Mars One Project

Slovenec Matej med 100 kandidati za nepovratno pot na Mars
http://www.24ur.com/novice/svet/slovene...


100 finalists have been chosen for a one-way trip to Mars
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/sty...







2011
Foundations of mission plan laid In 2011 Bas Lansdorp and Arno Wielders lay the foundation of the Mars One mission plan. Discussion meetings are held with potential suppliers of aerospace components in USA, Canada, Italy and United Kingdom. Mission architecture, budgets and timelines are solidified from feedback of supplier engineers and business developers. A baseline design for a mission of permanent human settlement on Mars achievable with existing technology is the result.



2013
Astronaut selection is launched worldwide In April 2013, the Astronaut Selection Program is launched at press conferences in New York and Shanghai. Round 1 is an online application open to all nationalities. The selection program proceeds with three additional rounds over the course of two years. At the end of it around six teams of four individuals are selected for training. A new batch of the Astronaut Selection Program begins every year to replenish the training pool regularly. An analogue of the Mars habitat is to be constructed on Earth for technology testing and training purposes.



2015
Selected candidates enter full-time training Groups selected from the first batch of applicants begin training. This training will continue until the launch in 2024. The group's ability to deal with prolonged periods of time in a remote location is the most important part of their training. They learn to repair components of the habitat and rover, train in medical procedures and learn to grow their own food in the habitat. Every group spends several months of each training year in the analogue outpost to prepare for their mission to Mars. The first outpost simulation, a Mars-like terrain that is relatively easy to reach will be chosen. A second training outpost will be located at a more remote environment like the Arctic desert.


2018
Launch of Mars-bound Demonstration Mission and Communication Satellite A Demonstration Mission is launched to Mars in 2018; it provides proof of concept for some of the technologies that are important for a human mission. A Communication Satellite is also launched that is placed into a Mars stationary orbit. It enables 24/7 communication between the two planets. It can relay images, videos and other data from the Mars surface. Read more about the 2018 mission in Mars One's crowdfunding campaign.




2020
Rover and a Communication Satellite are launched One intelligent Rover and one Trailer are launched. The Rover can use the Trailer to transport the Landers to the outpost location. On Mars, the Rover drives around the chosen region to find the best location for the settlement. An ideal location for the settlement is far enough North for the soil to contain enough water, equatorial enough for maximum solar power and flat enough to facilitate construction of the settlement. When the settlement location is determined, the Rover prepares the surface for arrival of the Cargo missions. It also clears large areas where solar panels will lie. A second Communications Satellite is launched into orbit around the Sun. It takes the same orbit as the Earth but trails 60 degrees behind it in L5 Lagrangian point of the Sun-Earth system. Together with the ComSat around Mars it enables 24/7 communication with Mars, even when the sun is in between the two planets.



2022
Six Cargo missions are launched A second Rover, two Living Units, two Life Support Systems, and a Supply Unit are sent to Mars in 2022. In 2023 all units land on Mars using a Rover signal as a beacon.




2023
Rover sets up the outpost before the arrival of humans The six Cargo units land on Mars, up to 10 km away from the outpost. The Rover picks up the first Life Support unit using the trailer. It places the Life Support unit in the right place and deploys the thin film Solar Panel of the Life Support unit. The Rover can now connect to the Life Support unit to recharge its batteries much faster than using only its own panels, allowing it to do much more work. The Rover picks up all the other Cargo units and then deploys the thin film Solar Panel of the second Life Support unit and the Inflatable sections of the living units. The Life Support unit is connected to the Living Units by a hose that can transport water, air and electricity. The Life Support System (LSS) is now activated. The rover feeds Martian soil into the LSS. Water is extracted from the Martian soil by evaporating the subsurface ice particles in an oven. The evaporated water is condensed back to its liquid state and stored. Part of the water is used for producing Oxygen. Nitrogen and Argon, filtered from the Martian atmosphere make up the other components of the breathable air inside the habitat. Before the first crew starts their journey, the life support system has produced a breathable atmosphere of 0.7 bar pressure, 3000 liters of water and 120 kg of Oxygen that is in storage. The Rover also deposits Martian soil on top of the inflatable sections of the habitat for Radiation Shielding.




2024
The first humans to land on Mars start their journey from Earth In 2024, the components of the Mars Transit Vehicle are launched to Earth orbit on receiving the green light on the status of the systems on Mars. First, a Transit Habitat and a Mars Lander with an assembly crew on-board are launched into an orbit around the Earth. The assembly crew docks the Mars Lander to the Transit Habitat. Two propellant stages are launched a month later and are also connected. The first Mars crew, now fully trained, is launched into the same Earth orbit. In orbit the Mars One crew switches places with the Assembly Crew, who descend back to Earth. After a final check of systems on Mars and of the Transit Vehicle, engines of the Propellant Stages are fired and the Transit Vehicle is launched on a Mars Transit Trajectory. This is the point of no return for the Mars crew. The Cargo for the second crew is launched to Mars in the same month of the launch of the first Mars settlers.





