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49106 ::

ajdov je izjavil:

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Tole lockdownerji podpirajo


Seveda, sicer ne bi bili fašisti.

vostok_1 ::

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https://www.rtvslo.si/zdravje/novi-koro...

In zgleda, da imamo covid-21. (potentially)

-nov virus pride izven viška sezone, sredi lockdownov.
-virus je začuda bolj prenosljiv, kar se ne ravno sklada z lockdowni
-virus pride ravno decembra, kot covid-19, da doseže maksimum efekt za celo sezono. Dark Winter, remember?
-ravno ko je folk začel se prebujati od bullšita, ki ga nam propagirajo
-vsi mediji složno nazaj navalijo s terorizmom


Fantje, počasli lahko res začnemo se posmehovati, TEORETIKOM NAKLJUČJI.
Letos je bilo toliko perfektno tajmiranih naključji, da bi še reptiljanci se praskali po glavi.

Sicer pa ne poznam enega pod 30, ki bi še vrjel v mainstream narativo.
Okapi, Sheeskhar itd. delajo družbo boomerjem in mainstream medijem v pedlanju bullšita.

Teoretiki naključji. :)):))

PS. Res se lahko začnemo posmehovati od teh ljudi.
Na kraj pameti jim ni pršlo, da bi lahko nekdo v letu 2020 naredil genetsko inženiran virus in z njim dosegel svoje cilje.
Res...to je tako za lase privlečen scenarij, da bi se ga še reptiljanci sramovali.

Sploh nimamo tisoče labov, ki dela na patogenih.
Sloh nimamo tehnologije, ki nam omogoča dokaj precizen genetski inženiring.
Sploh nimamo elite, ki nam že celo leto predstavlja svojo agendo.
Sploh se ne dogajajo reči, ki smo jih napovedovali marca/aprila.

Nope. None of that is true.


:))
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

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CoolBits ::

The plan is about to fail.
https://twitter.com/a17time/status/1340...

vostok_1 ::

 Slovenski mediji, propaganda. Very nice...kot, da nam nekaj želijo sporočiti.

Slovenski mediji, propaganda. Very nice...kot, da nam nekaj želijo sporočiti.


https://www.rtvslo.si/zdravje/novi-koro...
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

vostok_1 ::

PS. Anti-koronarji v glavni temi so izvedli smackdown pro-koronarjev.
Toliko informaciji, da padeš dol. Maske bullšit. Lockdown povzroča kolaps družbe. itd.

Kot rečeno...praktično ne poznam osebe pod 30, ki bi vrjel v to bullšit covid narativo.

Samo boomer in early genX pionirčki vrjamejo še v establišment.


Teoretki naključji, kaj čmo.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

sheeshkar ::

Še več, pozabil si, da se vse to dogaja ravno v obdobju retrogradnega Merkurja! In ravno danes je Rudy Gobert, ki je s Covidom okužil celotno NBA, podpisal pogodbo za 200 milijonov dolarjev. Med lastniki NBA franšiz je tudi Steve Ballmer, nekdanji CEO Microsofta... Naključje?

P.S.
Alien od zadaj se bere Neil A. Prvi človek na Luni. Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates Takes Over NASA... Hmm, sami neprebojni dokazi!

Mr.B ::

Kaj ti je vostok dolgcas s pogovorom sam sabo ?https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comme...
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

el_bahattee ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:


Na kraj pameti jim ni pršlo, da bi lahko nekdo v letu 2020 naredil genetsko inženiran virus in z njim dosegel svoje cilje.
Res...to je tako za lase privlečen scenarij, da bi se ga še reptiljanci sramovali.

Sploh nimamo tisoče labov, ki dela na patogenih.
Sloh nimamo tehnologije, ki nam omogoča dokaj precizen genetski inženiring.
Sploh nimamo elite, ki nam že celo leto predstavlja svojo agendo.
Sploh se ne dogajajo reči, ki smo jih napovedovali marca/aprila.

Sploh pa nimate dokazov, to je problem.
Obstoj labov in tehnologije še ni dokaz. Pa saj še sam uporabljaš pogojnik "bi lahko naredil genetsko inženiran virus". Bi lahko še ne pomeni, da tudi je. V teoriji je mogoče veliko zadev.

Dokazali niste še praktično ničesar. Kje so dokazi, da se celotno svetovno zdravstvo moti ozirima je zavedeno?

Vsemogočnih elit tudi še vedno niste imenovali, imena že dolgo čakamo, saj razen Gates-a, ki ga tlačite v vsako temo, povezano s corona virusom, niste omenili nikogar drugega. Tudi njihov ciljev še vedno niste jasno definirali.

Pravtako se očitno še niste odločili, katera od številnih različic teorij zarot bo prava. Kje so dokazi, da je virus umetno ustvarjen? Kdo je ustvaril virus? Američani? Kitajci?

Dajte se že odločiti za eno različico, stojte za njo in nam predstavite jasne dokaze. Pa prosim, ne raznih dr. Potrčev, besednih iger, izsekov starih Gatesovih intervjujev in slik knjig na polici. Bo lažje za vse.
Come to my center, you enter the winter.

vostok_1 ::

Go away. Dovolj mi je vas.

Kaže, da boste postali manjšina.
And that's when the fun starts.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

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el_bahattee ::

vostok_1 je izjavil:

Kaže, da boste postali manjšina.
And that's when the fun starts.

Ne srečo se spet motiš. Velika večina ljudi na srečo rajši zaupa znanosti in svetovni stroki kot raznim dr. Potrčem in FB dokazom. In ni razloga, da bi se to spremenilo. Jaz skorajda ne poznam nikogar, ki bi verjel v divje teorije zarot, ki jih širite. To velja za moje stike tako v EU kot zunaj. Dobro, morda res poznam enega ali dva "kandidata", pa še tadva nista tako globoko zabredla in ne omenjata laboratorijev, Gatesa in "elit", ampak samo dvomita o smiselnosti ukrepov. Tako da ni govora o večini.

Očitno si samo pregloboko vkopan v svoji kliki teoretikov zarot, da bi videl realno sliko. Dogaja se točno to, kar je napovedoval dokumentarec The Social Dilemma. Ni čudno, da v letu 2020 še vedno poznamo fenomen flat-eartherjev.:D
Come to my center, you enter the winter.

Barakuda1 ::

Če lahko v javnih medijih preberemo:

Novi sev se širi hitreje

Čeprav to še ni popolnoma jasno, je britanski premier Boris Johnson po poročanju BBC-ja dejal, da je lahko novi sev novega koronavirusa do 70 odstotkov bolj nalezljiv od prejšnjega. Novi sev se sicer širi hitreje, a naj ne bi bil nevarnejši za zdravje, prav tako pa ne kaže, da bi se na cepivo odzival drugače.

(celoten članek, ki je nekako v istem stilu, lahko najdete tukaj)

Potem je skoraj malce neokusno pljuvati po vseh, ki so do uradnih medijev in njihovoh sporočil, če nič drugega, vsaj skeptični.

Hočeš nočeš, sa namreč človek vpraša:
- ali je premier Boris Johnson kak svetovno priznan epidemiolog?
- na podlagi česa so (bolje, je premier Boris Johnson) prišli do strokovnega zaključka, da je novi sev novega koronavirusa do 70 odstotkov bolj nalezljiv od prejšnjega
- kako po nekaj primer vedo, da naj ne bi bil nevarnejši za zdravje od prejšnjih sevov.
- koliko bolnikov z novim sevom so že cepili, da si upajo trditi kako se nov sev virosa , kot kaže,naj ne bi na cepivo odzival drugače.
- Pri kolikih bolnikih so nov sev ploh odkrili in kako so ga odkrili ( s hitrim testiranjem, obdukcijskimi izvidi? kako?

Nekam mnogo trditev, z malo odgovori.

In zakaj je zaupanja zmeraj manj.

Zato, ker se ljudje še spomnijo uradnih zagotovitev, kako je nek malomaren kuhar, na umazani tržnici v Wuahanu, kupil polcrknjenega netopiraja, ga slabo prekuhal in se tako okužil.

