše ter posredno primerne zgražanja ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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Pac-Man ::

Ker demonstrirajo astroturfing.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Ker demonstrirajo astroturfing.

Sej v Ameriki tudi, pa nobenega ne zanima, odkar je FB zgubil verodostojnost Fox news pa raste.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:


Nisem pogledal, ti dam naimg davčna oaza, pa rabiš še kakšnega odvetnika, ki upravlja... KR vpraš doma, ti znajo svetovat.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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Pac-Man ::

Spet, tako izgleda real deal.

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/statu...

Earlier today, outside the #Russia|n embassy in #Kiev, #Ukraine: Ukrainians bring flowers in sympathy to the victims of the fire in #Kemerovo
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

tardusm ::

Če s takimi slikanicam Albioni farbajo ves svet, in mi (potencialno) temu verjamemo,
nam res Bog pomagaj
https://www.kommersant.ru/docs/2018/UK_...

Pac-Man ::

In kaj te na teh slajdih moti?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/stat...

Russia's state TV:
Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Soloviev (who also boasts of a close relationship with Putin) argues that the nation's greatness is determined not by its economy, but "by its ability to destroy the entire world."
#Values


@5:21


https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/97... , video na povezavi

Today's edition of Russia's army newspaper reports that RT's editor-in-chief held a "master class" for the Russian military:
"Russian troops & soldiers of the information front are solving the same tasks, defending the interests of the Motherland."


https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/978632...

At a meeting of government officials in Kemerovo, Tuleyev thanked Putin again and apologized to him. He didn’t apologize to the victims’ families.


Tale o NDA se je brala kot buče, ampak zdaj poroča tudi HRW.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/03/27/sho...
https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/statu..., video na povezavi, 2. polovica

Woman tells a Kemerovo official how she tried to break through into a cinema theater where her children were burning alive. She put the speaker on to make guards hear how they scream for help and say they are dying. She says the guards grinned and didn’t open doors.



Delujejo presenečeni nad trdnim odgovorom na zastrupitev.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/stat...

Russia's state TV is comparing Western sanctions, expulsions to the Crusades, says this is beyond the Cold War - more like an Ice War.
Lawmaker Konstantin Zatulin says: "À la guerre comme à la guerre... They're united, but we'll certainly look for cracks in their coalitions..."


@8:59


https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/stat...

Russia's state TV claims that Kemerovo protests and grieving Russian parents questioning the authorities are "provocations" that are part of Russia's ongoing war against the West, headed by the U.S. Vladimir Bortko says: "Thank God it's not nuclear, or they would be finished."

@43:21
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

nsa_ag3nt ::

With NATO, EU Sets Out Plan to Enable Faster Troop Movement Across Europe
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic...


Medtem Pahor kot vrhovni poveljnik podpira dokaze UK in hoče solidarnost:
https://www.kommersant.ru/docs/2018/UK_...
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five

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Pac-Man ::

Simpatičen filmček o zastrupitvah v pre in post sovjetskih sferah. In še tisti vmes.



Varnostni organi tam okrog imajo tradicionalno radi strupe.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Isotropic ::

eh če je un res izdal kup sovjetskih vohunov, je imo moznost, da ga je kateri od teh (ali kakšen, ki ga je zgrešil, ni poznal...) neodvisno od kremlja.
a so britanci sploh že predložili vzorec strupa? če bi bil res kakšen nov s pozdravi od kremlja, dvomim, da bi čakali

Vazelin ::

ma ja no, neodvisno od kremlja bo nekdo tihotapil ruski živčni strup v Anglijo in tam napadel bivšega agenta in njegovo družino:)) Govorimo o Rusiji, kjer je vsa moč v članih Putinovega kroga, ne neke napredne države ala Finska.

Torej, možnosti:
1. zarota Zahoda (ne vem sicer kako se lahko takšno operacijo izpelje ko je vpletenih toliko ljudi je velika možnost da se razve)
2. Putin konsolidira moč v stilu pazite kaj delate, lahko najdemo vas in vašo družino (mehka varianta nkvd). Njegova klika ima še več moči, še večje strahospoštovanje.

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Pac-Man ::

Isotropic je izjavil:



To "plausible deniability" se gredo že 15+ let in enkrat je treba reč basta. Kot kaže se je to zgodilo pri primeru Skripal.

IMHO se tule niso samo znebili izdajalca, temveč so opravili tudi sondažo mednarodnih odnosov. ZDA bluzi, otočani so zaradi Brexita na bojni nogi s celino. Tudi zato delujejo šokirani nad odgovorom. Zaenkrat 100+ požganih tajnih agentov z diplomatsko imuniteto po celem svetu, Britanci bodo šli tudi skozi vize izdane ruski eliti.

https://www.ft.com/content/4bafade6-329...