2025
First humans land on Mars About 24 hours before landing, the crew move from the Transit Habitat into the landing module, bringing some of the supplies from the Transit Habitat. The landing module detaches from the Transit habitat, which is too large to land on Mars. The Transit habitat is discarded and stays in orbit around the sun. The Lander is exactly the same as those used for previous unmanned missions. This ensures the human crew land in a system that has been tested eight times. Upon landing, the crew takes up to 48 hours to recover from experiencing gravity again after spending a long time in space. In their Mars suits they leave the Lander and are picked up by the Rover. They enter the settlement through the airlock in one of the Living units and spend the next few days recovering and settling in the new environment. After their acclimatisation period, the settlers deploy the rest of the Solar Panels. They install the hallways between the Landers and set up Food Production units. The Cargo for the second crew lands within a few weeks after the first crew lands; it is picked up and installed, adding to the redundancy in the settlement. Redundancy is extremely important because, unlike the crew aboard the International Space Station, the Mars One crew can't abandon their mission in case of an emergency. When the first crew lands they find the habitat with a good level of redundancy already: two Living units-- each large enough to house the crew of four and two Life Support units--each capable of providing enough water, power and breathable air for the entire crew. When the hardware for the second crew is incorporated to the settlement, it features four Living units and four Life Support units, enough to sustain a crew of 16 astronauts.




2026
Settlement expands with departure of Crew Two The second crew departs from Earth in 2026. With the second crew, the Cargo for the third crew is also launched. The second crew lands On Mars in 2027. They are welcomed by the first crew, who has already prepared their living quarters. The hardware for crew three will land a few weeks later and will be added to the settlement. This process continues as additional crews land every two years.



Več tukaj: Mars One : http://www.mars-one.com/





Mislite, da bo kaj iz tega?

Hiperaktiven plesalec v ožjem krogu za pot na Mars. Se mi zdi, da bolj iščejo kandidate za nek reality show.

Prvo jih bodo uspavali za 7 mescev potem pa jih zbudili in jim rekli da so na marsu , v resnico bodo studiu in snemali resničnostni šov iz marsa .....

to je nateg, ker nimamo pravih tehnologij za to potovanje in ti ljudje bodo kvečjemu poslani v smrt, kjer jih bo celo potovanje bombardiralo sevanje in breztežnost.

ko bodo pristali na marsu bodo:
- slepi
- brez kostne mase
- polni tumorjev in ostalih rakavih zadev
- psihično uničeni (depresije, izolacija, življenje z neko skupino ljudi, ki se jih nažreš in se na koncu odrola človeku)

Potem pa bodo morali še postaviti postojanko in nato živeti v tem, če bo jim sploh to uspelo, dokler se en astronavt ne bi zlomil in bi odločil, da bo vse poslal k vragu in uničil bazo.

Osvajanje Marsa na tak način je bedarija, namesto tega naj raje ljudje investirajo v razvoj energije, kopanje rudnin globoko pod morjem in kolonizacijo oceanov ter antarktike.

Bodo sinergijski učinkih teh naložb veliko večji, kot pa da zapraviš milijarde za enosmerno potovanje v smrt na Mars, kjer bo dodana vrednost majhna.

Jaz osvajanje Marsa vidim drugače, da pošlješ robotske odprave, ki bodo Mars preučevale in postavile postojanke, v tem vmesnem času pa pač počakamo da se vzpostavi infrastruktura inse nato pošlje raketo s človeško odpravo, ki bo prišla do sestavljene baze.

Prej je tudi rešiti probleme z energijo in izboljšanjem življenja za prebivalstvo, ki tega nima v Afriki in Aziji. Najboljše je, če dvigneš iz revščino več milijard ljudi in imaš tako na voljo več človeškega kapitala, ki ti prinese nove rešitve in inovacije, kar prinese še večje koristi za celotno človeštvo in odprave v vesolje.

S tem, da priznavajo da ni povratka, se mi zdi sumljivo verjetno vse skup.

Dokler se projektu ne bo pridružil kakšen Space X, so možnosti za izpeljavo precej pičle. Poleg tega bi bilo po mojem pametno vso mars tehnologijo prej testirati na luni, ki ni spet toliko drugačna od marsa.

Tehnologija ni problem(no je velik zalogaj, ampak to se porihta), dejansko je problem samo denar, torej uspeh je odvisen od sponzorjev.

