Severna Koreja grozi z jedrskim orožjem

poweroff je 26. apr 2017 ob 20:03 izjavil:

Zakaj bi imela Kitajska interes urejati zadeve v S. Koreji?

Ne poznam toliko situacije, zato sprašujem.

poweroff je 26. apr 2017 ob 20:03 izjavil:

Zakaj bi imela Kitajska interes urejati zadeve v S. Koreji?

Ne poznam toliko situacije, zato sprašujem.

Pac-Man je 26. apr 2017 ob 21:50 izjavil:

In the decades since the eldest Kim's death, North Koreans have remained feircely loyal to the regime's goals of progress towards nuclear and aggression towards the outside world, so it's unlikely a single leader's death would upset that.

poweroff je 26. apr 2017 ob 22:21 izjavil:

Ja, ampak vprašanje je, zakaj Kitajska umazanega posla ne bi prepustila ZDA? Kaj imajo od tega, da sami uredijo zadeve?

poweroff je 26. apr 2017 ob 22:21 izjavil:

Ja, ampak vprašanje je, zakaj Kitajska umazanega posla ne bi prepustila ZDA? Kaj imajo od tega, da sami uredijo zadeve?

mtosev je 26. apr 2017 ob 21:14 izjavil:

kitajci bi lahko počasi skenslali Una, amerika pa v zameno umakne tiste rakete v južni koreji.

ta Un je dosti hujši kot njegov oče al dedek. on je totalno nor. fuj

mtosev je 26. apr 2017 ob 21:54 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 26. apr 2017 ob 21:50 izjavil:

In the decades since the eldest Kim's death, North Koreans have remained feircely loyal to the regime's goals of progress towards nuclear and aggression towards the outside world, so it's unlikely a single leader's death would upset that.

ljudje tam so brainwashani in very stupid.

Fritz je 25. apr 2017 ob 19:52 izjavil:

Samuel je 25. apr 2017 ob 18:19 izjavil:

tale slika pokaže absurdnost kitajskih zahtev:

Bolj kot to pokaže tvoje nepoznavanje zgodovine, geopolitike, mednarodnih odnosov in mednarodnega prava.

Tako na kratko iz Wikipedije:
In the 19th century, Europeans found that Chinese fishermen from Hainan annually sojourned on the Spratly islands for part of the year, while in 1877 it was the British who launched the first modern legal claims to the Spratlys.[63][64]

When the Spratlys and Paracels were being surveyed by Germany in 1883, China issued protests against them. The 1887 Chinese-Vietnamese Boundary convention signed between France and China after the Sino-French War said that China was the owner of the Spratly and Paracel islands.[65][66] China sent naval forces on inspection tours in 1902 and 1907 and placed flags and markers on the islands. The Qing dynasty's successor state, the Republic of China, claimed the Spratly and Paracel islands under the jurisdiction of Hainan.[66]

In 1933, France asserted its claims to the Spratly and Paracel Islands[67] on behalf of its then-colony Vietnam.[68] It occupied a number of the Spratly Islands, including Taiping Island, built weather stations on two of the islands, and administered them as part of French Indochina. This occupation was protested by the Republic of China (ROC) government because France admitted finding Chinese fishermen there when French warships visited nine of the islands.[69] In 1935, the ROC government also announced a sovereignty claim on the Spratly Islands. Japan occupied some of the islands in 1939 during World War II, and it used the islands as a submarine base for the occupation of Southeast Asia. During the Japanese occupation, these islands were called Shinnan Shoto (新南諸島), literally the New Southern Islands, and together with the Paracel Islands (西沙群岛), they were put under the governance of the Japanese colonial authority in Taiwan.

Japan occupied the Paracels and the Spratlys from February 1939 to August 1945.[70] Japan administered the Spratlys via Taiwan's jurisdiction and the Paracels via Hainan's jurisdiction.[63] Parts of the Paracels and Spratlys were occupied by Republic of China after the 1945 surrender of Japan,[71] since the Allied powers assigned the Republic of China to receive Japanese surrenders in that area,[66] however no successor was named to the islands.[71]