Temu pa so sledile deloma poluradne informacije, ali informacijev stilu "blizu uradnim virom itd, pa tudi čiste spekulacije, ki jih ni nihče uradno demantiral, ali pa so bile demantirane na način, "mogoče pa je vseeno vse skupaj res", da bi zgodba, tudi v medijih potem dobila nov zamah.
Bila je kopica trditev, kako je neodgovorno hodil naokrog in okužil še ostale, ki so potem množično sedli v avione in se namerno odpeljali v severno Italijo. Tam naj bi med drugim obiskali vsako nogometno tekmo, ki je bila takrat igrana, da bi tako okužili čimveč navijačev.

Večina javnomedijskih sporočil ni bila sicer dobesedno taka, ampak - neko v tem stilu.Torej, bolj so s takšnimi zgodbicami soglašali kot pa da bi jih odločno in argumentirano demantirali.
Tako je sprava praktično za vse javne medije (kot tudi velik del stroke - vsaj tiste, ki se je javno oglasila) nesporno, bila kriva tržnica in polcrknjen netopir, iz katerega je nekdo skuhal juho, okuženi zlobni Kitajci pa so množično zapuščali Wuhan, pri čemer jim je bila glavna destinacija severna Italija.

Mnenjski voditelji vseh vrst, javni mediji in stroka, se tej grozljivi zgodbi, če je že niso sami skonstruirali, se ji vsaj niso argumentirano postavili po robu. V nojboljšem primeru so molčali, kar pa je praktično isto, kot če bi takšne zgodbe potrdili.

Mar se poetem res še kdo čudi, če je zaupanje, tako v mnenjske voditelje, kot v medije in stroko, padlo tako nizko kot je?

Se potem res še kdo čudi, če je tistih ki se nagibajo k temu, da bi vsaj deloma vrjeli teoretikom zarot, iz dneva v dan več, na eni strani; in tistih, ki vrjamejo vodilnim javnim medijem, mnenjskim vodjem in stroki, iz dneva v dan manj?
Preden se razburiš pomisli, če ne gre morda za sarkazem

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Okapi ::

Barakuda1 je izjavil:

Potem je skoraj malce neokusno pljuvati po vseh, ki so do uradnih medijev in njihovoh sporočil, če nič drugega, vsaj skeptični.

Nihče ne pljuva po tistih, ki s(m)o skeptični.

Ampak če ne ločiš med skeptiki, ki kritično beremo novinarske prispevke, in lunatiki, ki verjamejo v teorijo o svetovni zaroti, potem ti pač ne morem pomagati.

In kot sem že parkrat napisal, ni mogoče resno skeptično debatirati, če neprestano uletavajo lunatiki, ki razlagajo o Venderbiltih, Billyju, NWO, prostozidarjih, reptilih...

CoolBits ::

Barakuda1 ::

Okapi je izjavil:



Ampak če ne ločiš med skeptiki, ki kritično beremo novinarske prispevke, in lunatiki, ki verjamejo v teorijo o svetovni zaroti, potem ti pač ne morem pomagati.




8-O

Meni ne rabiš nič pomagati. Če do sedaj še nisi ugotovil, kam spadam, potem jaz tebi ne morem pomagati:(
Preden se razburiš pomisli, če ne gre morda za sarkazem

vostok_1 ::

Okapi je izjavil:

Barakuda1 je izjavil:

Potem je skoraj malce neokusno pljuvati po vseh, ki so do uradnih medijev in njihovoh sporočil, če nič drugega, vsaj skeptični.

Nihče ne pljuva po tistih, ki s(m)o skeptični.

Ampak če ne ločiš med skeptiki, ki kritično beremo novinarske prispevke, in lunatiki, ki verjamejo v teorijo o svetovni zaroti, potem ti pač ne morem pomagati.

In kot sem že parkrat napisal, ni mogoče resno skeptično debatirati, če neprestano uletavajo lunatiki, ki razlagajo o Venderbiltih, Billyju, NWO, prostozidarjih, reptilih...


Saj razumeš, da se ti vsi smejejo pri takih izjavah?
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

stroj66684 ::

V tem članku The Lancet izpostavlja problem z PCR testom. Kajti pri virusu ošpic lahko RNA zaznavajo tudi po 6-8 tednov prebolevanju. Imunski sistem lahko viruse nevtralizira tako, da lizira njihovo ovojnico ali združuje virusne delce; ti procesi preprečujejo poznejšo okužbo, ne izločajo pa nukleinske kisline, ki se sčasoma počasi razgrajuje. Enako velja za druge bolezni kot so Zika, MERS in SARS, da je virusno RNA mogoče odkriti še dolgo po izginotju nalezljivega virusa.

Kaj piše v članku Are you infectious if you have a positive PCR test result for COVID-19?:
PCR odkrivanje virusov je koristno, če se razumejo njegove omejitve; medtem ko RNA zazna v majhnih količinah, je potrebna previdnost pri rezultatih, saj pogosto ne zazna infekcijskega virusa.

Te študije so zagotovile omejene podatke spremenljive kakovosti, da verjetno PCR rezultati sami po sebi ne bodo predvideli virusne kulture iz človeških vzorcev. Morda je bilo premalo pozornosti, kako so rezultati PCR povezani z boleznijo. Povezava z nalezljivostjo ni jasna in o tem je potrebnih več podatkov.

Če tega ne razumemo, lahko rezultati PCR privedejo do omejitev za velike skupine ljudi, ki ne predstavljajo tveganja za okužbo.

Rezultati kažejo, da je treba uporabiti mejne vrednosti virusne RNA: da bi razumeli, kdo je nalezljiv, obseg izbruha in za nadzor prenosa.

vostok_1 ::

Točno to kar govorim že od vsega začetka.
PCR je lahko uporabno laboratorijsko orodje, če veš kaj delaš in da delaš prav.

PCR za epidemijo covida-19 je totalen scam.

Okapi še čaka članek na 24ur, da mu to obrazloži.
#zanesljiviMediji
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

ajdov ::

še who sam to priznava https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-202...

zanimivo a ne

el_bahattee ::

Okapi je izjavil:

Barakuda1 je izjavil:

Potem je skoraj malce neokusno pljuvati po vseh, ki so do uradnih medijev in njihovoh sporočil, če nič drugega, vsaj skeptični.

Nihče ne pljuva po tistih, ki s(m)o skeptični.

Ampak če ne ločiš med skeptiki, ki kritično beremo novinarske prispevke, in lunatiki, ki verjamejo v teorijo o svetovni zaroti, potem ti pač ne morem pomagati.

In kot sem že parkrat napisal, ni mogoče resno skeptično debatirati, če neprestano uletavajo lunatiki, ki razlagajo o Venderbiltih, Billyju, NWO, prostozidarjih, reptilih...

Se strinjam. Po svoje je škoda, ker vostok kljub očitni zaslepljenosti s teorijami zarot sem in tja vseeno postavi kakšen pomislek in vprašanje, ki je dejansko vredno razmisleka. Ampak ne razmisleka v smeri teorij zarot, ki jim velika večina itak ne verjame (ker so nedokazljive, nesmiselne in obstajajo za praktično vsak večji svetovni dogodek), ampak v smeri (ne)smiselnosti kakšnega od ukrepov in premisleku o strategiji.

Kar se tiče vladnih ukrepov in strategije boja s corono, tu vedno zagovarjam pozitivno in konstruktivno kritiko. Strategijo se vedno lahko spreminja in prilagaja, če bo to izboljšalo situacijo, tu ne vidim nič slabega. Po vojni je pa seveda lahko biti general, to vsi vemo. Nimam problemov priznati in sprejeti, da se kakšen ukrep lahko kasneje izkaže za neučinkovitega in če kakšno priporočilo ni povsem na mestu. To mi namreč samo potrjuje dejstvo, da cel svet šele spoznava ta novi virus in se (žal) uči na napakah. Kar pa ne pomeni, da je virus umeten in da zadaj stoji neka skrivnostna vsemogočna elita, ki je vse skupaj načrtovala, predvidela in napovedala potek za kar cel svet.

