V vzhodni Ukrajini internetni promet že teče prek Rusije

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 14:37 izjavil:

Kakšne grožnje in izsiljevanje? Kdo je komu nabil sankcije? Ga vrgel iz swift? Kdo je po obisku predsednika pri gospodarju terminiral projekt novega plinovoda?

In vse to zakaj? Ker rusi delajo v ukrajini to, kar zahod počne po vsem svetu? Ne me hecat.

LightBit je 10. jul 2022 ob 14:16 izjavil:

Kaj pa je NATO tako hudega naredil Rusom?

Ti resno ne razumeš, zakaj rusi koalicijo sovražno nastrojenih držav, katere so jih v preteklosti že večkrat porušile do tal, dojemajo kot grožnjo?

Mi, ki smo 10x močnejši od njih in smo jih v preteklosti 3x porušili, se moramo bati njih, oni se pa ne smejo bati nas? Ker smo "obrambna" organizacija? Ne se hecat.

Sankcije so popolnoma upravičene in blage. Nekatere Ruske banke so še vedno v Swift. Plinovoda pač ne bodo potrebovali, ker očitno ne morejo črpati brez zahoda.

Razumem zakaj NATO moti Ruse. Zato ker jim onemogoča imperij. V preteklosti je marsikdo porušil marsikaj pa ni treba sedaj vleči tega sovraštva in ponavljati. Seveda ne vem kako si predstavljaš da bi NATO porušil državo z največ jedrskimi.

endelin je 10. jul 2022 ob 14:59 izjavil:

Putler je priznal, da je landgrab. Niti rusi več ne omenjajo Nata. Nato je bil samo izgovor. Rezultat po nekaj mesecih vojne je več Nata kot prej

Nato omenjajo samo ti, avrelijo jurij, mekina in danilo turk aja in JPD

Ponovno, zakaj zaupaš uradni ruski propagandi, namesto relevantnim zahodnim službam?

Ker izgleda, kot da želiš potrditev pravljic, ki ti jih prodaja MSM?

nejclp je 10. jul 2022 ob 15:04 izjavil:

Nato se je na vzhod nazadnje širil leta 2004. Rusija se je na zahod nazadnje širila leta 2022.

Brez kakršnega koli razloga, anede?

lojz123 je 10. jul 2022 ob 15:08 izjavil:

to so ljudje z motnjo v umskem razvoju,

Tej motnji se reče razmišljanje. :)

Če "misliš" identično kot MSM, po definiciji ne misliš, ampak blejaš.

SI pa tudi ti seveda dobrodošel, da razložiš, na podlagi katerih relevantnih zgodovinskih virov si prišel do zaključka, da je NATO obrambna organizacija?

Pomembno vprašanje je, kaj se je zgodilo leta 2022 - Ukrajina se je odločila, da ne želi biti več država. In sedaj čakamo, da vidimo, ali se bodo streznili, dokler ni prepozno.

S tem, da se ni želela vrniti v nevtralnost, ampak je še naprej rinila v NATO - to so celo zapisali v ustavo in začeli sanjati o jedrskem orožju.

Eni še kar ne razumete, da male države nimajo pravic, o katerih bleja svobodni svet. Ne Ukrajina, ne Kuba, ne 3/4 sveta, ki ga dominira zahod. In potem debatirate iz nekih povsem izmišljenih okvirjev, ki nimajo nobene veze z realnostjo.

Ljubezen je slepa.

Mi smo imeli grozno nesrečo ker niso najprej vkorakali angleži in američani. Ne bi bilo 45 let komunizma, ne bi bilo pobojev, ne bi bilo sovraštva, bili bi razviti kot avstrijci. Povsem druga država bi bili danes.

avani je 10. jul 2022 ob 15:19 izjavil:

(upam da Link dela)

Zahodna in vzhodna Nemčija sta imeli po drugi vojni čisto enake startne pogoje. Nobene razlike. Eno je (deloma) zasedla ZDA, drugo Rusija. 40 let kasneje je bila ena obubožana, druga pa evropska velesila. Čisto isto se je zgodilo v Italiji, Avstriji, Koreji, japonskem. Po prihodu Američanov se je začel njihov razcvet. Konec koncev se bolj proameriski hrvaški godi dooosti bolje kot proruski Srbiji.

Relevanca?

Američani so pač dominirali 3/4 sveta, ter startali z industrijo, ki je dominirala svet. Rusi so bili porušeni.

