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Trump may have just signaled his administration plans to invade Iraq. In Trump’s speech at CIA headquarters, he starts talking about how America got out of Iraq wrong and “we should have kept the oil”. After the CIA in attendance laugh at what is not funny at all, Trump shockingly states: “maybe we’ll have another chance”.

imagodei je 22. jan 2017 ob 23:08 izjavil:

RedDrake je 22. jan 2017 ob 21:42 izjavil:

A to tiste civiliste in otroke, ki se potem razstrelijo v prid svojemu namišljenemu prijatelju na kaki tržnici?
Prekleto težko boš pri teroristih klasificiral kdo je "combatant" in kdo civilist.

Čak, a še govorimo o "Donald Trump on ISIS: 'You have to take out their families'", al si že pri ženskah in otrokih, ki stojijo na ulici z detonatorjem v roki?

Si že kdaj slišal za Rules of engagement?

Rules of engagement (ROE), military directives meant to describe the circumstances under which ground, naval, and air forces will enter into and continue combat with opposing forces. Formally, rules of engagement refer to the orders issued by a competent military authority that delineate when, where, how, and against whom military force may be used, and they have implications for what actions soldiers may take on their own authority and what directives may be issued by a commanding officer. Rules of engagement are part of a general recognition that procedures and standards are essential to the conduct and effectiveness of civilized warfare.

imagodei je 23. jan 2017 ob 00:56 izjavil:

RedDrake> "ROE je stvar internih državnih zakonov in predpisov. Če je že kaj relevantno tu, je to mednarodno pravo in ženevska konvencija."

No, ne. Običajno so oboroženi spopadi mednarodna zadeva, zato imajo na ROE velik vpliv mednarodne konvencije. Prav tisto, kar želiš zanikat. Že prva Ženevska konvencija iz srede 19. stoletja recimo že zahteva zaščito civilistov. Verzija, ki jo je dopolnila in je nasilje nad civilisti izrecno prepovedala, je bila spisana nekje med obema svetovnima vojnama (IOW, je že veljala pred II. svetovno vojno in je bila tudi ena izmed mednarodnih pravnih podlag za Nürnberške procese).

Še drugače: kako in pod kakšnimi pogoji, meniš, da se je prepoved kakršnega koli nasilja nad civilisti, znašla v ROE nekih ZDA? So npr. marinci to sami zapisali tja, ker so znani po svoji dobrosrčnosti?

RedDrake je 23. jan 2017 ob 08:01 izjavil:

imagodei je 23. jan 2017 ob 00:56 izjavil:

RedDrake> "ROE je stvar internih državnih zakonov in predpisov. Če je že kaj relevantno tu, je to mednarodno pravo in ženevska konvencija."

No, ne. Običajno so oboroženi spopadi mednarodna zadeva, zato imajo na ROE velik vpliv mednarodne konvencije. Prav tisto, kar želiš zanikat. Že prva Ženevska konvencija iz srede 19. stoletja recimo že zahteva zaščito civilistov. Verzija, ki jo je dopolnila in je nasilje nad civilisti izrecno prepovedala, je bila spisana nekje med obema svetovnima vojnama (IOW, je že veljala pred II. svetovno vojno in je bila tudi ena izmed mednarodnih pravnih podlag za Nürnberške procese).

Še drugače: kako in pod kakšnimi pogoji, meniš, da se je prepoved kakršnega koli nasilja nad civilisti, znašla v ROE nekih ZDA? So npr. marinci to sami zapisali tja, ker so znani po svoji dobrosrčnosti?

Še kar ne zapopadeš. Konvencija je jasna. Če druga stran ni podpisnik IN se ne drži določil (ISIS dvakrat kljukica), potem se konvencije tudi tebi ni potrebno držati.

International humanitarian law (IHL) is the body of international law applicable when armed violence reaches the level of armed conflict, whether international or non-international. The best known IHL treaties are the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their two Additional Protocols of 1977, but there are a range of other IHL treaties aimed at reducing human suffering in times of war, such as the 1997 Ottawa Convention on landmines. IHL - sometimes also called the Law of Armed Conflict or the Law of War - does not provide a definition of terrorism, but prohibits most acts committed in armed conflict that would commonly be considered " terrorist " if they were committed in peacetime.

It is a basic principle of IHL that persons fighting in armed conflict must, at all times, distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives. The " principle of distinction " , as this rule is known, is the cornerstone of IHL. Derived from it are many specific IHL rules aimed at protecting civilians, such as the prohibition of deliberate or direct attacks against civilians and civilian objects, the prohibition of indiscriminate attacks or the use of " human shields " . IHL also prohibits hostage taking.

