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enemon ::
Bral sem na redditu tole, kar je nekdo raziskal. Stvar je precej kompleksna, zato jo objavljam v celoti spodaj. Gre se za nestabilnosti na repo marketih. Preberite, pa udarimo debato o tem, bere se pa vse skupaj precej scarry.
0. Preface
I'm not a financial advisor - and I am not providing you financial advice. This is all my interpretation of what is going on.
TL;DR: The market is an overleveraged and rehypothecated bomb. The banks have been fighting a liquidity/collateral crisis since the end of March due to the government emergency liquidity programs ending and inflation starting to kick in. The repo market could blow up at any moment from a lack of collateral and short squeeze the US Treasury market itself. The entire market is hanging by a thread and the DTC, ICC, and OCC are prepared for the fallout. There are big players in the Crypto market and if they default due to this repo market bomb, massive selloffs can occur, pulling everything down in the stock market, repo market, and crypto market all at once.
I know this is gloom and doom post but this is backed up by some scary rules that were passed by the market operators and some data on the repo market. Do your own research for sure, but I'm trying to help summarize what's going on here to help you start your journey.
1. The DTC, ICC, and OCC Are Ready For Member Defaults
The DTC, ICC, and OCC are all major clearing corps of the market. They all are their own beasts in and of themselves. For simplicity, we'll label them as such:
DTC = stocks
ICC = default swaps
OCC = options
When I say member default, this means that the member defaulted on something - such as their net long and short positions have brought them negative long enough to be margin called and liquidated. Ever hear of banks defaulting in 2008? That means they were about to be wiped from existence, until the Fed stepped in and bailed them out.
The DTC, ICC, and OCC all pretty much share the same members. Market Makers and Banks. Except of course the ICC which only has Banks as members. All three of them have passed similar rules regarding member defaults. The last of which was for the OCC which went into effect as of Wednesday, May 19th.
If a member defaults in the ICC, they most likely default in the DTC and OCC as well. Same relationship the other three ways as well. The DTC, ICC, and OCC do not want to be left paying up for the defaulting member's debts in the event of a default. They also want to contain the nuke of a defaulter as much as possible so that it doesn't completely obliterate the market.
Remember Archegos? They abused a shitload of leverage and they were a small firm. They made a pretty significant impact on the market and a crater in many banks. Imagine how bad leverage must have been abused by all the large firms which are STILL standing today. Imagine what will happen if a very large firm with equivalent or larger margin goes bust and defaults. How about a handful of them going bust? How about if a bank goes bust and these firms and Hedgefunds cant get loans they're currently using to stay net positive and not default? Bad shit happens.
To prepare for the market nuke, the DTC, ICC, and OCC have passed rules/plans to deal with defaulting members.
I won't go into super detail here. Just a brief summary of the important rules the DTC, ICC, and OCC have passed:
DTC-004: Wind-down and auction plan. In effect.
ICC-005: Wind-down and auction plan. In effect.
OCC-004: Auction plan. In effect.
Every single one of them now has some form of rule which allows the defaulting members assets to be auctioned off and to deal with mass amounts of members defaulting (wind-down plan). This allows other members of the DTC, ICC, or OCC to buy the defaulters assets at a discount while in turn funding the defaulting member's short positions. This is in place of straight up liquidation on the open market [Note: There is no auction plan for crypto. So straight market orders and liquidation can occur].
It's a way to contain the nuke, but it might not be enough due to, again, the massive amounts of leverage in the market and the potential of an absurd amount of naked short selling that has occurred across the entire stock market and US Treasury Bond market. The stock market might be able to prop itself up.
The key takeaway is that all three of them, the DTC, ICC, and OCC are ready to pull the plug on Banks, HedgeFunds, Firms, etc. They have been planning for this coming for a while now. The moment a member defaults in the DTC, ICC, or OCC, it will cascade to the other clearing corps and cause them to default over there as well. ALL of the stocks, options, and swaps of defaulting members are up for auction - and liquidation in all other investments occurs.
2. The Repo Market Bomb
The whole market is an overleveraged and rehypothecated bomb. Rehypothecation is essentially derived from naked shorting - it means that two or more entities might have the same asset, so the owner is unknown. Naked shorting has been abused for decades, and its very possible that a single asset might have been rehypothecated many times over. Such as extreme levels of 20x even.
The Fed had emergency "Liquidity programs" for Banks due to Covid. And those expired as of March 31, 2021.
r/CryptoCurrency - DTC, ICC, OCC passed rules this week to prepare for BIG defaults in the stock market. Big banks to testify in Congress next week. This might pull Crypto down much further.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-...
I might trigger some of you here - but the HedgeFunds took advantage of the pandemic and the emergency programs to go absolutely wild naked shorting and rehypothecating assets to try to bully companies out of existence (meme stocks). They added much, much more to this overleveraged / rehypothecated bomb situation and a literal death clock started once those emergency programs lifted. Those meme stock companies are WAY too far away from where they should be in price for this to not be an issue. This is just one factor to the problem though - its presenting a liquidity crisis for a few HedgeFunds and firms.
The Fed has been printing tons and tons of money through COVID relief bills which in turn, helps drive up inflation, which then leads into the issue we're seeing with the repo market now. I'll discuss why inflation matters shortly.
Check this out. This is what the repo market has been experiencing since March. This might initially scream a repo market liquidity crisis to you, but it is most likely a collateral crisis of the repo market.
r/CryptoCurrency - DTC, ICC, OCC passed rules this week to prepare for BIG defaults in the stock market. Big banks to testify in Congress next week. This might pull Crypto down much further.
Repo Rate Increases 2019 - Present
This is showing you how much borrowing is going on in the repo market right now on a DAILY basis. I believe we just surpassed ~$320 BILLION being borrowed. And it continues to increase every business day.
He says "QE". What is QE? Well, it's dealing with the repo market. In the repo market, you have a pool of cash that can be loaned out by posting collateral. These trades have currently been overnight trades, meaning that the cash is returned the next day. For example, a HedgeFund can get a cash loan by posting collateral to a bank.
Now in regards to QE... If tons of cash is borrowed by lots of entities, then the supply of cash goes down, and the interest rate on the repo "loans" goes up. In order to keep the interest rate low, the Fed performs something called "Quantitative Easing" (QE):
The Fed wants to keep the interest rate in the repo market down. The interest rate will go up if there's too much borrowing and not enough cash in the repo market.
The Fed must print money into the repo market to push the interest rates down.
In order to print money into the repo market, the Fed will pull Treasury Bonds (collateral) out of the market.
More money is printed into the economy/repo market while interest rates are held down. But they have also sucked out treasury bonds from the repo market. Meaning there is now less collateral for HedgeFunds and Firms to get loans with.
Performing this exacerbates the problem of the repo market bomb because it's delaying the inevitable by making it a larger and larger bomb rather than letting the banks, hedgefunds, etc. default. They're also printing tons of money into the repo market risking more inflation.
Right now, the total repo borrow rate is growing at ever increasing amounts because of mass amounts of borrowing by Banks because they believe that inflation is going to kick in. So the banks are going to continuously pay more and more and more money to the HedgeFunds and Firms with these overnight loans in order to borrow their bonds from them. When they borrow these bonds, the banks can then short sell them into the treasury market because they think inflation will kick in and drop the price of the bonds and they can later buy them back at a cheaper price.
But remember - the Fed is performing QE by sucking up collateral from the market. They might be heading towards a situation where there is a lack of supply of collateral in the repo market. They can't continue to do this because they'll run out of reserves (cash to push into the repo market) and also risk hyperinflation.
We had a warning sign in March 2021 of the lack of collateral supply because the interest rate in the repo market suddenly swung negative. That means that there is a higher demand for collateral than there is supply. It has since then gone back positive (a meager +0.01%), but could flip downward again severely at any moment.
When there is a lack of collateral in the market, this could then trigger a spike in price of US Treasury Bonds because they're now in high demand. The Banks who had borrowed the bonds to short into the Treasury Market might now default due to the rising prices. This literally causes a short squeeze on the US Treasury Market because the Banks would now have to buy back up all of the bonds that were shorted into the market at any price.
The worst part is that there has been rehypothecation of these US Treasury Bonds. It is also very likely to have occurred in extreme amounts, meaning there's massive instability of fake collateral in the system along with overleveraged HedgeFunds and Firms still standing. The banks are more or less owned by the overleveraged entities and could be screwed.
To recap / in summary, it's now been the act of tossing a hot potato back and forth between the Fed, banks, and HFs on a collateral crisis and attempting to profit off of inflation:
HFs have gone wild rehypothecating treasury bonds and even though one copy of a treasury bond exists, a dozen or more firms and HFs could "own" the same bond. They can post these as collateral into the repo market for cash.
