Prva demonstracija "hladne" fuzije ?

Frekvenca X: Sanje o hladni fuziji - David Nagel

ker bedn intervju

nic kaj ekstra nisem zvedu, to kar ze vem

ampak na žalost jim nekako tega ni uspelo ponoviti...

pravzaprav jim je že leta 1989 na MITu,samo ti tega ne veš...

jaja.. kr fajn se mejte.. zguba cajta je praganjanje z vami...

ta post je en skupek iz konteksta vzetih izjav nepreverjenih virov in nasplošno en kup enega kvakanja (po večini že zelo starega)...

recimo:
"Rossi has five criminal convictions including two jail terms for the 'sheik of Brianza'. Rossi was a fraud."
dejstvo: "Rossi je bil na koncu oproščen vseh obtožb."

recimo ta zadnja:
""Swedish investment in E-cat halted after test"
Izvorna novica: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_m...
"A group of Swedish private individuals since the summer preparing an investment in the controversial energy invention E-cat. Now halted investment because the technology did not work in a test last week.
no heat energy is found beyond the input electrical power.
Investor Group had instructed the SP Technical Research Institute of Sweden , to monitor the measurement, and the researchers who attended measuring an input electrical power that was two to three times higher than Rossi himself measured. The measurement used the SP called True RMS instruments."

odgovor:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.c...

zakaj bi pa nekdo verjel enemu Hydofusionu??? LOL ...

and so on and so on...

glavno je to, da ti gruntfürmich lahko razpadeš na prafaktorje, pa razvoja LENR ne bopš ustavil.

Razvoj, kateri je primerljiv z alkimisti pri transformaciji zlata iz svinca v srednjem veku, tudi takrat je nekaterim "uspelo", no ja, saj ti novodobni so zelo podobni, tudi ti so študirali podobno literaturo in so rezultati zato primerljivi. Protona na pozitivno jedro atoma ne moreš lepiti kar tako na hladno, potrebna je določena energija in ta je precej večja od tega kar poizkušajo.

A ni zanimivo, kako so najmanj znanstveno podkovani, vedo več kot vsi znanstveniki. Pri takih debatah vedno eni filozofi začnejo bit pametni, vsi ostali, ki so pa kaj tehničnega študirali v življenju, so pa na strani 'zlobnih' korporacij.

Točno se ve kako te stvari tečejo, izotope je precej lahko narediti, saj lepiš nevtralne nevtrone na jedro, katerih jedro ne odbija, če pa hočeš prilepiti proton, je pa zadeva precej drugačna, potrebno je premagati odbojno silo in zato se točno ve kolikšna je, nobenega protona ne boš prilepil pri hladnih pogojih na jedro.

dzinks63: ne ne, oni so tolk pametni, da znajo pretentat proton in zato dobijo viška energijo. Samo pokazat nikoli ne znajo tega viška, ko pride do konkretne prezentacije...

Loocas res nima smisla nabijat nam, probaj kak drug forum.

še za fotosintezo ne vemo, kako točno deluje,

Kdo ti je pa to povedal?, preveč se giblješ v nekih čudnih krogih. Začneš lahko s tem in potem nadgrajuješ, je dokaj nazorno prikazano kako in kaj.

ne slediš novostim ter brdom dokazom

To brdo dokazov je že skoraj tako visoko kot bosanska piramida.

še za fotosintezo ne vemo, kako točno deluje, pa vseeno funkcionira.. očitno

Ampak ne krši nobenega od osnovnih fizikalnih zakonov.

O.

Torej, katere vrste perpetuum mobila je tole Rossijevo čudo?

precej bolj hladne vrste kot Sonce... to se hecaš ane? mislim glede perpetuum mobile...

ne, tega pri LENR nihče nikoli ni trdil.. očitno imaš probleme z definicijo output > input

zdaj nekako štekam, zakaj imajo na tem forumu družbenosocialne teme tudi po več kot 100 strani, tehnološke/znanstvene pa samo nekaj oziroma nič...

ne, novejše znastevene teme nimajo praktično nič strani.. to si malo pomešal z tehničnimi temami... poleg tega jih praktično nič ni.

ohoho.. Vikking... kdo piše, da so imeli 7M € za vložit? Dokument? Dokaz?? Nič od tega.

