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NATO in Rusija
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Cervantes ::
Ko mi boste pokazali Sadamove WMDje, vam bom verjel, Smrekca&Co.
Me pa čudi, da kao "bolj inteligentna" polovica sveta še vedno pada na bedaste (idiotske?) propagandne trike ala Škripalo.
Money talks?
Prejmite pa moje čestitke ob obletnici osvoboditve Krima!
Me pa čudi, da kao "bolj inteligentna" polovica sveta še vedno pada na bedaste (idiotske?) propagandne trike ala Škripalo.
Money talks?
Prejmite pa moje čestitke ob obletnici osvoboditve Krima!
Iatromantis ::
Pozna kdo Foundations of Geopolitics?
Foundations of Geopolitics @ Wikipedia
Foundations of Geopolitics @ Wikipedia
The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. The book has had a large influence within the Russian military, police, and foreign policy elites and it has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military
Content
The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution." The Eurasian Empire will be constructed "on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us."
Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook believes in a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries.
The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe".
In Europe:
Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow-Berlin axis".[9]
France should be encouraged to form a "Franco-German bloc" with Germany. Both countries have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".
The United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.
Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".
Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.
Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian-Russian sphere.
Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.
Romania, Macedonia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece - "Orthodox collectivist East" - will unite with "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.
In the Middle East and Central Asia:
The book stresses the "continental Russian-Islamic alliance" which lies "at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy". The alliance is based on the "traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization".
Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis".
Armenia has a special role: It will serve as a "strategic base," and it is necessary to create "the [subsidiary] axis Moscow-Erevan-Teheran". Armenians "are an Aryan people ... [like] the Iranians and the Kurds".
Azerbaijan could be "split up" or given to Iran.
Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.
Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.
The book regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory, including "the eastern and northern shores of the Caspian (the territories of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan)" and Central Asia (mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan).
In Asia:
China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet-Xinjiang-Mongolia-Manchuria as a security belt. Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction - Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensation.
Russia should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Kuril Islands to Japan and provoking anti-Americanism.
Mongolia should be absorbed into Eurasia-Russia.
The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."
In the United States:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements - extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."
Pac-Man ::
Tik tok.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/...
The Federal Election Commission has launched a preliminary investigation into whether Russian entities gave illegal contributions to the National Rifle Association that were intended to benefit the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election, according to people who were notified of the probe.
...
A spokesman for the NRA and its lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, which together contributed $30 million to Trump’s presidential campaign, declined to comment on the FEC’s probe.
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Under FEC procedures, the preliminary investigation is likely to require the NRA to turn over closely guarded internal documents and campaign finance records. Depending on what FEC investigators and lawyers find, the agency could launch a full-blown investigation, impose fines or even make criminal referrals to the Justice Department and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, people familiar with the probe said.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/...
The Federal Election Commission has launched a preliminary investigation into whether Russian entities gave illegal contributions to the National Rifle Association that were intended to benefit the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election, according to people who were notified of the probe.
...
A spokesman for the NRA and its lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, which together contributed $30 million to Trump’s presidential campaign, declined to comment on the FEC’s probe.
...
Under FEC procedures, the preliminary investigation is likely to require the NRA to turn over closely guarded internal documents and campaign finance records. Depending on what FEC investigators and lawyers find, the agency could launch a full-blown investigation, impose fines or even make criminal referrals to the Justice Department and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, people familiar with the probe said.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
Pac-Man,
PHOTOSHOP RULES.
lol.
Tole zdaj stoji direktno na poti iz letališča do Mar-a-Laga.
https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/sta...
https://twitter.com/lulu_lemew/status/9...
"Komite za zaščito predsednika" je medtem prišel do spoznanja, da njegov krhki ego tega ne bo prenesel, zato so/bodo zraven postavili
“When we saw the billboards go up we said, ‘we’re not going to let them have the field to themselves,’ ” said Ted Harvey, chairman of the Committee to Defend the President. “We will never leave the field of battle and we will be aggressive in our tactics.”
...
The committee mobilized its design team and began scouring the area for billboards, Harvey said. The closest billboard they could find on such short notice was just west of I-95 along Okeechobee Boulevard - not on the motorcade route. However, on April 2 - the day after Easter - the committee’s second billboard will go up. Not only is it along the motorcade route but it is also on the flip side of Mad Dog PAC’s impeachment billboard.
