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D3m ::

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Prva krivda in kršenje dogovora je bilo vmešavanje EU + USA v Ukrajinske volitve ostalo je sledilo potem.


Rusi dgrugače radi povdarjajo da si države same izbirajo zaveznike, če so ti slučajno rusi.


Si lahko ampak moraš nositi tudi posledice in reakcije drugih držav. >:)
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gozdar1 ::

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Prva krivda in kršenje dogovora je bilo vmešavanje EU + USA v Ukrajinske volitve ostalo je sledilo potem.


Rusi dgrugače radi povdarjajo da si države same izbirajo zaveznike, če so ti slučajno rusi.


Si lahko ampak moraš nositi tudi posledice in reakcije drugih držav. >:)


Torej amerika v bistvu ne dela nič narobe, ali pa izrael. No samo da se razumemo.

Poldi112 ::

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Vbistvu sio rusi v ukrajini dokaz , da ruski podpis ne velja nič.


Sem že enkrat napisal, da ne znate brati podpisanih dogovorov.

Rusi niso krivi podpisa, krivi so kontra reakcije.


Ukrajina se je na račun tega odpovedala jedrskemu orožju. Rusi se seveda sedaj izgovarjajo , da to ni del sporazuma.
POleg tega ukrajina ni v natu, eu pa upam da ne predstavlja varnostne grožnje rusiji.


Glej, sporazumi gor ali dol, rusi pač ne bodo tolerirali nadaljnih NATO razširitev, ENAKO kot usa ni tolerirala ruskih raket na kubi. Zahod jih je sicer po razpadu SZ dobro nategnil in se razširil, ko so bili na tleh, zdaj so se pa pobrali in ignoriranje njihovih varnostnih pomislekov pač ni opcija.

In ja, za njih NATO definitivno predstavlja grožnjo. Naj te opomnim, da so gospodarsko neprimerno bolj švoh od EU, kaj šele NATA. Poleg tega niso pozabili, kako so jih švabi 2x napadli, pred njimi pa še francozi.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

Še en potencialen ping, smrt Doku Umarova.

https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status...
You can see key figures of this FSB hit team converging on the North Caucasus ahead of the 2014 Sochi Olympics. Not saying he was the target but Doku Umarov was supposedly poisoned with a “highly toxic substance” in August/September 2013 and the details have always been hazy.
Protecting the games was a top security priority for Moscow in 2013. Umarov, probably Russia’s best-known terrorist leader at that point, had called for attacks on the games just a few months before his death.
The version put out by insurgency leaders was that he was poisoned after eating food purchased on the roadside in Ingushetia in early August 2013 and died a month later. They claimed it wasn’t an assassination. This was an early confirmation of his death.
The body was reported recovered in 2017, by which time FSB sources were taking credit for the assassination (there have been other reports that Umarov was not the main target).


https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/09/...
Umarov’s remains, along with four of his bodyguards' were discovered Sept. 25 and brought to Moscow for examination, the pro-Kremlin REN.TV reported.
An unidentified source close to the FSB told the Interfax news agency on Wednesday that Umarov had been poisoned in 2013 by Russian special forces “with a highly-toxic substance.”


gtranslate:
https://www.interfax.ru/world/580822
Doku Umarov, who was called "the number one terrorist in the North Caucasus", died of poisoning with a highly toxic substance in 2013. An informed source told Interfax on Wednesday.
"In 2013, a special operation was carried out in Ingushetia, where Umarov was. He died as a result of poisoning with a potent substance," the source said.
According to him, the remains of Umarov, recently discovered in Ingushetia, were transported to Moscow "with special precautions due to their high toxicity."
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

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Predstavljaj si situacijo, da rusi ali kitajci na Kubi namestijo svoje jedrske rakete.

Alternativa bi bila, da Kuba ali kaka druga severno/srednjeameriška država poskusi vstopit v varnostno zavezništvo s Kitajsko ali Rusijo. Lahko bi se mu reklo Karakaški pakt.


USA ima okoli rusov in kitajcev jedrsko orožje in radarje. Pri sebi pa tega ne tolerira. In ti iz nekega čudnega razloga zagovarjaš ta dvojna merila in ruse označuješ za agresorje.

Kaj se je zgodilo s Kubo vemo - invazija ter skorajšnja jedrska vojna z rusi.

Zakaj po tvojem kubanci nimajo pravice, da jih pred ameriškimi teroristi ščitijo ruske jedrske rakete?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

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Zakaj po tvojem kubanci nimajo pravice, da jih pred ameriškimi teroristi ščitijo ruske jedrske rakete?

