Nakup PC ja po delih

1. glasen je 2. pri frendu ko je mel intel c2d e8400 slabsi od mojega pa je delo bolse od Amd-ja v glavnem Intel je veliko bolj kvaliteten

ni mel navitega

tu maš nekaj o zadnjih primerljivih arhitekturah in kavliteti, pa gretja core i7 ne spreglej ( do 90 stopinj !!! )

Phenomv vs. Nehalem zadovoljstvo:

http://geizhals.at/eu/?sr=363666,-1

http://geizhals.at/eu/?sr=366185,-1

še to:

poraba x2 6400 ( 90 nm ) 3200 mhz kuri manj kor 45 nm intel dual core – v idle !!!

http://techreport.com/articles.x/15818/...

Intel 9300q – problemi:

Blue Screen - pomoč

še o intelu:

http://slo-tech.com/script/forum/izpisi...

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http://slo-tech.com/script/forum/izpisi...

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http://slo-tech.com/script/forum/izpisi...

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Sami problemi z navijanjem 4-jedrnika

Kaj imajo ti dve primerjavi veze z nakupi v tej temi? Tu nihče ne kupuje I7.

Imaš pa možnost izbire med Q9550 in X4 9550, če se odločaš za štijedrnega, če pa ti dvojedrni zadosti, je pa tudi že dovolj predlogov padlo.

Razlika v ceni je nekje 10 EUR (pri trenutnih cenah, primerjamo 8200 in 9950 v Sloveniji). Tako da, kr Intela vzami. Bolj kvalitetna zadevica.

Nisem mel problemov pac pri igrah ma manj FPs kot Intel pa fejst pocasneje dela.

kot intel

aja...najstnki ...igrce... itd... x4 je precej bolj odziven sistem tak da tvoja opažanja lahko grejo samo na enonitne igre, ki zanimajo samo najstnike in igričarje.

sistemi z IMC in HTT so precej odzivnješi, preberi si test v phenom temi ki ga je objavil m-xxxx ( sam ni prebral zaključka zgleda )

evo tukaj je :

We have him [xanapei] and him we will repeat and here: the conclusion of Review is from the difficult departments of this. The all labour that preceded in a presentation - how many rather one as big comparative as this - is compared with the difficulty that meets Reviewer at the duration of syntax of conclusion.

These few lines, the measured in the fingers paragraphs, owe to include the all substance round the products that we tryed, without is forgotten something or it is placed in the backstage, for the sake of the [exoraismoy] text. That we saw it should it is expressed here in, so all you you can draw sure conclusions on the quality of products of each company. Thus, despite the endless hours of trials, their repetitions for the confirmation of results, the tiredness by the syntax of diagrams and the general configuration of presentation, what makes us assemble all us the attention, they are these very little proposals that follow.

What is therefore what offered to us [en] it takes place the AMD?

Phenom II - many of us only that we hear “Phenom” in the beginning of name of new processors we were looked at with suspiciousness, one and the memories from the low records and still lower overclockability the first AMD Phenom, they are fresh. Intel accomplished for 2 years, not only [ekthronisei] the AMD, but still more badly, it makes the common opinion “return” in the seasons where the AMD were… “incompatible” with Windows and created problems. The all history with the TLB Bug and how many this [epirreaze] the computers made us the tour of world, while the simultaneously very delayed answer of AMD with new Stepping on her their CPU, made the world be drawn more and more from the processors of Intel, giving her always bigger share of market.

Which new fruit however is these Phenom II finally? They will accomplish “[xelasposoyn]” the name Phenom or simply it is a [xanazestameni] recipe? At last the could AMD remove something that will go against in equal their Penryn and Kentsfield processors of Intel, or still better [olokainoyrioys] Core i7? This questions above were under answered in the so much pages this most analytic comparative. And believe that indeed, the step of AMD for a new beginning, is really good.

[As] we take the things therefore little more analytically.