In situations of armed conflict, there is no legal significance in describing deliberate acts of violence against civilians or civilian objects as " terrorist " because such acts would already constitute war crimes. Under the principle of universal jurisdiction, war crimes suspects may be criminally prosecuted not only by the state in which the crime occurred, but by all states.

1. Certain accounts jump onto any anti-Trump hash tag & tweet more furiously in retaliation, the more embarrassing the issue
2. One of my favourites is @sweetatertot2 aka 'Deplorable Melissa', who is frantically trying to own the #SeanSpicerFacts tag
https://twitter.com/sweetatertot2

3. When you start digging a bit 'Deplorable Melissa' turns out to be tweeting from an area in the north eastern suburbs of Moscow
4. When you dig deeper, this is where 'Deplorable Melissa' seems to be based.

5. Dig deeper than that and the 'Melissa' account admin seems to be called Матвей (Matvei in English)
6. The address from where Матвей is tweeting, is Федеральная служба по техническому и экспортному контролю
7. That's the Federal Service for Technic and Export Control. Part of the Russian intelligence community.
7. Bonus fun fact

8. One of the giveaways about these accounts is the very natural spelling mistakes that a non-native English speaker makes

9. Bonus fun fact. It took me 20 min to make all this shit up. It's #FakeNews The problem with #FakeNews is that it's believable
10. At the core of most #FakeNews stories is a grain of truth. The 'establishment' *is* self-serving & corrupt. So it's easy to frame them
11. The hard right *is* helped (probably unofficially, for purposes of creating confusion/disunity) by Russian intelligence
12. This story works because the hard right is best at deploying fake Twitter personas to spread their word. That's the grain of truth
13. It also works because 'Deplorable Melissa' is so implausible as an actual person. It has tens of thousands of fake followers itself
14. Another way it works is because it confirms our pre-existing prejudices. I'd have LOVED it if I'd stumbled across a troll being doxed
15. That's how #FakeNews works. It tells you what you want to hear. It tells you the enemy is EVEN WORSE than you thought.
16. For a more thorough demonstration read this
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/us/f...

17. If you want to really get under the skin of the disinformation around you watch Hypernormalisation on the iPlayer.
18. This thread came into my head because a spokesman for Trump has been barefaced lying about Trump's inaugural. My blood ran cold.
19. Based on the number of RTs & comments on the early part of it (the juicy fake bits) I'd say QED. We all love #FakeNews
20. If you're disappointed 'Melissa' didn't turn out to be Матвей after all, don't be. There are thousands of Матвейs tweeting for Trump
21. Upward of 40% of hard line pro-Brexit accounts were foreign-run. It's a fake world on here and the hard right want to keep it so.
22. They are now in power in America and the lies are now coming through official sources. Trump is a fake President built on lies.
23. Brexit is a fake national triumph built on misery, hope for a better future and basic stupidity. Call all these things out daily.
24. But don't lose faith in reality. It's still there, even if you have to wade through shit to see it.
25. Remember, reality - like science - is not a liberal conspiracy. It's just how shit works, as opposed to how we want things to work

RedDrake je 22. jan 2017 ob 20:59 izjavil:

Jep, Trump ne bo hebal mednarodne skupnosti 0.5%, če ne bo kaj zraven v dobrobit "USA".
Amerika bo nehala biti svetovni policaj.
In kot berem po forumih že od leta 2003-2004 je to po mnenju naših salonskih levičarjev in AnitFajev baje dobro.
A to spet ne bo v redu?
Make up your mind, children, please!

dice7 je 22. jan 2017 ob 10:08 izjavil:

Se videomontazo so nardili, da ga diskreditirajo


Donald in njegovi privrzenci pa seveda takoj v jok, ker ima en drug vecjega od njega
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38707722?...

jype je 23. jan 2017 ob 15:56 izjavil:

Matako je 23. jan 2017 ob 16:43 izjavil:

Kar me spomne...

Kaj zdaj, operativci? Kako je potem zdaj s tistimi ruskimi kurbami?

Odkar je Husein pobral šila in kopita je kar nekako potihnila debata o tem ... kje je nov info?!

gruntfürmich je 23. jan 2017 ob 16:38 izjavil:

jype je 23. jan 2017 ob 16:18 izjavil:

No, izobraženci so malo manj navdušeni:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever...

to niso izobraženci ampak korporacijske kurbe ki se bebčkom izdajajo za izobražence

dice7 je 23. jan 2017 ob 17:31 izjavil:

gruntfürmich je 23. jan 2017 ob 16:38 izjavil:

jype je 23. jan 2017 ob 16:18 izjavil:

No, izobraženci so malo manj navdušeni:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever...

to niso izobraženci ampak korporacijske kurbe ki se bebčkom izdajajo za izobražence

post-truth

I am going to try to explain why there is so much outrage in the intelligence agencies about what Trump did on Saturday in his CIA speech. Imagine having a campaign rally at the National Cemetary. Or a cocktail fundraiser amid the grave markers of US soldiers in Normandy. This "event'' Trump held, purportedly to greet CIA employees, was in the Memorial Wall room, where 117 CIA employees who died in service to our country are honored. Many more have died, and it takes special approval to receive a star on the wall or be listed in the book, called the Book of Honor. Many of the names of the fallen will never be known, because their identities have to be kept secret even in death.

