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[D]emon ::

Da bodo najbolj najebali tisti, ki so volili Trumpa, je jasno vsakemu s kanckom soli v glavi. Demokrati so povecini izobrazen srednji sloj, primarno belci, za njih se ne spremeni nic. Trump pa je s svojo kampanjo apeliral predvsem na nizji sloj--in oni bodo najbolj najebal ce izpolni tudi samo 10% tega kar je v kampanji obljubljal.
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Unilseptij ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Takole, tole je končno poročilo za javnost. Prepričalo ne bo nikogar, ker ni TS materiala, samo zaključki.

vseeno

Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections (PDF, 25 str.)

The Intelligence Community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its knowledge or the precise bases for its assessments, as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the future.

Thus, while the conclusions in the report are all reflected in the classified assessment, the declassified report does not and cannot include the full supporting information, including specific intelligence and sources and methods.

We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.

morda najbolj zanimiv detajl

Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals.

Nič uradnega, ampak vpleteni naj bi slavili uspešen projekt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na...

Pri tem naj bi trumpa nazivali z пездюк/pezdyuk, lahko se prevede v pizdetka. Zna bit konec ljubezni, še preden se je prav začela. :D

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/...

gremo naprej

We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.

We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.

Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.

Putin, Russian officials, and other pro-Kremlin pundits stopped publicly criticizing the US election process as unfair almost immediately after the election because Moscow probably assessed it would be counterproductive to building positive relations.

Before the election, Russian diplomats had publicly denounced the US electoral process and were prepared to publicly call into question the validity of the results. Pro-Kremlin bloggers had prepared a Twitter campaign, #DemocracyRIP, on election night in anticipation of Secretary Clinton’s victory, judging from their social media activity.

We assess with high confidence that the GRU used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets.

Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an independent Romanian hacker, made multiple contradictory statements and false claims about his likely Russian identity throughout the election. Press reporting suggests more than one person claiming to be Guccifer 2.0 interacted with journalists.
Content that we assess was taken from e-mail accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016 appeared on DCLeaks.com starting in June.

We assess with high confidence that the GRU relayed material it acquired from the DNC and senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks. Moscow most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self-proclaimed reputation for authenticity. Disclosures through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries.

A prominent target since the 2016 Summer Olympics has been the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), with leaks that we assess to have originated with the GRU and that have involved data on US athletes.

Russia collected on some Republican-affiliated targets but did not conduct a comparable disclosure campaign.

Russia’s state-run propaganda machine—comprised of its domestic media apparatus, outlets targeting global audiences such as RT and Sputnik, and a network of quasi-government trolls—contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences. State-owned Russian media made increasingly favorable comments about President-elect Trump as the 2016 US general and primary election campaigns progressed while consistently offering negative coverage of Secretary Clinton.

On 6 August, RT published an English-language video called “Julian Assange Special: Do WikiLeaks Have the E-mail That’ll Put Clinton in Prison?” and an exclusive interview with Assange entitled “Clinton and ISIS Funded by the Same Money.” RT’s most popular video on Secretary Clinton, “How 100% of the Clintons’ ‘Charity’ Went to…Themselves,” had more than 9 million views on social media platforms. RT’s most popular English language video about the President-elect, called “Trump Will Not Be Permitted To Win,” featured Assange and had 2.2 million views.

Russia used trolls as well as RT as part of its influence efforts to denigrate Secretary Clinton. This effort amplified stories on scandals about Secretary Clinton and the role of WikiLeaks in the election campaign.


in par strani zlivanja gnojevke na RT (America)

o volitvah l. 2012, zgleda kopirano iz nekega poročila iz l. 2013, lenobe:

In the runup to the 2012 US presidential election in November, English-language channel RT America -- created and financed by the Russian Government and part of Russian Government-sponsored RT TV (see textbox 1) -- intensified its usually critical coverage of the United States. The channel portrayed the US electoral process as undemocratic and featured calls by US protesters for the public to rise up and "take this government back."

RT introduced two new shows -- "Breaking the Set" on 4 September and "Truthseeker" on 2 November -- both overwhelmingly focused on criticism of US and Western governments as well as the promotion of radical discontent.

From August to November 2012, RT ran numerous reports on alleged US election fraud and voting machine vulnerabilities, contending that US election results cannot be trusted and do not reflect the popular will.

RT aired a documentary about the Occupy Wall Street movement on 1, 2, and 4 November. RT framed the movement as a fight against "the ruling class" and described the current US political system as corrupt and dominated by corporations. RT advertising for the documentary featured Occupy movement calls to "take back" the government. The documentary claimed that
the US system cannot be changed democratically, but only through "revolution." After the 6 November US presidential election, RT aired a documentary called "Cultures of Protest," about active and often violent political resistance (RT, 1-10 November).