In kdo pravi, da jih ne? Rusija ima po morjih skritih cel kup SSBN-jev...

Lepo, da te skrbi za ruska čustva, ampak malo razumevanja lahko pokažeš tudi za njene sosede, ki so jim delali krivico tako v carski Rusiji, kot pod SZ in tudi zdaj nič kaj ne kaže na spremembe.
Sam sem bolj na njihovi strani, kot rečeno je Rusija velika in poseduje konkreten jedrski arzenal, ki ga lahko uporabi za samoobrambo ali kar tako.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

D3m ::

gozdar1 je izjavil:

D3m je izjavil:

gozdar1 je izjavil:

D3m je izjavil:

Prva krivda in kršenje dogovora je bilo vmešavanje EU + USA v Ukrajinske volitve ostalo je sledilo potem.


Rusi dgrugače radi povdarjajo da si države same izbirajo zaveznike, če so ti slučajno rusi.


Si lahko ampak moraš nositi tudi posledice in reakcije drugih držav. >:)


Torej amerika v bistvu ne dela nič narobe, ali pa izrael. No samo da se razumemo.


Rusi in Kitajci tudi ne. Dobro, da se razumemo.

Lp.

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Vbistvu sio rusi v ukrajini dokaz , da ruski podpis ne velja nič.


Sem že enkrat napisal, da ne znate brati podpisanih dogovorov.

Rusi niso krivi podpisa, krivi so kontra reakcije.


Ukrajina se je na račun tega odpovedala jedrskemu orožju. Rusi se seveda sedaj izgovarjajo , da to ni del sporazuma.
POleg tega ukrajina ni v natu, eu pa upam da ne predstavlja varnostne grožnje rusiji.


Glej, sporazumi gor ali dol, rusi pač ne bodo tolerirali nadaljnih NATO razširitev, ENAKO kot usa ni tolerirala ruskih raket na kubi. Zahod jih je sicer po razpadu SZ dobro nategnil in se razširil, ko so bili na tleh, zdaj so se pa pobrali in ignoriranje njihovih varnostnih pomislekov pač ni opcija.

In ja, za njih NATO definitivno predstavlja grožnjo. Naj te opomnim, da so gospodarsko neprimerno bolj švoh od EU, kaj šele NATA. Poleg tega niso pozabili, kako so jih švabi 2x napadli, pred njimi pa še francozi.


Pa američani in angleži.
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Poldi112 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Zakaj po tvojem kubanci nimajo pravice, da jih pred ameriškimi teroristi ščitijo ruske jedrske rakete?

In kdo pravi, da jih ne? Rusija ima po morjih skritih cel kup SSBN-jev...

Lepo, da te skrbi za ruska čustva, ampak malo razumevanja lahko pokažeš tudi za njene sosede, ki so jim delali krivico tako v carski Rusiji, kot pod SZ in tudi zdaj nič kaj ne kaže na spremembe.
Sam sem bolj na njihovi strani, kot rečeno je Rusija velika in poseduje konkreten jedrski arzenal, ki ga lahko uporabi za samoobrambo ali kar tako.


Še kar se izvijaš. Kot da ne poznamo zgodovine, ko se je USA dobesedno utrgalo, ko so izvedeli za ruske rakete na kubi, in so izvedli invazijo ter se skoraj zapletli v jedrsko vojno.

Dol mi visi za ruska čustva ter žrtve njihovih "avantur". Zgolj komentiram retardiranost širitve NATA na vzhod ter tiščanje glave v pesek glede varnostnih interesov velesil.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Pac-Man ::

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Še kar se izvijaš. Kot da ne poznamo zgodovine, ko se je USA dobesedno utrgalo, ko so izvedeli za ruske rakete na kubi, in so izvedli invazijo ter se skoraj zapletli v jedrsko vojno.

Z invazijo verjetno misliš na prašičji zaliv? Kjer se je dogajalo od 17. do 20. aprila 1961.

Bay of Pigs Invasion @ Wikipedia

Kubanska raketna kriza je bila od 16. oktobra do 20. novembra 1962.

Cuban Missile Crisis @ Wikipedia

Nekaj ne klapa...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Nov ping - ko je abkazijskega politika in zdajšnjega predsednika obšla slabost & je na koncu pristal hospitaliziran v Moskvi, so člani ekipe potovali v Soči, ki je v neposredni bližini. Podobne simptome sta dobila tudi dva njegova varnostnika.
Rusija zanika, da bi bil zastrupljen, v Münchnu so mu v krvi diagnosticirali zastrupitev s težkimi kovinami (živo srebro, aluminij, kadmij).