Banks want HFs treasury bonds in exchange for cash because they think they can profit off of them due to the fear of inflation, which drives treasury bond values down, so there is a demand for collateral. The banks pay the HFs to borrow their bonds at higher and higher amounts because of the demand for the collateral.
The banks borrow the treasury bonds to short into the treasury market and deliver the cash to the HFs. They expect to buy the bonds back later at a lower price because they think inflation will kick in and rates will go up. Inflation drives the value of the treasury bonds down.
The payments from the banks keep going up as demand rises = larger and larger daily repo amounts. The banks will pay more and more to borrow the collateral each time.
The treasury bonds on the treasury market slowly get eaten up by the Fed so that they can print money into the repo market to keep repo interest rates down through QE. Supply of collateral drops. As this continues, the repo rate can flip negative because of too much money and too little collateral, signaling higher demand than supply of collateral.
This continues until suddenly there's a supply shock in treasury bond collateral, causing the treasury bond prices to go up in price. No supply of collateral = no cash can be borrowed from banks = collateral crisis.
The banks that borrowed the bonds and shorted them into the treasury market might now have to buy them back up at ANY price because they shorted expecting to buy back at a cheaper price, but the prices have gone up and they've defaulted. (Think the same situation with meme stocks from earlier this year).
A literal short squeeze occurs on the treasury market itself and banks default.
The banks default from having to purchase up the treasury bonds that were shorted into the treasury market. This causes a cascade of defaults to all the HFs and firms that actually needed money from the repo market because they can't get the cash they need any more.
No collateral in the repo market shuts down the transfer of money to the world.
Shit hits the fan until the Fed + global powers figure out a solution.
At any moment, the liquidity bomb can pop and drag the whole system down. I definitely recommend George Gammon's Summary. It's frightening if this actually all occurs.
3. Ties to the Crypto Market
Now, what has been happening in the Crypto market? It has not been pretty for a few weeks. Large players may have been slowly liquidating their holdings over the past few months to get the most profit out of them. (Don't sell all at once, sell slowly, similar to DCA). Many other large players may have exited very rapidly earlier this week due to the possibility of an upcoming storm. There was also a liquidity requirement for the OCC members to post a cumulative ~$600 Million by the morning of May 19th. Remember what happened to Crypto the night before? And minutes before the opening bell of the markets when this liquidity requirement was due? Crypto TANKED.
You can't deny that there are LARGE players in the Crypto Market. It is very possible that WHEN members of the DTC, ICC, and OCC default, possibly due to the repo market bomb, that there will be sudden massive drops in the Crypto market and Stock market due to liquidation. Remember that there is a ton of leverage in the market right now and large players do not have to disclose their Crypto holdings. So who knows what percentage of coins are held by these guys.
I say WHEN members default because why else would the DTC, ICC, and OCC pass these rules? They are expecting big fallouts. Possibly VERY soon.
The ICC is also going to provide heavy discounts (~25%) on swaps starting June 1, 2021 and ending December 31, 2021, unless extended further. Interesting - why would they provide discounts on swaps so soon in a booming market? Probably because they're expecting a large drop by June 1, and they need to entice new (or old) customers.
With one final note as to why it could be VERY soon, Congress is holding a hearing with big bank CEOs next week. From my understanding, the last time this happened was after the 2008 crash.
r/CryptoCurrency - DTC, ICC, OCC passed rules this week to prepare for BIG defaults in the stock market. Big banks to testify in Congress next week. This might pull Crypto down much further.
https://financialservices.house.gov/new...
Once again. I am NOT a financial advisor. This is all my interpretation and opinion. Do your own research and take my post with skepticism. Cheers guys.
0. Preface
I'm not a financial advisor - and I am not providing you financial advice. This is all my interpretation of what is going on.
TL;DR: The market is an overleveraged and rehypothecated bomb. The banks have been fighting a liquidity/collateral crisis since the end of March due to the government emergency liquidity programs ending and inflation starting to kick in. The repo market could blow up at any moment from a lack of collateral and short squeeze the US Treasury market itself. The entire market is hanging by a thread and the DTC, ICC, and OCC are prepared for the fallout. There are big players in the Crypto market and if they default due to this repo market bomb, massive selloffs can occur, pulling everything down in the stock market, repo market, and crypto market all at once.
I know this is gloom and doom post but this is backed up by some scary rules that were passed by the market operators and some data on the repo market. Do your own research for sure, but I'm trying to help summarize what's going on here to help you start your journey.
1. The DTC, ICC, and OCC Are Ready For Member Defaults
The DTC, ICC, and OCC are all major clearing corps of the market. They all are their own beasts in and of themselves. For simplicity, we'll label them as such:
DTC = stocks
ICC = default swaps
OCC = options
When I say member default, this means that the member defaulted on something - such as their net long and short positions have brought them negative long enough to be margin called and liquidated. Ever hear of banks defaulting in 2008? That means they were about to be wiped from existence, until the Fed stepped in and bailed them out.
The DTC, ICC, and OCC all pretty much share the same members. Market Makers and Banks. Except of course the ICC which only has Banks as members. All three of them have passed similar rules regarding member defaults. The last of which was for the OCC which went into effect as of Wednesday, May 19th.
If a member defaults in the ICC, they most likely default in the DTC and OCC as well. Same relationship the other three ways as well. The DTC, ICC, and OCC do not want to be left paying up for the defaulting member's debts in the event of a default. They also want to contain the nuke of a defaulter as much as possible so that it doesn't completely obliterate the market.
Remember Archegos? They abused a shitload of leverage and they were a small firm. They made a pretty significant impact on the market and a crater in many banks. Imagine how bad leverage must have been abused by all the large firms which are STILL standing today. Imagine what will happen if a very large firm with equivalent or larger margin goes bust and defaults. How about a handful of them going bust? How about if a bank goes bust and these firms and Hedgefunds cant get loans they're currently using to stay net positive and not default? Bad shit happens.
To prepare for the market nuke, the DTC, ICC, and OCC have passed rules/plans to deal with defaulting members.
I won't go into super detail here. Just a brief summary of the important rules the DTC, ICC, and OCC have passed:
DTC-004: Wind-down and auction plan. In effect.
ICC-005: Wind-down and auction plan. In effect.
OCC-004: Auction plan. In effect.
Every single one of them now has some form of rule which allows the defaulting members assets to be auctioned off and to deal with mass amounts of members defaulting (wind-down plan). This allows other members of the DTC, ICC, or OCC to buy the defaulters assets at a discount while in turn funding the defaulting member's short positions. This is in place of straight up liquidation on the open market [Note: There is no auction plan for crypto. So straight market orders and liquidation can occur].
It's a way to contain the nuke, but it might not be enough due to, again, the massive amounts of leverage in the market and the potential of an absurd amount of naked short selling that has occurred across the entire stock market and US Treasury Bond market. The stock market might be able to prop itself up.
The key takeaway is that all three of them, the DTC, ICC, and OCC are ready to pull the plug on Banks, HedgeFunds, Firms, etc. They have been planning for this coming for a while now. The moment a member defaults in the DTC, ICC, or OCC, it will cascade to the other clearing corps and cause them to default over there as well. ALL of the stocks, options, and swaps of defaulting members are up for auction - and liquidation in all other investments occurs.
2. The Repo Market Bomb
The whole market is an overleveraged and rehypothecated bomb. Rehypothecation is essentially derived from naked shorting - it means that two or more entities might have the same asset, so the owner is unknown. Naked shorting has been abused for decades, and its very possible that a single asset might have been rehypothecated many times over. Such as extreme levels of 20x even.
The Fed had emergency "Liquidity programs" for Banks due to Covid. And those expired as of March 31, 2021.
r/CryptoCurrency - DTC, ICC, OCC passed rules this week to prepare for BIG defaults in the stock market. Big banks to testify in Congress next week. This might pull Crypto down much further.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-...
I might trigger some of you here - but the HedgeFunds took advantage of the pandemic and the emergency programs to go absolutely wild naked shorting and rehypothecating assets to try to bully companies out of existence (meme stocks). They added much, much more to this overleveraged / rehypothecated bomb situation and a literal death clock started once those emergency programs lifted. Those meme stock companies are WAY too far away from where they should be in price for this to not be an issue. This is just one factor to the problem though - its presenting a liquidity crisis for a few HedgeFunds and firms.
The Fed has been printing tons and tons of money through COVID relief bills which in turn, helps drive up inflation, which then leads into the issue we're seeing with the repo market now. I'll discuss why inflation matters shortly.
