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Siol Youtube capping
GrEEnOneMK ::
Sorry for writing in English.
Have you people noticed that Siol is capping bandwidth towards Youtube ? The rest of the internet works fine. However youtube loads very very very slow. I confirmed that they do something by using a VPN link towards other provider and then loading the same youtube videos through the same Siol link.
I think that it is outrageous and I am puzzled why nobody complains (it is going on for at least a year).
Have you people noticed that Siol is capping bandwidth towards Youtube ? The rest of the internet works fine. However youtube loads very very very slow. I confirmed that they do something by using a VPN link towards other provider and then loading the same youtube videos through the same Siol link.
I think that it is outrageous and I am puzzled why nobody complains (it is going on for at least a year).
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Tilen ::
Please create a support ticket at tehnicna.pomoc@telekom.si or ask on their official forum.
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darkolord ::
I confirmed that they do something by using a VPN link towards other provider and then loading the same youtube videos through the same Siol link.Most providers are hosting Google's caching servers that are used to cache Youtube videos - the first time a video is requested it is proxied from somewhere abroad, while the second time it is served from this "local" cache.
Not sure if that's what you are seeing. I (and many others with fast connections from other ISPs) also experience slow youtube video loading lately.
Jinto ::
Siol is supposedly not using google cache
"Po neuradnih informacijah, ki jih je pridobil Monitor, je Google strežnike GGC ponudil vsem slovenskim ponudnikom internetnega dostopa, pri čemer so jih sprejeli vsi razen Siola. Ta naj bi že imel odlično povezavo z Googlovimi podatkovnimi centri prek nemškega mednarodnega vozlišča DE-CIX."
http://dne.enaa.com/Internet-in-program...
"Po neuradnih informacijah, ki jih je pridobil Monitor, je Google strežnike GGC ponudil vsem slovenskim ponudnikom internetnega dostopa, pri čemer so jih sprejeli vsi razen Siola. Ta naj bi že imel odlično povezavo z Googlovimi podatkovnimi centri prek nemškega mednarodnega vozlišča DE-CIX."
http://dne.enaa.com/Internet-in-program...
Enron x86 ::
I've been having problems with YouTube lately as well (my ISP is SIOL). However, after changing my DNS-server preferences today, 1080p videos seem to load in real-time, which is something that's never happened before! (my connection speed is 4Mbit download / 1 Mbit upload). Or maybe they've finally fixed it, who knows?
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Pesimist ::
Zanimivo. Jaz nimam youtube problemov na siolu ze par dni. Pa da doloceni filmi se predvajajo lokalno iz siola. Kako ta lokalni chache deluje pa nimam pojma, ker definitivno ni 1click in local load. Vsej siolova verzija cacha ne deluje tako.
To se loada iz siola.
To se loada iz siola.
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Dragi ::
We've discussed a similar thing in a thread here not long ago.
I believe siol is doing quality of service (QOS) on their network and setting youtube as the LOWEST priority.
Youtube works splendid for me during European night times (1080p in realtime) but won't stop buffering during the day. Even on 480p videos. It directly corresponds with siol infrastructure utilization. Highly used during the day, much less during the night.
I agree, it sucks and it's highly irritating. I cant even watch music on youtube during the day cause I need to set it to 360p (SEVERE lack in quality) instead of 480p.
I believe siol is doing quality of service (QOS) on their network and setting youtube as the LOWEST priority.
Youtube works splendid for me during European night times (1080p in realtime) but won't stop buffering during the day. Even on 480p videos. It directly corresponds with siol infrastructure utilization. Highly used during the day, much less during the night.
I agree, it sucks and it's highly irritating. I cant even watch music on youtube during the day cause I need to set it to 360p (SEVERE lack in quality) instead of 480p.
Pesimist ::
Te pa daj en link ki laga na siolu prosim da vidimo no? Ker jaz enega ne najdem ki bi loadal ob bilo keri uri.
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Dragi ::
I sent them a complain on mail above. I linked to this thread as well.
Content of the mail:
In addition here are few topics on siol forum complaining about very same thing.
http://forumi.siol.net/showthread.php?t...
http://forumi.siol.net/showthread.php?t...
There is probably more, I just found these two for now.
Content of the mail:
Pozdravljeni,
Že nekaj tednov youtube.com čez dan deluje IZREDNO počasi.
Ogled 480p videov čez dan je pogosto nemogoč, ker se posnetki ne predvajajo. Ogled posnetkov 720p kvalitete je čez dan skoraj nemogoč, saj potrebuje tudi po 15min da naloži posnetek dolg 10minut.
Hitrost moje internetne povezave tu NI problem, saj je na voljo še dovolj pasovne širine (720p posnetek naj bi potreboval 4mbps in 1080p 10mbps).
Še bolj zanimivo je, da se to dogaja izključno na direktni siol povezavi.