Mad Dog PAC se resno ukvarja tudi z NRA,
https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/sta...
Hello, Nashville. Help us fund the billboards here http://maddogpac.com
zato so MAGA luzerji reeeeeeeees sproženi:
https://twitter.com/ReallyDontTrump/sta...
https://www.usmaganews.com/2018/03/18/g...
https://mediaequalizer.com/kyleeidson/2...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Mr.B ::
Zgleda sem ti res na žul stopil. Good luck. Kokice že mam, za šov, ko se bo Trumpi zagovarjal pred sodiščem.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Pac-Man ::
Tale tema res postaja Inferno.
Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate!
Torej jo zapusti.
Meni je prijetno toplo.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Cervantes ::
Tale tema res postaja Inferno.
Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate!
Torej jo zapusti.
Meni je prijetno toplo.
Lahko postane še topleje.
Morda celo vroče.
Temo naj zapustim?
Dobra misel, bom upošteval.
Saj razen tvojih dolgo- in brez- veznih pastov se itak nič ne dogaja.
Rusi so bili pa bad guys že prej, itak.
MadMicka ::
Rusi niso bad guys, ruska oblast pa je. Tipična diktatura, ki se na zunaj hoče kazati kot demokracija. Pobil in zaprl so novinarje, ki so bili kritični do oblasti, zaprl ali prevzeli so medije, ki so bili kritični do oblasti. In potem imajo volitve, kak joke. Tako kot npr. so imeli volitve v Titovi Jugoslaviji pa Huseinovem Iraku, itd. Upam, da Putin dočaka sojenje, kot številni diktatorji pred njim. Res pa je neverjetno, kolk velik Slovencev misli, kolk je Putin kul, pa kok so papki na Zahodu, presneti debili.
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Samuel ::
Ko mi boste pokazali Sadamove WMDje, vam bom verjel, Smrekca&Co.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/worl...
Me pa čudi, da kao "bolj inteligentna" polovica sveta še vedno pada na bedaste (idiotske?) propagandne trike ala Škripalo.
Čudi te, ker ne poznaš ruske mentalitete.
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.
noticably not worth noticing.
Mr.B ::
Ko mi boste pokazali Sadamove WMDje, vam bom verjel, Smrekca&Co.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/worl...
Me pa čudi, da kao "bolj inteligentna" polovica sveta še vedno pada na bedaste (idiotske?) propagandne trike ala Škripalo.
Čudi te, ker ne poznaš ruske mentalitete.
Ker ti jo pa poznas. Si živel v jugoslaviji. Ti si expert. No koliko let si pa živel v Rusiji ? Al si to samo bral...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
Poldi112 ::
Samuel izgleda še kar verjame, da so šli američani v iraq po wmd. CIA pa glede tega že ne bi lagala, anede? :)
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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Smrekar1 ::
Samuel ::
Ker ti jo pa poznas. Si živel v jugoslaviji. Ti si expert. No koliko let si pa živel v Rusiji ? Al si to samo bral...
Vse to.
Samuel izgleda še kar verjame, da so šli američani v iraq po wmd. CIA pa glede tega že ne bi lagala, anede? :)
Irak je imel WMD. Uporabil ga je. Dokazov o popolnem uničenju ni bilo. Torej? Ga je prodal komu?
If you notice this notice, you will notice that this notice is
noticably not worth noticing.
noticably not worth noticing.
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Poldi112 ::
Nepomembno. Breme dokaza je na agresorju in danes VEMO, da so o WMD lagali v UN.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
c3p0 ::
Pa slikico Bin Ladna so pozabili škljocniti, preden so ga sunili v morje, happens. Saj nam ne bi lagali...
Smrekar1 ::
Smrekar1 ::
USA in UK so vedeli že prej, preden so šli v Irak!
Nedvomno, saj so vendar o tem imeli predstavitev v OZN. Izkazalo se je, da so imeli prav. Trajalo je malo dlje, ker so orožja pobasali nekateri posamezniki znotraj režima, ampak očitno so jih uspeli zavarovati.
Neprijavljena in nedovoljena orožja za masovno uničevanju so bila v Iraku, koalicija jih je v skladu z mandatom OZN našla in uničila. Kaj naj bi naredili drugega?
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Pac-Man ::
O iraškem orožju in par drugih malenkostih. Avtorica je bivša CIA analitičarka, ki je delala na tem.
https://twitter.com/nadabakos/status/97...