Saj tudi, ko se je v preteklosti pojavila kuga ali npr. španska gripa, je svet pač odreagiral kakor je pač takrat znal. Zdraviti so se poskušali na razne neuspešne načine, umrlo je veliko ljudi, pa to ne pomeni, da so bili doktorji zavedeni in da je šlo za kakšno zaroto.
Come to my center, you enter the winter.

vostok_1 ::

ajdov je izjavil:

še who sam to priznava https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-202...

zanimivo a ne


Še en članek, ki Okapi ni niti vedel, da obstaja.
24ur zamuja kot kaže. Še se bo načakal.
#hitreInVerodostojneInformacije
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

vostok_1 ::

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Compulsory masks did not bring any measurable benefit in Austria
https://translate.google.com/translate?...
prof. Franz Allerberger (infektolog)



Scamdemija
https://twitter.com/plaforscience/statu...
Španija:
maske, fake hospitalizacija


UK
Covid-19 Certification/Passport MVP
https://twitter.com/calvinrobinson/stat...
They're already preparing for the next stage of restricting our freedoms.


London protesti
https://twitter.com/CovidSenseBloke/sta...


Nemčija
Odvetniki v akciji proti Drostenu
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17X4GmM...
'Cease & Desist' letter sent to @drosten at the Charité Institute, Berlin. He stands accused of causing massive societal harm following his false advice provided to the German government.


Kapo dol sbawe64.
Take zadeve res zmagajo.


A čmo ugibat koliko od tega je Okapiju bilo še bolj neznanka, kot je nam neznanka življenje na Glise 581c?
#eksoplanetarnaObveščenost
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

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CoolBits ::



Mogoce se je zato pri nas tolkim "skisalo"

vostok_1 ::

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https://www.rtvslo.si/zdravje/novi-koro...

V povezavi z mutiranim sevom novega koronavirusa je predsednik vlade Janez Janša sporočil, da so pripravili ukrepe za zaporo meja, ker obstaja možnost, da je mutirani virus tudi v nekaterih drugih državah EU-ja.


Ahahahaha!!!


Na Televiziji Slovenija so Boruta Štruklja s Fakultete za farmacijo povprašali o nevarnosti novega seva:


Tako je. Čez noč bomo sestavili novo mRNA sekvenco in jo vbrizgali prebivalcem.

PS. Trust me guys.
Ko bo plandemije konec...enkrat tam 2022. Svet pred 2020 bo vam neprepoznaven.
Bled spomin lepših časev.

Otroci rojeni v zadnjih 3 letih ne bodo sploh razumeli v kakšnem svetu ste živeli pred tem.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

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vostok_1 ::

We're not going back my friends:

https://www.rtvslo.si/zdravje/novi-koro...

Pomnite 2019 kot lep sončen dan.
Čaka nas desetletje, at minimum, somraka.
Vzgojili boste nove generacije, v tem new normalu. Kot nekakšni mutanti v Falloutu.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

sheeshkar ::

Barakuda1 je izjavil:

Se potem res še kdo čudi, če je tistih ki se nagibajo k temu, da bi vsaj deloma vrjeli teoretikom zarot, iz dneva v dan več, na eni strani; in tistih, ki vrjamejo vodilnim javnim medijem, mnenjskim vodjem in stroki, iz dneva v dan manj?

Ne razumem, kako lahko nekdo iz povsem legitimne skepse do "uradnih" medijev pride do zaupanja v neke alternativne vire, ki v veliki večini vsaj delno bazirajo na teorijah zarote. Zakaj bi se nek razumen človek sploh podajal v iskanje ali tudi naključno branje takšnih zadev, če pa lahko gre raje do osnovnega vira od katerega je nek medij v svoji novici črpal podatke za svojo zgodbo in si sam poišče relevantne podatke ter jih nato primerja s podatki v tisti novici, da vidi, če so relevantni ali zavajujoči.

Če pa greš tako daleč, da prenehaš zaupati stroki (s tem seveda ne mislim politično nastavljenih bebcev tipa Krek, temveč dejanskim strokovnjakom relevantnih področij ali pa znanstvenim raziskavam/člankom, ki jih lahko najde vsak pismen človek v priznanih publikacijah) ter namesto tega spet pristaneš pri nekih alternativnih virih, potem pa vsaj na Slo-TECH forumu tak človek ne bi smel imeti nobene kredibilnosti (vsaj v debatah, kjer je možno argumentiran pogovor podkrepiti s strokovnimi viri, kar se je včasih v takšnih debatah s strani moderatorjev precej bolj uveljavljalo).

Ali je mogoče, da se tudi stroka kdaj moti? Seveda je možno, še posebej v situacijah, ko se sooči z neko novo stvarjo, kot je Covid-19. Ampak tako deluje (ter preko tega napreduje) znanost in tega v resnici niti ne skriva, imajo pa nekateri zelo velike težave pri razumevanju teh dejstev in zmotno mislijo, da se ima znanost za "nezmotljivo". Kako točno pa potem iz skepse do stroke prideš do zaupanja alternativnim virom, ki pa se dejansko "nikoli ne motijo" (ker teorije zarot so vedno neprebojne in imajo odgovore na vsa vprašanja, podobno kot religije), pa mi nikoli ne bo jasno.

Pa še nekaj - če imamo odprte teme o Covidu in se v njih debatira o strokovnih zadevah (kot so PCR in ostali testi, primerni epidemiološki ukrepi, cepiva, učinkovitost mask itd.), čeprav praktično nihče od nas (z morebitnimi res redkimi izjemami) NI strokovnjak iz teh področij, potem bi vsak intelektualno pošten član priznal, da o teh zadevah niti približno ne ve dovolj, da lahko o njih diskutira brez precejšnjega sklicevanja na strokovnjake iz teh področij. Tako pa imamo sedaj temo, kjer en del v veliki večini predstavlja mnenja, ki jih delijo strokovnjaki, zdravniki, znanost itd. in na drugi strani tiste, ki so skeptični ne samo do uradnih medijev (kar še lahko razumemo), temveč do vseh mnenj stroke, ki se ne skladajo z njihovimi teorijami (ter jih vse po vrsti označuje kot nesposobne ali pa kot del neke globalne zarote). Njihove teorije pa so izredno pogosto skoraj identične tistim, ki jih najdemo na raznoraznih sumljivih portalih (tudi takšnih, kjer govorijo o homoseksualnih žabah in podobno).

49106 ::

>Ne razumem, kako lahko nekdo iz povsem legitimne skepse do "uradnih" medijev pride do zaupanja v neke alternativne vire


Zahvali se lažem mainstream medijev

sheeshkar ::

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Zahvali se lažem mainstream medijev

Ok, saj pravim, da ta del lahko razumem.

Zanima me, kako nekdo pride do ZAUPANJA v ALTERNATIVNE vire. Kako vejo, da ti viri niso še večji lažnivci kot mainstream?

49106 ::

Iz istega razloga kot ljudje poskusijo z alternativno medicino. Ker jih je uradna pustila na cedilu.

Ko jih bo določen medij ali alternativna medicina pustil na cedilu, ne bodo več zaupali, ampak bodo poiskali alternativo.

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Slopek ::

sheeshkar je izjavil:

49106 je izjavil:

Zahvali se lažem mainstream medijev

Ok, saj pravim, da ta del lahko razumem.

Zanima me, kako nekdo pride do ZAUPANJA v ALTERNATIVNE vire. Kako vejo, da ti viri niso še večji lažnivci kot mainstream?

Bistvo je, kdo in kaj predstavlja alternativo. In seveda komu.
Doctors vs. Doctors ali Fauci&Co. vs. Good Doctors.

sheeshkar ::

Slopek je izjavil:

Bistvo je, kdo in kaj predstavlja alternativo. In seveda komu.
Doctors vs. Doctors ali Fauci&Co. vs. Good Doctors.

Hja, če so "Good Doctors" izjemno redke izjeme, ki trdijo nekaj nasprotnega kot velika večina ostale stroke (v primeru Covida so to Fauci&Co.), potem bi vsak razumen človek bil najprej skeptičen do njih in ne obratno. Tako pa se na teh alternativnih virih pri svojih teorijah seveda zanašajo točno na takšne "odpadnike", ki jih lahko najdeš na čisto vsakem znanstvenem področju, zaradi česar ima znanost nekaj, kar se imenuje Peer review, s čimer imajo tudi ti odpadniki možnost dokazovanja svojih trditev, ki jih nato potrdi ali (v primerih teh odpadnikov) ovrže ostala znanstvena skupnost.

Če pa se kljub vsemu temu nekdo ODLOČI verjeti nekim alternativnim razlagam, pa v tem primeru ne gre več za skepso do uradnih medijev/stroke, temveč za VEROVANJE v alternativne vire.

