USA

Ja, Grenlandija je tudi v klimatskem pogledu kar ugodna.

Pac-Man je 4. jan 2017 ob 14:20 izjavil:

twitr dnevnik, 4.1.2017

https://twitter.com/NPRKelly/status/816...

US official to @NPR: Trump will be briefed on Russia this Friday by DNI Jim Clapper, CIA's Brennan, FBI's Comey and NSA's Rogers. 2/

Sami direktorji agencij. Morda ne najboljša izbira za razlago tehničnih detajlov, ampak ti bi šli Trumpu tako ali tako čez glavo, imajo pa gravitas, kar zna biti učinkovito. Po enem sestanku z generalom kar naenkrat ni več podpiral mučenja.

Kakorkoli, v petek bo precej bolj jasno, ali se nam obeta konflikt na relaciji ZDA-Rusija ali ameriški predsednik-ameriške agencije.

L. 2015 je verjel obveščevalcem na besedo in praktično govoril o vojni s Kitajsko. Kako binarno.

Trump je tak čuden osebek. Aroganten je toliko, da je dosegel stack overflow in mu je začel koristiti (volitve pa to), obenem pa menja mnenja hitreje kot spodnje perilo - in včasih celo na boljše.

Jasno je, da je pretiran konflikt s Kitajsko nepotreben. Kitajska je integrirana v svetovno gospodarstvo in nima razlogov za kak resnejši konflikt. Poleg tega je država na robu prepada in prehiter in preglobok padec Kitajske bi močno škodil vsem. Poleg tega je jasno, da je potrebno ruske apetite po življenjskem prostoru omejiti, sicer tvegamo bodisi odkrito vojno, bodisi okupacijo države ali dveh, genocid ali tri in razpad sistema, ki je v Evropi zaslužen za trajni mir in blaginjo. Rusija se bo sesedla sama vase, kot se je sesedla sama vase pred 25 in pred 100 leti (in pred 420, 560 in tako dalje), preprečiti je treba samo to, da pred tem ne bo naredila preveč škode. Obamina doktrina žolce je tu naredila veliko škode, Trumpova doktrina zalizovanja bi lahko bila še hujša.

Smrekar1 je 5. jan 2017 ob 08:56 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 4. jan 2017 ob 14:20 izjavil:

twitr dnevnik, 4.1.2017

https://twitter.com/NPRKelly/status/816...

US official to @NPR: Trump will be briefed on Russia this Friday by DNI Jim Clapper, CIA's Brennan, FBI's Comey and NSA's Rogers. 2/

Sami direktorji agencij. Morda ne najboljša izbira za razlago tehničnih detajlov, ampak ti bi šli Trumpu tako ali tako čez glavo, imajo pa gravitas, kar zna biti učinkovito. Po enem sestanku z generalom kar naenkrat ni več podpiral mučenja.

Kakorkoli, v petek bo precej bolj jasno, ali se nam obeta konflikt na relaciji ZDA-Rusija ali ameriški predsednik-ameriške agencije.

L. 2015 je verjel obveščevalcem na besedo in praktično govoril o vojni s Kitajsko. Kako binarno.

Trump je tak čuden osebek. Aroganten je toliko, da je dosegel stack overflow in mu je začel koristiti (volitve pa to), obenem pa menja mnenja hitreje kot spodnje perilo - in včasih celo na boljše.

Jasno je, da je pretiran konflikt s Kitajsko nepotreben. Kitajska je integrirana v svetovno gospodarstvo in nima razlogov za kak resnejši konflikt. Poleg tega je država na robu prepada in prehiter in preglobok padec Kitajske bi močno škodil vsem. Poleg tega je jasno, da je potrebno ruske apetite po življenjskem prostoru omejiti, sicer tvegamo bodisi odkrito vojno, bodisi okupacijo države ali dveh, genocid ali tri in razpad sistema, ki je v Evropi zaslužen za trajni mir in blaginjo. Rusija se bo sesedla sama vase, kot se je sesedla sama vase pred 25 in pred 100 leti (in pred 420, 560 in tako dalje), preprečiti je treba samo to, da pred tem ne bo naredila preveč škode. Obamina doktrina žolce je tu naredila veliko škode, Trumpova doktrina zalizovanja bi lahko bila še hujša.

no kdaj se bosta kitajska in rusija sesedli? ker isto ze nakladaš več let pa še ni nič od tega.