I am about to write a thread I am so tired of repeating on the anniversary of the Iraq invasion. Then I open twitter, or read an article, and feel the urge to climb up on my high, old, decripit horse, so here goes.
A Cautionary Tale, Anatomy of How the US Goes to War: 15 years ago I was sitting at the CIA watching the live news feed of the US military rolling into Iraq while simultaneously reading the raw intel as it came in from the field. I was an analyst on the team charged with evaluating if Saddam had links to terrorism.
War was predicated on Saddam Hussein's (ultimately nonexistent) stockpiles of weapons, but there was an assertion that he'd pass them on to al-Qaida. Our team wrote a very long paper titled, 'Iraqi Support for Terrorism' we did not find a substantial link between Iraq & al Qaeda. The report said that the Intelligence Community has no credible information that Baghdad had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks.
The media interviews from some (Cheney, Rumsfeld) in the administration began to use a horribly sourced, and drafted, assessment by the Doug Feith policy office at the Pentagon, which was determined to find a strong connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.
The politicization of the intel came about by building a team that would support their interest in order to justify going to war. Just a taste of that angle would prove to be enough to persuade some in the public domain and Congress, allow for confusion and infuriate others.
Our CIA paper was briefed and delivered to the White House and Congress. However, repeating an alternative fact over and over and over again proved to be an efficient way to sway public opinion.
There is a disturbing trend in the Trump Administration to abandon the not-so-perfect Iran deal. If they do, we lose visibility (e.g. North Korea). As with Iraq, there are always unintended consequences to large military interventions.
We cannot replace diplomatic efforts with military action, the cost is too high for everyone. For the love of God, aren’t we due to learn this lesson already?
https://twitter.com/nadabakos/status/97...
I am about to write a thread I am so tired of repeating on the anniversary of the Iraq invasion. Then I open twitter, or read an article, and feel the urge to climb up on my high, old, decripit horse, so here goes.
A Cautionary Tale, Anatomy of How the US Goes to War: 15 years ago I was sitting at the CIA watching the live news feed of the US military rolling into Iraq while simultaneously reading the raw intel as it came in from the field. I was an analyst on the team charged with evaluating if Saddam had links to terrorism.
War was predicated on Saddam Hussein's (ultimately nonexistent) stockpiles of weapons, but there was an assertion that he'd pass them on to al-Qaida. Our team wrote a very long paper titled, 'Iraqi Support for Terrorism' we did not find a substantial link between Iraq & al Qaeda. The report said that the Intelligence Community has no credible information that Baghdad had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks.
The media interviews from some (Cheney, Rumsfeld) in the administration began to use a horribly sourced, and drafted, assessment by the Doug Feith policy office at the Pentagon, which was determined to find a strong connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.
The politicization of the intel came about by building a team that would support their interest in order to justify going to war. Just a taste of that angle would prove to be enough to persuade some in the public domain and Congress, allow for confusion and infuriate others.
Our CIA paper was briefed and delivered to the White House and Congress. However, repeating an alternative fact over and over and over again proved to be an efficient way to sway public opinion.
There is a disturbing trend in the Trump Administration to abandon the not-so-perfect Iran deal. If they do, we lose visibility (e.g. North Korea). As with Iraq, there are always unintended consequences to large military interventions.
We cannot replace diplomatic efforts with military action, the cost is too high for everyone. For the love of God, aren’t we due to learn this lesson already?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Fritz ::
Paco je dal čisto korekten citat. Pohvalno.
Drugače pa je danes zgodba Cambridge Analytica in vse kaže, da so Rusi šolarčki proti tem moneymakerjem.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/m...
Dejansko ruski in drugi troli niso vplivali na ameriške volitve nič več kot prej mediji + internet, le da se danes skoraj vse seli na net in se fake news prodaja lažje in hitreje. Če se nekdo spomni, se je že pri zatiranju gibanja Ocuppy Wall Street govorilo o informacijski kampanji, temu je sledilo odlično podprto gibanje Čajankarjev (Tea Party) in na koncu smo tudi mi oz. SD in SDS, na volitvah 2012, dobili ameriške in izraelske svetovalce za to, kako se tem rečem streže.
Kdor spremlja komentarje na slovenskih novičarskih straneh je verjetno že opazil, da strankarski troli delujejo na polno. Vrsta novih komentatorjev, ki venomer vrti isto lajno. Jp, volitve se bližajo in tega bo čedalje več, v vseh možnih oblikah.