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/13...
Possible lead here from @hottabych777 -- an Abkhazian opposition leader was poisoned in April 2019. Intersects with some trips to Sochi (a nice beach destination, but the Sochi airport is also literally a 20-minute drive to Abkhazia's border)
Even more suspicious, the flights to Sochi at around the time of the poisoning were taken by the fake identity of Alexandrov ("Frolov"). You don't use your fake FSB cover identity for a beach vacation with your wife and kids (maybe for a mistress if he has one, though).


Aslan Bzhania @ Wikipedia

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https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0...
On April 17, 2019, Bzhania was hospitalized in a hospital due to a sharp deterioration in health Sochi . Local doctors found it difficult to make an unambiguous diagnosis, and against the background of Bzhania's deteriorating health, it was decided to urgently export him to Moscow. On April 18, Bzhania, in critical condition, was taken to the department of the neurology V.M.Buyanov Moscow City Clinical Hospital. According to the Moscow doctors who provided first aid to Bzhania, the likelihood of death during the flight from Sochi to Moscow was "very high." On April 21, Moscow City with similar symptoms at the Sklifosovsky Research Institute of Emergency Medicine two security officers, Kyasou Darsalia and Levan Bzhania, were hospitalized [30] .

On May 17, at a press conference, the Abkhaz opposition presented the results of analyzes carried out in Munich , Germany . According to the test results, Bzhania was poisoned by heavy metals such as mercury , aluminum and cadmium . The document emphasizes that the biological material for analysis was taken after two procedures blood purification , which means that the indicators at the time of hospitalization were close to critical [31] . On June 6, 2019, Bzhania was taken by special board to Berlin, Germany, where he underwent a course of treatment and rehabilitation in several German clinics [32] . After the acute phase of poisoning had passed, Bzhania could not speak for a long time due to problems with the respiratory system, he could hardly move, only with a stick [24] .

In Abkhaz society and in the republican press, disputes flared up about who could have poisoned Bzhania. According to Inal Khashig, editor-in-chief of the Chegemskaya Pravda newspaper in Sukhum, “the poisoning is strange, the methods are clearly not Abkhazian” [24



https://apsadgil.info/news/politics/gen...
The interviewed doctors of the Buyanov Moscow Clinical Hospital categorically deny the poisoning of Aslan Bzhania, Deputy Prosecutor General of Abkhazia Eshsou Kakaliya said at a meeting in Parliament on June 5, reported Sputnik Abkhazia .
As for the analysis of biomaterials of Aslan Bzhania, made in Munich, according to which an increased content of mercury, cadmium, aluminum, benzodiazepines was found in the blood of the opposition leader, they are not taken into account in the Moscow clinic, he stressed.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Pac-Man ::

Še en, omenjajo podobnost s 1. primerom na
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t767997/p698...


https://twitter.com/sl0zhny/status/1344...
Ruslan Magomedragimov was found dead in Kaspiysk on 24 March 2015. Two points were visible on the neck of Magomedragimov, similar to marks from injections with a syringe.

Osipov:
20.03.2015 Moscow Vladikavkaz
26.03.2015 Vladikavkaz Moscow


https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles...
Ruslan Magomedragimov, an activist of the movement "Sadval", was killed, and his death was not caused by natural reasons. This opinion was expressed by Dagestani experts interviewed by the "Caucasian Knot". According to the leader of the movement "Sadval", Ruslan Magomedragimov was involved in conflicts in Lezgin community, and he did not hide his anti-Azerbaijani sentiments.

https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles...
Activists Timur Kuashev and Ruslan Magomeragimov died under mysterious circumstances; and their relatives stated marks from injection needle on their bodies, note Albert Esedov, the leader of the movement "Sadval", and Orhan Jemal, a journalist of the Forbes magazine.

Lezgistan @ Wikipedia
The Lezgin National Movement, "Sadval" (Unity) was established in July 1990 in Derbent, Dagestan, Russia (then Soviet Union).[7] They demanded the unification of the Lezgin people (in Azerbaijan and Dagestan) because they had been "denied the opportunity to develop their culture" under Soviet rule.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Pac-Man ::

Navalni se v nedeljo vrača v domovino.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/13...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

vostok_1 ::

Bad move.

Dvomim, da bodo ponovili napako.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
You are the Baddie.

D3m ::

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