Check this out. This is what the repo market has been experiencing since March. This might initially scream a repo market liquidity crisis to you, but it is most likely a collateral crisis of the repo market.
r/CryptoCurrency - DTC, ICC, OCC passed rules this week to prepare for BIG defaults in the stock market. Big banks to testify in Congress next week. This might pull Crypto down much further.
Repo Rate Increases 2019 - Present
This is showing you how much borrowing is going on in the repo market right now on a DAILY basis. I believe we just surpassed ~$320 BILLION being borrowed. And it continues to increase every business day.
He says "QE". What is QE? Well, it's dealing with the repo market. In the repo market, you have a pool of cash that can be loaned out by posting collateral. These trades have currently been overnight trades, meaning that the cash is returned the next day. For example, a HedgeFund can get a cash loan by posting collateral to a bank.
Now in regards to QE... If tons of cash is borrowed by lots of entities, then the supply of cash goes down, and the interest rate on the repo "loans" goes up. In order to keep the interest rate low, the Fed performs something called "Quantitative Easing" (QE):
The Fed wants to keep the interest rate in the repo market down. The interest rate will go up if there's too much borrowing and not enough cash in the repo market.
The Fed must print money into the repo market to push the interest rates down.
In order to print money into the repo market, the Fed will pull Treasury Bonds (collateral) out of the market.
More money is printed into the economy/repo market while interest rates are held down. But they have also sucked out treasury bonds from the repo market. Meaning there is now less collateral for HedgeFunds and Firms to get loans with.
Performing this exacerbates the problem of the repo market bomb because it's delaying the inevitable by making it a larger and larger bomb rather than letting the banks, hedgefunds, etc. default. They're also printing tons of money into the repo market risking more inflation.
Right now, the total repo borrow rate is growing at ever increasing amounts because of mass amounts of borrowing by Banks because they believe that inflation is going to kick in. So the banks are going to continuously pay more and more and more money to the HedgeFunds and Firms with these overnight loans in order to borrow their bonds from them. When they borrow these bonds, the banks can then short sell them into the treasury market because they think inflation will kick in and drop the price of the bonds and they can later buy them back at a cheaper price.
But remember - the Fed is performing QE by sucking up collateral from the market. They might be heading towards a situation where there is a lack of supply of collateral in the repo market. They can't continue to do this because they'll run out of reserves (cash to push into the repo market) and also risk hyperinflation.
We had a warning sign in March 2021 of the lack of collateral supply because the interest rate in the repo market suddenly swung negative. That means that there is a higher demand for collateral than there is supply. It has since then gone back positive (a meager +0.01%), but could flip downward again severely at any moment.
When there is a lack of collateral in the market, this could then trigger a spike in price of US Treasury Bonds because they're now in high demand. The Banks who had borrowed the bonds to short into the Treasury Market might now default due to the rising prices. This literally causes a short squeeze on the US Treasury Market because the Banks would now have to buy back up all of the bonds that were shorted into the market at any price.
The worst part is that there has been rehypothecation of these US Treasury Bonds. It is also very likely to have occurred in extreme amounts, meaning there's massive instability of fake collateral in the system along with overleveraged HedgeFunds and Firms still standing. The banks are more or less owned by the overleveraged entities and could be screwed.
To recap / in summary, it's now been the act of tossing a hot potato back and forth between the Fed, banks, and HFs on a collateral crisis and attempting to profit off of inflation:
HFs have gone wild rehypothecating treasury bonds and even though one copy of a treasury bond exists, a dozen or more firms and HFs could "own" the same bond. They can post these as collateral into the repo market for cash.
Banks want HFs treasury bonds in exchange for cash because they think they can profit off of them due to the fear of inflation, which drives treasury bond values down, so there is a demand for collateral. The banks pay the HFs to borrow their bonds at higher and higher amounts because of the demand for the collateral.
The banks borrow the treasury bonds to short into the treasury market and deliver the cash to the HFs. They expect to buy the bonds back later at a lower price because they think inflation will kick in and rates will go up. Inflation drives the value of the treasury bonds down.
The payments from the banks keep going up as demand rises = larger and larger daily repo amounts. The banks will pay more and more to borrow the collateral each time.
The treasury bonds on the treasury market slowly get eaten up by the Fed so that they can print money into the repo market to keep repo interest rates down through QE. Supply of collateral drops. As this continues, the repo rate can flip negative because of too much money and too little collateral, signaling higher demand than supply of collateral.
This continues until suddenly there's a supply shock in treasury bond collateral, causing the treasury bond prices to go up in price. No supply of collateral = no cash can be borrowed from banks = collateral crisis.
The banks that borrowed the bonds and shorted them into the treasury market might now have to buy them back up at ANY price because they shorted expecting to buy back at a cheaper price, but the prices have gone up and they've defaulted. (Think the same situation with meme stocks from earlier this year).
A literal short squeeze occurs on the treasury market itself and banks default.
The banks default from having to purchase up the treasury bonds that were shorted into the treasury market. This causes a cascade of defaults to all the HFs and firms that actually needed money from the repo market because they can't get the cash they need any more.
No collateral in the repo market shuts down the transfer of money to the world.
Shit hits the fan until the Fed + global powers figure out a solution.
At any moment, the liquidity bomb can pop and drag the whole system down. I definitely recommend George Gammon's Summary. It's frightening if this actually all occurs.
3. Ties to the Crypto Market
Now, what has been happening in the Crypto market? It has not been pretty for a few weeks. Large players may have been slowly liquidating their holdings over the past few months to get the most profit out of them. (Don't sell all at once, sell slowly, similar to DCA). Many other large players may have exited very rapidly earlier this week due to the possibility of an upcoming storm. There was also a liquidity requirement for the OCC members to post a cumulative ~$600 Million by the morning of May 19th. Remember what happened to Crypto the night before? And minutes before the opening bell of the markets when this liquidity requirement was due? Crypto TANKED.
You can't deny that there are LARGE players in the Crypto Market. It is very possible that WHEN members of the DTC, ICC, and OCC default, possibly due to the repo market bomb, that there will be sudden massive drops in the Crypto market and Stock market due to liquidation. Remember that there is a ton of leverage in the market right now and large players do not have to disclose their Crypto holdings. So who knows what percentage of coins are held by these guys.
I say WHEN members default because why else would the DTC, ICC, and OCC pass these rules? They are expecting big fallouts. Possibly VERY soon.
The ICC is also going to provide heavy discounts (~25%) on swaps starting June 1, 2021 and ending December 31, 2021, unless extended further. Interesting - why would they provide discounts on swaps so soon in a booming market? Probably because they're expecting a large drop by June 1, and they need to entice new (or old) customers.
With one final note as to why it could be VERY soon, Congress is holding a hearing with big bank CEOs next week. From my understanding, the last time this happened was after the 2008 crash.
r/CryptoCurrency - DTC, ICC, OCC passed rules this week to prepare for BIG defaults in the stock market. Big banks to testify in Congress next week. This might pull Crypto down much further.
https://financialservices.house.gov/new...
Once again. I am NOT a financial advisor. This is all my interpretation and opinion. Do your own research and take my post with skepticism. Cheers guys.
- spremenilo: enemon ()
MisterR ::
Tip ve kaj govori. Dejansko se nekaj kuha. Sedaj je glavno vprašanje kako bodo regulatorji reagirali. Težava je v tem, da so za krivo 2k8 bili krivi ravno regulatorji in dvomim, da si lahko privoščijo ponovni fiasko.
Zaenkrat neke pametne rešitve kot imeti fiat ali kovin ni. Ker tudi po krizi bo fiat še zmeraj najbolj pomembno plačilno sredstvo. Ker zaenkrat še ni coina, ki bi bil razširjen in bi omogočal poceni plačevanje tako kot fiat. In zato bomo še kar precej časa obsojeni na fiat.
Zaenkrat neke pametne rešitve kot imeti fiat ali kovin ni. Ker tudi po krizi bo fiat še zmeraj najbolj pomembno plačilno sredstvo. Ker zaenkrat še ni coina, ki bi bil razširjen in bi omogočal poceni plačevanje tako kot fiat. In zato bomo še kar precej časa obsojeni na fiat.
Lonsarg ::
Tip govori o problemih bank ampak se s tem niti slučajno ne strinjam, ker imajo trenutno preveč keša, ki ga nimajo kam dati.
Skratka v naslednji krizi jaz ne vidim primarnega problema pri bankah, vidim pa probleme z masovnimi stečaji običnih firm zaradi likvidnostnih problemov, ker so se razpasle firme, ki so se navadle na poceni denar in ko se pipca zapre bo grdo. Problem pa je ker so države 2008 reševale banke in so trenutno zadolžene še bolj kot podjetja. Tako da ko ob naslednji krizi pride val stečajov firm bo državam zmanjkalo to reševati. Ali pa še huje, bodo reševale in bodo države same prišle v hudo dolžniško krizo. Potem pa smo že blizu propada USD in EUR valut.