Phenom II 920 and 940 will be available in the next days in the roughly 250 and 300€ respectively. Taking into consideration this, they are placed immediately in the category of price of cheaper Core i7, as also and -[dipla][dipla] with their Core 2 Duo Q9450 and Q9550. Of course, it should not we neglect more important all, that are the total value of their platform, that is considerably lower than that of equivalents of Intel - leading maternal for their AM2+ processors costs as long as cheaper for their i7, while is also roughly 100-150€ cheaper from the corresponding leading solution for LGA775. And here, enters also the cost of memories in the equation - DDR2 for their AMD, almost universally henceforth DDR3 for their Intel (except naturally if somebody wants takes a cheaper solution in LGA775, with memories DDR2).

Thus, the comparison between the 3 platforms sure shows has enough interesting, one and a composition for AMD sure constitutes cheaper from all. If this solution therefore, accomplishes it even exceeds or it is kept in the same levels with the composition that is based on the processors of Intel, we will speak for a evident victory of green company and her return in the limelight.

What we saw we therefore? That went him Phenom II against the competition (underlining here already, that Phenom II 940 was the more highly dragged on CPU of trial, with Core i7 940 with Turbo ON).

Firstly, in no but no one of cases, we did not see be threatened Core i7, when the trials concerned [polypyrines] applications. [Exaitias] improved HyperThreading, the processors of blue company excelled, giving us very interesting results against remainder, showing because are considered the kings multi-tasking.

This however did not also happen with their Core 2. Here Phenom II accomplished and they looked at them in the eyes, they gained certain battles, they lost in other, while in certain they came out even. It is the first time where we see such something, for really a long time. The AMD gave in the market one most decent, even if naturally - it should we admit him - delayed solution, which [exaitias] exceptional Value for Money that it has, is capable to gain interesting enough from us.

[Prochorame] now in something that many and interests him we know - the reason naturally for the PC Games. Most Review that we have seen made reason for “at state predominance of Core i7”, something that we wanted to confirm, no however naturally only in the low analysis 1280x1024 pixels, but also in Maximum graphic in the analysis 1680x1050 pixels, one from the more popular analyses in the world of PC Gamers.

The results? As you would see, excessively positively in the 1280 for their i7, but simultaneously, very negatively afterwards, in the 1680. Phenom II really over there excelled at our opinion, breaking in thousand pieces the fable that had been created round the PC Games and the role that plays in them the CPU. What we saw they were that even one humble Q6600 in 2.4GHz did not have important differences from excessively (theoretically) better Core i7 940, something that stresses still more the role of good card graphic and no one leading CPU, when we speak for games.

Finally, the daily use, that occupies and most from us, sure was improved very considerably with the new proposals of also two companies. Incorporated Memory Controller and in their Phenom II and in their Core i7, made in our eyes a enormous difference in the response of systems, concerning their Core 2 in their default frequency, thing that constitutes still a positive element for the new proposal of AMD. As long as for whether is improved the sense of Core 2 with overclocking - yes, all him we know that it becomes, but henceforth AND the AMD it appears that it can it reaches in the same clocks…



Does [En] take place, who is the basic conclusion? That we can judge their Phenom II from this first glance which we had?

Sure… yes, we are impressed. It can they suffer in the heavily multi-core applications from their i7, but also entire platform i7 it suffers in price. The AMD, as the summertime with nVIDIA, thus and here, strike with something very qualitative, in very low prices, that will make him as we forecast turnaway for the simple users. It can anticipate it strikes when should their Core CPU, but anticipated Intel before their Lynnfield (Core i5), thing that will give her a robust breath in order to it enters again in the game.

With few reasons? Records same with their Core i7 in the games and with their Core 2 in all, in enough lower total price of platform and naturally, with IMC that attends to better response in our daily work, but also Overclockability that it is expected to go against in equally that of corresponding solutions of Intel.

Finally?

