K8: Athlon64, AthlonFX, Opteron

Itak se je že mal zamerila parim proizvajalcem, ker je dala SLI chipset na voljo le ASUS-u in MSI-u.

hm, od kje pa potem SLI plate pri DFIju in TYANu z nf4??

Potemtakem bi bilo smesno vprasanje, ce kdo kupi AMD Athlona 3500+ model Winchester za 80k? :-P :-)

Seveda novega, zapakiranega.. se disi po svezem. :-D

Itak predrago! AMD-jevci smo stiskači ! Daj mi raje 3000+ ali pa 3200+, za bistveno manj keša pa da ga navijem. Sedaj ko imam 3200+ S754 512/2,2 GHz, sem mal bolj pozorno spremljal benchmarke in je razlika v skrajnem primeru, clock for clock 20% glede na 1 MB/S939, tam kjer pa je meni pomembno (igre) pa največ 15%, pa še to bolj izjemoma.

Čeprav me matra, ker S754 ni več optimalen AMD sistem, se tolažim, da za tistih par FPS-jev pa res ni vredno iti spet vse menjat (mogoče edin, če dobim poceni nForce 3 250 plato, ker VIA čeprav dela lepo mi pusti cmok v grlu ko navijam, ker ne vem ali PCI/AGP lock dela ali ne). Sem se že odločil, da edin še grafiko nadgradim v 6800 GT AGP pol bom pa po moje kar nehal. Sem že dovolj star, da se posvetim še čemu drugemu .

Tukaj je postopek za navijanje A64.

250GB ima še integriran Gigabit Ethernet v čipu (native).

Pri navadnem nF3 250 gre HTT vodilo samo do 800 MHz (4x200), pri GB pa do 1000 (4x250), kar je zelo pomembno pri navijanju, ker A64 deluje pri 200 MHz in množilnik ima navzgor zaklenjen, tako da je HTT edin način navijanja, zato za navijanje nujno rabiš nF3 250 GB, da greš s HTT-jem navzgor. NE pozabi seveda, da potrebuješ še dober RAM, da bo pariral HTT-ju, drugače se moraš zezat s delilniki, da RAM deluje asinhrono pod frekvenco HTT-ja, kar je lahko problem, ker ti lahko na koncu RAM deluje pod nazivno hitrostjo 200 MHz, kar je zguba potencialnega bandwith-a pa še asinhrono delovanje ni tako učinkovito kot sinhrono.

Jaz hočem recimo mojga 3200+ (2,2 GHz, 11x200) navit na 2,5 GHz, se pravi bom rabil HTT na 2500/11=227,27 MHZ, torej zaokroženo navzgor 228 MHz, torej rabim RAM, ki je sposoben vsaj 233 MHz (DDR466, PC 3700).

Evo, upam, da sem bil dovolj jasen .

Zdaj pa še eno vprašanje od mene. A kdo ve na kateri SATA priključek moram priklopit SATA disk na FDI Lan party nF3 250 GB, da ne bo problem pri navijanju. A mora bit to SATA, ki je native nForce čipovju ali un, ki je omogočen z dodatnim čipom?

Evo sem že sam najdu odgovor:

Of the three boards tested here, the DFI is the only one that fully implements the features of the nVidia nForce3-250GB, and this shows in the ability of <b>SATA ports 3 and 4 to perform just as well as IDE</b> on the DFI board. While the Soltek and Asus are a bit faster, the DFI clearly wins on feature quality. The Asus has more SATA ports, but the SATA ports don't work at extended range as the DFI SATA does.

atastrumf ma samogovor

kolko jaz vem je ultra oznaka cipseta na s939 plosci, Gb pa na s754 plosci, drugace pa razlik, razen v imenu, ni.

Tist gonilnik je namenjen aktivaciji AMD Cool'n'Quiet tehnologije v Windowsih...

Ni nujno instalirat, sam ce hoces da ta yadeva dela, moras v BIOSu enableat Cool'n'Quiet, ter ra gonilnik instalirat.

LP

TribesMan

kakšno je zdej stanje sz A64 steppingi na 754 podnožju? kateri so tisti pravi?

A kaj veste kako je z nVidia IDE SW gonilniki v ForceWare 5.10 za nForce 3 čipovje? A se jih splača inštalirat ali ne, ker na nForce 2 in 3.13, če se ne motim, vem, da ti je pol sf**kal pečenje CDR/DVDR-jev.

Samo preverjam, naložene imaš celotne FW 5.10, torej tudi IDE gonilnike?

Mam eno vprasanje: Vceraj sem kupil pri trgovini JAE v Mariboru processor AMD Athlon 64 3200+ s939 in me zanima ce kdo ve ali ze imajo tam processorje grajene v 90nm tehnologiji (vceraj pozabo vprasat :D) ? Na skatli od processorja in tudi v navodilih pa ne pise nic, v compu pa tudi ne morem preveriti ker se nimam maticne. Hvala za odgovor.

P.S: Ker sem bol novi v sestavljanju celega compa me zanima kaj je v zevzi s tem: Prodajalec mi je rekel da ne smem dat vec kot 2mm termalne paste gor...Ali je nujno da jo dam sploh gor?:)

Čist enostavno lahko ugotoviš ali je 90 nm ali ne. Poglej kodo, ki je podčrtana na spodnji sliki:



Če imaš ti tisti dve črki, ki sta uokvirjeni BI pol je 90 nm, če pa je kaj drugega pa 130 nm. Za podrobnejšo razlago te in ostalih kod glej tukaj.

Drugič se pa le pozanimaj pred nakupom , drugače pa v roku 8 dni nesi nazaj pa ti bojo zamenjali.