Je pa to zgolj en izmed scenarijev. Morda pa bodo države vsa podjetja, ki bi šla v stečaj, preprosto podržavila in pač kapitalizem malo zamre. Vse živo se lahko zgodi skratka.
Skratka v naslednji krizi jaz ne vidim primarnega problema pri bankah, vidim pa probleme z masovnimi stečaji običnih firm zaradi likvidnostnih problemov, ker so se razpasle firme, ki so se navadle na poceni denar in ko se pipca zapre bo grdo. Problem pa je ker so države 2008 reševale banke in so trenutno zadolžene še bolj kot podjetja. Tako da ko ob naslednji krizi pride val stečajov firm bo državam zmanjkalo to reševati. Ali pa še huje, bodo reševale in bodo države same prišle v hudo dolžniško krizo. Potem pa smo že blizu propada USD in EUR valut.
Je pa to zgolj en izmed scenarijev. Morda pa bodo države vsa podjetja, ki bi šla v stečaj, preprosto podržavila in pač kapitalizem malo zamre. Vse živo se lahko zgodi skratka.
Zgodovina sprememb…
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endelin ::
Ja. Jaz sem se vedno mnenja, da so leta 2008 dali narkomana na metadon ampak dozo metadona ne zmanjšujejo ampak samo povečujejo.
Do leta 2030 se nam obeta crash vseh crashov. In hudi nemiri po svetu. Uživajmo v roaring 20s dokler traja
Do leta 2030 se nam obeta crash vseh crashov. In hudi nemiri po svetu. Uživajmo v roaring 20s dokler traja
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Vetrpiha ::
Tip govori o problemih bank ampak se s tem niti slučajno ne strinjam, ker imajo trenutno preveč keša, ki ga nimajo kam dati.
Skratka v naslednji krizi jaz ne vidim primarnega problema pri bankah, vidim pa probleme z masovnimi stečaji običnih firm zaradi likvidnostnih problemov, ker so se razpasle firme, ki so se navadle na poceni denar in ko se pipca zapre bo grdo. Problem pa je ker so države 2008 reševale banke in so trenutno zadolžene še bolj kot podjetja. Tako da ko ob naslednji krizi pride val stečajov firm bo državam zmanjkalo to reševati. Ali pa še huje, bodo reševale in bodo države same prišle v hudo dolžniško krizo. Potem pa smo že blizu propada USD in EUR valut.
Je pa to zgolj en izmed scenarijev. Morda pa bodo države vsa podjetja, ki bi šla v stečaj, preprosto podržavila in pač kapitalizem malo zamre. Vse živo se lahko zgodi skratka.
Problem je v tem, ker je med upadom gospodarstva borza doživljala rekorde navzgor.
Kar nekako ni logično, ampak ok, nobenemu ni jasno zakaj in kaj ter kako bo.
gtx970op ::
Če se nam dogaja inflacija in denar izgublja na svoji vrednosti (kar vidimo na enormnem dvigu vrednosti kovin in drugih gradbenih materialov) zakaj bi potem ljudje prodali vso premoženje v delnicah, plemenitih kovinah, kripto? Da bo jim inflacija požrla prihranke?
Ne vidim logike kako bi se lahko ves trg sesul...
Če se sesuje trg delnic se bo ves denar pretočil v plemenite kovine in kripto.
Ne vidim logike kako bi se lahko ves trg sesul...
Če se sesuje trg delnic se bo ves denar pretočil v plemenite kovine in kripto.
Lonsarg ::
Trg delnic bo sicer doživel začasen pok, nikoli pa se ne bo sesul (ok razen ob kaki revoluciji). Začasni pok bo, ko začnejo firme padat, ker bodo pač prisiljeni prodajat vsi ki imajo likvidnostne težave.
Prodajali bodo tudi paničarji, tisti ki ima denar pa bo seveda profitiral ker bo ta ZAČASNI padec delnic zgolj izkoristil za nove nakupe namesto za prodajo.
Prodajali bodo tudi paničarji, tisti ki ima denar pa bo seveda profitiral ker bo ta ZAČASNI padec delnic zgolj izkoristil za nove nakupe namesto za prodajo.
Blinder ::
Mah, ce se scrasha se bodo prostitutke pocenile, tudi uredu.
99.991% of over-25 population has tried kissing.
If you're one of the 0.009% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your Signature.
Intel i3-12100f gtx 3050 Pismo smo stari v bozjo mater. Recesija generacija
If you're one of the 0.009% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your Signature.
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z0mbie ::
Končno, na to čakam že od y2k. Super.
Tudi jaz. Cim prej tem bolje.
in kripto.
Ne se ne bo. Kripto bo crknil tako kot vsaka druga hobby dejavnost, ki nima nobene vrednosti izven sociopatskega zadovoljstva.
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gtx970op ::
Tudi papir s printom 100€ ima vrednost pa dejansko nima vrednosti ker je samo papir. Ampak to si nekako uspel sprejeti da zadeva ni sporna al?
m0LN4r ::
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I'm not a financial advisornaprej? Spotaknil sem se ob ta stavek.
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z0mbie ::
Tudi papir s printom 100EUR ima vrednost pa dejansko nima vrednosti ker je samo papir. Ampak to si nekako uspel sprejeti da zadeva ni sporna al?
Zadaj ne stoji premozenje nekaj miljard goljufov. Pri kriptovalutah pa samo goljufi. Razen tega ima vec ali manj stabilno vrednost, kriptovalute pa samo spekulativno in izredno nihajoco. No pa za visek vsega, "community" se mi pri kriptovalutah gabi, kupi druzbenih parazitov, goljufov, sociopatov, hipsterjev. Nekako ne spadam sem. Seveda so potem tukaj se razni operativni detajli, kot recimo, da kriptovalute razen donacij piratskim stranem, ne morem uporabiti za nic, se za prenos denarja ne, ker je banka cenejsa, pa se vem, da bo vrednost denarja, ki ga preko banke poslal na drugi strani transferja enaka. Z drogami in preprodajo orozja se pa ne ukvarjam. Ergo, zadeva nima nobene uporabne vrednosti razen spekulativne.
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z0mbie ::
Tudi za delnicami so samo goljufi.
In kaj sem jaz drugega rekel? Samo pac kriptovalutasi so ogabni se za nekaj nivojev naprej... kot bi se odlocal ali bom jedel podgano ali scurke. Odvisno od okusa sicer, ampak jaz se bi, iz cistih higienskih razlogov, raje odlocil za peceno podgano, vsaj ocistiti se jo da. Kriptovalutasi mi ne teknejo prevec.
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z0mbie ::
z0mbie ::
Tudi papir s printom 100EUR ima vrednost pa dejansko nima vrednosti ker je samo papir. Ampak to si nekako uspel sprejeti da zadeva ni sporna al?
Aja pa se tole sem pozabil. S 100 euri si lahko v miru obrisem rit, prizgem cigaro, si kaj zapisem gor. Konec koncev zakurim ogenj. Dam na kompost. Kriptovalute nimajo popolnoma nobene vrednosti. Oz. se slabso, njihova vrednost je negativna, ker zadaj stoji ves porabljeni strom in hardware na katerem so bile "izkopane". Slabse so celo od tulipomanije, tam si po zlomu trga lahko ven dobil vsaj cvet. Za okras. Za na gnoj.
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z0mbie ::
Kak je nekdo salty :)
Kar povej, ce kaj ni res. Samo napisal sem tako kot je, brez newage olepsav, sanj, marketinskega materiala itd. Skratka, rekel sem bobu bob. Da nisi ti mogoce "salty", ker ves, da je res?
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dronyx ::
Trenutno so po moje centralne banke v pat poziciji. Ali dvignejo obrestne mere in začnejo pokati baloni, ki jih je napihnilo desetletje poceni denarja, ali pa še naprej tiskajo denar in sledi verjetno najprej visoka inflacija, potem pa še hiperinflacija.