Barakuda1 ::

sheeshkar je izjavil:

49106 je izjavil:

Zahvali se lažem mainstream medijev

Ok, saj pravim, da ta del lahko razumem.

Zanima me, kako nekdo pride do ZAUPANJA v ALTERNATIVNE vire. Kako vejo, da ti viri niso še večji lažnivci kot mainstream?


Ne gre toliko za zaupanje v alternativne vire, kot za nezaupanje v mainstream medije.
Ti žal vseprevečkrat delujejo na dveh nivojih
- podajajo neko "zgodbo" kot edino pravilno in strokovno podkrepljeno
- cenzurirajo tisti del stroke, ki se z njimi ne strinja (tudi če gre za svetovno priznane strokovne avtoritete - nobelovce)

In kaj naj si potem razmišljujoči uporabniki mislijo, o takšnih medijih in stroki.

p.s.
pa počasi bo že čas, da nehaš s vojo agendo vsiljevanja, kaj je primerno in kaj ni za debato na Slo-tech. Enkrat sem ti že pojasnil kako je s tem, več ne mislim. Zato nehaj zlorabljati temo zato, da prikrito kritiziraš nekaj, kar tebi (glede sodelovanaj posameznikov) ni všeč.
Nikar pa ne razlagaj kako je bilo včasih in kako so to včasih počeli, ker o tem vem več kot ti. Vrjemi.

Na ta del (p.s) ne repliciraj, kr bom to razumel kot tipčno obliko zlorabe in boš repliko bral v rdeči barvi.
Enako boš bral tudi vse druge prispevke, v katerih boš nadaljeval s tvojo prikrito zlorabo teme in prakso s katero želiš uveljaviti svoja pravila debate, kaj kdo sme napisati in česa ne.
Če ti kaj ni všeč, sem ti že predlagal, odpri temo s to problematiko, ali pa izvoli v pritožbe in naj o tem spornem vprašanju odločijo drugi.
Preden se razburiš pomisli, če ne gre morda za sarkazem

sharp126325 ::

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Če lahko v javnih medijih preberemo:

Novi sev se širi hitreje

Čeprav to še ni popolnoma jasno, je britanski premier Boris Johnson po poročanju BBC-ja dejal, da je lahko novi sev novega koronavirusa do 70 odstotkov bolj nalezljiv od prejšnjega. Novi sev se sicer širi hitreje, a naj ne bi bil nevarnejši za zdravje, prav tako pa ne kaže, da bi se na cepivo odzival drugače.

(celoten članek, ki je nekako v istem stilu, lahko najdete tukaj)

Potem je skoraj malce neokusno pljuvati po vseh, ki so do uradnih medijev in njihovoh sporočil, če nič drugega, vsaj skeptični.

Hočeš nočeš, sa namreč človek vpraša:
- ali je premier Boris Johnson kak svetovno priznan epidemiolog?
- na podlagi česa so (bolje, je premier Boris Johnson) prišli do strokovnega zaključka, da je novi sev novega koronavirusa do 70 odstotkov bolj nalezljiv od prejšnjega
- kako po nekaj primer vedo, da naj ne bi bil nevarnejši za zdravje od prejšnjih sevov.
- koliko bolnikov z novim sevom so že cepili, da si upajo trditi kako se nov sev virosa , kot kaže,naj ne bi na cepivo odzival drugače.
- Pri kolikih bolnikih so nov sev ploh odkrili in kako so ga odkrili ( s hitrim testiranjem, obdukcijskimi izvidi? kako?

Nekam mnogo trditev, z malo odgovori


Se sploh ne trudijo bolj strokovno razlagati,ker jim pač ni treba. Folk to vzame za samoumnevno(mr. B in šeškar), soočanje z neodvisno stroko ne obstaja, taki ki dajo takšna vprašanja, kot ti pa žal dobijo označbo Potrček itd.

vostok_1 ::

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Dejansko smo trenutno v nekakšni vojni z lastnimi vladami po vsem svetu (pustimo razne Kitajce, tisto je končna oblika poraza v tej vojni).

Lahko bi tudi rekli, da so vlade postale okupatorji lastnih držav. Dejansko "koronski ukrepi" spominjajo na ukrepe neke okupacijske sile (malo bombončkov in veeeeliko pendreka). Paničarji so pa seveda domači izdajalci. Zato pa jaz odsvetujem vsakršno bratenje z njimi, ker so očiten del problema. >:D

Ampak resno, tukaj je kar nekaj spogledovanja z "gulag sistemom" kjer se del populacije uporablja proti ostalim - samo tam so se "pazniki" saj zavedali, da ni nekega višjega častnega cilja in so pač skrbeli za lastno preživetje, male ugodnosti in dovoljenja... no saj da ne dajem komu preveč idej. :))


Odlično napisano Miki N.
Res smo v vojni proti lastnim vladam.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

vostok_1 ::

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https://www.24ur.com/novice/korona/zapl...

Rezultat hitrega testa se od zdaj naprej šteje za enakovrednega PCR testu, objavljali pa bodo tudi statistiko tako potrjenih primerov.



"Kdor bo na hitrem testu pozitiven, bo po Kacinovih besedah napoten na bolniško - moral se bo umakniti iz delovnega procesa. Zanesljivost hitrih antigenskih testov sicer ni tolikšna kot pri klasičnih PCR testih. Lahko pa je to smernica za prihajajoče praznike. "Je pa še tretja stvar: s tem bomo verjetno vendarle 'polovili' še nekaj atipičnih primerov covida-19 - ko ljudje nimajo nobenih simptomov in se odlično počutijo, pa kljub temu širijo virus. S tem bo predstava, koliko imamo virusa v državi, veliko bolj realna"



Vodenje epidemije, bo defacto vodeno na podlagi neuporabnih hitrih testov.
Neglede na to, kako ločeno vodijo.

Populacija...pripravite se na nateg. 3 val bo gotovo.
Januar-Marec je plan demoralizirati prebivalstvo na max.
Naredili bodo vse potrebno, da po koncu tega, boste prosili državo in megakorporacije, da vas rešijo.

In seveda vam bodo postregli z rešitvami...
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

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vostok_1 ::

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/p...

The certificates are being considered for air travel in the EU, but they may also be used to allow for greater attendance at mass gatherings once most people are vaccinated.

A Government source said "nothing is being ruled in or out" in terms of how the certificates will be used, but noted that other countries have trialled using them for attending events.



Extortion.

Če boste normiji dopustili tak precedens, bo vaše življenje bistveno slabše from then on.
Še za nobeno gripo ali kaj hujšega nismo zahtevali potrdila, konstanten surveliance in vbrizg dvomljive substance.

Res, poslušajte. Polagate kamnje totalitarne distopije. V kateri ne boste želeli živeti in vaši otroci tudi ne.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

Slopek ::

Res jebena prihodnost, zaradi žurerjev iz Zrč. Ali pa zaradi Potrča in Vostoka pa mene in mnogo drugih. Praktično vsi, katere poznam, se pogovarjam z njimi, se držijo predpisanega, a z odporom. Vejo, da je vse nateg, a nekako vsi skupaj samo nemočno opazujemo propad in self destruction. Vsem jasno, a kaj češ? Vile ne zadostujejo, pa še teh nimamo za prste ene roke. V celem mestu mislim.
Ja, nekako je folku kar jasno, da se ne obeta nič dobrega, saj SMRDI DO NEBA. Pa kakšni posli se sklepajo. Še bolje, s kom se sklepajo? VSE SMRDI!
Seveda se pa tudi v tej zgodbi najdejo taki, ki jim je sedaj boljše. Kaj češ? Jim je prej res moral bit bad :|

sbawe64 ::

Posli s hitrimi testi so rezervirani za prijatelje SDS
https://necenzurirano.si/clanek/preisko...

Politični nepotizem.
2020 is new 1984
Corona World order

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CoolBits ::

Prilepim en zanimiv zapis.