Težko bodo zbrali toliko denarja.

@Azgard

jaz pa katastrofo, ki jo bodo še mnoga desetletja opevali, kot svarilno zgodbo, kako nepristopiti k potovanju na tuje planete, kjer so pogoji veliko, veliko slabši od Antarktike.

Pa bolj verjetno je, da bo ta mars one projekt padel, še preden bodo lansirali, denar zbran od prijavnin in sponzorjev pa bo poniknil v žepe tistih, ki so to štartali.

hm, a Živali pa rastline oz.semena bodo tudi zraven peljali?

Malajlo je 17. feb 2015 ob 17:01 izjavil:

Čist isto k luna.

Podobno kot zemlja. Kar tle naj jih pustijo, saj je isto, pa ceneje. Podpiram take projekte, zblojeni kot se zdijo, da so. Tipično za pionirje, da rinejo v neznano in da jih tja pride procent ali dva. Nič hudega, saj vejo, v kaj se spuščajo.

Hm narediti kolonijo na Luni..... mislim da je to dosti bolj realno možno kot pa Mars.

Ampak ja.. PR. Na Luni je že bilo nekaj ljudi, na Marsu pa še nobeden.

Šimpanz je 18. feb 2015 ob 11:55 izjavil:

Jim pa priznam da bi reality show dosegel orjaško gledanost, če bi ljudeke res strpali v raketo, ki bi poletela, kaj šele ko bi modeli umirali na Marsu, al pa ko bi se komu utrgalo in bi lovil in pobijal kolege po Marsu, medtem ko bi kamere vse to snemale.

Mene recimo zanima, kdo bi koga ubil, ker bi se mu zmešalo in kdo bi zadnji umrel. Takšnega reality showa še ni bilo.

Jaz mislim, da jim bo ratalo posneti show v simulaciji postojanke na Zemlji, kar imajo v programu že to leto. Resničnostni šov pač.
Za vse drugo bi rekel da ne bo denarja.

Sicer pa glede na opis tehnologije bi jim z dovolj denarja verjetno ratalo spravit nekaj modulov do tja, vprašanje pa, kako bi šlo naprej.
Že tisto, ko robotski rover vozi na prikolici pristajalne module na kup, mi je malce naivno. OK vodo se nekako da izcuzat iz zemlje, ampak potem narediti dovolj kisika, potegniti dušik iz atmosfere, to je že vprašanje pri taki površini sončnih celic kot jo predvidevajo. Pa recimo, da jim to še rata skup spravit, pa folk do tja, problem bi bil s hrano. Rastlinjaki - pride kakšna bolezen, propade večina rastlin, pa je konec. Bi rekel da bi moralo biti več backupa, kot ga predvidevajo. Predvsem veliko več površine sončnih celic in veliko več hermetično ločenih rastlinjakov. Za tak podvig samo 2x backup ni zadosti, če hočeš zagotoviti veliko možnost preživetja, bi morali ciljati po mojem vsaj na 10x backup.

Teroretično bi sicer šlo, svetlobe je dosti, hidroponika deluje. Z dovolj električne energije se da narediti praktično vse, vključno z vodo, kisikom, hrano in gorivom.

bambam20 je 19. feb 2015 ob 10:22 izjavil:

Šimpanz je 18. feb 2015 ob 11:55 izjavil:

Jim pa priznam da bi reality show dosegel orjaško gledanost, če bi ljudeke res strpali v raketo, ki bi poletela, kaj šele ko bi modeli umirali na Marsu, al pa ko bi se komu utrgalo in bi lovil in pobijal kolege po Marsu, medtem ko bi kamere vse to snemale.

Mene recimo zanima, kdo bi koga ubil, ker bi se mu zmešalo in kdo bi zadnji umrel. Takšnega reality showa še ni bilo.

Seveda. Še na vseh si lahko odšel. Na Marsu bolj težko.

Sej bi vedeli. Itak jih bk its a one way trip.

mars je precej oddaljen od sonca in ze uporaba soncnih celic za poganjanje roverjev je problematicna (zadnji rover curiosity deluje na jedrsko gorivo). slaba intenzivnost sonca bi najbrz precej vplivala tudi na rastline. potreben bi bil rastlinjak z umetno osvetlitvijo kar pa spet pomeni odvisnost od nekega zunanjega vira energije.

Najprej na mars pošlješ robote, da postavijo rastlinjak, in noter posadijo drevesa in vse živo, tako na daljavo zgradiš, celo kolonijo, nato gor naseliš živali, in ko vidiš da vse funkcionira, pošleš še človeka.