Odgovor Rossija:
Dear Wladimir Guglinski:
As everybody saw, I stayed away from all this mumbojumbo of the Swedish technician that made measurements, but at this point I want to make the following necessary precisations ( too much is too much):
1- these measurements have been made upon the Hot Cat for few hours and have been very inconclusive. As I repeated hundreds of times, we are making throughly measurements and analysis on the Hot Cat since months, with indipendent third parties. We will finish within November, and then we will publish the final results, and only those results will be precise, because final, because made indipendently from a third party and because made upon a final version of the Hot Cat, ready for the industrialization after all the modifications made during all these tests.
2- the measurement have raised many perplexities when we tested the instrumentation used by means of a bulb lamp of 60 Watts ( brand new): our instrumentation measured correctly 60 Watts ( 59.7), their measured 200 Watts. Odd, but during a measurement everything can happen. This is why we must make many months of measurements before being sure of the results.
3- the fact that 60 millions of investments have been retrieved because of this test is ridiculous. We were in contact with those guys who wanted to buy shares of our company ( for an infinitely smaller sum), but the deal was very, very far from a conclusion, because we didn't yet agree upon key factors, like business plan, budget etc . We were in discussion. They retrieved nothing, because no agreement they had reached with us.
4- under NDA they asked to come to us to measure the electric power consumption. I had nothing in contrary, one more measure would be useful, and said yes. They came here, and after few hours, when the reactor didn't yet reach the right power, decided that for them the test was finished.
5- with full respect for the NDA they gave to a magazine information which by the way was not true ( see point 3) and forgot to mention the fact that a lamp of 60 Watts resulted to consume 200 Watts ( they said it was because the lamp was more luminescent than normal, but when we plugged it to a wall plug the luminosity was the same- witnesses available).
6- after some day I received a written message ( conserved) in which I was invited to explain particulars regarding the charge, in a suggestive way to help to slow down the attack from them
7- I simply ignored the whole, for a very simple reason: the Hot Cat does not depend from the four hours they stayed in our factory, it depends from the thousand hours we are spending measuring the prototype in operation. I confirm that the measurements we are making are very impressive, and after the experience with the technician above mentioned we are using more and more sophisticated instrumentation, that will be described in the final report made by the third party that is making the tests, but the results are extremely good (so far, and I underline SO FAR).
8- I want to repeat another time that our measurements on the Hot Cat are not finished, that we cannot yet talk of a product, until the analysis will not be completed; I also said this in Zurich ( 400 witnesses).
9- In these months of tests we have modified substantially the reactor and now we have reached results that we will see together soon. Also remember one very basic thing: the final verdict will arrive from our Customers, when also the Hot Cat will be ready for the market .
In this period, while we are working in our factories across the Atlantic Ocean 16 hours per day and during which thanks to our technlogy we are making jobs, investments and products that will give something useful to the world, we have to stand a Niagara falls of chatters and stupidities, but we have not time to answer. This is why I let the chatters go free around... but too much is too much.

Oprosti, vendar stvar postane komična, ko človek izvaja meritve z žarnico.

Res je komična, ko ti pride neki švedski tehnik in ne zna niti tega zmerit.. se strinjam..

In one test, the 15,000 watt optimal output was realized using only 80 watts of input energy.

point??

bluefish je 28. sep 2012 ob 19:06 izjavil:

Output > Input.

Kaj? Input ti je tudi materija, ki nastopa v reakciji E=mc2 ... polnitev, v tem primeru nikelj ter vodik je treba dovajat in se pri reakciji porablja.

dafak ti moram to razlagat?

Pri LENR ni nikoli nihče govoril o Perpetuum mobile.. nikoli.. razen tisti, ki ne veste baš ništa o tej stvari

Tale rosi bo na konc al genij in herjo al pa norc. Zaenkrat je le norc.

Kruta usoda je kruta.

Vikking.. malo pokroviteljkega mumbojumbota, ane?
Očija niti nimam več.. je umrl.. za mamico sem moral pa nekaj časa jaz skrbet.. ampak.. saj ni prvič, da se motiš.

Največji hec je pa ko pravi kako nima časa.

Ne, nima časa delat nonstop predstavitve publiki...predstavitve in testi se delajo zainteresiranim investitorjem, ki seveda pred invisticijo pošljejo svoj tehnični folk zadevo preverit (če imajo sploh resen namen glede investicije in ne samo zaradi industrijske špijonaže), ker tako ali tako obstaja določen del skeptikov, ki ne bodo nikoli zadovoljni s še tako popolnim testom.. najbolje, da napravo razstavi ter zraven pokaže še svojega tiča. Žal ne bo šlo to pri Rossiju.. imaš drugih dovolj za ugotavljanje znanstvene podlage.. npr Celani, SRI, prav danes na primer tudi že omenjeni Ahern.. čudno, da nisi nič napisal o Celanijem prikazu LENR naprave na NI weeku v juliju? Zakaj že ne? Ah, veva midva točno zakaj ne. A boš kaj napisal o Celanijem prikazu self sustained mode LENR naprave, predvidoma v novembru? Zagotovo nič. Navajaš neki mumbojumbo s strani popolnoma nezanesljivih virov, ki so še bolj vprašljivi od Rossija samega, ampak to tebi odgovarja, saj pišejo tisto, kar ti misliš...

Medtem ko mu investitor ponuja 1mio $ če mu dokaže da zadeva deluje, pa mu Rossi pove da nima časa.

Ta dotični avstralski investitor je še zdaj dolžan izplačilo nagrade na enem od avstralskih tekmovanj, kjer je tudi obljubljal denarno nagrado, pa je ni izplačal .. pha.. to ja.. to so tvoji viri...

nekikr je 28. sep 2012 ob 20:09 izjavil:

Torej, pod črto, imamo trenutno njegovo besedo proti nekaj osnovnim zakonom fizike?

a on je sam na tem področju, al kako? nisem vedu... aja.. ko so kao odkrili v CERNu "božji delec", so znanstveniki v CERNu na veliko razlagali, kako sedaj bolje razumememo 4% vsega okoli nas (kar poznamo).. namreč o 96% (dark matter & dark energy) ne vemo praktično ničesar...

Kaj bi sedaj rad povedal, da za LENR-om stoji zadaj (dark matter & dark energy) in da se kot presežek energije vleče iz tega?