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PujsekPepe ::
Itak. To bo na 110 k spet v nekaj tednih. Jbga prazniki prihajajo pa kiti nabavlajo darila za otroke. To je treba razumet
endelin ::
The shockwave hit MicroStrategy even harder. The company's stock has collapsed more than 40% this week and now sits 70% below its recent peak, breaking a major 1,021-day support trend line that had held since March 2023.
Pressure is mounting on Michael Saylor's long-running Bitcoin strategy as MicroStrategy's 649,870 BTC holdings, purchased at an average cost of $74,433, move closer to break-even. Bitcoin briefly bounced earlier this week after Nvidia posted another strong quarter, but the optimism faded fast and BTC reversed sharply. The price dipped as low as $83,000, with technical indicators showing no signs of relief. The RSI has fallen to 24, deep in oversold territory. The MACD continues to deteriorate.
endelin ::
The ongoing Bitcoin crash has claimed a major casualty: BlackRock (NYSE: BLK).
Yes, the world's largest asset manager recently suffered its worst-ever rout when its spot Bitcoin exchange-traded fund (ETF) saw the largest sell-off in a single day.
HODL!
PujsekPepe ::
Having a girlfriend when your bags are bleeding is insane.
You can be down 120k in a week and she'll still hit you with
"So where are we going for dinner?"
Like be serious.
We might not eat for weeks, what are you even talking about.
You can be down 120k in a week and she'll still hit you with
"So where are we going for dinner?"
Like be serious.
We might not eat for weeks, what are you even talking about.
Špricer ::
The shockwave hit MicroStrategy even harder. The company's stock has collapsed more than 40% this week and now sits 70% below its recent peak, breaking a major 1,021-day support trend line that had held since March 2023.
Pressure is mounting on Michael Saylor's long-running Bitcoin strategy as MicroStrategy's 649,870 BTC holdings, purchased at an average cost of $74,433, move closer to break-even. Bitcoin briefly bounced earlier this week after Nvidia posted another strong quarter, but the optimism faded fast and BTC reversed sharply. The price dipped as low as $83,000, with technical indicators showing no signs of relief. The RSI has fallen to 24, deep in oversold territory. The MACD continues to deteriorate.
A ni lepo po planu. On nikoli ne prodaja, je exit liquidity za zamudnike kot ste vi. Ampak pubeci raje hodlajo, ko bote prodali pod mojo ceno...knedli.
https://www.thestreet.com/crypto/market...
JPMorgan warns of MicroStrategy delisting risk from major equity indices
JPMorgan warns index cuts could trigger billions in forced MSTR selling.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/microstr...
MicroStrategy Faces $9 Billion Outflow Risk as Index Providers Eye Bitcoin Holdings
MicroStrategy Faces $9 Billion Outflow Risk as Index Providers Eye Bitcoin Holdings
MicroStrategy confronts a critical test as leading index providers consider rules that could strip the company of nearly $9 billion in passive investment flows.
MSCI is consulting on new criteria that would exclude firms with digital asset holdings exceeding 50% of total assets.
Index Exclusion Threatens Core Strategy
MicroStrategy, recently renamed Strategy Inc., holds 649,870 Bitcoin as of this writing, with an average cost of $74,430 per coin. The company's break-even price matches this purchase point, leaving little margin as Bitcoin trades under pressure.
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Špricer ::
PujsekPepe ::
Tako poceni ne bo nikoli vec:
Michael Saylor gives his updated #Bitcoin price predictions
o $150,000 by end of this year
o $1,000,000 over next 4-8 years
o $20,000,000 over next 20 years
Michael Saylor gives his updated #Bitcoin price predictions
o $150,000 by end of this year
o $1,000,000 over next 4-8 years
o $20,000,000 over next 20 years
Špricer ::
PujsekPepe je izjavil:
Tako poceni ne bo nikoli vec:
Michael Saylor gives his updated #Bitcoin price predictions
o $150,000 by end of this year
o $1,000,000 over next 4-8 years
o $20,000,000 over next 20 years
Kaj mu bo pomagalo če bo pa čez 20 let mrtev..