V zadnjih letih je bilo natiskanega kot rečeno ogromno denarja. Najprej se je ta denar selil v delnice, nepremičnine, nekaj v kripto market. Sedaj so "investitorji" odkrili novo priložnost in sicer v surovinah. Ogromno denarja gre sedaj v indeksne sklade, ki investirajo v surovine. Kaj se zgodi, ko ogromno denarja priteka v delniške indeksne sklade? Cene delnic v indeksu rastejo, saj mora sklad kupovati delnice, ki so v indeksu. Ne more kupovati s tem denarjem obveznic ali zlata. Kaj se zgodi, ko začne pritekati ogromno denarja v indekse, ki vlagajo v surovine? Cene surovin strmo rastejo. Ampak s tem pa pride zelo hitro do neprijetnega učinka, ki se mu reče visoka inflacija, saj se višanje cen surovin slej ko prej mora poznati pri končnih izdelkih. Denar bo v naslednjih nekaj letih povsem razvrednoten. Glavni krivec za vse to pa centralne banke (FED, ECB, BoJ itd.)!
Tule zapis The Great Fraud of the central banks!, ki sem ga poslal tudi ECB. Odgovorili so mi pa tole.
Nočem nikogar strašiti, samo po moje se kuha finančni Perfect Storm.
V zadnjih letih je bilo natiskanega kot rečeno ogromno denarja. Najprej se je ta denar selil v delnice, nepremičnine, nekaj v kripto market. Sedaj so "investitorji" odkrili novo priložnost in sicer v surovinah. Ogromno denarja gre sedaj v indeksne sklade, ki investirajo v surovine. Kaj se zgodi, ko ogromno denarja priteka v delniške indeksne sklade? Cene delnic v indeksu rastejo, saj mora sklad kupovati delnice, ki so v indeksu. Ne more kupovati s tem denarjem obveznic ali zlata. Kaj se zgodi, ko začne pritekati ogromno denarja v indekse, ki vlagajo v surovine? Cene surovin strmo rastejo. Ampak s tem pa pride zelo hitro do neprijetnega učinka, ki se mu reče visoka inflacija, saj se višanje cen surovin slej ko prej mora poznati pri končnih izdelkih. Denar bo v naslednjih nekaj letih povsem razvrednoten. Glavni krivec za vse to pa centralne banke (FED, ECB, BoJ itd.)!
Tule zapis The Great Fraud of the central banks!, ki sem ga poslal tudi ECB. Odgovorili so mi pa tole.
Nočem nikogar strašiti, samo po moje se kuha finančni Perfect Storm.
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PrimoZ_ ::
Jaz vem da sem z kripto uspel zaslužit.
Dovolj dobro zame.
Veliki igralci imajo svoj kazino s hedge fundi, za nas male ribe je pa kripto :)
Jaz vem da sem z kripto uspel zaslužit.
Dovolj dobro zame.
Veliki igralci imajo svoj kazino s hedge fundi, za nas male ribe je pa kripto :)
Dovolj dobro zame.
Veliki igralci imajo svoj kazino s hedge fundi, za nas male ribe je pa kripto :)
Kak je nekdo salty :)
Kar povej, ce kaj ni res. Samo napisal sem tako kot je, brez newage olepsav, sanj, marketinskega materiala itd. Skratka, rekel sem bobu bob. Da nisi ti mogoce "salty", ker ves, da je res?
Jaz vem da sem z kripto uspel zaslužit.
Dovolj dobro zame.
Veliki igralci imajo svoj kazino s hedge fundi, za nas male ribe je pa kripto :)
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Mr.B ::
Trenutno so po moje centralne banke v pat poziciji. Ali dvignejo obrestne mere in začnejo pokati baloni, ki jih je napihnilo desetletje poceni denarja, ali pa še naprej tiskajo denar in sledi verjetno najprej visoka inflacija, potem pa še hiperinflacija.
V zadnjih letih je bilo natiskanega kot rečeno ogromno denarja. Najprej se je ta denar selil v delnice, nepremičnine, nekaj v kripto market. Sedaj so "investitorji" odkrili novo priložnost in sicer v surovinah. Ogromno denarja gre sedaj v indeksne sklade, ki investirajo v surovine. Kaj se zgodi, ko ogromno denarja priteka v delniške indeksne sklade? Cene delnic v indeksu rastejo, saj mora sklad kupovati delnice, ki so v indeksu. Ne more kupovati s tem denarjem obveznic ali zlata. Kaj se zgodi, ko začne pritekati ogromno denarja v indekse, ki vlagajo v surovine? Cene surovin strmo rastejo. Ampak s tem pa pride zelo hitro do neprijetnega učinka, ki se mu reče visoka inflacija, saj se višanje cen surovin slej ko prej mora poznati pri končnih izdelkih. Denar bo v naslednjih nekaj letih povsem razvrednoten. Glavni krivec za vse to pa centralne banke (FED, ECB, BoJ itd.)!
Tule zapis The Great Fraud of the central banks!, ki sem ga poslal tudi ECB. Odgovorili so mi pa tole.
Nočem nikogar strašiti, samo po moje se kuha finančni Perfect Storm.
Verjetno ne razumeš, ali pa govoriš o "Corporate Debt- Bond market"
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
zobnik ::
Ne
Samo zaradi epidemije se ne bo poznalo prav kaj dost.
Samo zaradi epidemije se ne bo poznalo prav kaj dost.
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stoneball ::
Se vsekakor strinjam, da bo počilo, vprašanje kdaj.
Argumenti:
Poglej si volumen prometa na ETF-ih, ki so namenjeni shortanju (SQQQ, DOG, MYY, PSQ, SBB,...) - ta pametni že hedgajo. Poglej si, kdaj se je začel volumen povečevat. Vir: finance.yahoo.com ali pa TradingView.
S&P 500, Nasdaq (tudi ostali delniški indeksi) so na zgodovinsko najvišjih nivojih - na finance.yahoo.com si vklopi max časovno skalo na S&P 500, pa ti bo jasno, da je trg hudo pregret zaradi poceni denarja (kvantitativno sproščanje = tiskanje denarja)
Inflacija je že v teku - teh člankov imaš na netu ogromno, najdi tweete od Michael Burry-ja - to je tip, ki je pogruntal zadnji market crash 2008
Banke imajo spet hudo izpostavljenost, ker so vsi njihovi produkti nudeni končnim strankam z vzvodi s faktorjem do 25. Kar pomeni, da ponovno cel bančni sektor sloni na posojenem denarju. Najdi intervjuje s Steve Eisman - to je še eden od finančnih legend, ki so imeli energijo, da so šli na trg raziskat kaj se v resnici dogaja. By d mimo - tip je rekel, da ima tarčo za Big Short že izbrano - pa to je izjavil 2017. Ta pametni gradijo portfelj za crash nekaj let in so že v pozicijah nekaj let.
Cene nepremičnin gredo v nebo - še eden od znakov inflacije - ljudje bežijo v nepremičnine. Temu bi celo rekel prikriti indikator, veš, da se nekaj dogaja, razlogov ti pa nobeden ne zna povedati. Vsem je pa fino - greš na banko dobiš kredit, nepremičninarjem je fino, ker služijo - tile klinci itak nikoli ne bodo povedali realnega stanja na trgu. Vsem je fino. Narod spet jemlje kredite z variabilno obrestno mero, ker se z bankami vse težje dogovoriš za fixno OM. Zdajle si car, da ti da banka na 25+ let fixno OM. Kdaj smo to že videli - aja 2008 :)
Poceni denar - samo Slovenci imamo cca. 50 Mil EUR v bankah (članek kakšen teden nazaj v Financah). Ta denar ne kroži, ni v obtoku (ne dela) in je v interesu držav, da spravijo denar ven na trg. Kako to države naredijo? Z zmanjšanjem vrednosti denarja, višjimi obrestnimi merami zadolžitev. Pri nizkih obrestnih merah kuriš denar bank, ko so višje obrestne mere kuriš svoj denar. ;)
(Zaenkrat) izredno nizke obrestne mere na bankah. Sam sem predvidel cikle in sem se dogovoril za fixno obrestno mero. Ko, bo inflacija v polnem razmahu boš na banki spet gledal obrestne mere ranga 7+%. Islandija je zaradi plitkega trga gledala obrestne mere ranga 14+%. Super za vezavo, samo, če si šel po kredit aua.
Zadolževanje držav zaradi Covid-a je na nesprejemljivih nivojih. Poglej si nivo zadolževanja držav, ki izvozijo cca. 50% ali več - primer Nemčija. Kaj se zgodi, ko Nemci kihnejo - Slovenci zbolimo, ker smo preveč izpostavljeni nemškemu trgu. V interesu držav, ki imajo lastno valuto je, da povzročijo inflacijo, ker v tem primeru vrnejo bistveno manj denarja investitorjem (vrednostno), ki so jim denar posodili. Poglej si Nemčijo v 30. letih 20. stoletja, ko so vračali reparacije po 1. svetovni vojni, Madžarska v letih 2008 - 2015. Dobro bodo zvozile države, ki so obdržale lastne valute (delna kontrola nad fiskalno politiko). Mi, ki smo v EUR območju bomo fasali, big time.