Rarely is that room used for anything, but when it is, solemn nature of it is recognized. GW Bush was, I believe the first president to hold an event there in 2001, but it was exceedingly respectful and in keeping with the meaning of the room. The second major event was an appearance by Obama after the killing of Bin Laden, when he went to the CIA to thank the ppl there for their often anonymous sacrifices that led to that success in the fight against terrorism. Again, solemn and fitting with the meaning of the room.

Both Bush and Obama paid deep homage to those honored in the book and by the stars. CIA employees listened respectfully, but did not turn the events into rallies. Then, Trump. He has the audacity to bring people from his team to cheer for him and sit in the front rows. I can't imagine CIA employees cheering and whooping it up at Memorial Wall. It would be like screaming "BOO-yah!" at a funeral.

Trump made a single, over-the-shoulder mention of the stars. But he spent most of his time griping about the media, bragging about the number of times he had been on the cover of Time Magazine, and complaining that everyone was lying about numbers at his inauguration. And all the while, his professional cheerleaders who couldn't find their way to the CIA bathroom are sitting there, cheering for the man who apparently needs applause everywhere he goes. It was an abomination, perhaps the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen done by any president in that kind of place.

I felt sure we would hear from former director Brennan pretty fast. Why? Because one of those stars on the wall belongs to a close friend of his who died in service of this country. And he knows who all the others are as well. For him, I'm sure, it was like watching someone having a picnic on the graves in the National Cemetery. And then the same Trump staff that was too lazy or stupid to do the advance work on the CIA trip, so that they knew the meaning of the wall, go on TV to attack Brennan as a partisan hack for wanting a room of such enormous meaning to be treated with the solemnity it deserves.

And that is an important element here. I actually don't blame Trump for this horror show on Saturday. Few people outside of govnt know the meaning of the wall. That was his staff's job, and they clearly had no idea what they were sending Trump to do. No sane person would agree to send a cheering squad. They are incompetent. Worse, they are arrogant, and respond to others pointing out their undeniable errors by attacking and whining. No, anger at the dishonoring of patriots who died is not partisan. U don't want criticism? Do your jobs better and when u screw up, like u did by turning most solemn place in intel world as a rah-rah location, just admit it, apologize, and move on.

Samuel je 24. jan 2017 ob 07:07 izjavil:

oo7 je 23. jan 2017 ob 18:22 izjavil:

In kaj je s tem narobe? Putin je odličen predsednik in vodja.

Če bi bil Putin to, kar si napisal, bi v zadnjih 15 letih diverzificiral gospodarstvo, ne pa da sloni samo na črpanju nafte in orožarski industriji.
Nafilal je samo svoje žepe. V bistvu eden izmed najslabših voditeljev. Kitajski kolega ga šiša 100 na uro. Obama pa tudi.

RedDrake je 24. jan 2017 ob 08:24 izjavil:

Nice!

Če gre to skozi, potem je cel DNC diskvalificiran, ker jih financira Saudi Oil Money ...
To bi pa bil _DRAIN THE SWAMP_!

Matako je 24. jan 2017 ob 09:50 izjavil:

RedDrake je 24. jan 2017 ob 08:24 izjavil:

Nice!

Če gre to skozi, potem je cel DNC diskvalificiran, ker jih financira Saudi Oil Money ...
To bi pa bil _DRAIN THE SWAMP_!

Najs je predvsem za odvetnike - obrambo posameznika s funkcijo se da zlahka financirati z denarjem davkoplačevalcev (je legit - ni pa lepo).

Recimo pred leti je Husein zagonil 2M USD za izpodbijanje tožb o rojstnem certifikatu. Itak da je dobil - stroške plačale ovce šišarice. Advokati so pametni paraziti: pustijo, da gostitelj preživi.

Sicer ni kaj videti, pomikajte se naprej. Mene bolj zanimajo tiste maskovskaje kurbe! Kaj je zdaj z njimi? Nobenih informacij nimate!!!

mtosev je 24. jan 2017 ob 16:28 izjavil:

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