Intel Haswell (LGA 1150)

Čudno :) jst sm šaltal iz i5 750 na 3570k ... ZERO GAIN :) (po feelingu)

ker je skurl use skp :D

Dejte tisti ki imate haswelle malo ssjev nalimat. OC in UV

Mah, jaz sem študiral o nadgradnji samo potem sem pogledal svojega i5 750@4.0 na 60% in sem si rekel, nima smisla.
In to je zdaj že drugo leto ki iščem izgovor za nadgradnjo.

Če maš zravn 5850 nebo nekega gaina ja,jaz še vedno čakam na 7950 da prie z rma. Bomo vidli pa razliko. Svojo 750-ko zamenjo za 3770k,delidan.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Xserces je 14. jun 2013 ob 20:47 izjavil:

iz česa si šel na haswella? objavi kakšne rezultate ker "trga gate" nam ne pomeni nič

Iz Q9450 @3.6ghz in ja pretrga gate na tri kose


i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz pri 1.15v, Ring Bus 42x multi (auto voltaža 1.21v)



Hardreset @ ultra, FXAA 1080p (prej avg 82fps, min 32fps),


Sleeping Dogs @ high, normal aa(prej avg ~70fps),




Re5 Fixed benchmark @ 1080P, vse high in 4xaa, 97fps, sedaj 151.6fps



X3TC, zelo velik single threaded bottleneck, posebej prvi del - trade.

Prej:
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Scene "Trade" 43.2 average fps 16.0 minimum fps 97.0 maximum fps
Scene "Fight" 97.3 average fps 36.0 minimum fps 227.0 maximum fps
Scene "Build" 129.6 average fps 74.0 minimum fps 250.0 maximum fps
Scene "Think" 57.4 average fps 31.0 minimum fps 110.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 81.9 fps
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Sedaj:
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Scene "Trade" 88.8 average fps 38.0 minimum fps 207.0 maximum fps
Scene "Fight" 192.5 average fps 72.0 minimum fps 412.0 maximum fps
Scene "Build" 242.8 average fps 156.0 minimum fps 340.0 maximum fps
Scene "Think" 109.3 average fps 63.0 minimum fps 224.0 maximum fps

Overall average framerate: 158.3 fps


HitmanAbsolution - ultra level detail, sem moral zmanjšati na 720P da sem dobil cpu bottleneck


Prej pri kateri koli resoluciji avg ~ 45fps, kateri koli level detalj tudi pri medium oz. low.


Cinebench 11.5
gpu score prej okoli 56 fps, sedaj 91fps



3dmark11 @ 900mhz gpu OC


Da ne omenjam BF3, Natural Selection2, Serious Sam3, vse minimalno 50% hitrejše..No prej dobim gpu bottleneck

Še zmeraj nič?

Zakaj že, nimam potrebe neki đabe monsturm OC spuščat, pa testiral ali bo ok ali ne in ne bluzi z jajcanjem.

Ps; Še to mi je overkill, pri privzeti je dovolj hiter, bmk za wprime in superPI, mene samo špili zanimajo.

tole sem pobral iz foruma(tweaktown.com)..

Now, I'll share a secret imparted by the folks at ASUS who gave several reviewers some tips on overclocking the retail stepping Haswell chips: Set Vcore to 1.20 V. Set all cores to 46x (which would be a 4.6 GHz overclock), save & reboot. If the system boots past the UEFI and either begins to load or, ideally, makes it into the OS and is stable, you have a 50th percentile or greater chip on the Haswell overclocking-ability bell curve. If it won't at least boot there and make it into the UEFI, you probably have less than a 50th percentile chip. You can expect chips in the lower 50th percentile to top out in the 4.4-4.5 GHz range at 1.25 V.

If your chip will boot at 4.6 GHz and 1.25 V, that's very good. It means you have at least an average chip. If it will boot at 4.6 GHz and is stable there, then you may have an above average chip. The best chips will be able to do 4.8 GHz stable at 1.25 V. Our sample did 4.8 GHz, but at 1.3 V and on a custom water loop. Using 1.3 V will likely put a chip out of the air cooling / AIO water cooling thermal envelope. Temperatures in all of these scenarios, from the dog 4.3 GHz chips up to the good 4.8 GHz chips, will always be in the ~90°C range. That's just the nature of Haswell. With the VRM on-die, think of Haswell as Ivy Bridge plus 10° C.

Regrettably, according to overclocking legend Andre Yang, there is no way to bin Haswell for extreme overclocking purposes on ambient cooling. You couldn't do it with Ivy Bridge either. That ship sailed when Sandy Bridge, well, went under the bridge and continued down the river. If you're binning for extreme purposes (of which the esteemed Mr. Yang has binned over 500 chips as of late April), you simply have to take them cold. However, for most people's uses, the method above to bin on air is tried and true through the hundred plus they have binned at ASUS headquarters.

