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Ne, ne plačaš dvakrat, ker ti fizična oseba ne zaračuna DDVja.

Nisi mogla biti tiho, in si bedarijo zinila.

Plačan pa je DDV dvakrat, če je vmes posrednik, ki je zavezanec za DDV, recimo trgovina z rabljenimi oblačili. Kar pa je samo še en dokaz več, da je v nekaterih primerih DDV za izdelek plačan dvakrat.

A ti veš, kako je pri nas to zakonsko urejeno? :)

Okapi, zakaj pa se potem ne pritožuješ, ko "plačaš DDV" 3x, 4x ali celo 5x?

Mare2 je 17. dec 2015 ob 21:14 izjavil:

A ti veš, kako je pri nas to zakonsko urejeno? :)

Ja, vem. Če se nas FURS loti po črki zakona bodo padale izvršbe levo in desno. Proračun bo hitro poln. Mi se bomo pa hitro navdli delat samoprijave... al pa skrivat vsak evro.

Jokat o tem kako se DDV plača dvakrat je le to... jokanje. Kupiš v trgovini pa ga plačaš točno enkrat (al pa celo nikol, če gre mimo carinske pošte).

Doma.

Okapi je 17. dec 2015 ob 22:23 izjavil:

A bi se moral? Tako pač je. Tudi ko DDV plačam samo 1x, se mi zdi previsok, ampak pač potrpim.

Slišim, da ima Delaware podobno podnebje, kot ga ima Primorska.

Dobil že ene 40 paketov under 22€ iz Azije v zadnjem letu, zdaj pa so prasice naenkrat začeli računat carinski pregled, včasih 4€, včasih 5€, kako se jim sprdne. Yeah, yeah, sej vem da Azijec pogosto poda napačno vrednost, recimo 10$ namesto dejanskih 20$, ampak to doslej ni bil problem, zdaj pa naenkrat potrebujejo denar..

In kako vem, da so cigani? Ker se pogovarjam s kitajskimi prodajalci, ki pošiljajo po vsem svetu na enak način in potem se seveda tako zatakne samo pri nas v Bananastanu. Če bi do tega prihajalo tudi drugod in bi kupci godrnjali, bi tudi prodajalci odreagirali in začeli izpolnjevati te CN22 obrazce 100% točno.

DarwiN je 19. dec 2015 ob 02:58 izjavil:

In kako vem, da so cigani? Ker se pogovarjam s kitajskimi prodajalci, ki pošiljajo po vsem svetu na enak način in potem se seveda tako zatakne samo pri nas v Bananastanu. Če bi do tega prihajalo tudi drugod in bi kupci godrnjali, bi tudi prodajalci odreagirali in začeli izpolnjevati te CN22 obrazce 100% točno.

V bistvu je Bananastan povsod drugje, kjer lahko uvažaš robo z nepopolnimi uvoznimi dokumenti.

Naša carina je itak v p.... Dobil sem tudi nelegalne zadeve, pri kateri niso nič komplicirali, samo da so videli 220$ nakazila na paypalu, katere bodo obdavčili. Še najbolj komplicirajo, ko je malo težji izdelek, a pravilno izpolnjen CN22, hočejo vse žive printscreene.
Lahko smo srečni da tam delajo povečini ženske, ki se jim za razne tehnične zadeve niti sanja ne.

DarwiN je 19. dec 2015 ob 11:58 izjavil:

prvič sliši za ta strošek carinjenja.

In ti mu verjameš? Ker ta "strošek" se obračuna povsod v EU. In je naša carinska pošta med najcenejšimi.

Seveda mu verjamem.. Ker drgač bi tip pravilno izpolnil obrazec.. Ljudje bi mu težili in zahtevali refund.. On namreč nima nič od tega, nobenega motiva, da bi meni napisal manjšo vrednost. Enostavno mi je želel narediti uslugo za vsak slučaj..

BTW, na enem računu piše "Storitev 806770 - Carinski postopek", za plačat 5EUR.... Na drugem pa "Storitev 807330 - Carinski postopek e-poslovanje", za plačat 4EUR.

Zna bit da pri prvem je poslal papirje po e-mailu, v drugem pa je to naredil na njihovem e-portalu..

mihec87 je 19. dec 2015 ob 12:32 izjavil:

Zna bit da pri prvem je poslal papirje po e-mailu, v drugem pa je to naredil na njihovem e-portalu..

Ja Mihec, tole bo... Sem za en paket poslal po emailu, ker sem jih želel še vprašat, kaj jih je pičilo v zadnjem času, da so kar naenkrat postali tako profesionalno pikolovski.

Aha, pol je 1€ več, ko morajo še mail odpreti... Nice!

In v bodoče, ko bom kinezerjem pisal naj pravilno izpolnjujejo vrednost, bodo pa računali nepravilno zapisano ime, ki ne bo vsebovalo šumnikov.. Ali pač neko drugo malenkost..