Kako se bo zgodilo?
Se že dogaja - nepremičnine so najmočnejši indikator. Naslednji indikator so cene surovin - aluminij, platina, plastika (tudi že v polnem razmahu - pokliči kakšnega nabavnika v firmo). Cene logističnih storitev so poskočile x10. Vse te indikatorje primarno čuti gospodarstvo. Fizične osebe (zaenkrat) v manjši meri tudi - skozi zvišanje cen določenih dobrin in storitev.
Sam vidim naslednji tok dogodkov - do konca leta bodo delniški trgi zanihali, ampak ne še v panic mode-u. Naslednje leto market crash. Crypto se bo tekom poletja pobral, do konca leta mogoče še kakšen ATH. Pigs will fly. Naslednje leto, bo zabavno.
Potem se bo zgodil nek dogodek, ki ga bodo vsi krivili za crash - kot sedaj Elona za padec Bitcoina. To, da so vsi tehnični indikatorji kazali na padec BTC, to nobenega ne zanima, ker narod potrebuje krivca.
Vse ostalo so domine.
Kaj hočem povedati je, da indikatorji kažejo, da smo že v procesu crasha. Samo tega ne čutimo še na lastni koži - službe so, denar je, vikendi so fini, na Hrvaško bomo lahko šli na dopust. But the game is already on.
Popolnoma drugo vprašanje pa je, kako se zaščititi ;)
Argumenti:
Poglej si volumen prometa na ETF-ih, ki so namenjeni shortanju (SQQQ, DOG, MYY, PSQ, SBB,...) - ta pametni že hedgajo. Poglej si, kdaj se je začel volumen povečevat. Vir: finance.yahoo.com ali pa TradingView.
S&P 500, Nasdaq (tudi ostali delniški indeksi) so na zgodovinsko najvišjih nivojih - na finance.yahoo.com si vklopi max časovno skalo na S&P 500, pa ti bo jasno, da je trg hudo pregret zaradi poceni denarja (kvantitativno sproščanje = tiskanje denarja)
Inflacija je že v teku - teh člankov imaš na netu ogromno, najdi tweete od Michael Burry-ja - to je tip, ki je pogruntal zadnji market crash 2008
Banke imajo spet hudo izpostavljenost, ker so vsi njihovi produkti nudeni končnim strankam z vzvodi s faktorjem do 25. Kar pomeni, da ponovno cel bančni sektor sloni na posojenem denarju. Najdi intervjuje s Steve Eisman - to je še eden od finančnih legend, ki so imeli energijo, da so šli na trg raziskat kaj se v resnici dogaja. By d mimo - tip je rekel, da ima tarčo za Big Short že izbrano - pa to je izjavil 2017. Ta pametni gradijo portfelj za crash nekaj let in so že v pozicijah nekaj let.
Cene nepremičnin gredo v nebo - še eden od znakov inflacije - ljudje bežijo v nepremičnine. Temu bi celo rekel prikriti indikator, veš, da se nekaj dogaja, razlogov ti pa nobeden ne zna povedati. Vsem je pa fino - greš na banko dobiš kredit, nepremičninarjem je fino, ker služijo - tile klinci itak nikoli ne bodo povedali realnega stanja na trgu. Vsem je fino. Narod spet jemlje kredite z variabilno obrestno mero, ker se z bankami vse težje dogovoriš za fixno OM. Zdajle si car, da ti da banka na 25+ let fixno OM. Kdaj smo to že videli - aja 2008 :)
Poceni denar - samo Slovenci imamo cca. 50 Mil EUR v bankah (članek kakšen teden nazaj v Financah). Ta denar ne kroži, ni v obtoku (ne dela) in je v interesu držav, da spravijo denar ven na trg. Kako to države naredijo? Z zmanjšanjem vrednosti denarja, višjimi obrestnimi merami zadolžitev. Pri nizkih obrestnih merah kuriš denar bank, ko so višje obrestne mere kuriš svoj denar. ;)
(Zaenkrat) izredno nizke obrestne mere na bankah. Sam sem predvidel cikle in sem se dogovoril za fixno obrestno mero. Ko, bo inflacija v polnem razmahu boš na banki spet gledal obrestne mere ranga 7+%. Islandija je zaradi plitkega trga gledala obrestne mere ranga 14+%. Super za vezavo, samo, če si šel po kredit aua.
Zadolževanje držav zaradi Covid-a je na nesprejemljivih nivojih. Poglej si nivo zadolževanja držav, ki izvozijo cca. 50% ali več - primer Nemčija. Kaj se zgodi, ko Nemci kihnejo - Slovenci zbolimo, ker smo preveč izpostavljeni nemškemu trgu. V interesu držav, ki imajo lastno valuto je, da povzročijo inflacijo, ker v tem primeru vrnejo bistveno manj denarja investitorjem (vrednostno), ki so jim denar posodili. Poglej si Nemčijo v 30. letih 20. stoletja, ko so vračali reparacije po 1. svetovni vojni, Madžarska v letih 2008 - 2015. Dobro bodo zvozile države, ki so obdržale lastne valute (delna kontrola nad fiskalno politiko). Mi, ki smo v EUR območju bomo fasali, big time.
Kako se bo zgodilo?
Se že dogaja - nepremičnine so najmočnejši indikator. Naslednji indikator so cene surovin - aluminij, platina, plastika (tudi že v polnem razmahu - pokliči kakšnega nabavnika v firmo). Cene logističnih storitev so poskočile x10. Vse te indikatorje primarno čuti gospodarstvo. Fizične osebe (zaenkrat) v manjši meri tudi - skozi zvišanje cen določenih dobrin in storitev.
Sam vidim naslednji tok dogodkov - do konca leta bodo delniški trgi zanihali, ampak ne še v panic mode-u. Naslednje leto market crash. Crypto se bo tekom poletja pobral, do konca leta mogoče še kakšen ATH. Pigs will fly. Naslednje leto, bo zabavno.
Potem se bo zgodil nek dogodek, ki ga bodo vsi krivili za crash - kot sedaj Elona za padec Bitcoina. To, da so vsi tehnični indikatorji kazali na padec BTC, to nobenega ne zanima, ker narod potrebuje krivca.
Vse ostalo so domine.
Kaj hočem povedati je, da indikatorji kažejo, da smo že v procesu crasha. Samo tega ne čutimo še na lastni koži - službe so, denar je, vikendi so fini, na Hrvaško bomo lahko šli na dopust. But the game is already on.
Popolnoma drugo vprašanje pa je, kako se zaščititi ;)
Utk ::
Real estate nima brez veze v imenu real. Pa prihranite mi slike Detroita. Ne pomeni to, da karkoli kupiš za kolkerkoli denarja, je v redu. To velja morda pri kriptu, ki je itak casino. Pri nepremičninah, če kupiš nekaj kar je možno prodat, boš zmeraj nekaj imel.
z0mbie ::
Vam povem mojo hipotezo. Tole novico je lansiral kriptopizdun, ki bi rad svojim spekulacijam se malo nabil ceno (da pokrije izgubo zaradi Muskovega natega) za zraven pa mu drugi kriptopizduni pomagajo s pripisovanjem posledic Covida buuuhuuuhuuu krizi. Pa mislim, da se ne motim. Zatorej naivic, navalite na polno, kupite kriptovalute, dokler jih ne zmanjka.
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Uporabnik ::
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
:) to je to, kar prodaja WEF. Smrt za vse nas.
If You Don\'t Stand for Something, You\'ll Fall for Anything
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sbawe64 ::
Najem vsega (ako imaš seveda dovolj social točk).
2020 is new 1984
Corona World order
Corona World order
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GrX ::
O poku balona nekateri na ST bluzite že 10 let.
Dejstvo je, da bo tega prej sli slej prišlo, ker do tega vedno pride v točno določenih ciklih. Nič novega...
Dejstvo je, da bo tega prej sli slej prišlo, ker do tega vedno pride v točno določenih ciklih. Nič novega...
dronyx ::
Poceni denar - samo Slovenci imamo cca. 50 Mil EUR v bankah (članek kakšen teden nazaj v Financah). Ta denar ne kroži, ni v obtoku (ne dela) in je v interesu držav, da spravijo denar ven na trg.)