V mednarodni politiki je, za razliko od večine ostalih področij, nepredvidljivo precej pogosto dobro. To Trump dobro ve. Tip je marsikaj, ampak neumen dejansko ni. Ekscentričen, nepredvidljiv, sovražen do Muslimanov ... morda je to recept, ki ga potrebujemo, da se začnejo sranja a la ISIS reševati. Ker bo čez dobra 2 tedna postal predsednik lahko samo upamo, da bo njegov pristop dober.

Hvala bogu je precej manj ekscentričen kot polovica slo-techa.

ZaphodBB je 5. jan 2017 ob 09:32 izjavil:

Hvala bogu je precej manj ekscentričen kot polovica slo-techa.

Res je. To sicer ni kakšen posebno impresiven standard.

zmaugy je 5. jan 2017 ob 09:39 izjavil:

@Smrekar1: tista analogija z Jalto tudi mene skrbi, ker nazadnje smo se znašli na manj prijazni strani delitve interesnih sfer.

Da, zadeva je zoprna za vse tiste, ki se znajdejo na ruski strani. Na našo srečo bo meja zdaj gotovo precej vzhodneje, dlje od meja SZ zanesljivo ne bo prišla, tako da vsaj nas neposredno ne bo uničila. Posredno morda, neposredno pa vseeno ne.

Vseeno bi bil konflikt petelinov Trump-Putin boljši scenarij kot neko čudno mačp sobivanje.

Putin zelo dobro ve kaj pocne, saj je v politiki ze lep cas--Trump po drugi strani o politiki nima pojma, in ga Putin zdaj pere. Trump si pa domislja kako dober diplomat je. Tole bo se clusterfuck. Sicer bo Trump Putinu jedel iz roke, ampak pizdarija bo se orenk.

Predator X je 1. jan 2017 ob 23:09 izjavil:

Oh ja. USA itak vse obtožuje. Uničujejo države po vrsti in pobijajo civiliste po vsem svetu. Nemoralna država ("kao carji sveta")... Zjebejo gospodarstvo v SFRJ, krivijo druge (Srbe) in itak uničijo življenje mnogim. Ostal svet kleči pred njimi.

No, za Rusijo lhko trdimo isto. Vključno z masovnim pobijanjem civilistov.

Mimogrede, a ni priceless, da ameriški PREDSEDNIK in hkrati še REPUBLIKANEC javno izjavlja, da je bilo WMD v Iraku laž?

Kje je zdaj Thomass, kje so slo-tech desničarji in njihovo trabunjanje o WMD izpred let?

mtosev je 4. jan 2017 ob 17:00 izjavil:

jaz tudi upam,da mu ne bo uspelo

A rabiš kaj kakavčka v svojem safe-spejcu? Ti, ti grdi Trump!


Zid že stoji na delih meje, katere je težje varovati - npr. bližine mest.
In ugibaj... Ni ga grdi Trump postavil

Mexico%E2%80%93United States barrier @ Wikipedia

Glede na ekonomijo je Rusija že zdaj država tretjega sveta.

Velikost ekonomije ima namreč primerljivo z Italijo, populacijo pa z Bangladešem.

Edino, kar dela Rusijo pomembno je jedrsko orožje, brez njega bi bila samo ena velika tretje razvita država na ravni kakšne Moldavije ali Ukrajine. Oh wait, saj to je že zdaj.

