Švica - prepoved minaretov

Kritiziranje želje po "čisti" deželi in zahteva za tiste ko se ne strinjajo s tabo za izselitev. Hinavstvo hinavstvo hinavstvo ;)

Iz islama je edini izstop s smrtjo.

Iz RKC je mogoče izstopiti. Vendar pa izstop, po nauku te cerkve, ni celovit, temveč samo formalen, saj ta celovitih izstopov ne pozna. Namreč, tudi po formalnem izstopu veže krščenca na RKC notranja zakramentalna pripadnost in to zaradi tega, ker krsta, ki vtisne v dušo neizbrisno znamenje, ni mogoče izbrisati oz ponoviti. Tako bi bilo celo mogoče reči, da izstopa iz RKC sploh ni, kajti ta je ali pa ga ni. Vmesnega stanja ni. Po kat. nauku tisti, ki izstopi, ni več subjekt pravic, hkrati pa ga še vedno vežejo vsi Božji in cerkveni zakoni, razen kanonične oblike poroke. Ko torej nekdo (formalno) izstopi, nima več pravic, očitno pa mu ostanejo dolžnosti!

@Mavrik: o sancta simplicitas!

Mavrik, ok... apliciraj Ockhamovo žiletko na dejstvo, da Švicarke niso imele volilne pravice do leta 1971 in mi izlušči podobno enostaven odgovor na vprašanje 'zakaj ne'. Potem pa odgovor primerjaj z islamskim pogledom na ženske in njihove pravice. Potem pa preberi še tole - Women lead Swiss in vote to ban minarets. Na koncu bomo ugotovili, da je Ockham golobradi mladič :)

Daedalus, koliko ljudi, ki ne bi bili povezani v upravnim aparatom RKC pa živi v Vatikanu? Koliko km2 pa ima Vatikan?

USS Nimitz> O kakšnih volitvah ti to? Tito je ukinil še tisto nekaj malega volitev, ki so bile za časa kralja aleksandra in cesarja franca jožefa. Pri nas so tako moški kot ženske dobili pravico, da volijo šele leta 90.

Na volitvah v ustavodajno skupščino 11. novembra 1945, kjer meščanske stranke dejansko niso sodelovale, je prepričljivo zmagala Ljudska fronta, katere nosilec je bil Josip Broz Tito. 29. novembra 1945 je ustavodajna skupščina razglasila republiko in spremenila ime države v Federativna ljudska republika Jugoslavija.

Jure, kako to, da moja matka ni smela volit na volitvah leta 88 za predsednika predsedtva SRS, ko so ustoličili Stanovnika, če smo imeli vsi državljani volilno pravico?

Jure, kako to, da moja matka ni smela volit na volitvah leta 88 za predsednika predsedtva SRS, ko so ustoličili Stanovnika, če smo imeli vsi državljani volilno pravico?

20 let za Švico smo in je morala mal počakat ;)

ps: sicer pa nimam pojma od kje ti/ji to

But as the Swiss vote suggests, European governments may find it hard to resist populist calls for a tit-for-tat approach—unless they take a leaf from America’s book and a draw up a simple, transparent set of legal rules for all faiths. If they do, it will be harder for Swiss zealots to argue that today’s architectural feature implies tomorrow’s stoning.

Islamic world rages about Swiss minaret ban while persecuting non-Muslims wholesale

"The Problem of Islamic Religious Persecution: How is it that only Western nations are accused of 'defaming' religion?," by Doug Bandow for National Review, December 3:

America, like so many countries in the West, laments its strained relations with the Islamic world. In June, Pres. Barack Obama traveled to Cairo to speak against the "fear and mistrust" that exist between the West and Islam. Yet Muslim governments demand respect for Islam while refusing to offer similar respect for religious minorities within their own borders.

The recent Swiss vote to ban the construction of minarets in that European nation has become the latest controversy to generate Muslim protests worldwide. However, Islamic governments are in no position to complain about Western intolerance and "Islamophobia." Most Muslim nations are repressive or offer only limited political freedom. More often than not, Islamic states violate basic human rights; and almost all persecute Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities.

Many authoritarian states -- especially Communist or formerly Communist ones -- violate religious liberty along with other freedoms in order to maintain political control. But Muslim nations are almost unique in their willingness to persecute religious minorities to promote religious ends, as is evident from the State Department's latest report on religious liberty abroad.