Pravkar še eden kintajc odgovoril:

Friend, why do you need to pay $ 4? Who charged $ 4 to you

Mislim, vse kaže na to, da se te pikolovske igrice gredo samo naši šalabajzerji. Seveda govorim za izdelke under 22EUR... Od teh odgovorov, do nenadnega zaračunavanja, tudi sama logika, saj on ne izgubi ničesar, če napiše točne podatke.

Grem stavit, da so po tem letošnjem rekordnem navalu pošiljk sklicali izredni sestanek in naročili carinikom, naj odslej stopijo na vsako najmanjšo dlakico in začnejo polnit blagajno.. Mislim, kaj bo druga razlog, da nekje od decembra 2015 kar naenkrat zahtevajo račun za skoraj vsako pošiljko in kasneje praktično brez izjeme zaračunajo strošek.. Od zadnjih 7 pošiljk sem plačal 6x lol.

DarwiN je 19. dec 2015 ob 13:13 izjavil:

Mislim, kaj bo druga razlog, da nekje od decembra 2015 kar naenkrat zahtevajo račun za skoraj vsako pošiljko in kasneje praktično brez izjeme zaračunajo strošek.. Od zadnjih 7 pošiljk sem plačal 6x lol.

Ah dej no... to počnejo že kar nekaj časa.

Če so ti kaj neupravičeno zaračunal reklamiraj zadevo in zahtevaj denar nazaj. Če so ti upravičeno zaračunal pa ne jokat, ane.

In ja, kitajc lahko kar dost strank zgubi če začne pravilno izpolnjevat CN22. A se tebi sanja kolk folka je še vedno sveto prepričanih da če piše "gift" gor da mora bit kar zastonj? Ogromno folka od kitajcev še vedno _zahteva_ da naj pišejo fejk zneske pa "gift" gor. Nekateri celo zahtevajo fejk račun v paketu (pa pol jamrajo kolk jih 'carina' nateguje ko ne pade na to foro). Al pa kupijo izdelek za 20€ s 30€ poštnine (namesto 50€ s 'free' poštnino') pa pričakujejo da 'cariniki' ne bojo debelo gledal.

Pač, jebiga. Začel so delat kot se gre. Tebi pa ne ostane drugega kot da od kitajca zahtevaš da naj pravilno izpolni tist CN22. Grem stavit da se bojo prej kitajci navadli kot pa da bodo 'cariniki' popustil.

Že nekaj časa testiram jodlare.
Do sedaj sem nekaj manjših pošiljk v vrednosti od 20-100€ (NZ, USA, China) prevzel poštno ležeče brez vsakih carinskih stroškov.
Niti en paket ni bil fizično pregledan oz. odprt.
Tu pa tam mi gospa na šalteru v Straß-Spielfeld prijazno zaračuna le 1€ ležarnine.

NewInTown je 19. dec 2015 ob 18:46 izjavil:

SAMO TO MI POJASNITE prosim!?

Pa kaj ti ni jasno? DDV se obračuna tudi na storitve.

Predpostavimo da je z obrazci vse v redu, račun dodan, whatever (tko da nam ni treba plačat tistih par € stroškov) - pa da komu piskra ne odpre ne bomo kompliciral s carinsko pošto ampak stvar poenostavimo s carino:

Naročiš eno stvar do 22€ + kake 3€ poštnine - stvar gre skoz carino brez da bi ti DDV obračunal ker je vrednost _blaga_ pod carinsko prednostjo.

Naročiš eno stvar nad 22€ + kake 3€ poštnine - na carini ti obračunajo DDV tako na blago kot na poštno storitev. Ker je vrednost _blaga_ nad carinsko.

Naročiš eno stvar do 22€ + 100€ poštnine (ker je kao važno sam da je vrednost blaga do 20€) - na carini se ti v fris smejijo ker je vsem jasno da se kompenzira s poštnino in zahtevajo dodatne papirje (če ti še vedno ne verjamejo grejo pa sami na net pogledat kolk zadeva res stane).

Za DHL? Naročiš neko stvar za 70€ + poštnina 25€ + DHL zaračuna še bančno garancijo 10€ - na carini te zato (ker je blago nad carinsko vrednosto) opalijo z DDV na vse to.

Bo šlo? Enako se dela povsod v EU.

Mene pa zanima kaj je ta "bančna garancija"?
Poleg tega da cuzajo denar, morajo imeti neko razlago, kaj je to.

https://zakonodaja.com/zakon/zddv-1/36-...
Zakon o davku na dodano vrednost (ZDDV-1-NPB10); čistopisVI. - DAVČNA OSNOVA
VI. 36.a člen
36. člen
(dobave blaga ali storitev)tt
(neuradno prečiščeno besedilo)

(1) Pri dobavah blaga ali storitev davčna osnova vključuje vse, kar predstavlja plačilo (v denarju, v stvareh ali v storitvah), ki ga je prejel ali ga bo prejel dobavitelj ali izvajalec od kupca, naročnika ali tretje osebe za te dobave, vključno s subvencijami, ki so neposredno povezane s ceno takih dobav, če ni s tem zakonom drugače določeno.