Pač mit je trditev, da je Rusija supersila in ima močno ekonomijo. Ko pa pogledaš v detajle pa vidiš, da je to samo fikcija. Sploh ko pogledaš da več kot polovico ekonomije predsavlja izvoz nafte in plina ter drugih ogljikovodikov.



in pa ZDA



Ni dvoma, ekonomija ZDA je bolj diverzificirana in temu primerno bolj na zdravih temeljih. Ruska doživlja krizo od leta 2014, ko so se cene nafte prepolovile in se še do danes ni opomoglo.

In znana definicija tretjih držav je taka, da njihova ekonomija več ali manj predstavlja izvoz surovin, torej nanjižje stopnje v procedu od surovine do končnega izdelka in tudi temu primerno z najmanjšo dodano vrednostjo.

Kot je že Smrekar rekel, zlom Rusije se že zdaj dogaja in pomembno je, da se pred dokončnim zlomom poskrbi za to, da Rusija ne bo izvajala večjih pizdarij okrog sosed in sveta. Samo to, potem pa ukrepati in prevzeti dodatno rusko ozemlje, ustanoviti več neodvisnih držav, razdrobiti Rusijo na več držav, ki bodo bolje delovale, kot zdaj, ko je vsa oblast koncentrirana v Moskvi. Oh pa obvezno dismantliranje jedrskega orožja, da se ne bo zgodil ups moment, ko bi kakšna bomba izginila v napačne roke in se potem sprožila na neljubem kraju.

Po zlomu Sovjetske zveze je svet še poceni odnesel - država je razpadla, jedrsko orožje ni izginilo in tudi ni prišlo do državljanske vojne med starimi komunisti in mladimi reformisti. bilo pa je temu blizu.

Smrekca pa še vedno Rusijo sesuva. In to vase!
Heh. Heh.
Tema pa USA.
Heh.

Pac-Man je 5. jan 2017 ob 15:34 izjavil:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-r...

U.S. intelligence agencies obtained what they considered to be conclusive evidence after the November election that Russia provided hacked material from the Democratic National Committee to WikiLeaks through a third party, three U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

nisem preveč presenečen

zmaugy je 5. jan 2017 ob 09:51 izjavil:

@bleem: glede sesutja Rusije in Kitajske, demografsko v kakšnem desetletju ali dveh. Kitajci bodo demografsko v povprečju starejši od Američanov do konca tega desetletja. Zajebali so kolosalno s politiko enega otroka in so zdaj demografsko starajoč se narod.
Rusi so v še večjem k...u, do leta 2040 jih bo cca 120 milijonov (danes 144 milijonov). Američani so demografsko najbolj zdrava razvita nacija.

Seveda so ZDA mlada populacija. Problem je, da je polovica mladih prebivalcev latinosov, črncev in ostalih. Nekoč bodo belci manjšina in potem po moje ne bo več zdravih temeljev za velesilo. In ko dolar ne bo več glavna valuta sveta, pade tudi ameriško gospodarstvo.

In zaenkrat so muslimani v Rusiji dosti bolj sekularni, kot so drugje po Zahodu. Nekako tako, kot v stari Jugoslaviji. In bodo predstavljali dosti manjšo grožnjo, kakor arabski priseljenci na Zahod.

Rusi bodo sicer gospodarsko verjetno res šibkejši v prihodnosti, ampak sanje o tem, da jih bo nekdo razkosal, pozabite. Dolgo več ne bo kakšen Jelcin na krmilu Rusije.

https://twitter.com/NPRKelly/status/816...

NEW: Declassified version of intel report on Russia & hacking is scheduled to be released to public on Monday around 2pm~US official to @NPR

Računam, da bo boljše od tistega pred silvestrom. Tisto je dajalo vtis, da se jim resno mudi na zabave.

ostalo so mešani avtorji, vse pobrano z

https://twitter.com/20committee

Clapper says the FBI, CIA and NSA are all in agreement on assessment of Russian malicious cyber activities targeting the election

DNI Clapper: The mix of Russian propaganda, disinformation and fake news continues.

ONE MORE TIME: The issue isn't SIGINT -- it's weaponizing collection for propaganda purposes ie Active Measures.