Drugače pa je danes zgodba Cambridge Analytica in vse kaže, da so Rusi šolarčki proti tem moneymakerjem.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/m...
Dejansko ruski in drugi troli niso vplivali na ameriške volitve nič več kot prej mediji + internet, le da se danes skoraj vse seli na net in se fake news prodaja lažje in hitreje. Če se nekdo spomni, se je že pri zatiranju gibanja Ocuppy Wall Street govorilo o informacijski kampanji, temu je sledilo odlično podprto gibanje Čajankarjev (Tea Party) in na koncu smo tudi mi oz. SD in SDS, na volitvah 2012, dobili ameriške in izraelske svetovalce za to, kako se tem rečem streže.
Kdor spremlja komentarje na slovenskih novičarskih straneh je verjetno že opazil, da strankarski troli delujejo na polno. Vrsta novih komentatorjev, ki venomer vrti isto lajno. Jp, volitve se bližajo in tega bo čedalje več, v vseh možnih oblikah.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Fritz ::
Sem odgovarjal Smrekarju.
Moj komentar se ni nanašal na tvojega. Se opravičujem, če je tako videti. Dejansko sem pohvalil Pac-mana za dober komentar/citat.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Pac-Man ::
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
Pac-Man ::
FOX je nov RT.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralp...
A retired United States Army lieutenant colonel and Fox News contributor quit Tuesday and denounced the network and President Donald Trump in an email to colleagues.
"Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration," wrote Ralph Peters, a Fox News "strategic analyst."
"Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association. Now I am ashamed," he wrote.
in iz samega maila:
As a Russia analyst for many years, it also has appalled me that hosts who made their reputations as super-patriots and who, justifiably, savaged President Obama for his duplicitous folly with Putin, now advance Putin's agenda by making light of Russian penetration of our elections and the Trump campaign. Despite increasingly pathetic denials, it turns out that the "nothing-burger" has been covered with Russian dressing all along. And by the way: As an intelligence professional, I can tell you that the Steele dossier rings true--that's how the Russians do things.. The result is that we have an American president who is terrified of his counterpart in Moscow.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralp...
A retired United States Army lieutenant colonel and Fox News contributor quit Tuesday and denounced the network and President Donald Trump in an email to colleagues.
"Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration," wrote Ralph Peters, a Fox News "strategic analyst."
"Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association. Now I am ashamed," he wrote.
in iz samega maila:
As a Russia analyst for many years, it also has appalled me that hosts who made their reputations as super-patriots and who, justifiably, savaged President Obama for his duplicitous folly with Putin, now advance Putin's agenda by making light of Russian penetration of our elections and the Trump campaign. Despite increasingly pathetic denials, it turns out that the "nothing-burger" has been covered with Russian dressing all along. And by the way: As an intelligence professional, I can tell you that the Steele dossier rings true--that's how the Russians do things.. The result is that we have an American president who is terrified of his counterpart in Moscow.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
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Mr.B ::
Pac-man, samo zate : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKnJTRei...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
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- predlagal izbris: Iatromantis ()
Fritz ::
FOX je nov RT.
Malce obrnjeno perspektivo imaš. Murdoch & Co. so izkrivljali medijski prostor že dolgo preden so se Ruskies spomnili, da bi tudi sami naredili kaj na to temo in ponudili njihov pogled.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Vazelin ::
http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/zana-nemcova-...
Spet čečeni krivi?
Atentat na vodjo ruske opozicije Borisa Nemcova je njegovi hčerki Žani Nemcovi popolnoma spremenil življenje: ko je zahtevala preiskavo njegove smrti, so se ji vse poklicne poti v Rusiji nenadoma zaprle; zato in zaradi osebne varnosti se je bila prisiljena iz Rusije izseliti.
Spet čečeni krivi?
zmaugy ::
Daj ne fantaziraj, Američani so šli v vojno v Evropi, ki ni bila njihova stvar in bistveno spremenili potek in posledice vojne. Predtem so eni strani dobavljali orožje.
Nato so intervenirali v vojni, ki je bila posledica njihovega vmešavanja in zdaj se že 70 let tolčejo po prsih za to. Pa seveda je bila v teku tega Evropa dvakrat uničena, drugič tudi fizično.