Home secretary Amber Rudd has asked officials to review the basis on which more than 700 wealthy Russians were allowed to settle in the UK, in a sign of further British retaliation against Russia after the Salisbury nerve agent attack.

Ms Rudd told MPs that Home Office officials were looking at how Russians who have secured so-called Tier 1 visas in order to live in the UK acquired their wealth.



OPCW ima vzorce, rezultati se pričakujejo čez 2-3 tedne.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/2018/03/...

The head of the OPCW chemical watchdog said Tuesday that it will take two to three weeks to complete laboratory analysis of samples taken from the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain.

...

OPCW chief Ahmet Uzumcu said the samples will be sent to the organisation's main laboratory in The Hague and then to designated labs for analysis.

It will take "another two to three weeks to finalise the analysis", Uzumcu told reporters.

Asked whether the analysis would be able to determine whether the agent was Novichok, Uzumcu said he did not want to prejudge the outcome of the scientific work.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Smrekar1 ::

Isotropic je izjavil:

eh če je un res izdal kup sovjetskih vohunov, je imo moznost, da ga je kateri od teh (ali kakšen, ki ga je zgrešil, ni poznal...) neodvisno od kremlja.


To bi bil odličen scenarij, če bi ga našli do smrti pretepenega, zaklanega, ustreljenega, utopljenega, zažganega ali usmrčenega na skoraj katerikoli drug znan način.

Tole zahteva, da je ruski vohun najprej ukradel načrte kako pridelati ta bojni strup (ker ga bojda Rusija že leta nima več), pridobil kemikalije za nakup (precej lažje boš dobil kamion prekurzorjev za sintetične droge kot tole), se ga naučil delati brez za to potrebne izobrazbe in ne da bi neslavno končal (ali na avtobusu našel srečko z glavnim dobitkom na lotu in se odločil za spremembo življenja, to je bolj verjeten scenarij) in potem zastrupil žrtev - namesto da bi izbral eno izmed zgoraj opisanih možnosti, brez da bi za to obstajal kak poseben razlog.

Mnja. Možnost je, ja, tudi različna od nič je. Morda - tega si nikakor ne upam trditi - je celo večja, kot da se je strup tam formiral spontano, kot posledica zaporedja res velikega števila (skoraj) neskončno neverjetnih kvantnih dogodkov. Čmarlica 57 in to, saj poznaš. Zadeva dejansko deluje, ni samo nek zabaven umotvor.

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Mr.B ::

Hm,
Verjetno so se usrali pa so rekli raje Rusija : In 2016 Iranian chemists synthesised five Novichok agents for analysis and produced detailed mass spectral data.
Čudno da američani nimajo znanja da kaj takega naredijo. In čudno da niso dali vzorcev rusom.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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Pac-Man ::

Ti sploh razumeš, kaka afera bi bila, če se izkaže, da so živčni strup na otoku uporabile ZDA ali VB?
In tu ne gre za delo trojke, ampak je zadaj cela mreža od kemikov, prek birokracije do operatorja, ki je nastavil "past". Samo en člen prične žvižgat in vidim pulitzerjeve od tu do Sonca.

Vse to tveganje zakaj?
Da se prikaže rusko ljubezen do zastrupitev, ki je obče znana?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Ti sploh razumeš, kaka afera bi bila, če se izkaže, da so živčni strup na otoku uporabile ZDA ali VB?
In tu ne gre za delo trojke, ampak je zadaj cela mreža od kemikov, prek birokracije do operatorja, ki je nastavil "past". Samo en člen prične žvižgat in vidim pulitzerjeve od tu do Sonca.

Vse to tveganje zakaj?
Da se prikaže rusko ljubezen do zastrupitev, ki je obče znana?

Se ne spomnim nobenih Pulitzerjev za Tonkinški zaliv ali iraške WMD in podobne zgodbe. Spomnim pa se nekaj milijonov mrtvih, uničenih držav, razmaha terorizma, grabeža naravnih resursov in še česa a tudi tukaj ni bilo Pulitzerjev.

Spomnim se tudi, kak vik in krik je bil še teden-dva nazaj čez nekaj Rusov, ki bi naj lastnoročno derailali ameriške predsedniške volitve, odkar se je odkrila Cambridge Analytica pa zadeva zelo hitro polzi v pozabo.

Ja, ti Pulitzerji so huda reč.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

V obeh primerih ni bilo neke novice, ki bi prelomila vest.