At last we can say that the AMD returned in the fight. And as if it did not reach this, now we expect also her [AM]3 maternal, with the new CPU with the incorporated DDR3 Memory Controller!

Intel should be in a hurry little with their Core i5…?



HWBOX Recommended - naturally

Sam sem pred kratkim vzel AMD 9550, 2x2G 1066 DDR2 in Gigabyte ploščo z AMD 790g veznim naborom in moram reči, da sem presunjen. Plošča, ki sem jo vzel, ima vgrajen Radeon HD3200 grafični pogon, na sami plošči pa je prostora še za eno grafično kartico (PCIe 16x) in 2 PCI reži (+ mali PCIe). V Hybrid CrossFire načinu lahko iz grafike za 100€ dosežem performans blizu grafike za 150€ (testirano s HD4670) in obenem varčujem z elektriko (ker smo danes vsi zeleni).

Toplo priporočam AMD konfiguracijo, ker ima prihodnost (Phenom II) in imaš ob istih dosežkih manj stroškov z nakupom.

Sam sem pred kratkim vzel AMD 9550, 2x2G 1066 DDR2 in Gigabyte ploščo z AMD 790g veznim naborom in moram reči, da sem presunjen. Plošča, ki sem jo vzel, ima vgrajen Radeon HD3200 grafični pogon, na sami plošči pa je prostora še za eno grafično kartico (PCIe 16x) in 2 PCI reži (+ mali PCIe). V Hybrid CrossFire načinu lahko iz grafike za 100€ dosežem performans blizu grafike za 150€ (testirano s HD4670) in obenem varčujem z elektriko (ker smo danes vsi zeleni).

Toplo priporočam AMD konfiguracijo, ker ima prihodnost (Phenom II) in imaš ob istih dosežkih manj stroškov z nakupom.

podpis pod tole.... sam eni pač sam za igrce rabijo...

Jah,zakaj pa sploh rabiš uber mašino če ni glavni namen špilanje igerc ?
Potem je še stari p4 ali amdxp sistem za cca 50e zadost.

Sam sem pred kratkim vzel AMD 9550, 2x2G 1066 DDR2 in Gigabyte ploščo z AMD 790g veznim naborom in moram reči, da sem presunjen. Plošča, ki sem jo vzel, ima vgrajen Radeon HD3200 grafični pogon, na sami plošči pa je prostora še za eno grafično kartico (PCIe 16x) in 2 PCI reži (+ mali PCIe). V Hybrid CrossFire načinu lahko iz grafike za 100€ dosežem performans blizu grafike za 150€ (testirano s HD4670) in obenem varčujem z elektriko (ker smo danes vsi zeleni).

Toplo priporočam AMD konfiguracijo, ker ima prihodnost (Phenom II) in imaš ob istih dosežkih manj stroškov z nakupom.

Hybrid crossfire pride v poštev če uporabljaš res low end grafe tipa hd3450.
Z uporabo boljših grafičnih ni nobenega efekta.
HD4670 z in brez hybridCF dela zihr z enako hitrost mogoče kkšn procent hitreje.

vendar, če se ne motim, je smisel v tem, da je glavna kartica ob grafično nezahtevnih delih "izklopljena" in deluje le integrirana = nižja poraba, manj gretja,...

Sej tut vse novejše grafe imajo powersave a ne ?
2d 3d profil. tudi če ga ni si lahka sam narediš profile z rivatunerjem ali podobno.
Tale crossfirex je brezvezn marketinški trik.

Samo izbiral si pa res samo najbolj bedne primerke od intela. Kdo ti je svetoval te primerke, tukaj na SloTechu, ti jih sigurno nebi. Boljše da ostaneš pri amd, na njih se vsaj spoznaš.

No, da dodam nekaj k svojemu prejšnjemu postu (ki je povzročil nesporazum zaradi mojega hitenja): Testiral sem Hybrid CF s 4350 (nisem 100% glede oznake) in single grafiko 4670 v Windows Vista 64 bit. Zelo podobni rezultati pri raznih benčih.

