» »

Huaweijevi novi telefoni kljub ameriškim sankcijam s sodobno strojno opremo

1 2
3
»

TezkoDihanje ::

Tajvanci rojeni po 1949 so kar lepo Tajvanci.
Tudi otroci tistih, ki so zbežali iz Kitajske v ZDA niso več Kitajci. So kar lepo Američani.

Gregor P ::

Le da se imajo Tajvanci sami še vedno za "originalne" Kitajce.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

LightBit ::

Taiwan == Republic of China (ROC)
Taiwan != People's Republic of China (PRC)

Taiwan ni razglasil neodvisnosti oni trdijo do so "prava" kitajska in da jim preostalo ozemlje okupira "napačna" kitajska. Seveda PRC trdi da je Tajwan njihov in da so oni "prava" kitajska. Osebno mislim da bi bil neodvisen Taiwan dober kompromis v tem konfliktu.

Če PRC reče da je čip popolnoma kitajski, ali to pomeni da je lahko iz Taiwana (saj je po njihovem to kitajska)?
Na Wikipediji sicer piše "In 2021, SMIC started shipping 7nm chips".

LightBit ::

Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation @ Wikipedia
"TechInsights had stated in 2022 that it believed SMIC had managed to produce 7 nm chips, even though faced by a harsh sanctions regime, by adapting simpler machines that it could still purchase from ASML."

TezkoDihanje ::

Gregor P je izjavil:

Le da se imajo Tajvanci sami še vedno za "originalne" Kitajce.


Majority in Taiwan No Longer Say They’re Chinese

Three-quarters of those living in Taiwan consider themselves to be Taiwanese instead of Chinese—a sharp increase from a decade ago.

Gregor P ::

To je sicer lepo, da izvajajo ankete, ampak uradno se še vedno imajo imajo za Kitajce in Kitajsko.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

Gagatronix ::

A to bos sel njim na mejo branit pred ZLOBNIM ZAHODOM ? :)

Gregor P ::

Ne, to le pomeni, da bo nekega dne to spet ena velika Kitajska tako ali drugače.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

Mr.B ::

TezkoDihanje je izjavil:

Gregor P je izjavil:

Le da se imajo Tajvanci sami še vedno za "originalne" Kitajce.


Majority in Taiwan No Longer Say They’re Chinese

Three-quarters of those living in Taiwan consider themselves to be Taiwanese instead of Chinese—a sharp increase from a decade ago.

Tajvann, je nastalo kot leglo kriminalcev, ki so zbežali na Taivan s polno količino nakradenega Kitajskega zlata. Potem pa je Amerika začutila denar in moč in financirala kriminalce v boju proti Kitajski, že videno v okoliških državah.

The Kuomintang (KMT; Chinese Nationalist Party) has frequently been criticized in Taiwan for its connections to gangsters and black gold. The party has had a long association with underground societies, and its founder Sun Yat-sen had joined the Triads to gain support for the Republican Revolution. In its early years, the KMT relied on support from organized crime, gangs, and unions and clan organizations with criminal ties in its efforts to consolidate power in war-torn post-imperial China. As a result, the party made concessions to local "crime bosses", such as the notorious Du Yuesheng in Shanghai, who were well-connected with its longtime leader, Chiang Kai-shek. During the Shanghai massacre of 1927, the KMT employed the Green Gang to exterminate suspected communists; the Green Gang also happened to be a major financial supporter of Chiang Kai-shek. The KMT's relationships with such

PS: Tajvan itak smattra usa kot drugorazredno drzavo , ko se gre za konkurenco tsmc-ju
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Gregor P ::

A zato so pol najdl zlate cegle na estetski kliniki :P

https://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija/e...
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

darksamurai ::

Mr.B je izjavil:


Tajvann, je nastalo kot leglo kriminalcev, ki so zbežali na Taivan s polno količino nakradenega Kitajskega zlata. Potem pa je Amerika začutila denar in moč in financirala kriminalce v boju proti Kitajski, že videno v okoliških državah.

Tajvan leglo kriminalcev? Malo si zamešal. Največji kriminalec v zgodovini človeštva nikoli ni stopil na Tajvan, ampak je živel kar v “mainland”. :)) Zgodovinska dejstva kažejo, da je CCP naredila za nekaj magnitud več in hujših zločinov, kot vojaška hunta, ki je pobegnila na Tajvan.

fikus_ ::

Jaz ne bi enim vzel in drugim dal, oboji (so imeli) precej masla na glavi, predvsem tisti, ko so (bili) na vrhu. Tajvancem z demokracijo bolje kaže, je pa tudi "mainland" Kitajska precej napredovala, naj tako gre tudi naprej.