Se ti res zdi, da so bili pogoji enaki?

endelin je 10. jul 2022 ob 15:21 izjavil:

Mi smo imeli grozno nesrečo ker niso najprej vkorakali angleži in američani. Ne bi bilo 45 let komunizma, ne bi bilo pobojev, ne bi bilo sovraštva, bili bi razviti kot avstrijci. Povsem druga država bi bili danes.

O tem, da je bilo na zahodni strani bolje, ni dileme.

Je pa hkrati povsem irelevantno.

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 14:51 izjavil:

Rusi branijo svoje vitalne varnostne interese. NATO je tisti, ki se je širil na vzhod brez kakršnega koli razloga. In sedaj pač zanjemo, kar smo sejali.

In Ukrajino smo že zapufali za par generacij v zameno za izgubo 2 nadaljnjih provinc. Mar jim nismo že dovolj "pomagali"?

Bedak. Ni NATO rinil na vzhod ampak so vzhodne države rinile v NATO. Koji ti je kurac. Ni NATO mafijska združba,ki sili države,da se mu pridružijo. Zakaj pa vzhodne države čutijo potrebo,da se pridružijo Natu ti ja pa menda jasno. Rusi so jih klačili od 1945 do 1990. Če ne bi bankrotirali bi jih še danes.

Ukrajinska publikacija navaja ukrajinskega ministra za notranje zadeve. Soli po okusu.

https://censor.net/ua/news/3353128/u_ro...

There is a scandal in the Russian Azmaz-Antey concern: S-400s cannot shoot down HIMARS missiles, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed this complex in Khartsyzk with these missiles, - Gerashchenko

Adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Anton Gerashchenko, made public the information that the use of the "HIMARS" anti-aircraft missile system by the Armed Forces of Ukraine caused a scandal among Russian arms manufacturers.

As Censor.NET he wrote about it on Facebook.

Gerashchenko noted: "The Russian Ministry of Defense has started a showdown with the management of the manufacturer of the vaunted S300 and S400 air defense systems, the Almaz-Antey concern."

The head of the Board - ex-Prime Minister of Russia Mykhailo Fradkov and the director of the concern Jan Novikov can not only lose their posts, but also receive criminal cases for undermining Russia's defense capabilities.

The leadership of this criminal organization, during the conclusion of multibillion-dollar contracts for the supply of the S-400, guaranteed that their air defense system would be guaranteed to shoot down not only planes and helicopters, but also missiles launched by the American RZSO "HIMARS".

As always happens in the military industry of Nazi Russia, the technical characteristics of the flagship complex of anti-aircraft defense were inflated many times, and the money allocated for the development of the S400 was embezzled.

The deception was revealed recently, when the S400 could not shoot down a single "HIMARS" missile either in Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, or Kherson regions.

Moreover, during the attack on the Russian military base in Khartsyzk, HIMARS missiles destroyed the S400 complex, which was supposed to cover this area from air strikes.

That is, the S400 anti-aircraft complex can not only protect the airspace, but is not even able to protect itself!

I think that this story will lead not only to high-profile resignations and criminal cases, but also to the refusal of potential buyers from the products of the Almaz-Antey concern.

I am sure that the C400 complex destroyed in Khartsyzk is not the last in the track record of "HIMARS" in Ukraine."

mackilla je 10. jul 2022 ob 15:54 izjavil:

Bedak. Ni NATO rinil na vzhod ampak so vzhodne države rinile v NATO. Koji ti je kurac. Ni NATO mafijska združba,ki sili države,da se mu pridružijo. Zakaj pa vzhodne države čutijo potrebo,da se pridružijo Natu ti ja pa menda jasno. Rusi so jih klačili od 1945 do 1990. Če ne bi bankrotirali bi jih še danes.

No, pa smo spet pri pravljicah, kjer suverene države same odločajo o svoji usodi.

Jaz komentiram realnost, ne alternativnega vesolja, ker američani širijo svobodo in demokracijo namesto vojaških diktatur.

Sicer pa, naj ti razloži ameriški veleposlanik:

https://twitter.com/Frontlinestory/stat...

A. Smith je 10. jul 2022 ob 16:19 izjavil:

Vse bivše članice SZ v EU so z Ukrajino neverjetno solidarne in izjemno nastrojene proti Rusiji. Čemu le?

Zaradi travmatičnih izkušenj pod rusko okupacijo. Nisi vedel tega?

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 16:31 izjavil:

A. Smith je 10. jul 2022 ob 16:19 izjavil:

Vse bivše članice SZ v EU so z Ukrajino neverjetno solidarne in izjemno nastrojene proti Rusiji. Čemu le?

Zaradi travmatičnih izkušenj pod rusko okupacijo. Nisi vedel tega?