Tudi kadar uporabim hide-my-ass vpn in se povežem preko italije bo youtube čez dan predvajal 1080p v realtime brez zatikanja.
Zakaj se to dogaja?
Ali siol omejuje dostop do youtube z QOS?
Ali siol čez dan omejuje pasovno širino do youtube.com?
Opažam tudi, da sem eden izmed mnogih, pri katerih se ta problem pojavlja.
Poglejte si temo na slo-tech za več informacij.
Siol Youtube capping
p.s.
Imam variabilni siol trio paket. Modem se mi sinhronizira pri 13mbit/s, kar znese nekje efektivnih 1,2MB/s. Televizor tu ni problem (eden), saj je bil v času testiranja vedno izklopljen in je bilo polnih 1,2MB/s na voljo izključno enemu samemu računalniku.
uporabniško ime: xxxx
Lep pozdrav,
xxxxx xxxxx.
In addition here are few topics on siol forum complaining about very same thing.
http://forumi.siol.net/showthread.php?t...
http://forumi.siol.net/showthread.php?t...
There is probably more, I just found these two for now.
Blazz ::
RejZoR ::
Youtube works like crap for the last two and a half months. Even 480p videos load for ages and they often get stuck and you have to wait for buffer to refill, just to be greeted by another pause after few seconds of playback. I'm on 8Mbit line from T-2. What's strange is that everything else works with max speed. Steam is downloading with 1MB/s, torrents at 900-950KB/s, no problems with streaming on lets say Grooveshark. Just Youtube acts like total douche.
I'll try using private VPN to see if it makes any difference since my physical location will change to some other region (like Austria). If speed will change, it's Google that's throttling the Youtube...
I'll try using private VPN to see if it makes any difference since my physical location will change to some other region (like Austria). If speed will change, it's Google that's throttling the Youtube...
Angry Sheep Blog @ www.rejzor.com
Rippy ::
My ISP is AMIS and I have never had any problems with youtube as far as 720p is concerned. 1080p might buffer now and then but for the most part the lower HD resolution is good enough for me so it is the one I "default" to.
I have a 10Mbps connection. The below qoute is taken from youtube for a period of one month. Keep in mind that we have more then one device using the same connection.
Chart
Chart 2
The weekend fluctuations are very interesting, again this is taken from my connection.
I have a 10Mbps connection. The below qoute is taken from youtube for a period of one month. Keep in mind that we have more then one device using the same connection.
Povprečna hitrost videoposnetka na tem mestu od 23. Jan 2012 do 20. Feb 2012 je bila 7.44 Mb/s
Chart
Chart 2
The weekend fluctuations are very interesting, again this is taken from my connection.
Dragi ::
Dva odgovora do sedaj:
Izgleda, da po novem imajo youtube strežnike tudi pri siolu?
In pa drugi
Pozdravljeni,
Siol ne omejuje pasovne širine do spletne strani youtube.com. Pravtako ne uporabljamo QOS za omenjeno stran in njene vsebine. Do počasnega delovanja lahko pride zaradi preobremenjenih mednarodnih poti, kar smo preverili v našem omrežju in te povezave niso motene. Za najbolj pogosto predvajane vsebine uporabljamo caching sistem, ki aktualne vsebine tako streama prav iz našega omrežja in je s tem zagotovljena veliko hitrejša povezava. Zavedati se morate, da tega sistema na žalost ne moremo uporabljati za vse vsebine, zato se pri določenih vsebinah (še posebej pri večjih resolucijah) pojavi počasnejše nalaganje z premori.
Lep pozdrav,
Marcel Podržaj
Služba za tehnično pomoč uporabnikom
E: tehnicna.pomoc@telekom.si
T:080 1000
http://pomoc.siol.net
http://forumi.siol.net
Izgleda, da po novem imajo youtube strežnike tudi pri siolu?
In pa drugi
Pozdravljeni!
Vaše opažanje, ter tudi opozorila nekaterih drugih uporabnikov smo predali našim administratorjem omrežja. Težav na našem notranjem omrežju in na povezavah v tujino ni zaznati, bodo pa poskušali preveriti, kakšne so možnosti, za optimiziranje na mednarodnih prenosnih povezavah.
Izvorna "težava" ali bolje rečeno vzrok pa je seveda postavitev in nastavitev googlovih strežnikov, ki imajo lastno logiko za zagotavljanje storitev končnim uporabnikom, na katero kot ponudnik žal nimamo neposrednega vpliva.
Odgovora od tehnikom še nimamo, zato vam le sporočam, da smo primer odprli in upam, da bodo kmalu izboljšali delovanje.
Lep pozdrav,
Boštjan Dobrovoljc
st0jko ::
Zdaj gre pa že men na ku**c to počasno nalaganje. Jutub je postal čist neuporaben. 480p megle pa tudi nebom gledal.