Rusko vmešavanje v volitve ni končana zgodba. Ravno včeraj je bilo potrjeno, da je par ljudi v vrhu trumpove kampanje kontaktiralo z ruskim obveščevalcem. O čemer se je lagalo preiskovalcem. Zdaj pa se bo kdo malo usedel.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/27/poli...

The special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election revealed Tuesday night that prosecutors say they have connected former Trump deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates to a person with ties to a Russian intelligence service while Gates worked on the campaign.

...

The acknowledgment that Gates knew the person had Russian intelligence ties is alleged in a report prosecutors filed about the coming sentencing of a Dutch attorney. That attorney, Alex van der Zwaan, who worked with Gates and Manafort previously, pleaded guilty last month to lying to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators about his interactions with Gates and the unnamed person.

...

Van der Zwaan's career as a lawyer may be over, and he risks missing the birth of his first child in London, it continues.

...

Van der Zwaan's charge carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, though he qualifies for a recommended sentence of zero to six months. He also faces a fine of up to $250,000.


Alex je povsem slučajno poročen s hčerko enega najbogatejših Rusov.

Alex van der Zwaan @ Wikipedia

Alex R. van der Zwaan (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈaːlɛks vɑn dɛr zʋaːn]; born September 1984) is a Belgian-born, London-based Dutch attorney, formerly with the London branch of New York-based international law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. In February 2018 he pleaded guilty in the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.

...

In June 2017 he married Eva Khan, daughter of the Russian billionaire German Khan, co-founder and co-owner of Alfa Group. German Khan is currently suing BuzzFeed and the private investigation firm Fusion GPS over BuzzFeed's publication of the Trump–Russia dossier containing information about Trump’s ties to Russia. Van der Zwaan has Russian roots and has worked with a number of Russian oligarchs.


German Khan @ Wikipedia

German Borisovich Khan (Russian: Герман Борисович Хан; born 24 October 1961) is a Ukrainian-Russian billionaire businessman. After graduating from university in 1988 he worked in a wholesale business selling consumer items, before setting up his own cooperative.

...

He ranked as the 128th richest person in Europe as of March 2016, with an estimated net value of USD $8.7 billion.


Obstajajo tudi povezave med CA in Rusijo.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/m...

Aleksandr Kogan, the Cambridge University academic who orchestrated the harvesting of Facebook data, had previously unreported ties to a Russian university, including a teaching position and grants for research into the social media network, the Observer has discovered.

...

Energy firm Lukoil, which is now on the US sanctions list and has been used as a vehicle of government influence, saw a presentation on the firm’s work in 2014. It began with a focus on voter suppression in Nigeria, and Cambridge Analytica also discussed “micro-targeting” individuals on social media during elections.

...

A slide presentation prepared for the Lukoil pitch focuses first on election disruption strategies used by Cambridge Analytica’s parent company, SCL, in Nigeria. They are presented under the heading “Election: Inoculation”, a military term used in “psychological operations” and disinformation campaigns. Other SCL documents show that the material shared with Lukoil included posters and videos apparently aimed at alarming or demoralising voters, including warnings of violence and fraud.

Discussion of services offered by Cambridge Analytica was apparently going right to the top of Lukoil, even though its retail operations in America are a very minor corner of the oil and gas giant’s empire. Asking for a detailed presentation of Cambridge Analyticas’s work in July 2014, Nix told his colleague the document would be “shared with the CEO of the business”.

The chief executive of Lukoil, Vagit Alekperov, is a former Soviet oil minister who has said the strategic aims of Lukoil are closely aligned with those of Russia. “I have only one task connected with politics, to help the country and the company. I’m not close to Mr Putin, but I treat him with great respect,” he told the New York Times.

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Christopher Wylie, the whistleblower who has come forward to talk to the Observer, said it was never entirely clear what the Russian firm hoped to get from the operation.

“Alexander Nix’s presentation didn’t make any sense to me,” said Wylie, who left Cambridge Analytica soon after the initial meetings. “If this was a commercial deal, why were they so interested in our political targeting?”

Lukoil did not respond to requests for comments.


Kamorkoli se obrneš, sami Rusi. Preveč Rusov za ameriške volitve.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

In kokice.

https://twitter.com/AlexJones_Ex

I'm Alex Jones ex wife. Follow me and read my tweets for Alex's history with the Russian media and close ties to Roger "Cambridge Analytica" Stone.
What's this all about?
Follow me.

Releasing details this week about my ex, Alex Jones' other other woman.
The 'lady' with the Eastern bloc last name.
Follow me. I'm Alex Jones ex-wife.


Eh, ostajam rahlo pozoren, ampak zgleda scam.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Preveč Rusov.

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the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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