Will you ascribe a motivation to Putin? Sen. Nelson asks
"Yes we will ascribe a motivation,” Clapper responds

Cruz breaks from Trump on Assange, saying he's done "enormous damage" to US security. "I would not be praising him under any circumstances."

še

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor...

Merkel Anticipates Frosty Relations with U.S.

Doubts are growing inside Angela Merkel's Chancellery that the incoming American president will mature and become a statesman. The chancellor is preparing for frosty trans-Atlantic relations while at the same time trying to pull Europe together.

...

Internally, she makes no secret of what she thinks about Trump's campaign. No other presidential candidate in the history of the United States has ever violated the rules of decency to the degree that Trump has. That's how Merkel sees it.

...

The more optimistic minds in the Chancellery still held the view in the days following Trump's election that the real estate tycoon could become a second Ronald Reagan. Reagan too showed a weakness for crudity. The moment in August 1984 remains memorable -- when, during a sound check prior to his weekly radio address, he jokingly said: "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

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It's not Trump's ideology that worries Merkel most. His opinions, after all, morph quickly, something that Merkel has experienced personally. As recently as August 2015, he said the German chancellor was "probably the greatest leader in the world today." Then the refugee crisis came and Trump said, "What she's done in Germany is insane. It's insane."

It's Trump's character that worries Merkel most, his craving to be loved and admired and his fury against all those who refuse to do so. Merkel has been in office for 11 years and she knows very well just how unstable the world order has become. "Many have the feeling that the world has been turned upside down," she said at the CDU's annual party conference at the beginning of December. It was a tone that one seldom hears from Angela Merkel.

...

Sources in the Chancellery say the most accurate Trump comparison is former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi -- a man who, even at his advanced age, tolerates no doubts about his virility and, like Trump, doesn't spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about manners.

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It's Merkel's belief that Trump is only impressed by strength. She found it appalling to watch former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney beg Trump for the secretary of state as though he were a candidate on some TV talent show even though, during the campaign, he had described Trump as a "phony" and "fraud" whose "promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University." In the end, Romney lost more than just the casting show -- he also lost his dignity.

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The messages that Merkel's emissaries have been given by Trump's people so far haven't been particularly encouraging. They have reported that the new president will make his decisions based solely on domestic policy considerations. His foreign policy will be dictated by how his decisions will be seen by voters at home.

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"To Trump, what matters is not if his decisions are coherent, but how they are perceived," says one diplomat who represented the German government in Washington.

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Even during his presidency, Barack Obama shifted much of the US focus to China and the Pacific region, largely leaving it to Merkel and the Europeans to deal with the Ukraine crisis. What assistance he did provide came in the form of supporting sanctions against Russia and preventing Congressional hawks from further heating up the conflict by providing U.S. weapons deliveries to Kiev.

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In both the Chancellery and the Defense Ministry there is hope that not even Trump would dare to shake the pillars of the postwar order. This optimism is based largely on Trump's decision to appoint General James Mattis as head of the Pentagon. A number of high-level German officers got to know Mattis in Afghanistan, where he served as brigadier general. They describe him as a straightforward officer not easily intimidated. Mattis is a champion of the trans-Atlantic alliance, having spent two years as the Supreme Allied Commander Transformation, one of NATO's highest posts. Sources in the German Defense Ministry say they believe that Mattis will make clear to the president the importance of Europe and the Western alliance.

Still, the government in Berlin is less hopeful when it comes to other appointments Trump has made. A number of German military personnel also got to know Trump's designated national security adviser, Michael Flynn, during the time he served as a senior staffer for American ISAF Commander Stanley McChrystal in Afghanistan. The verdict among German military officials is as unanimous as it is scathing. "At best, he is useful as a locomotive fire tender and not as a strategist," says one German military officer who has since retired.

In Kabul, Flynn was thought to care little about collateral damage. Whereas his boss McChrystal always took pains to avoid civilian losses, Flynn seemed less concerned about killing innocent Afghans. One German officer says it is little wonder that Flynn never succeeded in getting promoted from a three-star to a four-star general. Soon, though, he will be sitting in the White House, where he will be tasked with coordinating U.S. security policy. Officials in Berlin are certain that those policies will not be overly friendly toward the trans-Atlantic alliance.