Sedim v temi in razmislajm, kaj se pravzaprav dogaja.
Ne razumem ukrepov. Ne poznam nikogar, ki je zbolel. Nikogar, ki je umrl. Nikogar, ki ima prehlad. Vsi smo zdravi. Vsi se gledamo izpod cela. Vsi se sprasujejo, kaj se dogaja. Nihce v javnosti noce odloziti maske. Ze mozno, nekaj ljudi je letos umrlo, a so tudi lani umirali... in umirali bodo tudi drugo leto. A ti ljudje niso del te plandemijske zgodbe.
Vlada vlece ukrepe, ki niso jasni nobenemu. Statistike se vsem zdijo zlagane. Celo sami priznavajo, da jih potvarjajo. Pravijo, da so bolnice polne, a na netu polno obojav in slik, da nikogar nikjer ni. Slike praznih hodnikov, praznih sob, nikjer zaposlenih, ni sestr, ne zdravnikov.
Vsak teden nam najdejo novega zdravstvenega marketingarja, ki nam podaja visokoletece besede o cloveski solidarnosti, a glej ga zlomka, ko isces resnico v njihovih besedah, je nikakor ni zaznati.
Dokazi o prevari lezijo povsod, a vsi stopajo cez njih, kot cez berace na ulici.
RESNICA NI NASA REVSCINA!, suflirajo med vrsticami.
Vsi,... prav vsi novinarji, zdravniki, politiki levi in desni, vsi...VSI SODNIKI, POLICISTI, VOJSKA... torej dokazi o prevari ni vasa resnica?
Res je. Ni. A se bo. Pa ne zaradi mene ali mojih besed,... postala bo vasa tisti trenutek, ko vas sistem izvrze, kot nepomembnega. In vas bo. Kmalu. NIHCE NE POBEGNE!
Pa veste zakaj, ker zgodbo ne pise Janez, al Franci, ali Pepcek, ki se trenutno drzi vladnega korita.... ne ne ... skarje in platno ze dolgo ni v nasih rokah. In samo na ljudstvu je, da si skarje vzame nazaj v roke.
In se suslja. Nekaj se dogaja. Narod postaja nestrpen.
Mogoce zato eni Ministri odstopajo, bezijo, drugi samo fiktivno, stari politiki pa kurijo dokumente in zapirajo stare politicne loze s sumljivimi razlogi.
Kam pluje ta drzava? Imamo bolnika, ki je prevzel resor, ki bi moral skrbeti nad njegovim zdravjem. Je v direktnem kontaktu s kvazi okuzenim, a se ne izolira. Zdravi samega sebe.
Dobili smo prostovoljno testiranje, a pravijo da bo kmalu pogoj za sluzbe. Nudijo nam experimentalno cepivo, ki je zastonj, in prostovoljno, a ga uporabljajo na populaciji starckov, za katere dvomim, da imajo moc se temu upreti. Jim je upor sploh dovoljen? Mogoce to "prostovoljnost" dozirajo s hrano in nego? Sprasujem!
Od kod ta zavzetost?
Od kod vsi ti strasni nacrti, saj je Slovenija vendarle edinstvena in sinhronizacija po nekih nacrtih je cisto zavajanje mnozic. Teorija zarote.
Pa je res?
Sprasujem se zakaj se estrada in kulturniki ne javljajo? Kje ste novinarji? Ni vas!
Novinarji so se spremenili v pisune vladnih direktiv, estradniki pa snemajo filme za vlado.
In komu snema vlada filme?
Pokukajte. Pokukajte v link spodaj o GREEN AGENDI 2030.
Pokukajte v dokumente, ki jih je vlada sestavila in se "prostovoljno prikljucila GREEN AGENDI 2030 in nas prodala vsem blodnjam KLAUS SCWABEta iz WEF, ter ostalim globalistom.
Je kdo nas vprasal, ce zelimo biti del tega? Del KOMUNISTICNE TEHNOKRACIJE? Kdo je vladi dal mandat za IZDAJO NACIJE?
Kdo jim je dovolil prostovoljno prikljucitev AGENDI, da nas sedaj zakonsko OMEJUJEJO?
Sedaj smo del nje. Ce kdo ne verjame, bo moral verjeti.
Zato kovid, zato ukrepi, zato maske, zato lockdown, zato cepiva.
Zato PREVZGOJA!
Danes mi, jutri nasi otroci!


https://slovenia2030.si/cilji-trajnostn...

el_bahattee ::

CoolBits je izjavil:

Prilepim en zanimiv zapis.

Ne vem, kaj tu vidiš zanimivega, več kot očitno je pisec zaveden in zmeden. Poglej si samo prve 3,4 stavke. Če ob tej množici informacij še vedno ne razume ukrepov, je to njegov problem. Če ne pozna nikogar, ki je zbolel, mu tudi ni pomoči, očitno ne pozna kaj dosti ljudi. Jaz danes praktično ne poznam nikogar, ki ne bi poznal nikogar, ki je zbolel za covidom. Naprej niti ne mislim brat, že po prvih treh vrsticah mi je postalo jasno, da ni vredno nadaljnega branja.
Come to my center, you enter the winter.

Urbano#Desno ::

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/p...

The certificates are being considered for air travel in the EU, but they may also be used to allow for greater attendance at mass gatherings once most people are vaccinated.

A Government source said "nothing is being ruled in or out" in terms of how the certificates will be used, but noted that other countries have trialled using them for attending events.



Extortion.

Če boste normiji dopustili tak precedens, bo vaše življenje bistveno slabše from then on.
Še za nobeno gripo ali kaj hujšega nismo zahtevali potrdila, konstanten surveliance in vbrizg dvomljive substance.

Res, poslušajte. Polagate kamnje totalitarne distopije. V kateri ne boste želeli živeti in vaši otroci tudi ne.


En teden se načrtno izogibam tele teme in hiter pregled pravi da se kaj dosti ni spremenilo. Še vedno smo pri pravljici o PCR testih in vostoka še vedno presenečajo stvari ki so normalnemu svetu samoumevne.:))

Ne bi pa uganil da bo ciper prvi, ki bo omogočil vstop v državo kot smo jih poznali prej samo cepljenim

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/c...

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vostok_1 ::

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Hvala sbawe:

https://ayavela.medium.com/china-and-th...


Jp. Kot smo govorili. Elita si želi kitajskega modela družbe (ki ga je seveda soustvarila).
To smo vedeli že več kot pol leta.
Jasno je tudi, da zahod končuje svoj primat...so ga uspešno subvertali in uničili.

Prihajajo resnično temni časi.
Folk se pač tega ne zaveda, in naivno vrjame, da z nekim cepivom bomo nazaj v 2019.

PS. Glede na ustrahovanje, naivnost populacije in planirano redno cepljenje...naredit in spustit cepivo, ki sterilizira ljudi...je pravzaprav kar doable.

Sedaj ko smo navadili ljudi na mRNA cepiva, all bets are of. Morda bo eno leto malo bolj specialna verzija odmerka.
And it's done.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

Mr.B ::

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Hvala sbawe:

https://ayavela.medium.com/china-and-th...


Jp. Kot smo govorili. Elita si želi kitajskega modela družbe (ki ga je seveda soustvarila).
To smo vedeli že več kot pol leta.
Jasno je tudi, da zahod končuje svoj primat...so ga uspešno subvertali in uničili.

Prihajajo resnično temni časi.
Folk se pač tega ne zaveda, in naivno vrjame, da z nekim cepivom bomo nazaj v 2019.

PS. Glede na ustrahovanje, naivnost populacije in planirano redno cepljenje...naredit in spustit cepivo, ki sterilizira ljudi...je pravzaprav kar doable.

Sedaj ko smo navadili ljudi na mRNA cepiva, all bets are of. Morda bo eno leto malo bolj specialna verzija odmerka.
And it's done.

Kaj nisi vedel, v svobodi si tiho. kitajski model imas pa ze dolgo, se preden se je o njih govorilo bolj populisticno.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Urbano#Desno ::

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Jasno je tudi, da zahod končuje svoj primat...so ga uspešno subvertali in uničili.


Jasno je trenutno samo da si tebi podobni osebki želijo sabotirati zahod in ga narediti popolnoma nekonkurenčnega azijcem. Veš vostok oni nimajo problemov z c-19, ker se normalno kulturno obnašajo in ker vejo da bo država naredila to kar more da tebi podobni ne morete delovati destruktivno in posledično zaščiti preostali del prebivalstva. Mi tu na svobodi smo pa progresivni.....

vostok_1 je izjavil:


Sedaj ko smo navadili ljudi na mRNA cepiva, all bets are of. Morda bo eno leto malo bolj specialna verzija odmerka.
And it's done.