Simonyan has characterized RT's coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement as "information warfare" that is aimed at promoting popular dissatisfaction with the US Government. RT created a Facebook app to connect Occupy Wall Street protesters via social media. In addition, RT featured its own hosts in Occupy rallies ("Minaev Live," 10 April)

According to market research company Nielsen, RT had the most rapid growth (40 percent) among all international news channels in the United States over the past year (2012). Its audience in New York tripled and in Washington DC grew by 60% (Kommersant, 4 July).

Kakšen bunch of bullshit. Kako si sploh upajo tako poročilo objavit. Očitno nimajo čisto nič, tole je že prav patetično jokcanje, ki nima nobene realne podlage. Prav žal mi je, da bo Obama zaključil mandat na tak način...

Karaya 52 ::

[D]emon je izjavil:

Da bodo najbolj najebali tisti, ki so volili Trumpa, je jasno vsakemu s kanckom soli v glavi. Demokrati so povecini izobrazen srednji sloj, primarno belci, za njih se ne spremeni nic. Trump pa je s svojo kampanjo apeliral predvsem na nizji sloj--in oni bodo najbolj najebal ce izpolni tudi samo 10% tega kar je v kampanji obljubljal.


Kakšne pa ti klamfaš... Trump je pobral glasove belih žensk in moških oz. belcev/belk s srednješolsko/visokošolsko izobrazbo. Plus večino glasov vseh ki zaslužijo nad 50.000 USD letno. V resnici je ravno obratno kot praviš. Jaja, demokratske metamfetamine bo potrebno dat na stran pa raje vazelin v roke vzet. Zid in Guantanamo sta že napovedana. Prihaja še več. Stay tuned.

maco-maco ::

Kaj?

Cervantes ::

Colt1911 je izjavil:

TESKAn je izjavil:

Vsem anti-EU predlagam, da se malo izobrazijo, katere države so skozi zgodovino bile na današnjem ozemlju Slovenije. Hint - ni bila Slovenija.
Brez EU bi bila naša država razdeljena med sosednje. Mi bi se pa bunili za manjšinjske pravice in sanjali o lastni državi. Kdor misli, da se to danes ne bi zgodilo, naj vpraša Ukrajince, kako kaj Krim.


Jaz pa ti predlagam , da se malo izobraziš katere države so nas v preteklih 1000 letih napadale , okupirale , izkoriščale naša naravna bogastva , nas zatirale , pobijale in potujčevale ter prepovedovale šolstvo v slovenskem jeziku Slovence.

In ne , to ni bila rusija , tudi srbija ne , ampak države današnje EU , ki nam še danes solijo pamet in nas učijo "demokracije" ! ;(

In ne , ne brez EU ampak brez Jugoslavije bi bila naša država razdeljena med sosednje glej ,glej EU države.
Očitno si še mlečen okrog ust in se ne spomniš kako še pred 15 leti italjani niso priznavali Osimskih sporazumov in so glasno izražali težnje po našem ozemlju , pa tudi avstrijci niso bili veliko boljši , da hrvatov niti ne omenjam.

Slovenija je bila zadnjih 900 let, preden so nas "osrečili" z Jugoslavijo, del Habsburške monarhije.
Ki je bila skozi vso svojo zgodovino precej stabilna in po svoje občasno tudi napredna državna tvorba. In na žalost smo bili v WWI poraženi, Slovenija pa je izgubila 2/3 nacionalnega teritorija. In postala del Balkana.
Toliko o tem.
Vse za vero, dom, Cesarja!

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jype ::

Cervantes> Slovenija je bila zadnjih 900 let, preden so nas "osrečili" z Jugoslavijo, del Habsburške monarhije.

Tudi pod Francozi smo smeli uporabljati lasten jezik in se kot nacionalistični idioti radi spominjamo tistega časa - pa je bil za večino prebivalcev precej bolj zoprn kot je danes.

Cervantes> Vse za vero, dom, Cesarja!

Jaz se glede tega strinjam z židi:

ZaphodBB ::

Problem je RT, na CNN in njihov embedded journalism iz časa iraške vojne so pa pozabili?

Najbolj smešno je to, da so Rusi vložili ful denarja v širjenje propagande. Na koncu pa so jih povsem nadigrali CNN, CNBC, CBS, WaPo, NYT,...

Glede na temo, mene skrbi, da so omenjeni mediji povsem infiltrirani od ruskih operativcev. Ker drugače težko razložiš zakaj so se tako zagriženo borili proti Hillary.


Jaz se glede tega strinjam z židi:

Multikulti za vse razen za Izrael? Right. Pa za elitne bele soseske v katerih živi Jype.