Podžiganje s strani američanov je kontraproduktivno za ta del sveta, je pa seveda v njihovem interesu delati zgago in govoriti, kako je Kitajska "bad" in kako so oni sami super demokracija.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Gregor P ::

Ampak ok, vsaj jaz če bi izbiral, bi kljub temu rajši živel v Tajvanu kot pa na celinski Kitajski.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

fikus_ ::

Kakšen argument imaš za to? Da je Kitajska diktatura, TW pa ne?

Ker pišemo v tej smeri, paše to sem
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/17012920...

Sicer lahko jemljemo izgovorjeno z rezervo, ampak Kitajc je zadel bistvo, zahodni svet ni več popolnoma samozadosten in kot kaže še manj bo.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Gregor P ::

To je splošno znano dejstvo. Če ne verjameš, se odpravi za kakšen teden dva na Tajvan in potem v komunistično Kitajsko in poročaj; ali pa vprašaj ChatGPT:D

Taiwan is more democratic than China. Taiwan has a multi-party democratic system with regular elections for its president and legislature, a vibrant civil society, and a high degree of political pluralism. Its political system allows for competitive elections, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and other democratic principles.

In contrast, China is a one-party state governed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which exercises tight control over the political landscape. It does not have competitive elections at the national level, and political dissent is often suppressed. China's political system is characterized by limited political pluralism, restrictions on freedom of speech and assembly, and censorship of the media and the internet.

While there may be some local-level elections and experiments with limited forms of democracy in China, these do not compare to the level of political openness and democracy present in Taiwan. Therefore, when comparing the political systems of Taiwan and China, Taiwan is generally considered to be more democratic.
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenil: Gregor P ()

fikus_ ::

Če boste spraševali AI kaj je bolje in da je to splošno znano dejstvo, potem gremo v tri krasne.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Gregor P ::

Ne, zate je AI. Za nas ostale pa je to del rednega osnovnega izobraževanja.;)
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

Zimonem ::

fikus_ ::

Gregor P je izjavil:

Ne, zate je AI. Za nas ostale pa je to del rednega osnovnega izobraževanja.;)


Idiokracija na pohodu.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.

Mr.B ::

darksamurai je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:


Tajvann, je nastalo kot leglo kriminalcev, ki so zbežali na Taivan s polno količino nakradenega Kitajskega zlata. Potem pa je Amerika začutila denar in moč in financirala kriminalce v boju proti Kitajski, že videno v okoliških državah.

Tajvan leglo kriminalcev? Malo si zamešal. Največji kriminalec v zgodovini človeštva nikoli ni stopil na Tajvan, ampak je živel kar v “mainland”. :)) Zgodovinska dejstva kažejo, da je CCP naredila za nekaj magnitud več in hujših zločinov, kot vojaška hunta, ki je pobegnila na Tajvan.

Zgpraj je prvi link, bralno razumevanje zgodovinskih dogodkov v pisni obliki... no sej lahko reces da so bezali is kitajske zaradi komunistov, ne jasne korupcije in bega pred lincanjem naroda.:))
Dokler pa zanikas uradna besedila, se pa se kak :|Α;(( narisi...

Gregor P je izjavil:

To je splošno znano dejstvo. Če ne verjameš, se odpravi za kakšen teden dva na Tajvan in potem v komunistično Kitajsko in poročaj; ali pa vprašaj ChatGPT:D

Taiwan is more democratic than China. Taiwan has a multi-party democratic system with regular elections for its president and legislature, a vibrant civil society, and a high degree of political pluralism. Its political system allows for competitive elections, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and other democratic principles.

In contrast, China is a one-party state governed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which exercises tight control over the political landscape. It does not have competitive elections at the national level, and political dissent is often suppressed. China's political system is characterized by limited political pluralism, restrictions on freedom of speech and assembly, and censorship of the media and the internet.

While there may be some local-level elections and experiments with limited forms of democracy in China, these do not compare to the level of political openness and democracy present in Taiwan. Therefore, when comparing the political systems of Taiwan and China, Taiwan is generally considered to be more democratic.


Chat gpt tudi pravi da se kitajska partija vmesava z lastno partijo v Tajvanske volitve... V koncni fazi za sovrazni govor proti establismentu v ameriki se moras tudi registrirat, pa je vse demokracija...


Kaj ima to veze, kako so kitajci uspeli nabiti americane, ki se vedno nimajo produkcije n7 ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenil: Mr.B ()

Gregor P ::

Zimonem je izjavil:

https://www.quora.com/Which-is-a-better...

Za Indijca je potem Kitajska tud fajn. Ja, to pa dejansko verjamem. :D
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

Zimonem ::

Imaš ene 50 ljudi z različnimi mnenji. Ampak daleč od tega kar se piše na tem forumu.