In November 1946, the ROC sent naval ships to take control of the islands after the surrender of Japan.[70] It had chosen the largest and perhaps the only inhabitable island, Taiping Island, as its base, and it renamed the island under the name of the naval vessel as Taiping. Also following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, the ROC re-claimed the entirety of the Spratly Islands (including Taiping Island) after accepting the Japanese surrender of the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations. The Republic of China then garrisoned Itu Aba (Taiping) island in 1946 and posted Chinese flags.[63] The aim of the Republic of China was to block the French claims.[66][72] The Republic of China drew up the map showing the U-shaped claim on the entire South China Sea, showing the Spratly and Paracels in Chinese territory, in 1947.[66] Japan had renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty together with the Paracels, Pratas and other islands captured from the Chinese, and upon these declarations, the government of the Republic of China reasserted its claim to the islands. The KMT force of the ROC government withdrew from most of the Spratly and Paracel Islands after they retreated to Taiwan from the opposing Communist Party of China due to their losses in the Chinese Civil War and the founding of the People's Republic of China (PRC) in 1949.[68] The ROC quietly withdrew troops from Taiping Island in 1950, but then reinstated them in 1956 in response to Tomás Cloma's sudden claim to the island as part of Freedomland.[73] As of 2013, Taiping Island is administered by the ROC.[74]

After pulling out its garrison in 1950 when the Republic of China evacuated to Taiwan, when the Filipino Tomas Cloma uprooted an ROC flag on Itu Aba laid claim to the Spratlys and, the Republic of China (Taiwan) again regarrisoned Itu Aba in 1956.[75] In 1946, the Americans allegedly reminded the Philippines at its independence that the Spratlys was not Philippine territory, both to not anger Chiang Kai-shek in China and because the Spratlys were not part of the Philippines per the 1898 treaty Spain signed with America.[63] However, no document was found to that effect. The Philippines then claimed the Spratlys in 1971 under President Marcos, after Taiwanese troops attacked and shot at a Philippine fishing boat on Itu Aba.[76]

Taiwan's garrison from 1946–1950 and 1956-now on Itu Aba represents an "effective occupation" of the Spratlys.[76][77] China established a coastal defence system against Japanese pirates or smugglers.[78]

In 1958, the PRC issued a declaration defining its territorial waters that encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Phạm Văn Đồng, sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai, stating that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) respected the Chinese decision regarding the 12 nmi (22 km; 14 mi) limit of territorial waters.[79] While accepting the 12-nmi principal with respect to territorial waters, the letter did not actually address the issue of defining actual territorial boundaries. North Vietnam recognised China's claims on the Paracels and Spratlys during the Vietnam War as it was being supported by China. Only after winning the war and conquering South Vietnam did North Vietnam retract its recognition and admitted it recognised them as part of China to receive aid from China in fighting the Americans.[80] As the late Vietnam Premier Phạm Văn Đồng's letter, written in Vietnamese was, intentionally distorted by the PRC, the authors who have not read the primary sources were trapped in a simple propaganda trick.[81]

Nikogaršnja zemlja je to samo dokler je nekdo ne zavzame. Pri otočju Spratley je pretendentov več in ti so tudi zasedli vsak svoj del otokov. Dokler nasilno ne drezajo v druge, je iskanje rešitve stvar pregovorov in dogovorov. Od vseh je Tajvan daleč najbolj oddaljen medtem, ko Kitajska preko otočja Paracel ni tako daleč vstran, kot se nekaterim dozdeva. Zgodovinsko pa ima, sodeč po zapisu zgoraj, največ teže Kitajska, saj je nekoč izvajala oblast nad temi otoki, dokler jih Japonska ni okupirala a jih je še tedaj upravljala iz regionalnega centra v Hainanu, na Kitajskem. Po koncu vojne so zavezniki določili, da se Japonske sile v tem delu predajo Kitajski. Delni zaplet je v tem, ker imamo zaradi zgodovinskih razlogov dve Kitajski in sicer Tajvan (ROC) ter Kitajsko (PRC). In tako naprej, in tako naprej...

Vsekakor zadeve niso tako enostavne kot otročja primerjava z neko namišljeno točko v Jadranskem morju.

tikitoki je 27. apr 2017 ob 07:18 izjavil:

Mr.B je 25. apr 2017 ob 07:58 izjavil:

tikitoki je 25. apr 2017 ob 06:54 izjavil:

Sej je ze bilo razcisceno, da Kitajska nima pravice do vseh obmocij, ki bi si jih raa prisvojila, sam ni nikogar, ki bi jo bil pripravljen/zmozen prisiliti v spostovanje tega. Sicer pa moras biti mongoloid, da ne vidis, da so njihove zahteve megalomanske in absolutno nepravicne do kupa sosednjih drzav. K da bi Italija zahtevala, da je celotno sredozemsko morje njihovo, ker so to obmocje nekoc nadzorovali Rimljani.