Slovenija je bila zadnjih 900 let, preden so nas "osrečili" z Jugoslavijo, del Habsburške monarhije.
Ki je bila skozi vso svojo zgodovino precej stabilna in po svoje občasno tudi napredna državna tvorba. In na žalost smo bili v WWI poraženi, Slovenija pa je izgubila 2/3 nacionalnega teritorija. In postala del Balkana.
Toliko o tem.
Vse za vero, dom, Cesarja!

Cesarja nazaj!
"Naši dedje so se borili za to, da lahko odločamo
o lastni usodi - ne o usodi drugih ljudi." -jype

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Mr.B ::

ZaphodBB je izjavil:

Problem je RT, na CNN in njihov embedded journalism iz časa iraške vojne so pa pozabili?

Najbolj smešno je to, da so Rusi vložili ful denarja v širjenje propagande. Na koncu pa so jih povsem nadigrali CNN, CNBC, CBS, WaPo, NYT,...

Glede na temo, mene skrbi, da so omenjeni mediji povsem infiltrirani od ruskih operativcev. Ker drugače težko razložiš zakaj so se tako zagriženo borili proti Hillary.

Le zakaj, če njihovi lastniki nadzirajo večino medijev.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

ZaphodBB ::


Le zakaj, če njihovi lastniki nadzirajo večino medijev.

Kdo, lastniki rusov? Dude, you are incoherent again.
"Naši dedje so se borili za to, da lahko odločamo
o lastni usodi - ne o usodi drugih ljudi." -jype

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Mr.B ::

ZaphodBB je izjavil:


Le zakaj, če njihovi lastniki nadzirajo večino medijev.

Kdo, lastniki rusov? Dude, you are incoherent again.

Sej vem, Nr.1 medij v Sloveniji je Rt, temu pa takoj sledi China News... 24kur je tam verjetno tik za Severna Koreja News.
Ignoranca JS, da poskrbi za lastno pokojnino,
je neodgovorna. Ampak sej veste jamrati po toči je...

TESKAn ::

In na žalost smo bili v WWI poraženi, Slovenija pa je izgubila 2/3 nacionalnega teritorija.

Kako lahko izgubiš nekaj, česar niti nimaš?
Uf! Uf! Je rekel Vinetou in se skril za skalo, ki jo je prav v ta namen nosil s seboj.

ZaphodBB ::

Kako lahko izgubiš nekaj, česar niti nimaš?

Saj tudi Avstrijci niso imeli, pa imajo isto Avstrijo.
"Naši dedje so se borili za to, da lahko odločamo
o lastni usodi - ne o usodi drugih ljudi." -jype

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/...

GOP's extreme conspiracy wing claims that all 17 intel agencies just working for Obama, so ignore their findings:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/...

This is the Bolton/Gaffney kook brigade. They need intelligence to be "post-truth" and "political" to support their anti-Islam fever dreams.

It is political arson to claim that 17 agencies are "in the bag" for the executive branch. It de-legitimizes them. Which for Putin...

Pac-Man ::

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-r...

President-elect Donald Trump accepts the U.S. intelligence community's conclusion that Russia engaged in cyber attacks affecting the U.S. presidential election and may take actions in response, his incoming chief of staff said on Sunday.

Reince Priebus said Trump believes Russia was behind the intrusions into the Democratic Party organizations, though he did not clarify whether the president-elect agreed that the hacks were directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"He accepts the fact that this particular case was entities in Russia so that's not the issue," Priebus said on "Fox News Sunday."

...

Priebus, the former Republican National Committee chairman who Trump picked to be his chief of staff, said Trump plans to order the intelligence community to make recommendations as to what should be done. "Action may be taken," he said, adding there was nothing wrong with trying to have a good relationship with Russia and other countries.

Pac-Man ::

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[D]emon ::

Izraelci so tko multikulti da glava pece. /s
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Smrekar1 ::

Matthai je izjavil:


Putin se je vmešal v ameriške volitve in nastavil mandžurskega kandidata, hkrati pa sami napišejo, da naj bi bil motiv za to ameriško vmešavanje v volitve in demokratično revolucijo v Ukrajini, ki je v Ruski vplivni coni?


Lahko prosim citiraš mednarodno pogodbo, ki da Ukrajino v rusko vplivno cono in definira meje te vplivne cone?

Matthai ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Lahko prosim citiraš mednarodno pogodbo, ki da Ukrajino v rusko vplivno cono in definira meje te vplivne cone?

Ja, točno tista, ki daje Izraelu pravico graditve na Zahodnem bregu pa ZDA vmešavanje v vojno v Iraku.

Dajmo malo razmišljat, no. Krimski polotok je za Rusijo pač strateška točka. Hint: podmornice in ladje.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain...
Time to die.

Smrekar1 ::

Matthai je izjavil:


Ja, točno tista, ki daje Izraelu pravico graditve na Zahodnem bregu pa ZDA vmešavanje v vojno v Iraku.


Prva ne obstaja, druga ne omenja Rusije.. kako točno to deluje?