Mislim da je zadnji podatek da imamo pri nas na bankah za 23.000 MIO evrov (23 MILIJARD EVROV!) depozitov, ki imajo že enkaj let 0 % obrestno mero zaradi ukrepov ECB in tiskanja denarja v ogromnih količinah. 0% obresti so vsaj zadnjih 5 let in jaz sem izračunal, da so ob inflaciji 2% letno (dejanska je po moje še višja) pokradli samo slovenske varčevalce za 2 milijardi evrov! V celotnem evroi območju je ta kraja zelo verjetno višja od pol bilijona (500 milijard) evrov. To so vrhunski lopovi in temu oni rečejo stealth devaluation. V Jugoslaviji si vsaj vedel, da ti kradejo in si moral dinarje čim prej spremeniti v marke ali zlato. Sedaj to delajo prikrito, tako da ne poštudiraš takoj kaj zares počnejo. Ampak s tem so tudi uničili zaupanje v evro. Vsaj zame je evro sedaj isto kot dinarji. Čim prej pretovoriti v nekaj drugega. Večina dela konverzijo v cegle in beton.
Pa ne želim braniti ECB, saj so za svoje odločitve sami odgovorni, je pa dejstvo, da vse centralne banke sledijo kot mokri cucki temu, kar počne ameriški FED, ki dela v interesu peščice najbogatejših! Ker vse valute tako hkrati tonejo ne opaziš, da se potapljajo. Temu rečejo competitive devaluation, dejansko pa je to competitive sinking.
Po letu 2008 niso centralne banke in ostali rešili ničesar. Problem je sedaj še mnogo hujši in vsi čakajo, da pride do novega svetovnega zloma, ki bo še hujši kot leta 2008.
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bluefish ::
dronyx ::
Sedaj to delajo prikrito, tako da ne poštudiraš takoj kaj zares počnejo.V pogodbo ob sklenitvi depozita torej zapišejo, da je obretna mera 10 %, čeprav je realna blizu 0? Ali kako po tvojem mnenju delajo to prikrito?
Prvič lažejo 1,5 % letni inflaciji, stanovanja so se pa v 3 letih podražila za 30 %. Tako ljudje ne opazijo, da dejansko denar mnogo hitreje izgublja na vrednosti, kot kažejo številke. Ampak, nima veze. Pozabi.
Jaz samo vem, da ko se začne bank run ne želim imeti na banki niti centa.
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SuperKripto ::
Rezultat bo sicer zmeraj isti. Bogati bodo še bogatejši, revni še revnejši.
to je mozno samo zato, ker revni nasedajo, da je naprintan denar iz nic nekaj vreden. Bogati prepricajo revne, da tako vrednotijo in razmilsjajo. To je navaden nateg.
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shadeX ::
SuperKripto je izjavil:
Rezultat bo sicer zmeraj isti. Bogati bodo še bogatejši, revni še revnejši.
to je mozno samo zato, ker revni nasedajo, da je naprintan denar iz nic nekaj vreden. Bogati prepricajo revne, da tako vrednotijo in razmilsjajo. To je navaden nateg.
In od kje tebi ideja da je kriptovaluta več vredna kot naprintan denar?
Mr.B ::
Sedaj to delajo prikrito, tako da ne poštudiraš takoj kaj zares počnejo.V pogodbo ob sklenitvi depozita torej zapišejo, da je obretna mera 10 %, čeprav je realna blizu 0? Ali kako po tvojem mnenju delajo to prikrito?
Prvič lažejo 1,5 % letni inflaciji, stanovanja so se pa v 3 letih podražila za 30 %. Tako ljudje ne opazijo, da dejansko denar mnogo hitreje izgublja na vrednosti, kot kažejo številke. Ampak, nima veze. Pozabi.
Jaz samo vem, da ko se začne bank run ne želim imeti na banki niti centa.
Sej je jasno napisano kako se racuna inflacija ter tudi kje so spremembe.
SuperKripto je izjavil:
Rezultat bo sicer zmeraj isti. Bogati bodo še bogatejši, revni še revnejši.
to je mozno samo zato, ker revni nasedajo, da je naprintan denar iz nic nekaj vreden. Bogati prepricajo revne, da tako vrednotijo in razmilsjajo. To je navaden nateg.
Z denarjem v elektronski obliki tipa maestro/vis/master card itd lahko grem v katerokoli trgovino in si kupim kolikor imam limita na kartici... S kripto valuto, micka pri 70tih zelo tezko to izvede, kaj sele razume da je bil vceraj kos kruha 0,00001 btc, danes pa 0,000005. Tudi ne vem, kako bi trgovina obravnavala te cenovne spremembe.
V obeh primerih, pa razen ce si elektronsko obliko denarja zamenjal za fizicno dobrino, ta denar ob razsutju sistem vreden tocno 0.
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spartanMB ::
Izredno na visokem nivoju za moje pojme napisano. Zanima me le če predlagaš kakšne tehnike za obvarovanje pred morebitnim "pokom", kakšni so tvoji načrti? Sam sem namreč še študent in imam kar nekaj svojega zasluženega denarja ob študijo. Vedno mi je zanimivo, poučno brat mnenja od ljudij, ki imajo več izkušenj ko jaz osebno. Hvala in Lp
Se vsekakor strinjam, da bo počilo, vprašanje kdaj.
Argumenti:
Poglej si volumen prometa na ETF-ih, ki so namenjeni shortanju (SQQQ, DOG, MYY, PSQ, SBB,...) - ta pametni že hedgajo. Poglej si, kdaj se je začel volumen povečevat. Vir: finance.yahoo.com ali pa TradingView.
S&P 500, Nasdaq (tudi ostali delniški indeksi) so na zgodovinsko najvišjih nivojih - na finance.yahoo.com si vklopi max časovno skalo na S&P 500, pa ti bo jasno, da je trg hudo pregret zaradi poceni denarja (kvantitativno sproščanje = tiskanje denarja)
Inflacija je že v teku - teh člankov imaš na netu ogromno, najdi tweete od Michael Burry-ja - to je tip, ki je pogruntal zadnji market crash 2008
Banke imajo spet hudo izpostavljenost, ker so vsi njihovi produkti nudeni končnim strankam z vzvodi s faktorjem do 25. Kar pomeni, da ponovno cel bančni sektor sloni na posojenem denarju. Najdi intervjuje s Steve Eisman - to je še eden od finančnih legend, ki so imeli energijo, da so šli na trg raziskat kaj se v resnici dogaja. By d mimo - tip je rekel, da ima tarčo za Big Short že izbrano - pa to je izjavil 2017. Ta pametni gradijo portfelj za crash nekaj let in so že v pozicijah nekaj let.
Cene nepremičnin gredo v nebo - še eden od znakov inflacije - ljudje bežijo v nepremičnine. Temu bi celo rekel prikriti indikator, veš, da se nekaj dogaja, razlogov ti pa nobeden ne zna povedati. Vsem je pa fino - greš na banko dobiš kredit, nepremičninarjem je fino, ker služijo - tile klinci itak nikoli ne bodo povedali realnega stanja na trgu. Vsem je fino. Narod spet jemlje kredite z variabilno obrestno mero, ker se z bankami vse težje dogovoriš za fixno OM. Zdajle si car, da ti da banka na 25+ let fixno OM. Kdaj smo to že videli - aja 2008 :)
Poceni denar - samo Slovenci imamo cca. 50 Mil EUR v bankah (članek kakšen teden nazaj v Financah). Ta denar ne kroži, ni v obtoku (ne dela) in je v interesu držav, da spravijo denar ven na trg. Kako to države naredijo? Z zmanjšanjem vrednosti denarja, višjimi obrestnimi merami zadolžitev. Pri nizkih obrestnih merah kuriš denar bank, ko so višje obrestne mere kuriš svoj denar. ;)
(Zaenkrat) izredno nizke obrestne mere na bankah. Sam sem predvidel cikle in sem se dogovoril za fixno obrestno mero. Ko, bo inflacija v polnem razmahu boš na banki spet gledal obrestne mere ranga 7+%. Islandija je zaradi plitkega trga gledala obrestne mere ranga 14+%. Super za vezavo, samo, če si šel po kredit aua.
Zadolževanje držav zaradi Covid-a je na nesprejemljivih nivojih. Poglej si nivo zadolževanja držav, ki izvozijo cca. 50% ali več - primer Nemčija. Kaj se zgodi, ko Nemci kihnejo - Slovenci zbolimo, ker smo preveč izpostavljeni nemškemu trgu. V interesu držav, ki imajo lastno valuto je, da povzročijo inflacijo, ker v tem primeru vrnejo bistveno manj denarja investitorjem (vrednostno), ki so jim denar posodili. Poglej si Nemčijo v 30. letih 20. stoletja, ko so vračali reparacije po 1. svetovni vojni, Madžarska v letih 2008 - 2015. Dobro bodo zvozile države, ki so obdržale lastne valute (delna kontrola nad fiskalno politiko). Mi, ki smo v EUR območju bomo fasali, big time.