Hvala ZDA. Pejte pomagat kam drugam.
Veš, če ena izmed strank v vojni začne snubiti tvojega soseda za vojno proti tebi počasi zadeva postane tvoja stvar. Najbrž ne boš razumel. To samo pomeni, da nisi kompetenten za tako kompleksna vprašanja.
O ježešna, kompleksna vprašanja, da ne boš počil od napihnjenosti.
"The Zimmermann Telegram (or Zimmermann Note or Zimmerman Cable) was a secret diplomatic communication issued from the German Foreign Office in January 1917 in the prior event of the United States entering World War I against Germany that proposed a military alliance between Germany and Mexico ."
Zimmermann Telegram @ Wikipedia
"Germany financed the Central Powers. Britain financed the Allies until 1916, when it ran out of money and had to borrow from the United States."
Economic history of World War I @ Wikipedia
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zmaugy ::
In kaj so ZDPA delale v času prve svetovne vojne na svojih južnih mejah?
"Relationship with the United States
Mexican neutrality in the Great War reflected a hostility toward the U.S., due to several earlier U.S. interventions in Mexican internal affairs.[5] In February 1913, Victoriano Huerta had conspired with the U.S. ambassador Henry Lane Wilson to oust Francisco I. Madero from the presidency of Mexico. The coup d'état was the culmination of violence in Mexico City, known as the Ten Tragic Days (La decena trágica), in the waning days of the William Howard Taft presidency. President Woodrow Wilson also ordered the invasion of Veracruz in 1914, resulting in the death of 170 Mexican soldiers and an unknown number of civilians.[6][7]
The relationship between Woodrow Wilson and Venustiano Carranza, whose political position had been aided by U.S. recognition in October 1915, allowing U.S. arms sales to Carranza's faction against its main rival General Pancho Villa, was initially cordial. Villa retaliated against the United States, attacking Columbus, New Mexico in 1916. Wilson sent U.S. Army General John J. Pershing into Mexico for punitive action to capture Villa. The Pancho Villa Expedition was a failure, since Villa eluded U.S. forces. Carranza, a strong nationalist, asserted Mexico's sovereignty and ordered the U.S. Army out. U.S. interests were threatened by the proclamation of the Mexican Constitution of 1917 and Mexico was in constant threat of being invaded by the U.S."
Mexico in World War I @ Wikipedia
Pacifisti eni ZDPA, ane? Skoraj Flower Power.
"Relationship with the United States
Mexican neutrality in the Great War reflected a hostility toward the U.S., due to several earlier U.S. interventions in Mexican internal affairs.[5] In February 1913, Victoriano Huerta had conspired with the U.S. ambassador Henry Lane Wilson to oust Francisco I. Madero from the presidency of Mexico. The coup d'état was the culmination of violence in Mexico City, known as the Ten Tragic Days (La decena trágica), in the waning days of the William Howard Taft presidency. President Woodrow Wilson also ordered the invasion of Veracruz in 1914, resulting in the death of 170 Mexican soldiers and an unknown number of civilians.[6][7]
The relationship between Woodrow Wilson and Venustiano Carranza, whose political position had been aided by U.S. recognition in October 1915, allowing U.S. arms sales to Carranza's faction against its main rival General Pancho Villa, was initially cordial. Villa retaliated against the United States, attacking Columbus, New Mexico in 1916. Wilson sent U.S. Army General John J. Pershing into Mexico for punitive action to capture Villa. The Pancho Villa Expedition was a failure, since Villa eluded U.S. forces. Carranza, a strong nationalist, asserted Mexico's sovereignty and ordered the U.S. Army out. U.S. interests were threatened by the proclamation of the Mexican Constitution of 1917 and Mexico was in constant threat of being invaded by the U.S."
Mexico in World War I @ Wikipedia
Pacifisti eni ZDPA, ane? Skoraj Flower Power.
Smrekar1 ::
"Germany financed the Central Powers. Britain financed the Allies until 1916, when it ran out of money and had to borrow from the United States."
Economic history of World War I @ Wikipedia
Daj, bodi toliko dober in citiraj še naslednjo poved. Dodaj še datum vstopa ZDA v vojno, boš zmogel?
zmaugy ::
Ni problema:
"The U.S. took over the financing of the Allies in 1917 with loans that it insisted be repaid after the war."
Poglejmo še, kaj je Lusitanija švercala iz ZDPA v UK leta 1915:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-lu...