Kar je smiselno z vesoljem počet naslednjih 20-30 let je:

1. Razvijati in izdelati vedno večje teleskope, tako zemeljske kot zunajzemeljske.

Ene par takih bi blo kul met. Pa so plani še za večje.

2. Poslat napredne robotske odprave na Mars v raziskovalne namene.

3. Vzpostavitev solidnih geolokacijskih sistemov in globalnega interneta.

4. Počistiti čimveč smeti iz zemeljske orbite.

vostok_1 je 19. feb 2015 ob 23:30 izjavil:

Kar je smiselno z vesoljem počet naslednjih 20-30 let je:

1. Razvijati in izdelati vedno večje teleskope, tako zemeljske kot zunajzemeljske.

Ene par takih bi blo kul met. Pa so plani še za večje.

2. Poslat napredne robotske odprave na Mars v raziskovalne namene.

3. Vzpostavitev solidnih geolokacijskih sistemov in globalnega interneta.

4. Počistiti čimveč smeti iz zemeljske orbite.

Tu ni nobenega profita.

mojsterleo je 19. feb 2015 ob 19:07 izjavil:

mars je precej oddaljen od sonca in ze uporaba soncnih celic za poganjanje roverjev je problematicna (zadnji rover curiosity deluje na jedrsko gorivo). slaba intenzivnost sonca bi najbrz precej vplivala tudi na rastline. potreben bi bil rastlinjak z umetno osvetlitvijo kar pa spet pomeni odvisnost od nekega zunanjega vira energije.

Ni problematična uporaba sončnih celic, če imaš tam ljudi z metlami. Roverji imajo problem zaradi prahu na celicah, ki ga sami ne morejo spucat.
Poleg tega je Marsova atmosfera precej bolj prepustna kot Zemljina, tako da na koncu ni tako grozne razlike.
Večino časa je tudi jasno vreme. Problem bi bil kakšen dolgotrajen peščeni vihar. Ja, dobro bi bilo imeti en konkreten baterijski paket, če ne RTG.

vostok_1 je 20. feb 2015 ob 10:50 izjavil:

PrihajaNodi je 20. feb 2015 ob 05:36 izjavil:

vostok_1 je 19. feb 2015 ob 23:30 izjavil:

Kar je smiselno z vesoljem počet naslednjih 20-30 let je:

1. Razvijati in izdelati vedno večje teleskope, tako zemeljske kot zunajzemeljske.

Ene par takih bi blo kul met. Pa so plani še za večje.

2. Poslat napredne robotske odprave na Mars v raziskovalne namene.

3. Vzpostavitev solidnih geolokacijskih sistemov in globalnega interneta.

4. Počistiti čimveč smeti iz zemeljske orbite.

Tu ni nobenega profita.

V naslednjih 20-30 letih profita od vesolja sploh ne bo in ne gre pričakovati.

Zakaj potem izvajati nekaj cesar ne prinasa profita? Vesolje bi se lahko osvojilo ce bi podjetja zdruzila znanje in vlozke, tako je pa vse napol. Vsako podjetje bi bilo rado prvo a za kaj konkretnega se Google nevem ce ima dovolj. Logika kapitalizma
Tako se raje vlaga v drone, balone za preos interneta... Po taksni metodiki bomo kar lepo doma na zemlji.

Tehnologija za ekonomsko upravičeno kopanje asteroidnega pasu bo prišla šele enkrat po 2050.

Pajade. Kolikor vem uporabljamo še vedno rocket propellant za skok v vesolje. Smo še zelo, zelo zadaj, kljub temu da mislimo da smo z "droni" zelo naprej.

Bomo pa videli kako bo z AI -jem.

Kaj so že rešli problem radiacije pri prehodu Van-Allen-ovih pasov na poti iz zemlje? ...

"LOL. Pa ni ti to startrek. These guys have no idea."...

"V resnici sumim, da gre zgolj za nateg."...

"to je nateg, ker nimamo pravih tehnologij za to potovanje" ...

"Bo pa zagotovo nekdo zaslužil na tej pravljici."...

"Ampak jaz gotovo ne bi lezel gor..."...

"jaz pa katastrofo, ki jo bodo še mnoga desetletja opevali, kot svarilno zgodbo"...

"Skratka večja verjetnost je da se bom jaz sončil na soncu čez 10 let"...

...koliko takih komentarjev in izrečenih besed od vsevedov mislite da so slišali in prebrali Amerigo Vespucci, Krištof Kolumb, Ferdinand Magellan, Vasco da Gama, Sir Edmund Hillary, Tenzing Norgay, Ernest Shackleton, Jacques Cousteau, Wilbur and Orville Wright, Nellie Bly, Louise Boyd, itd.... preden so se podali v lesenih "konstrukcijah" v neznano...?