Kako se bo zgodilo?
Se že dogaja - nepremičnine so najmočnejši indikator. Naslednji indikator so cene surovin - aluminij, platina, plastika (tudi že v polnem razmahu - pokliči kakšnega nabavnika v firmo). Cene logističnih storitev so poskočile x10. Vse te indikatorje primarno čuti gospodarstvo. Fizične osebe (zaenkrat) v manjši meri tudi - skozi zvišanje cen določenih dobrin in storitev.
Sam vidim naslednji tok dogodkov - do konca leta bodo delniški trgi zanihali, ampak ne še v panic mode-u. Naslednje leto market crash. Crypto se bo tekom poletja pobral, do konca leta mogoče še kakšen ATH. Pigs will fly. Naslednje leto, bo zabavno.
Potem se bo zgodil nek dogodek, ki ga bodo vsi krivili za crash - kot sedaj Elona za padec Bitcoina. To, da so vsi tehnični indikatorji kazali na padec BTC, to nobenega ne zanima, ker narod potrebuje krivca.
Vse ostalo so domine.
Kaj hočem povedati je, da indikatorji kažejo, da smo že v procesu crasha. Samo tega ne čutimo še na lastni koži - službe so, denar je, vikendi so fini, na Hrvaško bomo lahko šli na dopust. But the game is already on.
Popolnoma drugo vprašanje pa je, kako se zaščititi ;)
Inventorista ::
Jaz sem naredil 13.08.2020 en Muster Depot za štos. 5 Delnic! Trenutno na +34,56 % Zgleda prelahko, da bi bilo res.
Tip ma hudo teorijo. Verjamem, da je led tanek! Že od leta 2008 se samo flajštre lepi na rano.
Nekaj se definitvno dogaja. Hkrati pa pandemija!?
Če se teorija izkaže za fakt, kaj se zgodi s hipotekarnimi krediti s spremenljivo obrestno mero? A bi se morala obrestna mera povečevati? Kdor ne sfolga obrestni meri bo pač collateral za banke....
Tip ma hudo teorijo. Verjamem, da je led tanek! Že od leta 2008 se samo flajštre lepi na rano.
Nekaj se definitvno dogaja. Hkrati pa pandemija!?
Če se teorija izkaže za fakt, kaj se zgodi s hipotekarnimi krediti s spremenljivo obrestno mero? A bi se morala obrestna mera povečevati? Kdor ne sfolga obrestni meri bo pač collateral za banke....
Mr.B ::
Izredno na visokem nivoju za moje pojme napisano. Zanima me le če predlagaš kakšne tehnike za obvarovanje pred morebitnim "pokom", kakšni so tvoji načrti? Sam sem namreč še študent in imam kar nekaj svojega zasluženega denarja ob študijo. Vedno mi je zanimivo, poučno brat mnenja od ljudij, ki imajo več izkušenj ko jaz osebno. Hvala in Lp
Se vsekakor strinjam, da bo počilo, vprašanje kdaj.
Argumenti:
Poglej si volumen prometa na ETF-ih, ki so namenjeni shortanju (SQQQ, DOG, MYY, PSQ, SBB,...) - ta pametni že hedgajo. Poglej si, kdaj se je začel volumen povečevat. Vir: finance.yahoo.com ali pa TradingView.
S&P 500, Nasdaq (tudi ostali delniški indeksi) so na zgodovinsko najvišjih nivojih - na finance.yahoo.com si vklopi max časovno skalo na S&P 500, pa ti bo jasno, da je trg hudo pregret zaradi poceni denarja (kvantitativno sproščanje = tiskanje denarja)
Inflacija je že v teku - teh člankov imaš na netu ogromno, najdi tweete od Michael Burry-ja - to je tip, ki je pogruntal zadnji market crash 2008
Banke imajo spet hudo izpostavljenost, ker so vsi njihovi produkti nudeni končnim strankam z vzvodi s faktorjem do 25. Kar pomeni, da ponovno cel bančni sektor sloni na posojenem denarju. Najdi intervjuje s Steve Eisman - to je še eden od finančnih legend, ki so imeli energijo, da so šli na trg raziskat kaj se v resnici dogaja. By d mimo - tip je rekel, da ima tarčo za Big Short že izbrano - pa to je izjavil 2017. Ta pametni gradijo portfelj za crash nekaj let in so že v pozicijah nekaj let.
Cene nepremičnin gredo v nebo - še eden od znakov inflacije - ljudje bežijo v nepremičnine. Temu bi celo rekel prikriti indikator, veš, da se nekaj dogaja, razlogov ti pa nobeden ne zna povedati. Vsem je pa fino - greš na banko dobiš kredit, nepremičninarjem je fino, ker služijo - tile klinci itak nikoli ne bodo povedali realnega stanja na trgu. Vsem je fino. Narod spet jemlje kredite z variabilno obrestno mero, ker se z bankami vse težje dogovoriš za fixno OM. Zdajle si car, da ti da banka na 25+ let fixno OM. Kdaj smo to že videli - aja 2008 :)
Poceni denar - samo Slovenci imamo cca. 50 Mil EUR v bankah (članek kakšen teden nazaj v Financah). Ta denar ne kroži, ni v obtoku (ne dela) in je v interesu držav, da spravijo denar ven na trg. Kako to države naredijo? Z zmanjšanjem vrednosti denarja, višjimi obrestnimi merami zadolžitev. Pri nizkih obrestnih merah kuriš denar bank, ko so višje obrestne mere kuriš svoj denar. ;)
(Zaenkrat) izredno nizke obrestne mere na bankah. Sam sem predvidel cikle in sem se dogovoril za fixno obrestno mero. Ko, bo inflacija v polnem razmahu boš na banki spet gledal obrestne mere ranga 7+%. Islandija je zaradi plitkega trga gledala obrestne mere ranga 14+%. Super za vezavo, samo, če si šel po kredit aua.
Zadolževanje držav zaradi Covid-a je na nesprejemljivih nivojih. Poglej si nivo zadolževanja držav, ki izvozijo cca. 50% ali več - primer Nemčija. Kaj se zgodi, ko Nemci kihnejo - Slovenci zbolimo, ker smo preveč izpostavljeni nemškemu trgu. V interesu držav, ki imajo lastno valuto je, da povzročijo inflacijo, ker v tem primeru vrnejo bistveno manj denarja investitorjem (vrednostno), ki so jim denar posodili. Poglej si Nemčijo v 30. letih 20. stoletja, ko so vračali reparacije po 1. svetovni vojni, Madžarska v letih 2008 - 2015. Dobro bodo zvozile države, ki so obdržale lastne valute (delna kontrola nad fiskalno politiko). Mi, ki smo v EUR območju bomo fasali, big time.
Kako se bo zgodilo?
Se že dogaja - nepremičnine so najmočnejši indikator. Naslednji indikator so cene surovin - aluminij, platina, plastika (tudi že v polnem razmahu - pokliči kakšnega nabavnika v firmo). Cene logističnih storitev so poskočile x10. Vse te indikatorje primarno čuti gospodarstvo. Fizične osebe (zaenkrat) v manjši meri tudi - skozi zvišanje cen določenih dobrin in storitev.
Sam vidim naslednji tok dogodkov - do konca leta bodo delniški trgi zanihali, ampak ne še v panic mode-u. Naslednje leto market crash. Crypto se bo tekom poletja pobral, do konca leta mogoče še kakšen ATH. Pigs will fly. Naslednje leto, bo zabavno.
Potem se bo zgodil nek dogodek, ki ga bodo vsi krivili za crash - kot sedaj Elona za padec Bitcoina. To, da so vsi tehnični indikatorji kazali na padec BTC, to nobenega ne zanima, ker narod potrebuje krivca.
Vse ostalo so domine.
Kaj hočem povedati je, da indikatorji kažejo, da smo že v procesu crasha. Samo tega ne čutimo še na lastni koži - službe so, denar je, vikendi so fini, na Hrvaško bomo lahko šli na dopust. But the game is already on.
Popolnoma drugo vprašanje pa je, kako se zaščititi ;)
Ti pomagam z osnovami... IRS je objavil, da bo vse transakcije s kripto nad 10k$ ne samo belezil ampak tudi obdavcil, ter tako v letu racuna cca 1.7 triloncka $ izkopicka v davkih.
Ostali pa se vedno sanjate o teh kitajskih prepovedih.
Toliko o dosegu razumevanja avtorja besedila, zakaj pada " niti ne pove zakaj" ... top holderji btc-ja pa jim vrednost raste.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold
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