:)):)):))

vostok_1 ::

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Sicer mi je sedaj zares kapnilo...how utterly fucked we are in to ne zaradi covida ali lockdownov.

Listen:

Organizacija elite WEF, kateri so se klonili vsi zahodni voditelji (video dokumentirano, pomnete?), se je skupčkala z državo, kjer je totalitarna diktatura norma in kjer je kraja organov političnim zapornikom reden pojav?

We are totally fucked. Your children are totally fucked.

Ne bo lepa, pomnite moje besede.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

Urbano#Desno ::

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Sicer mi je sedaj zares kapnilo...how utterly fucked we are in to ne zaradi covida ali lockdownov.


Ajej šele sedaj?:)) A ostalih gazilion postov se je nanašalo samo na semi fucked?

vostok_1 je izjavil:


Organizacija elite WEF, kateri so se klonili vsi zahodni voditelji (video dokumentirano, pomnete?), se je skupčkala z državo, kjer je totalitarna diktatura norma in kjer je kraja organov političnim zapornikom reden pojav?


Ne gledamo tvojih fantazijskih del. Bi lahko še enkrat prilepil video? A potem si lahko obetam da ko bo Karel na oblasti bom lahko kupil JJ-jevo ledvico? How sweet. :))

vostok_1 je izjavil:


We are totally fucked. Your children are totally fucked.


Zate kot kaže res ni več pomoči.:)) Za tvoje otroke, če jih imaš pa ne moreš kar soditi da bodo šli po očetovih luni stopinjah.

vostok_1 je izjavil:


Ne bo lepa, pomnite moje besede.


Pomnimo in se zabavamo ob tvojih namišljenih strahovih.

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Zaenkrat kaže, da ni nekega resnega dokaza, da je novi sev zares bolj kužen.
Could change, ampak vseeno letting you know.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

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A res še kdo misli, da živimo v demokraciji in liberalni državi?

V kateri demokratični liberalni državi, peščica ljudi na vrhu določa kam smete it, s kom, za koliko časa itd.?
Kaj se je zgodilo z "lastno odgovornostjo" posameznika?


Vi sploh ne veste kaj ste to leto izgubili, ker vam je bil bolj pomemben novi iphone ali Muskova SNn.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

vostok_1 ::

Demokracija in liberalna država, right thar:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay...

Hands. Face. Space


Remember - 'Hands. Face. Space.'

hands - wash your hands regularly and for at least 20 seconds
face - wear a face covering in indoor settings where social distancing may be difficult, and where you will come into contact with people you do not normally meet
space - stay 2 metres apart from people you do not live with where possible, or 1 metre with extra precautions in place (such as wearing face coverings)

When meeting people you do not live with, it is important to do so outdoors where possible. If you meet people you do not live with indoors, such as someone working in your home, then you should follow the guidance on meeting others safely including making sure you let as much fresh air in as you can (for example by opening windows). Follow the guidance on meeting others safely.
Stay at home

If you live in Tier 4 you must not leave or be outside of your home or garden except where you have a 'reasonable excuse'. A reasonable excuse includes:
Work and volunteering

You can leave home for work purposes, where your place of work remains open and where you cannot work from home, including if your job involves working in other people's homes.
Essential activities

You can leave home to buy things at shops or obtain services from a business which is permitted to open in your Tier 4 area, but you should stay local. For instance you can leave home to buy food or medicine, or to collect any items - including food or drink - ordered through click-and-collect or as a takeaway, to obtain or deposit money (e.g. from a bank or post office), or to access critical public services (see section below).
Fulfilling legal obligations

You may also leave home to fulfil legal obligations, or to carry out activities related to buying, selling, letting or renting a residential property, or where it is reasonably necessary for voting in an election or referendum.
Education and childcare

You can leave home for education related to the formal curriculum or training, registered childcare, under-18 sport and physical activity, and supervised activities for children that are necessary to allow parents/carers to work, seek work, or undertake education or training. Parents can still take their children to school, and people can continue existing arrangements for contact between parents and children where they live apart. This includes childcare bubbles.
Meeting others and care

1 in 3 people who have coronavirus have no symptoms and will be spreading it without realising it.

You can leave home to visit people in your support bubble, or to provide informal childcare for children aged 13 and under as part of a childcare bubble, to provide care for vulnerable people, to provide emergency assistance, attend a support group (of up to 15 people), or for respite care where that care is being provided to a vulnerable person or a person with a disability, or is a short break in respect of a looked after child.
Exercise and recreation

People can also exercise outdoors or visit some public outdoor places, such as parks, the countryside accessible to the public, public gardens or outdoor sports facilities. You can continue to do unlimited exercise alone, or in a public outdoor place with your household, support bubble, or with one other person if you maintain social distancing. You should follow the guidance on meeting others safely.
Medical reasons, harm and compassionate visits

You can leave home for a medical reason, including to get a COVID-19 test, for medical appointments and emergencies, to be with someone who is giving birth, to avoid injury or illness or to escape risk of harm (such as domestic abuse),or for animal welfare reasons - such as to attend veterinary services for advice or treatment.

You can also leave home to visit someone who is dying or someone in a care home (if permitted under care home guidance), hospice, or hospital, or to accompany them to a medical appointment.

If you are planning to visit, or accompany someone to, a care home, hospice, hospital or other healthcare setting, you should check that this is permitted by the facility.
Communal worship and life events

You can leave home to attend or visit:

a place of worship for communal worship
a funeral or event related to a death
a burial ground or a remembrance garden
a wedding ceremony

However, weddings, funerals and religious, belief-based or commemorative events linked to someone's death are all subject to limits on the numbers that can attend (see below).
Meeting others safely

In general, you must not meet socially or carry out any activities with another person. However, you can exercise or meet in a public outdoor place with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.

You should minimise time spent outside your home. When around other people, stay 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household - meaning the people you live with - or your support bubble. Where this is not possible, stay 1 metre apart with extra precautions (e.g. wearing a face covering).

You must not meet socially indoors with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble.

You can exercise or visit a public outdoor place:

by yourself
with the people you live with,
with your support bubble,
or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household.

Children under 5, and up to two carers for a person with a disability who needs continuous care are not counted towards the outdoors gatherings limit.

Public outdoor places include:

parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
allotments
the grounds of a heritage site
outdoor sports courts and facilities
playgrounds

You cannot meet people in a private garden, unless you live with them or have formed a support bubble with them.

You must wear a face covering in many indoor settings, such as shops or places of worship where these remain open, and on public transport, unless you are exempt. This is the law. Read guidance on face coverings.
Support and childcare bubbles

There is separate guidance for support bubbles and childcare bubbles across all tiers. You can form a support bubble with another household if any of the following apply to you:

you are the only adult in your household (any other members of the household having been under 18 on 12 June 2020), or are an under 18 year old living without any adults
you live with someone with a disability who requires continuous care and there is no other adult living in the household
you live with a child under 1, or who was under 1 on 2 December 2020
you live with a child under 5, or who was under 5 on 2 December 2020, who has a disability and requires continuous care

You may need to change your support bubble if your circumstances change. Find out more about changing your support bubble.

You are permitted to leave your home to visit your support bubble (and to stay overnight with them). However, if you form a support bubble, it is best if this is with a household who live locally. This will help prevent the virus spreading from an area where more people are infected.
Where and when you can meet in larger groups

There are still circumstances in which you are allowed to meet others from outside your household or support bubble in larger groups, but this should not be for socialising and only for permitted purposes. A full list of these circumstances will be included in the regulations, and includes:

for work, or providing voluntary or charitable services. This includes picketing outside workplaces. This can include work in other people's homes where necessary - for example, for nannies, cleaners or tradespeople. See guidance on working safely in other people's homes). Where a work meeting does not need to take place in a private home or garden, it should not - for example, although you can meet a personal trainer, you should do so in a public outdoor place.
in a childcare bubble(for the purposes of childcare only)
for registered childcare, or for supervised activities for children where this enables a parent to work, seek work, attend education or training, or for respite care
education or training - meaning education related to a formal curriculum or training that relates to work or obtaining work
for arrangements where children do not live in the same household as both their parents or guardians
to allow contact between birth parents and children in care, as well as between siblings in care
for prospective adopting parents to meet a child or children who may be placed with them
to place or facilitate the placing of a child or children in the care of another by social services
for birth partners
to provide emergency assistance, and to avoid injury or illness, or to escape a risk of harm
to see someone who is dying
to fulfil a legal obligation, such as attending court or jury service
for gatherings within criminal justice accommodation or immigration detention centres
to provide care or assistance to someone vulnerable, or to provide respite for a carer
for a wedding or equivalent ceremony in exceptional circumstances and only for up to 6 people
for funerals - up to a maximum of 30 people. Wakes and other linked ceremonial events can continue in a group of up to 6 people.
to visit someone at home who is dying, or to visit someone receiving treatment in a hospital, hospice or care home, or to accompany a family member or friend to a medical appointment
for elite sportspeople (and their coaches if necessary, or parents/guardians if they are under 18) to compete and train
to facilitate a house move

Support groups that have to be delivered in person can continue with up to 15 participants where formally organised to provide mutual aid, therapy or any other form of support - but they must take place at a premises other than a private home. This includes, but is not limited to, support to victims of crime, people in drug and alcohol recovery, new parents and guardians, people caring for those with long-term or terminal illnesses, or who are vulnerable, people facing issues relating to their sexuality or gender, those who have suffered bereavement, and vulnerable young people, including for them to meet youth workers.