Dajmo malo razmišljat, no. Krimski polotok je za Rusijo pač strateška točka. Hint: podmornice in ladje.


Strateška točka je tudi za Turčijo, Ukrajino in še koga. Katera pogoba daje Rusiji ekskluzivne pravice do polotoka?

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Matthai ::

Nobena pogodba jim ne daje pravice. Zato pa so si "pravico" sami vzeli s silo. Enako kot ZDA in kdorkoli drug.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain...
Time to die.

Smrekar1 ::

Matthai je izjavil:

Nobena pogodba jim ne daje pravice.


No fino. Upam, da se s tem končajo nabijanja o tem kako je Ukrajina del ruske interesne cone.

Pac-Man ::

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/j...

Two of Donald Trump’s fiercest GOP critics on Tuesday will release a bipartisan bill to increase sanctions on Russia over its meddling in November’s presidential election.

Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina are set to unveil the measure at an afternoon press conference with Democratic Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland, the bill’s chief sponsor, and seven other co-sponsors, including Republicans Marco Rubio of Florida, Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Rob Portman of Ohio.

...

The new sanctions would impose visa bans and freeze the assets of "those who undermine the cybersecurity of public or private infrastructure and democratic institutions," according to a summary of the legislation. It would also impose sanctions on transactions with the Russian defense and intelligence sectors, potentially making it harder for banks to do business with the Russian military and spy agencies.

In addition, the measure would codify Obama-era sanctions on Russia, imposed in response to the country’s election meddling and its 2014 annexation of Crimea. The measure would prohibit any action that implies recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea.

And it would authorize $100 million for the State Department and other U.S. agencies to fight Russian propaganda, including by supporting programs to counter “fake news,” among other provisions.

...

But even if the measure were to become law, there is little Congress could do to force the Trump administration to implement the new sanctions if it doesn’t want to, as Cardin acknowledged in an interview. Cardin, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, explained that the measure would likely include what’s called a “national security waiver,” a provision typically included in sanctions bills that allows the president to waive the sanctions if doing so is in the interests of the United States.

“There's separation of branches of government that you have to respect,” Cardin said. “We are not the enforcing arm. We set the policy, but the president has the responsibility to carry out the laws that we've passed. There's ways that we can provide for accountability, but we don't impose sanctions. It's done by the administration.”


Kooooookice.

dice7 ::

Se Dončijeva ekipa se je nehala delat norca
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSK...

"He accepts the fact that this particular case was entities in Russia, so that's not the issue," Priebus said on "Fox News Sunday."

It was the first acknowledgment from a senior member of the Republican president-elect's team that Trump had accepted that Russia directed the hacking and subsequent disclosure of Democratic emails during the 2016 presidential election.

Pac-Man ::

Odprto pismo Donaldu Trumpu, podpisani

Traian Băsescu
Paweł Kowal
Carl Bildt
Janusz Onyszkiewicz
Mikuláš Dzurinda
Rosen Plevneliev
Mátyás Eörsi
Karel Schwarzenberg
Iulian Fota
Radosław Sikorski
István Gyarmati
Petras Vaitiekūnas
Toomas Hendrik Ilves
Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga
Rasa Juknevičienė
Alexandr Vondra
Ojārs Ēriks Kalniņš


https://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2...

We—decision-makers and public figures from across Europe—welcome your election as America’s 45th president. We are eager to work with your administration to sustain our powerful transatlantic Alliance, jointly defending our way of life at a time of great peril. Russia’s continuing efforts to destabilize Ukraine, and its illegal annexation of Crimea, threaten the peace, predictability and security that Americans and Europeans created together through our victory in the Cold War. We are concerned that the prospect of a new grand bargain with Russia will endanger this historic achievement.

It would be a grave mistake to end the current sanctions on Russia or accept the division and subjugation of Ukraine. Doing so would demoralize those seeking a Euro-Atlantic orientation for that country. It would also destabilize our Eastern neighborhood economically and give heart to extremist, oligarchic and anti-Western elements there.

...

Have no doubt: Vladimir Putin is not America’s ally. Neither is he a trustworthy international partner. Both of the presidents who preceded you tried in their own ways to deal with Russia’s leadership in the spirit of trust and friendship. Big mistake: Putin treated their good intentions as opportunities.

Under Putin, Russia’s record of militarism, wars, threats, broken treaties and false promises have made Europe a more dangerous place.

...

A deal with Putin will not bring peace. On the contrary, it makes war more likely. Putin views concessions as a sign of weakness. He will be inclined to test American credibility in frontline NATO allies, such as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. He may use not only military intimidation, but also cyber-attacks, energy and economic pressure, espionage, psychological warfare, disinformation and the targeted use of bribery. As Russia’s neighbors, we are familiar with these techniques. Countering them requires greater strength, solidarity and resolve from the West—not more accommodation.