So, to sum up,

First check to see whether you have a chip on the upper end or the lower end of the Haswell bell curve.
There will be a large variation as you can see, from the 4.3 GHz dog up to the ideal 4.8 GHz chip, both at the same voltage and temperature.
Once you've checked on your chip, you have a general goal and can then set 1.25 V - manually, so it doesn't overshoot like it would on Progressive voltage.
After setting 1.25 V, then raise the multiplier.

pomoje je isto ce izklopis HT. in pa spet važno na kakšen primerek nabašeš...
i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz pri 1.15v, Ring Bus 42x multi (auto voltaža 1.21v) PORAZNO

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Za enkrat se ne bom zajbaval z OC, ker nimam potrebe. Ubistvu moram pa še malo počakati, da termalna pasta odda vso svojo moč, ker je še zmeraj una curing doba.. Zadeva komaj par ur laufa.

Xserces je 15. jun 2013 ob 10:58 izjavil:

pomoje je isto ce izklopis HT. in pa spet važno na kakšen primerek nabašeš...
i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz pri 1.15v, Ring Bus 42x multi (auto voltaža 1.21v) PORAZNO

HAHA, kaj že? Mislim keri bolani TROLL komentarji.

Nisem sploh probal več in btw to je kar solidna voltaža, ubistvu nadpovprečna..

Če rabim samo ~1.18v pri 4.6ghz potem vem, da bom lahko vsaj 1.25v na 4.7-4.8ghz, če ne še z nižjo voltažo.

tako, da keep on Trolling.

hojnikb je 15. jun 2013 ob 00:18 izjavil:

Xserces je 14. jun 2013 ob 23:02 izjavil:

Intel kills off a chunk of Haswell overclocking

FAIL :)

to se že neki cajta ve.. nič novega..
čeprav sn potihoma upo, da bojo strape pustil na vseh čipih (cheap pentium/i3 overclocking party )

Še to: K Haswelli nimajo VT-d in TSX
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.p...
http://techgage.com/news/intels-haswell...

As recent reports (and personal experience) seem to indicate, serious overclockers will be better off simply sticking to the LGA2011 Sandy Bridge-E platform anyway. The continued use of thermal compound in place of fluxless solder under the IHS has given Haswell “K” processors not only a slightly worse overclocking profile than their Ivy Bridge predecessors but also a very hot reputation indeed. We’ll have to get Intel to add “fluxless soldered heatspreaders” as another feature on Intel’s datasheets for its upcoming Ivy Bridge-E processors, which are expected to debut late this year.

Pa Iris Pro grafika za desktope je le na BGA/OEM (i7-4770R)
http://www.sevenforums.com/overclocking...

Skratka, Haswell je predvsem zanimiv za prenosnike/tablice - še en članek o Haswellu 4.5W SDP:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1495912...

Sure, the overclockers on the (dying) desktop platforms will see their overclocking headrooms contract, but Intel is moving to where the market is going - mobile - and doing so in a wildly ambitious fashion

Xserces je 15. jun 2013 ob 12:25 izjavil:

i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz pri 1.15v to je porazno ... in ne nism troll. Kdaj bos pa 6GHz na zraku probu?

nobenega napredka napram Ivyju pri OC... Ohhh pa tako so se hvalili fantje pri intlu in na slotechu kako bo to šlo do amena.

Ma nimaš pojma no,. Ajde pokaž rezultate IB z tako nizko voltažo in kako dalče pride, no da te vidmo!

btw, tisti zgodni leaki sploh niso registirali prave voltaže, ko je kazalo 0.89 ipd.. Isto tisti navidezni 6Ghz OC je bila samo ena velika buča. Pač jaz sem ji nasedel in kaj zdej?? Haswell je še zmeraj hitrejši v špilkah in to je vse kar me zanima.

Pa če še neveš 4770k@4.6ghz Haswell je isto kot Delided IvyBridge 3770k @ 5ghz. Poglej si xtremesystems forums, če hočeš več info.

Sem malo gledal reviewe od haswella pa povsod pravjo da so se res osredotočal predvsem na prenosnike in tablce.
Baje je problem ko se voltaža dvigne se procesor hudo greje tudi s dobrim aftermarket coolerjem.
iz enga članka
Even though Haswell allows engineering energy-efficient processors with impressively low heat dissipation, its performance-per-watt has worsened a lot when they adjusted its characteristics to meet the desktop requirements.