Parent and child groups can continue where they provide support to parent and/or child, and children under 5 will not be counted within the 15 person limit - meaning parents and carers can attend such groups in larger numbers. These cannot take place in private dwellings.

Where a group includes someone covered by an exception (for example, someone who is working or volunteering), they are not generally counted as part of the gatherings limit. This means, for example, a tradesperson can go into a household without breaching the limit, if they are there for work, and the officiant at a wedding would not count towards the limit.
If you break the rules

The police can take action against you if you meet in larger groups. This includes breaking up illegal gatherings and issuing fines (fixed penalty notices).

You can be given a Fixed Penalty Notice of GBP200 for the first offence, doubling for further offences up to a maximum of GBP6,400. If you hold, or are involved in holding, an illegal gathering of over 30 people, the police can issue fines of GBP10,000.
Keeping you and your friends and family safe

When meeting friends and family you should also:

follow guidance on social distancing and letting in fresh air
limit how many different people you see socially over any period of time

Protecting people more at risk from coronavirus

If you are clinically vulnerable, you could be at higher risk of severe illness from coronavirus. You:

should be especially careful to follow the rules and minimise your contacts with others
should continue to wash your hands carefully and more frequently than usual and maintain thorough cleaning of frequently touched areas in your home and/or workspace

Clinically vulnerable people are those who are:

aged 70 or over (regardless of medical conditions)
under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (that is, anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year on medical grounds):
chronic (long-term) mild to moderate respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
chronic kidney disease
chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis (MS) or cerebral palsy
diabetes
problems with the spleen
a weakened immune system as the result of certain conditions or medicines they are taking (such as steroid tablets)
being seriously overweight (a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or above)
pregnant

There is a further group of people who are defined, also on medical grounds, as clinically extremely vulnerable to coronavirus - that is, people with specific serious health conditions.

Over this period, we are advising the clinically extremely vulnerable to work from home. If you cannot work from home, you are advised not to go to work and may be eligible for the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS), Statutory Sick Pay (SSP), Employment Support Allowance (ESA) or Universal Credit.

We are advising this group to stay at home as much as possible, except to go outdoors for exercise or to attend health appointments. You may wish to meet up with one other person from outside your household or support bubble, for example, to exercise in an outdoor public place. You should always try to do so as safely as possible by maintaining social distancing. Please follow the guidance set out in the shielding section of the CEV guidance.
Travel
Travelling within a Tier 4 area

If you live in a Tier 4 area, you must not leave your home unless you have a reasonable excuse (e.g. for work or education purposes). If you need to travel you should stay local - meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live - and look to reduce the number of journeys you make overall. The list of reasons you can leave your home and area include, but are not limited to:

work, where you cannot work from home
accessing education and for caring responsibilities
visiting those in your support bubble - or your childcare bubble for childcare
visiting hospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health
buying goods or services from premises that are open in Tier 4 areas, including essential retail, but these should be within your local area wherever possible
outdoor recreation or exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your Tier 4 area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)
attending the care and exercise of an animal, or veterinary services

If you need to travel, walk or cycle where possible, and plan ahead and avoid busy times and routes on public transport. This will allow you to practice social distancing while you travel.

Avoid car sharing with anyone from outside your household or your support bubble. See the guidance on car sharing.

If you need to use public transport, you should follow the safer travel guidance.
Travelling out of a Tier 4 area

You must stay at home and not leave your Tier 4 area, other than for legally permitted reasons such as:

travel to work where you cannot work from home
travel to education and for caring responsibilities
visit or stay overnight with people in your support bubble, or your childcare bubble for childcare purposes
attend hospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health

The full list of exceptions will be published in the Regulations.
Travelling to a Tier 4 area from a Tier 1, 2 or 3 area

You should not travel into a Tier 4 area from another part of the UK, other than for reasons such as:

travel to work where you cannot work from home
travel to education and for caring responsibilities
to visit (including staying overnight with) those in your support bubble - or your childcare bubble for childcare
to attend hospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health

You should continue to practice safe behaviours on public transport:

plan ahead, check for disruption before you leave, and avoid the busiest routes, as well as busy times
avoid making unnecessary stops during your journey
avoid sharing a car with people not in your household
keep your distance from other people when you travel, where possible
wash or sanitise your hands regularly

International travel to or from a Tier 4 area

If you live in a Tier 4 area, you can only travel internationally - or within the UK - where you first have a legally permitted reason to leave home. In addition, you should consider the public health advice in the country you are visiting.

If you live outside a Tier 4 area you may still transit into or through a Tier 4 area to travel abroad if you need to, but you should carefully consider whether you need to do so. In addition, you should follow the public health advice in the country you're visiting.

If you do need to travel overseas from a Tier 4 area (and are legally permitted to do so, for example, because it is for work), even if you are returning to a place you've visited before, you should look at the rules in place at your destination and the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) travel advice.

UK residents currently abroad do not need to return home immediately. However, you should check with your airline or travel operator on arrangements for returning.

For foreign nationals, if you are a resident in a Tier 4 area you are subject to the 'Stay at Home' regulations. You should not travel abroad unless it is permitted.

If you are visiting the UK and are in a Tier 4 area, you may return home. You should check whether there are any restrictions in place at your destination.
Staying away from home overnight

You cannot leave your home or the place where you are living for holidays or overnight stays unless you have a reasonable excuse for doing so. This means that holidays in the UK and abroad are not allowed.

This includes staying in a second home or caravan, if that is not your primary residence. This also includes staying with anyone who you don't live with unless they're in your support bubble.

You are allowed to stay overnight away from your home if you:

are visiting your support bubble
are unable to return to your main residence
need accommodation while moving house
need accommodation to attend a funeral or related commemorative event
require accommodation for work purposes or to provide voluntary services
are a child requiring accommodation for school or care
are homeless, seeking asylum or a vulnerable person seeking refuge
are an elite athlete or their support staff or parent, if the athlete is under 18 and it is necessary to be outside of the home for training or competition

If you are already on holiday in a Tier 4 area, you should return to your home as soon as practical.

Guest accommodation providers such as hotels, B&Bs and caravan parks may remain open for the specific reasons set out in law, including where guests are unable to return to their main residence, use that guest accommodation as their main residence, need accommodation while moving house, are self-isolating as required by law, or would otherwise be made homeless as a result of the accommodation closing.