Seveda so ZDPA zahtevale, da naj nemške podmornice ne napadajo ladij z razstrelivom, s katerim so potem Britanci obstreljevali nemške vojake na fronti. What a fucking joke!
"The U.S. took over the financing of the Allies in 1917 with loans that it insisted be repaid after the war."
Poglejmo še, kaj je Lusitanija švercala iz ZDPA v UK leta 1915:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-lu...
Seveda so ZDPA zahtevale, da naj nemške podmornice ne napadajo ladij z razstrelivom, s katerim so potem Britanci obstreljevali nemške vojake na fronti. What a fucking joke!
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Smrekar1 ::
Pac-Man ::
1. Svetovalci za nacionalno varnost so dali par napotkov za klic s Putinom.
2. Trump reče "fak u".
3. Svetovalci gredo jokat na WaPo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics...
President Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers Tuesday when he congratulated Russian President Vladimir Putin on his reelection — including a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE,” according to officials familiar with the call.
Trump also chose not to heed talking points from aides instructing him to condemn the recent poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain with a powerful nerve agent, a case that both the British and U.S. governments have blamed on Moscow.
...
Ahead of Tuesday’s phone call, national security aides provided Trump with several handwritten notecards filled with talking points to guide his conversation, as is customary for calls with foreign leaders, according to the officials with knowledge of the call, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.
...
Thomas Wright, director of the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution, said Trump’s actions were “a sign he wants a pro-Russia foreign policy,” which conflicts with the harder line from his administration.
“Everyone is trying to figure out what does this mean,” Wright said. “Russia hawks say, ‘Pay attention to us, but not to the president or to the tweets.’ But the reality is, his reaction is policy. The fact that there hasn’t been a stronger sanctions response to the poisoning so far is policy.”
2. Trump reče "fak u".
3. Svetovalci gredo jokat na WaPo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics...
President Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers Tuesday when he congratulated Russian President Vladimir Putin on his reelection — including a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE,” according to officials familiar with the call.
Trump also chose not to heed talking points from aides instructing him to condemn the recent poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain with a powerful nerve agent, a case that both the British and U.S. governments have blamed on Moscow.
...
Ahead of Tuesday’s phone call, national security aides provided Trump with several handwritten notecards filled with talking points to guide his conversation, as is customary for calls with foreign leaders, according to the officials with knowledge of the call, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.
...
Thomas Wright, director of the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution, said Trump’s actions were “a sign he wants a pro-Russia foreign policy,” which conflicts with the harder line from his administration.
“Everyone is trying to figure out what does this mean,” Wright said. “Russia hawks say, ‘Pay attention to us, but not to the president or to the tweets.’ But the reality is, his reaction is policy. The fact that there hasn’t been a stronger sanctions response to the poisoning so far is policy.”
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.
zmaugy ::
Ni problema:
"The U.S. took over the financing of the Allies in 1917 with loans that it insisted be repaid after the war."
Povedano drugače, ZDA so začele financirati zavezniške sile šele ko so vstopile v vojno.
Orožje, ki so ga švercali v UK na ladjah kot je bila Lusitanija, se je plačevalo avansno? S tem da ne veva natančno kaj se je zgodilo prej, ane? Financiranje ali telegram, ker 1917 je od 1.1.1917. Ampak ne bom zapenjal na tej točki...
In zato, ker so ZDPA švercale orožje v UK, so se Nemci odločili, da bojo začeli potapljati ladje, za katere so sumili da so švercerske, kar je zelo motilo ZDPA, zaradi česar so Nemci preventivno predlagali Mehiki zavezništvo za primer, če ZDPA vstopijo v vojno na strani Antante, so ZDPA vstopile v vojno?
To bi lahko elegantno rešili - ne bi švercali orožja Antanti in bi vse to odpadlo.
Saj je jasno, kdaj so se ZDPA odločile, da vstopijo v vojno in na kateri strani, ane? Takrat ko so se odločili da bojo dobavljali orožje Antanti. Potem so rabili samo še povod ali dva da se pridružijo tudi uradno.
Torej: WTF so Američani delali v Evropi leta 1917?
PS: Upam da ni preveč kompleksno...