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So, what can be done? The recognition is slowly sinking in across the continent that Europe in the past relied too heavily on the Americans and their military strength. At the EU summit in Brussels on Dec. 15, Merkel and her colleagues agreed to transfer a bit of sovereignty in defense matters that they had spent decades guarding zealously.

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EU member states currently spend around 230 billion euros a year on defense, about one-third of the United States' military budget. But that figure is misleading. "We have 154 different types of weapons in Europe," European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker is fond of saying. "That figure is 24 in the USA. That shows that we are spending our money on defense poorly." The Commission recently estimated that member states waste between 25 billion and 100 billion euros a year by not working together more closely. They now want to change that.

If Europe were to close ranks, then Trump's election would have at least one positive effect. During his time as secretary of state, Henry Kissinger once famously quipped, "Who do I call if I want to speak to Europe?" It's possible that the EU may soon finally have such a number -- thanks to Donald Trump.

Washington Times je približno toliko kredibilen vir, kot breitbart.

Če v članku niso navedeni preverljivi viri, potem gre za propagando.

Vprašaj koga, ki je živel v jugo kraljevini, kakšni so bili davki in kako se je živelo takrat. Kmetije so šle na boben zaradi zajedalskih davkov.

Gobec, ko pride do detajlov ga pa zmanjka. Zato verjetno zgornja McCainova izjava o letečih pujsih.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/jos...

“He said, ‘Look, I understand Putin and Russia is a playground bully and they only respect strength and you need to come from a position of strength to them or you are going to have a lot of problems,’” one senior Senate staffer who was not authorized to speak about the private meeting told me, paraphrasing Tillerson’s remarks. “He was at 30,000 feet and when pushed on sanctions, he wouldn’t fully endorse any particular direction.”

One senator who met with Tillerson, who did not want to publicly comment on the private meeting, told me that Tillerson made clear he understands the overall threat Russia poses to the United States and our allies. But Tillerson punted on all specific questions regarding the dispute between President-elect Donald Trump and the intelligence community over whether the Russian government interfered in the presidential election through hacking and other means.

“I said, ‘Do you see Russia as being involved in our elections? What are you willing to do about it? That’s my test for him,” the senator said. “The first thing he said basically is, “Let me get back to the Trump people.’”

Colt1911 je 5. jan 2017 ob 20:18 izjavil:

Rusi imajo to srečo , da imajo ogromno državo z ogromnimi naravnimi bogastvi , tako da industrije sploh ne rabijo. Če bodo pametni lahko samo ležijo , se praskajo po jajcih in kasirajo , tako kot USA best frendi KSA.

Zanimiva definicija "pameti".

Colt1911 je 5. jan 2017 ob 19:54 izjavil:

TESKAn je 4. jan 2017 ob 07:50 izjavil:

Vsem anti-EU predlagam, da se malo izobrazijo, katere države so skozi zgodovino bile na današnjem ozemlju Slovenije. Hint - ni bila Slovenija.
Brez EU bi bila naša država razdeljena med sosednje. Mi bi se pa bunili za manjšinjske pravice in sanjali o lastni državi. Kdor misli, da se to danes ne bi zgodilo, naj vpraša Ukrajince, kako kaj Krim.

Jaz pa ti predlagam , da se malo izobraziš katere države so nas v preteklih 1000 letih napadale , okupirale , izkoriščale naša naravna bogastva , nas zatirale , pobijale in potujčevale ter prepovedovale šolstvo v slovenskem jeziku Slovence.

In ne , to ni bila rusija , tudi srbija ne , ampak države današnje EU , ki nam še danes solijo pamet in nas učijo "demokracije" !

In ne , ne brez EU ampak brez Jugoslavije bi bila naša država razdeljena med sosednje glej ,glej EU države.
Očitno si še mlečen okrog ust in se ne spomniš kako še pred 15 leti italjani niso priznavali Osimskih sporazumov in so glasno izražali težnje po našem ozemlju , pa tudi avstrijci niso bili veliko boljši , da hrvatov niti ne omenjam.