Za pcje pa se upgrejd ne splača sploh če gledamo da je treba plato zamenjat.
OK če bi imel recimo q6600 in bi se odločil za upgrejd pcja itak vzamem haswella.
Recimo če maš sandy bridge se sploh ne splača menjat za kaj novejšega. Sem naredil primerjavo moj 2500k na 4.5ghz je hitrejši od stock haswella 4770k v singlethreadu tko da sama brzina procesorja se ni kej dost povečala nekaj že glede na manjši proizvodnji proces to je pa tud to. Sem pročakoval kakšen bolj konkreten proskok v brzini recimo da bo stock haswell povozil mojega 2500k oc pa nima šans.

cinebench.
Pač sem pričakoval hitrejši proc. Sej drugač je haswell vornk. Samo vidim, da nič ne zamujam na procesorskem področju s mojim 2 leti in pol starim cpujem.
Naslednje leto bo vrjetno tik in potem še celo leto naokrog, da bo spet tak . Se pravi še za naslednji 2 leti bo moj 2500k čisto dovolj.
Sem kar zadovoljen :)

TechBeats je 15. jun 2013 ob 21:56 izjavil:

EDIT: sicer pa res boli me, pač pokazu sem kaj se da z hitrim 2-3min OC in dela brez problema na tej frek/voltaži, in kot sm rekel več ne rabim. Če te pa moti in druge pol pa vaš problem, ni se mi treba posmehovati in podobni bull.. Lahko se samo jaz smejem, ker sem dobil ta proc za samo 256EUR


Lp.

nimajo vsi možnosti goljufati ddv.

fovšarija? prej bi rekel nadutost...

Sure, the overclockers on the (dying) desktop platforms will see their overclocking headrooms contract, but Intel is moving to where the market is going - mobile - and doing so in a wildly ambitious fashion

kolk mi gre na živce ko kreteni pišejo dying desktop
če upade prodaja, še ne pomeni da bo desktop kar umrl
umrl bo, ko ne bo nobeden več zainteresiran pod mizo imeti trikrat večje kište in trikrav večjo sposobnost. do takrat si pa lahko mobile sektor vtaknejo v rit

7982884e je 16. jun 2013 ob 11:33 izjavil:

Sure, the overclockers on the (dying) desktop platforms will see their overclocking headrooms contract, but Intel is moving to where the market is going - mobile - and doing so in a wildly ambitious fashion

kolk mi gre na živce ko kreteni pišejo dying desktop
če upade prodaja, še ne pomeni da bo desktop kar umrl
umrl bo, ko ne bo nobeden več zainteresiran pod mizo imeti trikrat večje kište in trikrav večjo sposobnost. do takrat si pa lahko mobile sektor vtaknejo v rit

Ja, to tudi mene moti. Pač prodaja kišt ne narašča več. BTW, tu je novica o Haswell-E in DDR-4, tako da kište še nekaj časa ne bodo izginile:
http://www.hardware.fr/news/13196/haswe...

Res je, samo fora je pa, ker recimo Natural Selection2, SeriusSam3, Bf3 64player al pa 32, Hitman Aboslution itd., začne kolcat in imam prevečkat cpu bottlneck z low 40fps in to mi je že kar ornk najedalo. Sedaj nič več, vse šopa kot se šika, že na privzeti frekvenci kaj šele z OC'jem :)

No sedaj imam tudi sata3 in disk mi je pooskočil iz 260/270mb na 520/550mb in že to je en plus, drugi vsekako extra usb3 za prihodnost, potem WIFI go - usaj ta moja palata, Bluetooth 4.0 in še par bombončkov, ki kar prav pride.


Sicer pa ja mogoče sem se res prej malo arogantno odzval, samo mislm halo, nekateri komentraji so res banalni.

Lp.

Ja intel 330 180gb, testiral sem z ATTO in to je max zaznana hitrost.


@ Vaščan

evo pri 4.4ghz


Kok pa tvoj pokaže pri 4.5ghz?

v kateri realnosti?

Ok ja v As ssd je samo 470 pa 155

Samo imam pa že več kot 50% zasedenga diska.

Vsi samo ES testirajo potem, kao gor piše na CPUju ES.
82°C, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a...

Mal sem testiral OC

4.4Ghz ~1.140v
4.5Ghz ~1.165v
4.6Ghz ~1.210v
4.7Ghz ~1.260v


4.4Ghz Cinebench11.5: 9.69
4.5Ghz Cinebench11.5: 9.89
4.6Ghz Cinebench11.5: 10.06
4.7Ghz Cinebench11.5: 10.23

Za 4.7Ghz bi rabu push/pull ventilatorje gor na H90, ker je mal prevorče v Aida64stress (okol 82-85C)

130W TDP so pa ivy-e

In other news: tweaked haswell