...

We appeal to our American friends to strengthen, not weaken our transatlantic ties. Ukraine needs support; the frontline states need your constancy and resolve. And most of all, Russia must see that when we are attacked, we grow stronger, not weaker.

Matthai ::

Heh:

Under Bush adn Obama, USA record of militarism, wars, threats, broken treaties and false promises have made Middle East a more dangerous place.

Fixd!
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain...
Time to die.

next3steps ::

He may use not only military intimidation, but also cyber-attacks

A je kaka razlika med Putinom in EU ter USA?
Ah, Putin koristi svojo cyberznanost nad svojimi političnimi nasprotniki, ta druga dva pa še poleg tega tudi nad neznanimi letečimi predmeti also known as navadnimi državljani.
Nisem ravno Pro-Putin, sam jajc mi pa EU tudi ne rabi prodajat.

dice7 ::

Res je, Putinu ni treba vohunit za svojimi drzavljani ker mu to itak ze zakon omogoca

mtosev ::


ta tip bo predsednik usa.žalostno
i like:) [Dell Inspiron 13 7000 - i7 6500U, 8gb ddr3l, 256gb samsung, ips fhd]
moj oče darko 1960-2016
moj labradorec max 2002-2013

Pac-Man ::

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings

Starting now: Intelligence agency directors testify to Senate Intel Cmtte on Russia's Role in Election-Year Hacking
https://www.c-span.org/video/?421334-1/...

@MarcoRubio making a great point: this is "active measures" via hacking. The interesting thing is the active measures, not the hacking.

And another great point by @marcorubio. Putin's not interested in helping Republicans. To extent he supports Trump, it is a means to an end.

Dir-FBI Comey says Republicans at state level and old RNC domains were targeted & hacked, but no evidence RNC or Trump campaign was hacked.

Sen @MartinHeinrich expanding on Rubio's point: "at the next election, the shoe may be on the other foot".

Sen @MartinHeinrich also saying need to better protect voter registration databases. It wasn't abused this time != won't be abused next time

Sen @RoyBlunt repeating Assange's discredited nonsense that Podesta's email password was "password1".

And says "BBC also state funded" (sort of - its income is via separate levy on people with TVs and UK govt has no editorial control on BBC)

Clapper: Russia has conducted election influence campaigns in "at least a couple dozen" other countries.

@Sen_JoeManchin: ... IC say the election outcome wasn't altered. Clapper: I have to correct you. We didn't assess that. It's not our remit.

@Sen_JoeManchin also brought up NSA had a different confidence level on one aspect of report. Clapper said will discuss in closed session

@SenatorBurr asks a very good Q whether this campaign *started* with Putin's direction, or whether it was taken over later

Clapper seems to imply this was directed from the top ever since 2014, with more details for the classified session.

Smrekar1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/j...

Kooooookice.


Morda kaj vemo kako napreduje srečanje Trumpa in Putina v Sloveniji?

Ta dva se morata čimveč pogovarjati, to je namreč najboljši način kako se bosta zasovražila. Čim prej tem bolje.

Matako ::

Kar upajte. Skupaj bosta igrala golf, streljala puške, grabila za pizde in načrtovala vaše nove ritobole! Še bo peklo.

Ampak vse skupaj je opcijsko: v resnici je veliko lažje odklopiti od dnevnega dogajanja. Ni res, da nimate izbire in da "morate" spremljati.

ODKLOPIM
/\/\.K.

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Pepca*Kardelj ::

The Guardian: "Pomilovanja vredna žalostna zapuščina Obame".

Eh - važno, da je sedaj konec s tem, pravim jaz. :)

Heavy ::

http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/trump-navedbe...

Portal Buzzfeed je tako poročala, da naj bi Rusija Trumpa v šahu držala z zelo kočljivimi informacijami, ki pravijo, da so Rusi Trumpa med obiskom Moskve posneli v hotelski sobi s prostitutkami, ki jim je naročil, naj urinirajo na posteljo, ker sta prej v njej med obiskom Moskve spala predsednik ZDA Barack Obama in prva dama Michelle. Buzzfeed je sicer objavil pripis, da informacije ni mogoče preveriti.




Slovenska vesoljska agencija je uspešno pristala na luni. Poleg zastave so posadili v tla sadiko najstarejše vinske trte pri nas. Sicer pripisujem, da informacije ni mogoče preverit :))
#TeamFelix

jype ::

Jaz sem bil tam (kot ena od ruskih prostitutk), tako da lahko potrdim navedbe.

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Gejspodar ::

Neverjetno, kakšne neumnosti se gredo ameriške novinarske hiše...

jype ::

Vem, da bi me desničarji radi cenzuriral, ampak jaz imam materialne dokaze.

nightrage ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Tole je Obama danes dodal na seznam sankcioniranih entitet.