Jaz sem se predvsem zate spraševal, če to veš. Lepo, da ti je to jasno.

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 16:53 izjavil:

To je očitno.

Vprašanje je le, zakaj naj bi bilo to pomembno.

Torej je pomebno samo kaj želijo Rusi ?
Želje ostalih so pač nepomembne ?

Zdej predvidevam, da boš na plano privlekel neko debilnost, da ne žokaš države z jedrskim orožjem. Well, fuck off...

A to je tak, ki po twitterju piše:

I am pro-Russian. True Russophiles understand that it would be absolutely horrible for Russians if Putin decided to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Si pač ena velika pizda Poldi, kot so ti že drugi povedali.

Nevem zakaj trpiš n tem groznem zahodu, ko imaš tako blizu obljubljeno Rusk deželo

Sicer pa Rusija ne bo napadla ane ;)

A čmo prlepit tvoje smele poste iz pol leta nazaj, kako se bo zahod osmešil, ko napoveduje da bo Rusija napadla

Drugi očitaš, da smo ovce, medtem ko se sam 24/7 paseš na ruski propagandi Ovca si Poldek, ovca. Sam mogoče imaš drug pašnik.

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 16:59 izjavil:

Edino na vašo smolo je ameriški ambasador je že priznal, da je šlo le za Božička:
https://twitter.com/Frontlinestory/stat...

Zdaj morate to dejstvo sprejeti le še ovčice.

Hmmmmm ?

Kaj ima veze kaj pravi bivši ambasador glede možnosti Ukrajine za v nato v leto 2021? Vse od 2014 dalje Ukrajina ne more v nato, ker nima urejenim meja s sosedami. Torej je povedal ubistvu da je voda mokra ?
Kaj se oklepaš sedaj zadnjih bilk ?

Če nasproti gornjemu postaviš dejstva koliko $$$ američani letos dejansko namenijo za orožje v UA + obveščevalna podpora kaj misliš da ia večjo težo ?

Jebena ovca si poldi. Takao s štokholmskim sidromom, ki se je navezala na svojega mučitelja Rusijo.

Posiljeni posiljevalec Poldi Takorekoč

Ko je Polda mlad fant, ga je posiljeval Jugo režim, sedaj pa si želi da ga posili še Ruski režim. Pa še vedno se mu toži po tem da ga ni posiljeval SZ režim, ker mu je bil Tito premehek

Rusi podarili več OTR-21 Tochka Lugansk regiji.

Fajn.

The deception was revealed recently, when the S400 could not shoot down a single "HIMARS" missile either in Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, or Kherson regions.

Moreover, during the attack on the Russian military base in Khartsyzk, HIMARS missiles destroyed the S400 complex, which was supposed to cover this area from air strikes.

That is, the S400 anti-aircraft complex can not only protect the airspace, but is not even able to protect itself!

Nemogoče, ko sem pred dvemi meseci napisal, da bodo MLRSji uničili protiletalske komplekse, so mi rusofili tukaj povedali, da preveč igram CoD. Zdaj pa šok, ko Zahodno orožje za razliko od ruskega deluje tako kot je oglaševano. V bistvu bolje - računal sem, da bodo potrebovali saturacijske napade (recimo salvo 12 raket) na baterijo, ampak očitno niti to ni potrebno. Koliko stane ena S400 baterija? En GMLRS je $160k. Vsekakor dober ROI.

Kmalu bodo S400 varni samo še 50km za rusko mejo. Samo zato, ker Ukrajinci ne smejo streljati čez mejo s HIMARS. To bo seveda močno omejilo njihovo uporabnost, ker ne bodo videli nizkoletečih objektov.

scythe je 10. jul 2022 ob 17:40 izjavil:

PrimoZ_ je 10. jul 2022 ob 17:13 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 16:59 izjavil:

Rusija je država z močjo, Ukrajina kot njihova provinca pač ne. Posledično je pomembno, kaj mislijo rusi in ne, kaj mislijo ukrajinci.

Torej povej mi kje se dobiva da te prefukam ko vola ?
Saj veš močnejši ima prav.

Posiljevalec Poldi

Poldek gre po poteh VladarP-ja, že od teme Ukrajina II hoče vsem dopovedati, da Rusija ni nič kriva. Kriv je NATO, ZDA, Zelenski.....itd :D

Zdej si je šel nalit štamparle šnopca.
potem bo pa prebutal ženo, kaj pa ma babnica za govorit kolk lahko on spije, saj je o vendar močnejš in ma vedno prav!

Pa če je njegov ata lahko prtepal mamo, potem vendarle lahko tudi o pretepa ženo!

Na tradcijo je vendarle treba nekaj dat.