Ne tvoja precepcija je napacna.https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-fact...

Me pa zanima, kdo bo kriv z arbitrazni pos mortem fiasko s hrvasko.

LOL. Tvoj patewticen odgovor ni dokazal nicesar, kar bi dokazalo, da ima Kitajska pravico imeti teritorialne vode do Filipinov. Sam eno napihovanje, brez prave teze.

Cervantes je 26. apr 2017 ob 19:18 izjavil:

Pe kdo bi sploh hotel zasesti S.Korejo in zakaj?
Sami stroški in zajeban folk.

krneki0001 je 27. apr 2017 ob 08:54 izjavil:

tikitoki - pa vprašaj indijance? Aja ne moreš, so mrtvi!

tikitoki je 27. apr 2017 ob 09:43 izjavil:

Mr.B je 27. apr 2017 ob 09:28 izjavil:

tikitoki je 27. apr 2017 ob 09:23 izjavil:

krneki0001 je 27. apr 2017 ob 08:54 izjavil:

tikitoki - pa vprašaj indijance? Aja ne moreš, so mrtvi!

Kje je dokaz, da sem to kadarkoli podpiral?

BTW. napisal sem Kitajci. BTW indijancem je trenutno oljse, k manjsinam na Kitajskem.

A dej no. Kot prvo sodišče je odločalo o greenpeace rešitvi teh otokov, in ne o meji. Vse ostalo nima veze, ker ja ve kot si sam napisal, tvoji občutki. Ko bo sodišče odločalo o meji pa komentiraj, dejstvo je in dejstvo ostaja da je tista famozna "nine dash" linija narisan od leta 1930 če še ne prej. Če bi amrika leta 1974 tam parkirala svojo letalonosliko, bi se moirda danes drugače pogovartjali, toda žal populizem post mortem ne glede na situacijo, pali verjetno samo na... meni se zdi.

Lej, pojma nimas o cem govoris. Imas gor link in se izobrazi. Kot sem napisal, se mi zdi skoda cas izgubljati. BTW leticno 1930 si potegnil od kje? Moj link tvojo trditev zradira. Ok, grem raje v zid bult, k bo bolj produktuvno.

Although China has not provided an official account, the first dashed-line map is widely reported by scholars and commentators to pre-date the existence of the People's Republic of China, having been published in 1947 by the Nationalist government of the Republic of China. That map, which shows 11 dashes. Scholarly accounts indicate that the 1947 map, titled "Map of South China Sea Islands," originated from an earlier one titled "Map of Chinese Islands in the South China Sea" (Zhongguo nanhai daoyu tu) published by the Republic of China's Land and Water Maps Inspection Committee in 1935, and that Chinese maps produced after the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949 "appear to follow the old maps." The maps published by the People's Republic of China, however, removed the two dashes originally depicted inside the Gulf of Tonkin. Although not visible on the 2009 map, modern Chinese maps since at least 1984, including the vertically oriented maps published by China in 2013 and 2014 also include a tenth dash located to the east of Taiwan.[

r3dkv1c4 je 27. apr 2017 ob 09:16 izjavil:

Zakaj?Zakaj le......cilj kavbojev je napad na Rusijo......

Mr.B je 27. apr 2017 ob 10:06 izjavil:

Sorry 1935

Although China has not provided an official account, the first dashed-line map is widely reported by scholars and commentators to pre-date the existence of the People's Republic of China, having been published in 1947 by the Nationalist government of the Republic of China. That map, which shows 11 dashes. Scholarly accounts indicate that the 1947 map, titled "Map of South China Sea Islands," originated from an earlier one titled "Map of Chinese Islands in the South China Sea" (Zhongguo nanhai daoyu tu) published by the Republic of China's Land and Water Maps Inspection Committee in 1935, and that Chinese maps produced after the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949 "appear to follow the old maps." The maps published by the People's Republic of China, however, removed the two dashes originally depicted inside the Gulf of Tonkin. Although not visible on the 2009 map, modern Chinese maps since at least 1984, including the vertically oriented maps published by China in 2013 and 2014 also include a tenth dash located to the east of Taiwan.[

tikitoki je 27. apr 2017 ob 09:23 izjavil:

krneki0001 je 27. apr 2017 ob 08:54 izjavil:

tikitoki - pa vprašaj indijance? Aja ne moreš, so mrtvi!

Kje je dokaz, da sem to kadarkoli podpiral?

BTW. napisal sem Kitajci. BTW indijancem je trenutno oljse, k manjsinam na Kitajskem.