Celotna FSB in GRU, par računalniških podjetij, ki so bila verjetno podizvajalci, in par hekerjev poimensko. Odlična poteza, šah :)

Če Trump v imenu prijateljstva med narodi odstrani ruski obveščevalni službi in hekerje, bo njegov odnos s kongresom in senatom že na začetku popolnoma gnil.

Kokice.


Se podpišem na tole, odlična poteza.

Drugač pa, koker sem slišal iz stricov iz ozadja Obama in Trump ga pijeta skupaj, pa še Trump je boljši igralec biljarda kot Obama.
Vse kar ima Obama v glavi je slaba zdravstvena reforma, ki jo ni znal dokončati, zdej pa bo Trump vse vzel v svoje roke in si je rekel, bom sesul tega pras.. v biljardu in bom poleg zdravstvene reforme dokončal se vojno z rusijo. 8-)

Mater, ker bi tole verjel, da bo Trump pil viski z Putinom. Jah wright. Opice neumne. 8-)8-)

Zgodovina sprememb…

xxxul ::

Heavy je izjavil:

http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/trump-navedbe...

Portal Buzzfeed je tako poročala, da naj bi Rusija Trumpa v šahu držala z zelo kočljivimi informacijami, ki pravijo, da so Rusi Trumpa med obiskom Moskve posneli v hotelski sobi s prostitutkami, ki jim je naročil, naj urinirajo na posteljo, ker sta prej v njej med obiskom Moskve spala predsednik ZDA Barack Obama in prva dama Michelle. Buzzfeed je sicer objavil pripis, da informacije ni mogoče preveriti.




Slovenska vesoljska agencija je uspešno pristala na luni. Poleg zastave so posadili v tla sadiko najstarejše vinske trte pri nas. Sicer pripisujem, da informacije ni mogoče preverit :))


to izhaja iz tega verjet:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents...

Cervantes ::

Glejte CNN, Donnyja bodo impeachal še pred inavguracijo!
Mater, se trudjo, in CIA in FBI, all 16 of them. Na konc bo šel še v arest, izdajalec umzani!
Jasno, stolčki se majejo.
Only in the USA.
Je imel pa Hussein odličen poslovilni govor, čista desetka.
Ampak on bi še vedno izvažal demokracijo v musli države, kar je čisti idiotizem.
V osmih letih se ni nič naučil.
:'(

next3steps ::

Gejspodar je izjavil:

Neverjetno, kakšne neumnosti se gredo ameriške novinarske hiše...


Dosežek leta za leto 2016 s strani 4chana. Kuddos to them. Me zanima, kaj se bo letos izcimilo iz njihovih for.

Matako ::

Se pravi... nekdo ima že leta izredno obremenjujoče dokumente o Donaldovi kurbariji... in jih zdaj liksa na Buzzfeed.

Buzzfeed.

Saj ne, da se okrog Donnija ne nabirajo razne pizdograbne novice že desetletja, mnoge je lansiral sam ampak... črnci, prosim.

Pa ste se delali norca iz Mikija in njegovih liksov.
/\/\.K.

Zgodovina sprememb…

  • spremenil: Matako ()

zmaugy ::

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/polit...

Je že obrnil ploščo: "I think it was Russia."

Pac-Man ::

Pod prvo, preberi

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/spy-agenc...

sicer se nimamo o čem pogovarjat. Ne gre za produkt obveščevalnih agencij, ampak privatni HUMINT OPPO. Po domače - govorice.

Zgodba o 4chan ni ravno vodotesna, ker so tole novinarjem ponujali od poletja dalje, ampak nihče ni ugriznil.

https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/8...

Okay, fellow journalists, raise your hand if you too were approached with this story. (I was.)

Prva omemba zlatih tušev, ki sem jo videl na 4chan, je z oktobra.

Kot vir/pusher se omenja republikanski operativec Rick Wilson, ki to zanika

https://medium.com/@therickwilson/fool-...

Hotelske eskapade so obrobni cirkus. Če ga ni zrušil predvolilni pussygate, ga tudi lulajoče kurbe ne bodo.

Zanimiv del je tole





Vohunjenje za Rusijo? Smrdi na veleizdajo.

Povezano, Guardian poroča, da je FBI od poletja želel na FISA sodišču pridobiti nalog za sledenje 4im članom trumpove ekipe. Morda jim je uspelo oktobra.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201...

The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.

Za kaj več pa zadnji dan tvitov na

https://twitter.com/20committee
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings

Pac-Man ::

Par dolarjev s strani bivšega vohuna

http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trum...

Just 10 days before his inauguration as our 45th president, Donald Trump’s nascent administration has been turned upside down by new accusations of secret Russian machinations that aided his election.