Poldi, kaj je to?

https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/sta...

In Amsterdam, left-wing activists are protesting an event from the far-right, pro-Russian MH17-truthers of Forum for Democracy (FvD) that features the Russian ambassador to 🇳🇱, among other people.

"Putin's scum, off our streets* the chant a few minutes before the event kicks off, a small group of police separating the line of the event from protesters by 20m or so

Putinizem je fašizem. Dober slogan.

l0g1t3ch je 10. jul 2022 ob 17:51 izjavil:

D3m je 10. jul 2022 ob 17:47 izjavil:

Tudi če jih ne uporabljajo jih lahko podarijo iz rezerve. :)

Tudi za streljanje na železniško postajo s civilisti ?

Ojej, ojej... Pa stalno pravijo, da oni pa že ne streljajo na civiliste... ccc

So že ugotovili, da so bili UA.

Lp.

"How to Tankie". The Darth Putin Guide. Vers 2.0

1.
Russia never invaded anyone. We:

-Enter country that recently ceased to restore order
-Defend Russia(ns) in other country
-False flag
-Assist "legitimate government"
-Special Military Operation (duh)

2"What about USA (insert false equivalence)/Just like USA (false equivalence)". Cos USA did something wrong it means Russia can do the same wrong and not be wrong. It does not mean we are only as bad as USA

Possibly most important rule

3. Countries in Russia's "near abroad" were created to exist as buffer states and have fewer sovereign rights than rich western countries.

4.Their citizens are unable to protest for better government without help. This isn't racist & is always
-NATO "expansion"
-CIA plot
-US imperialism
-George Soros (or other anti semitic trope)

5. NATO made a promise it would never "expand" east after 1990, even though Gorbachev says in a Russian state outlet that this is not the case. (linked in article)
https://t.co/8YctFckLmU
6 Which means NATO made promise to USSR (that no longer exists) that no member of Warsaw Pact (that no longer exists) made up of countries that no longer exist AND countries that didn't then exist, would ever be allowed to join NATO.

They have limited sovereignty. See point 3

7. It is thus a genuine mystery why so many of our former colonies want to join NATO. Russia is peaceful country surrounded by ceasefires https://t.co/cBxwcSPye1

8 All Russia wants is "respect". It does not matter if this means treating our buffer states with disrespect. They have fewer rights.
Again. See point 3 for details

9.NATO, which borders 6% of Russia, is encircling Russia. NATO "expanded" east in 1997 before Russia had to defensively expand west in 1992.

The fact that 99.9% of tankies have no idea what this means is proof it is wrong. https://t.co/k6jwkxCjJ7

10.Threatening to defend yourself against Russia is aggressive so we must threaten to attack you in response.


11. Absolutely nothing happened between September 1939 & June 1941. We were forced to sign deal with Nazis to protect east Europe from fascism. There was no
-mass murder
-deportations to slave labor camps
-secret clauses.

Before or after our "protection" started

12. The Soviet Union never committed crimes against humanity and anyway, they never happened a long time ago so you can't blame Russia

Russia is the self declared successor state to USSR but this doesn't matter

13. "We just don't want a war between US & Russia, you neo con war shill!!" West should appease Russia & let it have Ukraine, this is realpolitik (we don't sound like Kissinger). There's no parallel we can learn from about appeasing a dictator, it always turns out just fine.

14. Russia is only acting to Ukraine as USA did with Cuba. The fact that US behavior towards Cuba is imperialist was wrong but it means it's ok for Russia to do the same and not be wrong or imperialist

See point 2.
15. What would USA do if Mexico or Canada joined a Russian/China led anti US alliance? The fact we can't explain why neither Mexico nor Canada feel need for external protection from USA is irrelevant and it's russophobic to ask why.

See point 2.


...



34. The people most certain Russia would never invade Ukraine are the ones now most certain only they know how to end it. Their past idiocy is no guide to future stupidity.


Več lahko preberete tukaj:
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/statu...

nejclp je 10. jul 2022 ob 18:59 izjavil:

"How to Tankie". The Darth Putin Guide. Vers 2.0

1.
Russia never invaded anyone. We:

-Enter country that recently ceased to restore order
-Defend Russia(ns) in other country
-False flag
-Assist "legitimate government"
-Special Military Operation (duh)

2"What about USA (insert false equivalence)/Just like USA (false equivalence)". Cos USA did something wrong it means Russia can do the same wrong and not be wrong. It does not mean we are only as bad as USA

Possibly most important rule

3. Countries in Russia's "near abroad" were created to exist as buffer states and have fewer sovereign rights than rich western countries.