The State Department refers to "state hostility toward minority or non-approved religious groups," as if different faiths randomly oppressed different faiths. However, Islam has distinguished itself with the willingness of governments and individuals to harass, attack, jail, and kill members of other religions. Even the most moderate and tolerant Islamic states often fall far short of respecting religious minorities. In Morocco, for instance, the government detained converts from Islam to Christianity, expelled Christian missionaries, and restricted "non-Islamic materials and proselytizing." Many other Islamic states are far worse, however.

AFGHANISTAN
The U.S. expelled the Taliban government, but has not created a free society. Although the Karzai government responded to outside pressure and took some steps to improve religious liberty, explains State, "the residual effects of years of jihad against the former Soviet Union, Taliban rule, civil strife, popular suspicion regarding outside influence of foreigners, and still weak democratic institutions hindered the realization of this aspiration." Relations among different Muslim sects "continued to be difficult"; non-Muslims face "harassment and occasional violence"; "most local Christians did not publicly state their beliefs or gather openly to worship." [...]

INDONESIA
The most populous Islamic nation, Indonesia long has reflected a more moderate variant of Islam. But Muslim extremists remain active and often unconstrained by the authorities. Reports State: "Ongoing government restrictions, particularly among unrecognized religions and sects of the recognized religions considered 'deviant' were significant exceptions to respect for religious freedom." Worse, the government sometimes "tolerated discrimination against and the abuse of religious groups by private actors and failed to punish perpetrators." Those responsible are rarely punished. Moreover, "Some groups used violence and intimidation to forcibly shut at least nine churches and 12 Ahmadiyya mosques." [...]

IRAQ
Tragically, liberating Iraq from Saddam Hussein meant liberating some of the worst sectarian passions, which he had brutally held in check. Roughly half of Iraq's historical Christian community has been displaced, many to Jordan and Syria, another secular Arab dictatorship. Although the government does not persecute, reports State, "violence conducted by terrorists, extremists, and criminal gangs restricted the free exercise of religion and posed a significant threat to the country's vulnerable religious minorities." Although overall violence is down, Christians and other religious minorities continue to be targeted by radical Muslims.

MALAYSIA
This former British colony remains freer than Iran but not as free as Indonesia. Observes State: "Minority religious groups remained generally free to practice their beliefs; however, over the past several years, many have expressed concern that the civil court system has gradually ceded jurisdictional control to Sharia courts, particularly in areas of family law involving disputes between Muslims and non-Muslims." Conversion from Islam is prohibited and, notes the department, "Religious minorities continued to face limitations on religious expression and alleged violations of property rights," including prohibiting proselytizing of Muslims.[...]

TURKEY
Although the government generally respects freedom of religious practice, it restricts Islamic expression in education and official circumstances. Moreover, notes State, "Minority religious groups also faced difficulties in worshipping, registering with the Government, and training their followers," as well as proselytizing. Further, "Threats against non-Muslims created an atmosphere of pressure and diminished freedom for some non-Muslim communities. Many Christians, Baha'is, and heterodox Muslims faced societal suspicion and mistrust, and some elements of society continued to express anti-Semitic sentiments."...

Vir: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NG...

Jao. Kot da pa Američani nimajo problemov z muslimani. 9/11, Fort Hood, anyone?

Mathai,
tale tvoja spletna stran "žrtve cerkve" je kar se tiče komentiranja krščanstva ravno toliko kredibilna, kot je bil hitler v svojem mein kampfu, ko je komentiral jude.

Iz katoliške Cerkve je mogoče formalno izstopiti, vendar notranja zakramentalna vez ostane, ker je zakrament krsta v skladu z učenjem Cerkve neizbrisno znamenje (prim. ZCP kan. 849).

Na volitvah v ustavodajno skupščino 11. novembra 1945, kjer meščanske stranke dejansko niso sodelovale, je prepričljivo zmagala Ljudska fronta, katere nosilec je bil Josip Broz Tito. 29. novembra 1945 je ustavodajna skupščina razglasila republiko in spremenila ime države v Federativna ljudska republika Jugoslavija.

Jure, kako to, da moja matka ni smela volit na volitvah leta 88 za predsednika predsedtva SRS, ko so ustoličili Stanovnika, če smo imeli vsi državljani volilno pravico?