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Kompromat, as they call it in Moscow, is the mother’s milk of Kremlin espionage, and given Trump’s larger-than-life persona, with its decades of dodgy finances and edgy dalliances with women, it should surprise no one that Russian spies have juicy information there which the public hasn’t seen, particularly given the president-elect’s numerous trips to Russia going back to 1987.

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Just as the commentariat began to shudder at the implications of this bombshell, Buzzfeed released the actual dossier, 35 pages crammed with allegations of grave wrongdoing, including espionage by Trump surrogates against fellow Americans. This was a rather standard example of raw human intelligence reporting, a mishmash of claims, some of them obviously untrue.

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The media, unaccustomed to seeing raw HUMINT reports, acted aghast at the salacious nature of some of the claims in the dossier (...) Whether those particular claims are true or not (...) there’s no doubt that Putin’s Federal Security Service, the all-seeing FSB, keeps close tabs on foreign VIP’s when they’re on their turf. If Trump was unwise enough to engage in randy behavior in Russia, the FSB unquestionably has it on video.

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The media is focusing on the juicy aspects of the dossier at the expense of the only truly important and potentially game-changing one. That’s the allegation that Trump’s representatives had clandestine meetings last summer with Russian government representatives—that’s the nice way of saying spies—to coordinate their secret anti-Hillary activities.

The report names several Russian representatives said to have met with Trump lawyer Michael Cohen, including Oleg Solodukhin, who serves in Prague, posing as a diplomat, but is actually well known to Czech counterintelligence as a Kremlin spy. So far, so plausible—particularly since Prague is a hotbed of Russian espionage, and the number of Kremlin spies pretending to be diplomats there is remarkably high.

It’s time for some clarity. If Trump’s lawyer secretly met with Russian spies to coordinate anti-Hillary activities, it’s difficult to term that activity anything but treasonous, not to mention the “smoking gun” that links the president-elect to Putin. This claim, if true, would sink the Trump presidency before it even begins.

But did the meeting actually happen?

It’s looking less and less likely.

Jake Tapper from CNN, which has been very tough on Trump, tweeted before the press conference that “Government source confirms different Michael Cohen was in Prague.”

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This invariably brings to mind another strange saga of an alleged meeting in Prague. Back in 2002, as the Bush White House assembled an intelligence case to sell invading Saddam’s Iraq, reports circulated of a supposed rendezvous in the Czech capital, a few months before 9/11, between Iraqi intelligence and Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of Al-Qaida’s Planes Operation.

This was exactly what the White House wanted to hear, since it tied Saddam to 9/11, and it was hardly implausible on the face of it.

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White House pressure on the Intelligence Community mounted—I got caught up in it too, searching vainly for proof of Atta’s secret trip to Prague—and the hunt grew intense. The Czechs eventually backed away, their security service, known as BIS, officially deciding that Atta had not been in Prague and therefore could not have met with Iraqi spies.

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At this point, it’s functionally impossible to differentiate between social media claims made by the Trump administration, the Kremlin, the Wikileaks-Greenwald axis, and the Alt-Right. Now that Moscow has taken up the Nazi-frog meme beloved by the Alt-Right, any propaganda line between these groups has been erased altogether.

As usual, the president-elect is denying anything and everything, howling gigantic curses via Twitter against his foes and their “fake news.” He has pointed the finger at the Intelligence Community, bizarrely comparing 2017 America to Nazi Germany. Trump’s online meltdown has included a lot of tweeting in capital letters, and has cited the Kremlin as proof of his innocence. We’re in a new and uncharted era when the soon-to-be-president thinks Moscow is to be taken at face value in espionage matters.

In truth, the provenance of the 35-page dossier is well known in proper channels. Some of its assertions have been made by other NATO intelligence agencies, privately. Some of its claims are false, some are true, and some may linger between truth and fiction indefinitely. What’s important here is that the IC leadership decided to brief a small circle of the most senior American officials on that dossier’s findings. They don’t do that, ever—treating raw private intelligence reports by foreigners as worthy of briefing to “the top”—unless they can corroborate significant portions of it.

The Czechs are laying low. BIS is avoiding any public comment on Cohen’s alleged visit to their capital—and after the messy public spat back in 2002, who can blame them?

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The president elect angrily pronounced leaks of intelligence a “disgrace,” seeming to forget how gleefully his campaign greeted IC leaks which badly harmed Hillary Clinton over her emails.

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This matter can be quickly resolved if Trump’s lawyer sits down with the FBI, on the record, to clear this matter up before the inauguration. Unlike Mohammed Atta 15 years ago, Michael Cohen is available for interviews.

News organizations more respectable than Buzzfeed sat on the dossier for months, sensing it was a spooky morass of truth and fiction that could not be untangled to meet proper journalistic standards. Several tried, in fact, but after efforts to verify the claims failed, they declined to publish.