4.Their citizens are unable to protest for better government without help. This isn't racist & is always
-NATO "expansion"
-CIA plot
-US imperialism
-George Soros (or other anti semitic trope)

5. NATO made a promise it would never "expand" east after 1990, even though Gorbachev says in a Russian state outlet that this is not the case. (linked in article)
https://t.co/8YctFckLmU
6 Which means NATO made promise to USSR (that no longer exists) that no member of Warsaw Pact (that no longer exists) made up of countries that no longer exist AND countries that didn't then exist, would ever be allowed to join NATO.

They have limited sovereignty. See point 3

7. It is thus a genuine mystery why so many of our former colonies want to join NATO. Russia is peaceful country surrounded by ceasefires https://t.co/cBxwcSPye1

8 All Russia wants is "respect". It does not matter if this means treating our buffer states with disrespect. They have fewer rights.
Again. See point 3 for details

9.NATO, which borders 6% of Russia, is encircling Russia. NATO "expanded" east in 1997 before Russia had to defensively expand west in 1992.

The fact that 99.9% of tankies have no idea what this means is proof it is wrong. https://t.co/k6jwkxCjJ7

10.Threatening to defend yourself against Russia is aggressive so we must threaten to attack you in response.


11. Absolutely nothing happened between September 1939 & June 1941. We were forced to sign deal with Nazis to protect east Europe from fascism. There was no
-mass murder
-deportations to slave labor camps
-secret clauses.

Before or after our "protection" started

12. The Soviet Union never committed crimes against humanity and anyway, they never happened a long time ago so you can't blame Russia

Russia is the self declared successor state to USSR but this doesn't matter

13. "We just don't want a war between US & Russia, you neo con war shill!!" West should appease Russia & let it have Ukraine, this is realpolitik (we don't sound like Kissinger). There's no parallel we can learn from about appeasing a dictator, it always turns out just fine.

14. Russia is only acting to Ukraine as USA did with Cuba. The fact that US behavior towards Cuba is imperialist was wrong but it means it's ok for Russia to do the same and not be wrong or imperialist

See point 2.
15. What would USA do if Mexico or Canada joined a Russian/China led anti US alliance? The fact we can't explain why neither Mexico nor Canada feel need for external protection from USA is irrelevant and it's russophobic to ask why.

See point 2.


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34. The people most certain Russia would never invade Ukraine are the ones now most certain only they know how to end it. Their past idiocy is no guide to future stupidity.


Več lahko preberete tukaj:
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/statu...

Poldijev priročnik. Ma memu milu.

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 17:58 izjavil:

To so državljani, ki protestirajo.

Na delovanje države ne vplivajo, so pa super za preusmerjanje pozornosti.

Haha, kera budala si ti.
No deloma imaš prav, v diktaturah res kaj prida ne vplivajo.
Recimo v Rusiji, kjer te dajo na hladno za 15 let :)

26. In west you are to shout "USA did evil". In Russia you are also free to shout "USA/west did evil". You are also free to shout Russia did evil but you will not be free afterwards.

mackilla je 10. jul 2022 ob 19:13 izjavil:

Poldijev priročnik. Ma memu milu.

A to so tiste zaprašene knjige po katerih Poldek brska pred vsakim vpisom na forum? In potem nam prodaja "resnico"... Facepalm da poči lobanja.

FrRoSt je 10. jul 2022 ob 19:50 izjavil:

nejclp je 10. jul 2022 ob 15:12 izjavil:

Razen če ni bil razlog ruskega napada, krepitev in širitev Nata.

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 15:11 izjavil:

Pomembno vprašanje je, kaj se je zgodilo leta 2022 - Ukrajina se je odločila, da ne želi biti več država. In sedaj čakamo, da vidimo, ali se bodo streznili, dokler ni prepozno.

A s tem, da je napadla Rusijo? Kaj se je zgodilo l. 2022?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y3TO5MMk...

l0g1t3ch je 10. jul 2022 ob 19:44 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 10. jul 2022 ob 17:58 izjavil:

To so državljani, ki protestirajo.

Na delovanje države ne vplivajo, so pa super za preusmerjanje pozornosti.

Haha, kera budala si ti.
No deloma imaš prav, v diktaturah res kaj prida ne vplivajo.
Recimo v Rusiji, kjer te dajo na hladno za 15 let :)

26. In west you are to shout "USA did evil". In Russia you are also free to shout "USA/west did evil". You are also free to shout Russia did evil but you will not be free afterwards.

Budale ste vi, neonacistične ukrajinske počkice!

Budale ste vi, neonacistične ruske počkice!