Imam t-2 10/4
Imam t-2 10/4
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RejZoR ::
Danes sem celo lahko gledal Ashens-a na Youtube in to celo v 720p. Blimey.
Angry Sheep Blog @ www.rejzor.com
Iatromantis ::
Pesimist ::
SIOL nikol nima googlovega servera. 99.9% imajo neko svojo skup sfukano sranje ki ni 1% tak dobro kot pravi googlovi serveri kateri so jim bili ponujeni zastojn.
Pravi googlov local server deluje cisto simple. Ti kliknes na neki movie ko se doben na ISPju ni in se zacne loadat na tvoj ISP, medtem ko se tebi loada iz tujine. Ce ti ta movie po 10 sekundah prekines in refrishas stran, bo se po vsej verjetnosti ze zacel loadat iz tvojega ISPja. Tako, da ga ti niti nerabis 100% gledat.
Točno tako se dogaja na telemachu kateri imajo googlove streznike in je
1A kvaliteta!
Pri Siolu lahko 100x restartas isti movie in ce ze prvic ni na bednem siolu, tudi sto prvic nebo!
Pravi googlov local server deluje cisto simple. Ti kliknes na neki movie ko se doben na ISPju ni in se zacne loadat na tvoj ISP, medtem ko se tebi loada iz tujine. Ce ti ta movie po 10 sekundah prekines in refrishas stran, bo se po vsej verjetnosti ze zacel loadat iz tvojega ISPja. Tako, da ga ti niti nerabis 100% gledat.
Točno tako se dogaja na telemachu kateri imajo googlove streznike in je
1A kvaliteta!
Pri Siolu lahko 100x restartas isti movie in ce ze prvic ni na bednem siolu, tudi sto prvic nebo!
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Dragi ::
Ja dobro no tako sončno in cvetoče pa tudi ni z tistimi googlovimi strežniki. Je že morala biti kje kaka fora da so odklonili. Ne sodi dokler ne veš celotne zgodbe, ja?
Pesimist ::
seveda je fora. Prepricani so da je njihov sistwm boljsi z najeto nemsko linijo. Zdaj pa sodi sam, ce je tako ali ne. Ocitno se vecina ne strinja z tem.
DoBri ::
Definitivno je možno, da ima Google še kakšne skrite "želje", ko postavlja strežnike naokoli :)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1229292...
Po mojem je prav, da so vsi ponudniki vsaj malo previdni.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1229292...
Po mojem je prav, da so vsi ponudniki vsaj malo previdni.
Več nas je, manj nas ni.
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guest #44 ::
I had asimmilar issue with video streaming porn sites. After a few minutes the page and videos just keept stucking more and more.
I can't tell now because i don't watch porn anymore.
I can't tell now because i don't watch porn anymore.
nUUb ::
Lahko potrdim, da večino YT 1080p videov deluje dobro od cca 2h naprej. Čez dan katastrofa, 480p ali 720p in že moraš čakati.
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barakus ::
Danes je vikend in imam občutek, da YT na T-2 nikamor ne gre... (720p čakam in čakam da zbuffera) kako pa vam dela?
tony1 ::
Ja dobro no tako sončno in cvetoče pa tudi ni z tistimi googlovimi strežniki. Je že morala biti kje kaka fora da so odklonili. Ne sodi dokler ne veš celotne zgodbe, ja?
Zarukani so.
Oz., povedano drugače: še vedno so dovolj veliki, da mislijo, da se jim lahko še naprej je*e za uporabnike.
Tilen ::
Trenutno na Telemachu deluje OK. Brez čakanja po odprtju videa @ 720p. Downloada pa z max (10 Mbit/s) in zgleda, da je še precej rezerve.
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Lion29 ::
meni pa vecina embeddenih vieotov dela ok...sam na ZT direktno jebe
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nUUb ::
Danes tudi men dela YT brez problemov in to celo 1080p. Čudež?
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_5er_ ::
Imam 15Mbit downloada in ni šans da bi gledal youtube brez zatikanja na siol. Na šihtu mam 100Mbit in dela BP. Tko da youtube dela BP, siol pa ne..
emsi ::
Sam imam siol optiko (20/20). V dopoldanskih časih in tam nekje do petih-šestih popoldan dela yt bp. Kasneje v večernih urah pa komaj sproti nalaga 480p video. Da bi gledal v 720p+ sploh ni varjante.
Optiko mam že 2 leti in se mi zdi, da se to dogaja le v zadnjem času. Vsaj prej tega nisem opazil.
Optiko mam že 2 leti in se mi zdi, da se to dogaja le v zadnjem času. Vsaj prej tega nisem opazil.
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LeQuack ::
Na Siolu mi zadnje čase Youtube dela porazno, tam 20 kB/s, kar ni dovolj niti za običajen 360p video. V službi dela normalno na Tušu, prav tako na T-2. Žalostna zadeva.
Quack !
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