(2) Pri dobavah blaga iz 7. in 8. člena tega zakona tt, davčno osnovo predstavlja nabavna cena blaga ali podobnega blaga oziroma lastna cena blaga, določena v trenutku uporabe, razpolaganja ali zadržanja blaga.

(3) Pri opravljenih storitvah iz 15. člena tega zakona tt davčno osnovo sestavljajo celotni stroški davčnega zavezanca za opravljene storitve.

(4) Pri dobavah blaga v obliki prenosa blaga v drugo državo članico, davčno osnovo predstavlja nabavna cena blaga ali podobnega blaga oziroma lastna cena blaga, določena v trenutku prenosa.

(5) V davčno osnovo se vštevajo, če že niso všteti:

a) trošarine in drugi davki, takse, uvozne in druge dajatve, razen DDV;

b) postranski stroški, kot so provizije, stroški pakiranja, prevoza in zavarovanja, ki jih dobavitelj ali izvajalec zaračuna kupcu oziroma naročniku storitve.

(6) V davčno osnovo se ne vštevajo:

a) cenovni popusti za predčasno plačilo;

b) cenovni popusti in rabati, odobreni naročniku in obračunani v trenutku dobave;

c) zneski, ki jih davčni zavezanec prejme od svojega naročnika kot povračilo za izdatke, ki jih je plačal v imenu in za račun naročnika in jih vodi v svojem knjigovodstvu kot prehodne postavke. Davčni zavezanec mora zagotoviti dokazila o dejanskem znesku teh izdatkov in ne sme odbiti morebiti zaračunanega DDV od teh transakcij.

(7) Pri dobavi blaga oziroma storitev, ki jo opravi davčni zavezanec, ki v Sloveniji nima sedeža, je davčna osnova vse, kar predstavlja plačilo, ki ga je ali ga bo prejemnik blaga oziroma storitev moral izvršiti dobavitelju.

(8) Če plačilo za opravljeno dobavo blaga oziroma storitev preseže znesek, do katerega bi bil davčni zavezanec upravičen, je davčna osnova prejeto plačilo, v katero ni vključen DDV.

Uradni list RS, št. 13/2011 z dne 28. 2. 2011: 36. člen ZDDV-1

Uradni list RS, št. 13/11 - uradno prečiščeno besedilo, 18/11, 78/11, 38/12 in 83/12: ZDDV-1-NPB9

Uradni list RS, št. 13/11 - uradno prečiščeno besedilo, 18/11, 78/11, 38/12, 83/12 in 86/14: ZDDV-1-NPB10

In the EU, the recent report on the taxation of the so-called 'digital economy' (European Commission,
2014c) aims to address current flaws in European taxation as regards the emergence of the digital
economy. The Group behind this report considers de-minimis rules to represent a distortion of
competition. The Group recommends that "the small consignments exemption is abolished and that this
should be pursued as a priority in tandem with the development of the broader One Stop Shop (OSS), in
order to create a level playing field between EU and non-EU suppliers" (European Commission, 2014c)

No, a sem rekel, nekatere oprostitev DDVja za po poštni poslane kitajske izdelke, cenejše od 22 evrov, hudo moti. Z razliko je mirno mogoče pokriti poštnino in tako veliko denarja, ki bi ga sicer zapravili v evropskih trgovinah, konča pri Kinezih.

Jaz trenutno čakam na 19 pošiljk, vse pod 22 evri.

http://exporthelp.europa.eu/thdapp/disp...

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DHL-u se moram upraičit!!

LP

Carine tako ni če je pod 150 Eur
Je pa DDV !!

Darkolord ima prav:
Naročiš eno stvar do 22EUR + 100EUR poštnine (ker je kao važno sam da je vrednost blaga do 20EUR) - na carini se ti v fris smejijo ker je vsem jasno da se kompenzira s poštnino in zahtevajo dodatne papirje (če ti še vedno ne verjamejo grejo pa sami na net pogledat kolk zadeva res stane).

Za DHL? Naročiš neko stvar za 70EUR + poštnina 25EUR + DHL zaračuna še bančno garancijo 10EUR - na carini te zato (ker je blago nad carinsko vrednosto) opalijo z DDV na vse to.

Po EU regulativi:
The taxable amount is made up of the customs valueplus the duty paid and the transportation and insurance costs up to the first place of destination within the EU.
VAT is not due when the total value of all goods in a consignment (value not inclusive of custom duties or transport costs) is less than a threshold. The threshold may vary from 10 euros to 22 euros, depending on the EU country. Certain countries, however, exclude mail orders from the exemption. This exception does not apply to tobacco or tobacco products and alcoholic products.

Nesmiselno pa je in totalno NELOGIČNO o DHL-a vključevati DHL storitve v CENO UVOŽENEGA BLAGA in od te skupne cene zaračunavati karkoli, kajti BLAGO je vrednost uvoza. DHL je le storitev in ne BLAGO ki ga uvažam.

Povej to še barabi od frizerja, ker se tudi tam računa DDV na storitev in ne na blago.

To pa ni res. Od šampona, ki ga kupi frizer si seveda poračuna davek in ga ne plača. DDV plača samo končni potrošnik.