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MadMicka ::
zmaugy, wtf tebi ni jasno? UK in Francija je rabila zaveznike in ZDA so stopili na njihovo stran. Tako kot npr. Turčija na stran Nemcev. Mislim, wtf, o čem ti to govoriš?
zmaugy ::
zmaugy, wtf tebi ni jasno? UK in Francija je rabila zaveznike in ZDA so stopili na njihovo stran. Tako kot npr. Turčija na stran Nemcev. Mislim, wtf, o čem ti to govoriš?
Če ne slediš debati, se ne vtikaj vanjo. V tej konkretni debati se je Samuel v imenu Američanov trkal po prsih za to, ker so Američani leta 1944 prišli v Normandijo, pozabil pa na to, da so s svojim početjem v prvi svetovni vojni ogromno prispevali, da je do druge svetovne vojne sploh prišlo in torej se nimajo s čim hvalit.
Pa glede na to, da so v tvoji glavi bili Nemci bad guys že v prvi svetovni vojni (čeprav v tisti vojni o takšnih delitvah ni bilo ravno govora in so bili prej bad guys Angleži), tisti tvoj wtf naslovi kar sam nase...
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t687918/p586...
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Samuel ::
zmaugy, wtf tebi ni jasno? UK in Francija je rabila zaveznike in ZDA so stopili na njihovo stran. Tako kot npr. Turčija na stran Nemcev. Mislim, wtf, o čem ti to govoriš?
Če ne slediš debati, se ne vtikaj vanjo. V tej konkretni debati se je Samuel v imenu Američanov trkal po prsih za to, ker so Američani leta 1944 prišli v Normandijo, pozabil pa na to, da so s svojim početjem v prvi svetovni vojni ogromno prispevali, da je do druge svetovne vojne sploh prišlo in torej se nimajo s čim hvalit.
Pa glede na to, da so v tvoji glavi bili Nemci bad guys že v prvi svetovni vojni (čeprav v tisti vojni o takšnih delitvah ni bilo ravno govora in so bili prej bad guys Angleži), tisti tvoj wtf naslovi kar sam nase...
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t687918/p586...
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zmaugy ::
Ups, ne Samuel ampak Smrekar1. Oba na S, oba ZDPA fanboya, se zgodi da se vaju zamenja. Morda oba v isti sobi?
V glavnem, tole je post:
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t687918/p586...
V glavnem, tole je post:
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t687918/p586...
Samuel ::
Ups, ne Samuel ampak Smrekar1. Oba na S, oba ZDPA fanboya, se zgodi da se vaju zamenja. Morda oba v isti sobi?
V glavnem, tole je post:
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t687918/p586...
ZDPA je kaj?
Nemčija je ZDA napovedala vojno. Zaradi tega so prišli v Evropo prvenstveno.
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Truga ::
haha, zda je prisla v evropo sele ko so videli da bojo sovjeti zmagali vojno kar sami, pa so se ustrasli da bo ratala vsa evropa komunisticna.
zmaugy ::
In kaj točno je bilo pozitivnega v izidu prve svetovne vojne? Mislim razen profita ZDPA na račun klanja v Evropi?
zmaugy ::
Čakam na odgovor. V čem je sta bili Nemčija in Avstroogrska slabi in Anglija in Francija dobri sili?
Pa vzdrži se hamburger primitivizma.
Pa vzdrži se hamburger primitivizma.
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Fritz ::
NATO-Rusija?
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein
Smrekar1 ::
Orožje, ki so ga švercali v UK na ladjah kot je bila Lusitanija, se je plačevalo avansno? S tem da ne veva natančno kaj se je zgodilo prej, ane? Financiranje ali telegram, ker 1917 je od 1.1.1917. Ampak ne bom zapenjal na tej točki...
Reciva takole, edini argument, ki bi ga financiranje vojne s krediti iz ZDA lahko prineslo je, da so se ZDA zbale za zdravje svojih kreditojemalcev in so se vmešale v vojno zato, da bi zavarovale svoje kredite. Če bi to bilo res bi morali krediti ZDA priti bistveno prej kot vstop ZDA v vojno. V najboljšem primeru imaš na voljo 95 dni od tega ko začnejo nuditi kredite do tega ko se za njih ustrašijo in gredo kar v vojno.
Trditev je absurdna. Nehaj se smešiti.
Torej: WTF so Američani delali v Evropi leta 1917?
Približno isto kot leta 1944. Zanimivo, da se nad tistim ne pritožuje nihče, ki bi imel lase.
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