There is a darker possibility, however—namely that the dossier was leaked to muddy the waters, perhaps even to distract from even more troubling information about Trump’s ties to the Kremlin.

Russian intelligence calls this provokatsiya—provocation—and it’s as commonplace as kompromat in their ranks. This wouldn’t be the first time that Kremlin spies leaked secret information, partly true, to throw spies and journalists off the real trail.

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As I recently explained, the heart of Trump’s longstanding secret ties to Russia is about money, not espionage. The Trump Organization gives the appearance of possessing dubious financial ties to Russian organized crime, which is linked to the Kremlin and its intelligence agencies. Putin and his spies know all about Trump—they have no need for clandestine meetings in Central European capitals to arrange anything.

Trump needs this issue to go away, and he can easily make that happen by releasing his tax returns and financial records for the last couple decades, thereby demonstrating that he has no dark Kremlin secrets. However, in his presser today, the president-elect stated that nobody but journalists care about his tax returns, which he reiterated he has no intention of releasing to the public.

This continued stalling is a grave mistake, and things will only get nastier as more of Trump’s secrets are leaked to the media. Having repeatedly warned the president-elect to avoid needless fights with our spies, since they know things, let me add that it only will get worse from here if Trump doesn’t come clean soon.

xxxul ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

This continued stalling is a grave mistake, and things will only get nastier as more of Trump’s secrets are leaked to the media. Having repeatedly warned the president-elect to avoid needless fights with our spies, since they know things, let me add that it only will get worse from here if Trump doesn’t come clean soon.

Damage control in zdej očitno še grožnje lastnih vohunov? Počasi se mi Trump že smili...

še NY times se je spravu na Buzzfeed

mtosev ::

troll trump noče odgovarjati na novinarska vprašanja. tud tax returns še vedno noče pokazati
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moj oče darko 1960-2016
moj labradorec max 2002-2013

A. Smith ::

Matako je izjavil:

Se pravi... nekdo ima že leta izredno obremenjujoče dokumente o Donaldovi kurbariji... in jih zdaj liksa na Buzzfeed.

Buzzfeed.

Saj ne, da se okrog Donnija ne nabirajo razne pizdograbne novice že desetletja, mnoge je lansiral sam ampak... črnci, prosim.

Pa ste se delali norca iz Mikija in njegovih liksov.


Ti nisi več na tekočem z informacijami; kot je zgoraj že razloženo, se je zadeva kot povračilni ukrep izvalila na 4chanu, ko je Trump folk na 4chanu označil za "kup samskih moških, ki dr*ajo na animeje". Ko so zadevi dodali še nekaj govoric, da s temi podatki razpolagajo vohuni, so zgodbo pograbile ameriške tajne službe (menda je "gradivo" John McCain osebno posredoval naprej) in naredile gigatonski samopojeb.

Trump je situacijo seveda izkoristil, da lahko zniža kredibilnost levih medijev.

 kako zdaj 4chan gleda na zadeve

kako zdaj 4chan gleda na zadeve

"Be professional, be polite,
but have a plan to kill everyone you meet".
- General James Mattis

yayo ::

Pac-Man ::

A. Smith je izjavil:

Ti nisi več na tekočem z informacijami; kot je zgoraj že razloženo, se je zadeva kot povračilni ukrep izvalila na 4chanu, ko je Trump folk na 4chanu označil za "kup samskih moških, ki dr*ajo na animeje".

Ne, zgodba je starejša od 4chan štosov.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/no-that-...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2...

“So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it. They still believe it. Guys, they’re truly fucking desperate—there’s no remaining Trump scandal that’s credible,” the anonymous post from Nov. 1 reads. Wilson is a Republican operative who managed Evan McMullin’s independent campaign and has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

There are no details in the post, which is archived here, about what was allegedly told to Wilson—simply that the user purportedly gave him fake information. It also doesn’t explain how this would have gotten to intelligence agencies.

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Wilson dismissed all of r/The_Donald and 4chan’s claims in a tweet Tuesday night. “You’re wrong if you believe 1. What we had came from /pol 2. That I was Buzzfeed’s source. Try again, boys,” he wrote.

“The information was out there looooong before the 4chan posts,” he replied to another user.

Reached by phone earlier in the evening, Wilson told The Daily Beast that the Russian allegations were “making the rounds before anyone talked about it publicly.” He said that they were being discussed as early as a year and a half ago.

“Trump always knew it was out there,” Wilson said. “He thought he could bullshit his way through it.


oktober 2016

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201...

In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump's dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project's financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) "It started off as a fairly general inquiry," says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, "there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."

This was, the former spy remarks, "an extraordinary situation." He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was "sufficiently serious" to share with the FBI.

Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him."

Pac-Man ::

yayo je izjavil:

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/9/16...


Ali krajša verzija s strani Schindlerja

https://storify.com/Trumpnado2016/trump...
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