Accommodation providers are also encouraged to work cooperatively with Local Authorities to provide accommodation to vulnerable groups including the homeless in Tier 4 areas.
Businesses and venues
Businesses and venues which must close

To reduce social contact, the regulations require some businesses to close and impose restrictions on how some businesses provide goods and services. The businesses required to close include:

non-essential retail, such as clothing and homeware stores, vehicle showrooms (other than for rental), betting shops, tailors, tobacco and vape shops, electronic goods and mobile phone shops, auction houses (except for auctions of livestock or agricultural equipment) and market stalls selling non-essential goods - these venues can continue to be able to operate click-and-collect (where goods are pre-ordered and collected off the premises) and delivery services
hospitality venues such as cafes, restaurants, pubs, bars and social clubs; with the exception of providing food and drink for takeaway (until 11pm), click-and-collect, drive-through or delivery
accommodation such as hotels, hostels, guest houses and campsites, except for specific circumstances, such as where these act as someone's main residence, where the person cannot return home, for providing accommodation or support to the homeless, or where it is essential to stay there for work purposes
leisure and sports facilities such as leisure centres and indoor gyms, indoor swimming pools, indoor sports courts, indoor fitness and dance studios, indoor riding centres, and indoor climbing walls
entertainment venues such as theatres, concert halls, cinemas, museums and galleries, casinos, amusement arcades, bingo halls, bowling alleys, skating rinks, go-karting venues, indoor play and soft play centres and areas (including inflatable parks and trampolining centres), circuses, fairgrounds, funfairs, zoos and other animal attractions, water parks and theme parks
indoor attractions at venues such as botanical gardens, heritage homes and landmarks must also close, though outdoor grounds of these premises can stay open
personal care facilities such as hair, beauty, tanning and nail salons. Tattoo parlours, spas, massage parlours, body and skin piercing services must also close. These services should not be provided in other people's homes
community centres and halls must close except for a limited number of exempt activities, as set out below. Libraries can also remain open to provide access to IT and digital services - for example for people who do not have it at home - and for click-and-collect services

Some of these businesses and places will also be permitted to be open for a small number of exempt activities, including:

education and training - for schools to use sports, leisure and community facilities where that is part of their normal provision
childcare purposes and supervised activities for children
hosting blood donation sessions and food banks
to provide medical treatment
for elite sports persons to train and compete (in indoor and outdoor sports facilities), and professional dancers and choreographers to work (in fitness and dance studios)
for training and rehearsal without an audience (in theatres and concert halls)
for the purposes of film and TV filming

Businesses and venues which can remain open

Other businesses and venues are permitted to stay open, following COVID-19 Secure guidelines. This includes those providing essential goods and services, including:

essential retail such as food shops, supermarkets, pharmacies, garden centres, building merchants and suppliers of building products and off-licences
market stalls selling essential retail may also stay open
businesses providing repair services may also stay open, where they primarily offer repair services
petrol stations, automatic (but not manual) car washes, vehicle repair and MOT services, bicycle shops, and taxi and vehicle hire businesses
banks, building societies, post offices, short-term loan providers and money transfer businesses
funeral directors
laundrettes and dry cleaners
medical and dental services
vets and pet shops
animal rescue centres, boarding facilities, and animal groomers (may continue to be used for animal welfare, rather than aesthetic purposes)
agricultural supplies shops
mobility and disability support shops
storage and distribution facilities
car parks, public toilets and motorway service areas
outdoor playgrounds
outdoor gym, pools, sports courts and facilities
golf courses
archery/driving/shooting ranges (outdoors)
outdoor riding centres
places of worship
crematoriums and burial grounds

Public services

The majority of public services will continue and you will be able to leave home to visit them. These include:

the NHS and medical services like GPs and dentists. We are supporting the NHS to carry out urgent and non-urgent services safely, and it is vital anyone who thinks they need any kind of medical care comes forward and seeks help
Jobcentre Plus sites
courts and probation services
civil registrations offices
passport and visa services
services provided to victims
waste or recycling centres

Going to work

To help contain the virus, everyone who can work effectively from home should do so.

Where people cannot do so - including, but not limited to, people who work in critical national infrastructure, construction, or manufacturing - they should continue to travel to their workplace. This is essential to keeping the country operating and supporting sectors and employers.

Public sector employees working in essential services, including childcare or education, should continue to go into work.

Where it is necessary for you to work in other people's homes - for example, for nannies, cleaners or tradespeople - you can do so. Otherwise, you should avoid meeting for work in a private home or garden, where COVID-19 Secure measures may not be in place.

The risk of transmission can be substantially reduced if COVID-19 secure guidelines are followed closely. Extra consideration should be given to those people at higher risk.
Going to school, college and university

Schools and colleges will remain open during term time in Tier 4 areas. The government will continue to prioritise the wellbeing and long-term futures of our young people. It remains very important for children and young people to attend, to support their wellbeing and education and help working parents and guardians. Senior clinicians still advise that school is the best place for children to be, and so they should continue to go to school during term time.
Universities

We expect that the majority of university students, other than those who need or choose to remain at university, will now have returned to their family home during the 'student travel window', , although they are permitted to temporarily move to a "vacation household" during the period that began on 3 December up to 7 February. We have published guidance on how they can do so safely.

We have also published guidance to universities and students on how students can return safely to higher education in the spring term. This guidance sets out how we will support higher education providers to enable students to return as safely as possible following the winter break, by staggering this process and to facilitate testing for all.

If you live at university, you should not move back and forward between your permanent home and student home during term time.

Universities should follow guidance on reopening buildings to ensure they have safety measures in place to minimise the spread of the virus.

If you're a student, you can meet in groups of more than your household as part of your formal education or training. Students should expect to follow the guidance and restrictions. You should socially distance from anyone you do not live with wherever possible.
Schools

The Government has confirmed that all secondary schools and colleges in England will be offered help, support and facilities to implement an additional round of free coronavirus testing from the first week of January.

This will be alongside a staggered return to face-to-face education in secondary schools, starting with exam years, vulnerable children and children of critical workers.

The offer of tests builds on the extensive protective measures already in place in schools and colleges to make them safe, as well as the government's recent announcement that every secondary school and college in England will have access to rapid testing from January.

In schools and colleges where year 7 and above are educated, face coverings should be worn by adults (staff and visitors) and pupils when moving around indoors, such as in corridors and communal areas where social distancing is difficult to maintain.

There is guidance for teachers, school leaders, carers and parents on education and childcare.
Childcare

There are several ways that parents and carers can continue to access childcare in Tier 4 areas:

early years settings and childminders remain open, and you can continue to use these settings as normal
you can access other childcare activities (including wraparound care) where reasonably necessary to enable parents to work, seek work, attend education or training, a medical appointment or respite care
nannies will be able to continue to provide services, including in the home
parents are able to form a childcare bubble with one other household for the purposes of informal childcare, where the child is 13 or under
some households will also be able to benefit from being in a support bubble

Some youth services are able to continue, such as 1-1 youth work and support groups, but most youth clubs and groups will need to cease for this period.
Visiting relatives in care homes

Visits to care homes can take place with arrangements such as substantial screens, visiting pods, or behind windows. Close-contact indoor visits are not allowed.

You should check the guidance on visiting care homes during COVID-19 to find out how visits should be conducted.
Weddings, civil partnerships, religious services and funerals

Weddings, civil partnership ceremonies and funerals are allowed with strict limits on attendance, and must only take place in COVID-19 secure venues or in public outdoor spaces unless in exceptional circumstances.

Funerals can be attended by a maximum of 30 people. Linked religious, belief-based or commemorative events, such as stone settings and ash scatterings can also continue with up to 6 people in attendance. Anyone working is not counted in these limits. Social distancing should be maintained between people who do not live together or share a support bubble.

Weddings and civil partnership ceremonies must only take place with up to 6 people. Anyone working is not included. Where possible, these should only take place in exceptional circumstances, for example, an urgent marriage where one of those getting married is seriously ill and not expected to recover, or is to undergo debilitating treatment or life-changing surgery.

If you live in a Tier 4 area and are going to a wedding, funeral or linked commemorative event outside the Tier 4 area, the event must follow the Tier 4 gathering limits on the events.

If you live outside a Tier 4 area and are going to a wedding, funeral or linked commemorative event inside the Tier 4 area, you must comply with the Tier 4 gathering limits on the events.
Places of worship

You can attend places of worship for a service. However, you must not mingle with anyone outside of your household or support bubble. You should maintain strict social distancing at all times.

You should follow the national guidance on the safe use of places of worship.
Sports and physical activity

Indoor gyms and sports facilities will close. Outdoor sports courts, outdoor gyms, golf courses, outdoor swimming pools, archery/driving/shooting ranges, riding centres and playgrounds can remain open for individual exercise, and for people to use with others within your household, support bubble, or with one person from another household. Organised outdoor sport for under 18s and disabled people will be allowed.
Moving home

You can still move home. People outside your household or support bubble should not help with moving house unless absolutely necessary.

Estate and letting agents and removals firms can continue to work. If you are looking to move, you can go to property viewings.

Follow the national guidance on moving home safely, which includes advice on social distancing, letting fresh air in, and wearing a face covering.


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