D3m ::

Indije po novem ne bo več samo še Bharat. :D
|HP EliteBook|R5 6650U|

Gregor P ::

Samo da se zavedamo, kaj je tudi še Indija; to je država, kjer lahko hodiš čez trupla mrtvih otrok na ulici in to nobenega ne briga. Glede na to, da te na Kitajskem lahko zašvasajo v stanovanje, kjer lahko od lakote umreš in teh trupel ljudi ne vidiš direktno na ulicah, je potemtakem Kitajska boljša od Indije ... za Indijca.:8)
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).

asdf1223 ::

Stroje za proizvodnjo čipov v 7-nm litografiji, ki terja uporabo ekstremnega dela ultravijoličnega spektra (EUV), proizvaja samo nizozemski ASML, ki se pridružuje sankcijam. Američane zato zanima, kako neki je SMIC proizvedel te čipe.


Matej Hus, tole pac ne bo drzalo.
7nm se lahko dela z multi patterningom z ne-EUV masinami. Ki so pred kratkim se niso bile blokirane, tako da bodo Kitajci se lep cas proizvajali, in tudi do 5nm bodo prisli, vprasanje pa bo seveda kaksen bo izkoristek in kako cenovno efektivno bo to brez EUV.

podroben tehnicni video
tl;dr: nic nenavadnega in nepricakovanega. so 5 let zadaj, za EUV pa so 10+ let zadaj in ne zgleda, da bi kaj krajsali zaostanek.



in pa ja, SMIC je kopiral vse kar je mogel od TSMCja, zapovrh vsega je pa se "pokradel" ogromno kadra, tudi vrhovnega, na nacin "ce prides delat za nas, dobis stanovanje + 2x placo + preselimo ti celo familijo".

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenilo: asdf1223 ()

Mr.B ::

asdf1223 je izjavil:

Stroje za proizvodnjo čipov v 7-nm litografiji, ki terja uporabo ekstremnega dela ultravijoličnega spektra (EUV), proizvaja samo nizozemski ASML, ki se pridružuje sankcijam. Američane zato zanima, kako neki je SMIC proizvedel te čipe.


Matej Hus, tole pac ne bo drzalo.
7nm se lahko dela z multi patterningom z ne-EUV masinami. Ki so pred kratkim se niso bile blokirane, tako da bodo Kitajci se lep cas proizvajali, in tudi do 5nm bodo prisli, vprasanje pa bo seveda kaksen bo izkoristek in kako cenovno efektivno bo to brez EUV.

podroben tehnicni video
tl;dr: nic nenavadnega in nepricakovanega. so 5 let zadaj, za EUV pa so 10+ let zadaj in ne zgleda, da bi kaj krajsali zaostanek.



in pa ja, SMIC je kopiral vse kar je mogel od TSMCja, zapovrh vsega je pa se "pokradel" ogromno kadra, tudi vrhovnega, na nacin "ce prides delat za nas, dobis stanovanje + 2x placo + preselimo ti celo familijo".

Definiraj pokradli… Ogromno Indijcev je šlo prostovoljno v Ameriko, kaj so jih pokradli, ali misliš prisilili ? A si pogledal koliko je v letu 2023 top Indijcev ozirom Indijskih prišlekov v podjetjih ki spadajo pod top 500 US in leta Fuck china 2018 ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Poldi112 ::

darksamurai je izjavil:

Zgodovinska dejstva kažejo, da je CCP naredila za nekaj magnitud več in hujših zločinov, kot vojaška hunta, ki je pobegnila na Tajvan.


In v kateri zgodovinski knjigi si dobil ta "zgodovinska dejstva"?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Mr.B ::

Povzetek..
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Mr.B ::

In se en božični...

This year, SMIC shocked the world after it began mass production of Huawei's HiSilicon Kirin 9000S processor using its second-gen 7nm process technology. But the company seems to have at least one more trick up its sleeve: a 5nm fabrication process that is either already in use for high-volume manufacturing (HVM) or is in the final stages of its development. In fact, Huawei now lists a chip made on a 5nm-class process node -- an eight-core Arm-based HiSilicon Kirin 9000C processor with Arm Mali-G78 graphics for laptops -- on its website.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
1 2
3
»


Vredno ogleda ...

TemaSporočilaOglediZadnje sporočilo
TemaSporočilaOglediZadnje sporočilo
»

Proizvodni procesi za čipe v različnih podjetjih (strani: 1 2 3 )

Oddelek: Strojna oprema
11213114 (366) FireSnake
»

ZDA gredo v popolno blokado Huaweija

Oddelek: Novice / Tožbe
327159 (1668) Poldi112
»

EU do leta 2030 s proizvodnjo čipov v 5 nm (strani: 1 2 )

Oddelek: Novice / Ostale najave
6711540 (8032) Zimonem
»

Intelovi procesorji Rocket Lake res v 14 nanometrih (strani: 1 2 )

Oddelek: Novice / Procesorji
6019113 (16525) Zimonem

Več podobnih tem