In kaj misliš, da danes preprečuje državam, ki so nas "v preteklih 1000 letih napadale , okupirale , izkoriščale naša naravna bogastva , nas zatirale , pobijale in potujčevale ter prepovedovale šolstvo v slovenskem jeziku Slovence", da bi to delale danes? Misliš da bi Evropa brez EU imela mir od zadnje svetovne vojne?

Upam, da se boste jype, Pac-Man in Smrekar malo zamislili:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/was...

In the past six weeks, the Washington Post published two blockbuster stories about the Russian threat that went viral: one on how Russia is behind a massive explosion of "fake news," the other on how it invaded the U.S. electric grid. Both articles were fundamentally false. Each now bears a humiliating editor's note grudgingly acknowledging that the core claims of the story were fiction: The first note was posted a full two weeks later to the top of the original article; the other was buried the following day at the bottom.

Ampak hej. Važno, da ste s svojimi dejanji pripomogli, da je Obama lahko spravil skozi svojo zakonodajo o državno sponzorirani propagandi. In vse skupaj izročil v roke Trumpu. Čestitke.

Washington Times je približno toliko kredibilen vir, kot breitbart.

Če v članku niso navedeni preverljivi viri, potem gre za propagando.

Se pravi precej kredibilen - dokler navaja vire. Mimogrede, viri katere ti ponavadi razstavljaš naokrog so manj kredibilni od Breitbarta, pa še virov ne navajajo. Ampak so pa prave barve, to pa ja.

Se pa povsem strinjam, da nobeno poročilo brez preverljivih virov ni kredibilno. Razen, če gre za izjemno občutljivo tematiko in gre za izjemno kredibilnega avtorja. Katerih so pa danes zelo, zelo redki.

ZaphodBB je 6. jan 2017 ob 09:29 izjavil:

Upam, da se boste jype, Pac-Man in Smrekar malo zamislili:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/was...

In the past six weeks, the Washington Post published two blockbuster stories about the Russian threat that went viral: one on how Russia is behind a massive explosion of "fake news," the other on how it invaded the U.S. electric grid. Both articles were fundamentally false. Each now bears a humiliating editor's note grudgingly acknowledging that the core claims of the story were fiction: The first note was posted a full two weeks later to the top of the original article; the other was buried the following day at the bottom.

Ampak hej. Važno, da ste s svojimi dejanji pripomogli, da je Obama lahko spravil skozi svojo zakonodajo o državno sponzorirani propagandi. In vse skupaj izročil v roke Trumpu. Čestitke.

Povezave v članku ne potrjujejo zaključkov v njem.

Članek o tem kako je bil članek o lažnih novicah lažen je lažen. Avantgardno!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/jos...

The honeymoon seems to be ending between retired Gen. James N. Mattis and Donald Trump’s transition team amid an increasingly acrimonious dispute over who will get top jobs in the Defense Department — and who gets to make those decisions.

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Initially, both Mattis and the Trump team intended to engage in a collaborative process whereby Mattis would be given significant influence and participation in selecting top Pentagon appointees.

But the arrangement started going south only two weeks later when Mattis had to learn from the news media that Trump had selected Vincent Viola, a billionaire Army veteran, to be secretary of the Army, one source close to the transition said.

“Mattis was furious,” said the source. “It made him suspicious of the transition team, and things devolved from there.”

Mattis bo verjetno dober kanarček. Če kolikor toliko zadovoljen zdrži na svoji poziciji zna Trump svoj mandat končati. Drugače sta 2 možnosti

1) totalni clusterfuck, lahko začnete kar kopat za jedrski bunker
2) predsednik Pence

https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/817...

If you think everything Trump says is a meticulously crafted distraction, you're not going to make it through the next four years.