90nm zverina, škoda da ne morem ne vem kako navijat, ker je v strežniku

Ok hvala lepa za odgovore :) Je 90nm ja:) Glede paste pa bom rajse neso v trgovino da mi ga naredijo na maticno da nebom kaj skuro :) Tnx se enkrat.

Hehe mam BOX verzijo ja pa nisn vedo da je ze pasta gor :) tnx

Ed na overclockers.com je dal en link glede dual cores in kompatibilnost s trenutnimi platami, ampak je potrebna lameass registracija, zato vam tukaj copy/paste-am link-an članek:

AMD and 90nm Manufacturing: Paving the Way for Tomorrow, Today

By Texpert

AMD Athlon 64 processors centering on the 90nm manufacturing process are already available at retail. However, the transition is still in progress. AMD expects that approximately 50 percent of all eighth-generation wafer starts will be 90nm by the end of 2004. The rapid ramp-up will continue into 2005 across the mobile, desktop, server, and workstation segments. AMD’s current roadmap posits that all processors will be manufactured at 90nm midway through 2005.

One of the most significant factors contributing to AMD’s success with 90nm is APM version 2.0, the automated material processing approach used to maximize both quality and efficiency during manufacturing. Now, automating the way materials move within a Fab is nothing new; APM takes that a step further, though, by also automating the way decisions are made during the process. In short, it enables each tool in the manufacturing line to subtly adjust AMD’s master recipe according to information received from other equipment. The result is optimized yield for every lot of 25 wafers.

Even as AMD focuses attention on ramping up 90nm production, it’s already building another fabrication plant in Dresden, Germany, that will spearhead a push to 65nm manufacturing in 2006. Fab 36, as it is called, will handle 300mm wafers using the third generation of AMD’s APM methodology. APM 3.0 extends the yield control of its predecessor by gathering information about each processor die and adjusting the master recipe on a per-wafer basis. APM 3.0 provides a tighter integration of the process control systems with the other parts of the factory (active scheduling, predictive yield management, automated decision making etc.). The combination of 300mm wafers, 65nm manufacturing, and APM 3.0 promises to maximize manufacturing efficiency.

Until then, AMD will make further enhancements to its 90nm manufacturing process by adding strained silicon, increasing drive current by stretching the silicon atoms that comprise the channel region of each transistor.

Next Up: Dual-Core
The perpetual miniaturization of electronic circuits is certainly enabling exciting new possibilities. Beyond today’s AMD Athlon 64 processor lineup, there is a family of dual-core processors planned that center on the same eighth-generation architecture. The technology has already been publicly demonstrated using an HP ProLiant DL585 server with four physical socket interfaces and 90nm, dual-core, AMD Opteron processors.
AMD’s dual-core processors are being designed with today’s infrastructure in mind. System integrators will have no problem incorporating AMD Opteron processors into existing platforms and any desktop motherboard supporting a 90nm AMD Athlon 64 processor will accommodate dual-core descendants of the chip as well.

The seamlessness of AMD’s dual-core adoption is due to a couple of notable factors. One is 90nm manufacturing, which reduces power consumption to the point that putting two cores on one die is feasible, even though the task requires roughly 205 million transistors. And despite that extra functionality, the die size of a dual-core AMD Opteron processor will resemble its 130nm predecessor.

Another key ingredient is the micro-architecture’s design. AMD Opteron processors already feature the crossbar switch and system request interface needed to arbitrate between two cores. Thus, the addition of another processing core and cache repository is made much more elegant. And because both cores share a memory controller and HyperTransport™ technology resources, the processor’s pin-outs remain consistent with existing interfaces.

Conclusion
AMD’s experience manufacturing 130nm transistors using copper interconnects, SOI, and low-k dielectrics is paying off today in its rapid shift to 90nm. Not only do the 90nm processors boast improved power characteristics, but they are generally regarded as featuring better clock scalability as well. Consequently, AMD is in a strong position moving forward, as its low-power consumption numbers are an encouraging sign for the micro-architecture’s future.
With strained silicon already a part of the AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 processor, you can expect to see AMD making further adjustments to its 90nm process in the months to come, leading up to availability of dual-core processors scheduled for 2005. The completion of Fab 36 will culminate the life of 90nm as AMD shifts gears to 65nm manufacturing and begins tooling up for the eventual adoption of 45nm and beyond.

By: Texpert

Cool a? Samo verjetno to velja samo za Socket 940, mogoče tudi 939, 754 pa zvisi.

Tanove dual Tyanke za Opteron so zunaj:

S2895W

Zanimivo...

Ali na s939 platah delajo vsi Athloni 64, ali pa morajo biti različni cpuji za 754 in 939 socket. Mlacom ma v ceniku socket 754 in socket 939 procesorje.

WinXP x64 + AMD64/EM64T test.

Vsekakor zanimivo branje, pa tudi prejšnje strani si poglejte. Zanimivo je, kako je Sandra skompajlana z Intelovim EM64T kompilerjem zelo hitra na EM64T, ter kako AMD64 izgubi na performansah

Me prav zanima, kdaj se bo to preselilo v "939". Morda AMD čaka na EMT64.

Oziroma, če se bo sploh preselilo. AMD namrče že govori o M2 socketu...

Sicer pa, kot kaže bomo kmalu uvideli WinXP 64, ker naj bi bil RC2 če razposlan beta testerjem.

Govor o M2 se je pojavil zaenkrat samo v roadmapih za 2006. AMD tega ni komentiral, se pa pričakuje, da bo to za dvojedrne procesorje.

Zdele pa linka na ta roadmap ne najdem, je že vsaj 3 tedne stara zadeva.

V roku enega meseca nameravam kupit en mocan server. Se 4-way opteroni splacajo ali je Xeon se vedno - the way to go?

Drugace bo pa kista namenjena single-thread cpu in i/o intenzivnim operacijam.