Tu pa še dodatek za tiste, ki mislijo, da je dati 50-100€ več za PC kot so pričakovali, greh:

Zakaj X4 in ne recimo X2? Zakaj plošča za 80+ namesto za 40€?
Če ne igram igric, ne pomeni, da ne znam hitro klikati. Imam to navado, da sistem tako naštudiram, da že skoraj slepo klikam in točno vem kje me čaka kak gumb. Na mojo akcijo hočem videti reakcijo in to ne čez sekundo, ne v času ko skočim po čaj ampak takoj ali pa tri minute nazaj.

Sem večopravilen (10 in več oken/programov naenkrat):
- Na enem namizju imam recimo reševanje podatkov iz diska prenosnika.
- Na drugem si vrtim "radio" 24ur.com na full screen (Flash video - požrešna zadeva) in samo zamenjam pogled, če želim videti še sliko zraven zvoka.
- Na tretjem namizju imam Firefox z 20 zavihki, ker nekomu naročam PC in s kolegom ugotavljava kaj je bolje prek Pidgina (tu priznam, da se dogaja velčji del analize v moji glavi).
- Na četrtem namizju imam Windows XP v VirtualBoxu, ker moram čez minuto, ko se XP naloži, poklicati "eno tečno babo", da ji povem kako povezati tabele med Wordom in Excelom.

Nikoli si še nisem kupil računalnika za igrice, vedno zase, za delo/net/muziko/filme. Igrice so samo en bombonček, tako nekako kot Sidebar v Visti. Če me bo res zamikalo igrati po en teden skupaj, bom nabavil grafiko, sicer je pa imam za Compiz več kot dovolj.

Vsakdo prej ali slej doseže limit svojega sistema (ali svojega potrpljenja) in ko se bom jaz znašel tam, bom skočil po nov procesor in še dve palčki RAM-a. Nekdo drugi, ki je prav tako modro investiral glede na svoje programerske/igračarske/video ... potrebe, bo zamenjal kak drugi kos in sonce bo spet vzšlo.

iskra je povedal čisto po resnici, računalnik bo še vedno lahko nadgrajen z ramom in ker ima AMD jeva plošča integrirano grafično jo lahko kombiniraš z drugo močnejšo in si tako rekoč vedno korak pred ostalimi na Intel konfiguraciji. imata pa oba tako dobre kot slabe lastnosti in se mora kupec odločiti sam.

Če bi predpostavil primer z kmetijo; tako je Intel velika zavaljena monopolna Svinja, ki bo s svojo debelo ritjo spravila vse živali na kmetiji na slabše ali pa jih celo pomorila. Za konec pa bomo jedli za kosilo samo še svinjino brez priloge, kar zna biti zelo neokusno. Pa še to pripravljeno tako kot bo Svinja želela.

S tem primerom bi rad opozoril, da na dolgi rok ni dobro podpirati samo monopoliste.

Ohisje bi lahko blo bolse

Hvala Steinkauz.v kateri spletni trgovini pa si to "sestavil" ?
Monitor imam samsung T220 :
* Screen Size : 22" wide
* Resolution : 1680 x 1050 (WSXGA+)
* Contrast Ratio : DC 20,000:1 (1000:1) (Typ.)
* Response time : 2 ms (GTG)

Hvala,

Ja no jst imam isti monitor pa mi 512 mb zadostuje. Lahko naročiš prek elektronika.si 1gb verzijo za 165 eur, samo pol boš mogu sam sestavit. Če vzameš po različnih štacunah prideš še cnej čez. Sestavljeno je pa pr agt.si.

Pozdravljeni!
Zanima me kaj menite o Intel c2d E8500 namesto c2q q8200.Pc kot sem rekel se bo uporabljal za igre in normalno delo in ne za neke multiopravilne taske.

Hvala

intel c2d e8500 se splaca za igre

in cena?