Trump is shallow. Trump is vain. Trump is an egotistical shell. He's not a mastermind. The danger lies in his ability to be manipulated

It's like a magic trick. If you're looking for distractions you're going to miss what's happening, and that's that he's swayable.

Not to mention, you're searching desperately for rational in an irrational place. It will drive you literally insane.

Read what he says. Learn what he's insecure about, what his triggers are. Don't dismiss the information he's offering. It's useful.

Trump isn't worried about the intel briefing today. Men like him don't worry. They're so self-involved it'd never occur to them to worry

Even if Trump were guilty of something, he believes his own lies. He's convinced himself he's never done anything wrong.

There's a difference between paying attention and obsessing to the point of not covering news. Make sure you're in the former.

Takole, tole je končno poročilo za javnost. Prepričalo ne bo nikogar, ker ni TS materiala, samo zaključki.

vseeno

Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections (PDF, 25 str.)

The Intelligence Community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its knowledge or the precise bases for its assessments, as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the future.

Thus, while the conclusions in the report are all reflected in the classified assessment, the declassified report does not and cannot include the full supporting information, including specific intelligence and sources and methods.

We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.

morda najbolj zanimiv detajl

Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals.

Nič uradnega, ampak vpleteni naj bi slavili uspešen projekt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na...

Pri tem naj bi trumpa nazivali z пездюк/pezdyuk, lahko se prevede v pizdetka. Zna bit konec ljubezni, še preden se je prav začela. :D

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/...

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We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.

We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.

Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.

Putin, Russian officials, and other pro-Kremlin pundits stopped publicly criticizing the US election process as unfair almost immediately after the election because Moscow probably assessed it would be counterproductive to building positive relations.

Before the election, Russian diplomats had publicly denounced the US electoral process and were prepared to publicly call into question the validity of the results. Pro-Kremlin bloggers had prepared a Twitter campaign, #DemocracyRIP, on election night in anticipation of Secretary Clinton’s victory, judging from their social media activity.

We assess with high confidence that the GRU used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets.

Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an independent Romanian hacker, made multiple contradictory statements and false claims about his likely Russian identity throughout the election. Press reporting suggests more than one person claiming to be Guccifer 2.0 interacted with journalists.
Content that we assess was taken from e-mail accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016 appeared on DCLeaks.com starting in June.

We assess with high confidence that the GRU relayed material it acquired from the DNC and senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks. Moscow most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self-proclaimed reputation for authenticity. Disclosures through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries.

A prominent target since the 2016 Summer Olympics has been the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), with leaks that we assess to have originated with the GRU and that have involved data on US athletes.

Russia collected on some Republican-affiliated targets but did not conduct a comparable disclosure campaign.

Russia’s state-run propaganda machine—comprised of its domestic media apparatus, outlets targeting global audiences such as RT and Sputnik, and a network of quasi-government trolls—contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences. State-owned Russian media made increasingly favorable comments about President-elect Trump as the 2016 US general and primary election campaigns progressed while consistently offering negative coverage of Secretary Clinton.

On 6 August, RT published an English-language video called “Julian Assange Special: Do WikiLeaks Have the E-mail That’ll Put Clinton in Prison?” and an exclusive interview with Assange entitled “Clinton and ISIS Funded by the Same Money.” RT’s most popular video on Secretary Clinton, “How 100% of the Clintons’ ‘Charity’ Went to…Themselves,” had more than 9 million views on social media platforms. RT’s most popular English language video about the President-elect, called “Trump Will Not Be Permitted To Win,” featured Assange and had 2.2 million views.

Russia used trolls as well as RT as part of its influence efforts to denigrate Secretary Clinton. This effort amplified stories on scandals about Secretary Clinton and the role of WikiLeaks in the election campaign.

in par strani zlivanja gnojevke na RT (America)

o volitvah l. 2012, zgleda kopirano iz nekega poročila iz l. 2013, lenobe:

In the runup to the 2012 US presidential election in November, English-language channel RT America -- created and financed by the Russian Government and part of Russian Government-sponsored RT TV (see textbox 1) -- intensified its usually critical coverage of the United States. The channel portrayed the US electoral process as undemocratic and featured calls by US protesters for the public to rise up and "take this government back."

RT introduced two new shows -- "Breaking the Set" on 4 September and "Truthseeker" on 2 November -- both overwhelmingly focused on criticism of US and Western governments as well as the promotion of radical discontent.

From August to November 2012, RT ran numerous reports on alleged US election fraud and voting machine vulnerabilities, contending that US election results cannot be trusted and do not reflect the popular will.

RT aired a documentary about the Occupy Wall Street movement on 1, 2, and 4 November. RT framed the movement as a fight against "the ruling class" and described the current US political system as corrupt and dominated by corporations. RT advertising for the documentary featured Occupy movement calls to "take back" the government. The documentary claimed that
the US system cannot be changed democratically, but only through "revolution." After the 6 November US presidential election, RT aired a documentary called "Cultures of Protest," about active and often violent political resistance (RT, 1-10 November).

Simonyan has characterized RT's coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement as "information warfare" that is aimed at promoting popular dissatisfaction with the US Government. RT created a Facebook app to connect Occupy Wall Street protesters via social media. In addition, RT featured its own hosts in Occupy rallies ("Minaev Live," 10 April)

According to market research company Nielsen, RT had the most rapid growth (40 percent) among all international news channels in the United States over the past year (2012). Its audience in New York tripled and in Washington DC grew by 60% (Kommersant, 4 July).

poweroff je 7. jan 2017 ob 08:35 izjavil:

Hmm, ne razumem čisto v čem je problem?

Putin se je vmešal v ameriške volitve in nastavil mandžurskega kandidata, hkrati pa sami napišejo, da naj bi bil motiv za to ameriško vmešavanje v volitve in demokratično revolucijo v Ukrajini, ki je v Ruski vplivni coni?

Problem je RT, na CNN in njihov embedded journalism iz časa iraške vojne so pa pozabili?

Pač so še ZDA dobile malo svojega zdravila, ali kaj je zdaj težava?

Ja, ma ne razumeš: Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.
To je politika "ameriške izvzetnosti", s katero odprto opletajo okoli ameriški neo-coni ala Olbright, Clinton, itd, itd. Mi lahko, vi pa ne. In temu je sedaj prišel konec in sedaj cepetajo z nogicami in spastično krivijo svoje nemočne rokice in se derejo kot otroci v vrtcu.

Donald bo v času svojega mandata poizkusil maksimizirati ritobole svojih nasprotnikov. Trola z guštom. Ni novinec in z dodatno vajo bo postal še spretnejši v tem.

Zato bo še peklo - mogoče celo dva mandata.

Namreč, posel predsednika nobene države ni tako zapleten v smislu tehnikalij, da ga en Donald ne bi mogel zlahka opravljati. Aufbix poteze samo še olajšajo zadeve, ker prihranijo čas in ker imaš na vseh vodilnih položajih pogosto ljudi, ki govorijo posebno govorico namigov, ki jo navadni ljudje kot so Bernie ali Obama (in začuda ne Hillary) ne zaznavajo in jo napačno interpretirajo. Mogoče je to "neobvladanje jezika" krivo, da je toliko ljudi zgrešilo v napovedih nečesa zelo očitnega. Namesto tega se potem zatečejo v neskončno argumentiranje in pokroviteljstvo. Sliši se šokantno ampak tovrstno argumentiranje je precej očitna demonstracija podložnosti (trop pa te fore). Ja, vse skupaj je v bistvu klasičen problem komunikacije. Ampak jebi ga, tako imamo.

Saj iz tega razloga je bil Donnie vedno sorazmerno priljubljena javna osebnost. Poleg tega veliko ljudi rado vidi trpljenje raznih "bernijev" in jim bo s tem polepšal marsikateri dan, če to ni vredno mandata, ne vem kaj je. Schadenfreude je v resnici evolucijsko ohranjena kohezivna lastnost, ne da se je odstraniti.


Še bo peklo.

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