Špricer ::
THE MICROSTRATEGY CRASH THAT NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT
All eyes are now locked on MicroStrategy... and for a terrifying reason.
? $MSTR has officially collapsed down 40% in just one month and a brutal 68% from its record high.
This isn't a dip anymore. It's a full-scale meltdown.
? And here's where things get truly dangerous:
MicroStrategy now holds 649,870 BTC at an average price of $74,433.
That's the largest corporate Bitcoin position in the world by far.
But the math is unforgiving:
? If Bitcoin drops another ~9%, MicroStrategy's ENTIRE Bitcoin portfolio goes underwater.
Not a portion.
Not a segment.
The whole balance sheet bet turns red.
This would be the first time since the early 2020s that Saylor's legendary "Buy Bitcoin Forever" strategy faces a real stress test.
People are asking the question nobody dared to ask before:
? Can Saylor keep buying if MSTR collapses faster than Bitcoin itself?
? What happens if margin pressure forces them into risk-management mode?
? Is this the moment where MicroStrategy becomes the ultimate leverage play... in reverse?
One thing is certain:
The entire crypto market is silently praying Bitcoin does NOT take another leg down because if it does... MicroStrategy becomes the story of the year.
All eyes are now locked on MicroStrategy... and for a terrifying reason.
? $MSTR has officially collapsed down 40% in just one month and a brutal 68% from its record high.
This isn't a dip anymore. It's a full-scale meltdown.
? And here's where things get truly dangerous:
MicroStrategy now holds 649,870 BTC at an average price of $74,433.
That's the largest corporate Bitcoin position in the world by far.
But the math is unforgiving:
? If Bitcoin drops another ~9%, MicroStrategy's ENTIRE Bitcoin portfolio goes underwater.
Not a portion.
Not a segment.
The whole balance sheet bet turns red.
This would be the first time since the early 2020s that Saylor's legendary "Buy Bitcoin Forever" strategy faces a real stress test.
People are asking the question nobody dared to ask before:
? Can Saylor keep buying if MSTR collapses faster than Bitcoin itself?
? What happens if margin pressure forces them into risk-management mode?
? Is this the moment where MicroStrategy becomes the ultimate leverage play... in reverse?
One thing is certain:
The entire crypto market is silently praying Bitcoin does NOT take another leg down because if it does... MicroStrategy becomes the story of the year.
Špricer ::
https://m.economictimes.com/news/intern...
MicroStrategy's Bitcoin position is now close to turning negative as Bitcoin slid to $80,500, only $6,067 above the firm's average entry price of $74,433. BTC is now just 8% away from pushing the company's holdings into the red, a dramatic reversal from 46 days ago when MicroStrategy's Bitcoin position was up 70%. The rapid decline has also deepened pressure on the stock. MSTR is now down 70% from its record high, reflecting the speed and severity of the market's downturn and the tightening gap on Saylor's long-term bet.
MicroStrategy's Bitcoin position is now close to turning negative as Bitcoin slid to $80,500, only $6,067 above the firm's average entry price of $74,433. BTC is now just 8% away from pushing the company's holdings into the red, a dramatic reversal from 46 days ago when MicroStrategy's Bitcoin position was up 70%. The rapid decline has also deepened pressure on the stock. MSTR is now down 70% from its record high, reflecting the speed and severity of the market's downturn and the tightening gap on Saylor's long-term bet.
LeQuack ::
Dvomim da bo Saylorju kaj hudega, bo pa novo firmo ustanovil in kupoval Trump coine.
Quack !
Špricer ::
From +70% profit to the edge of loss:how MicroStrategy's billion USD Btc bet turned into a nightmare
In a dramatic and rapid reversal that captures the brutality of volatility in crypto markets, Michael Saylor and his company MicroStrategy (MSTR) are facing a moment of truth. After sitting on massive unrealized gains of 70% just 46 days ago, the recent Bitcoin crash has almost completely erased those profits leaving the largest institutional Bitcoin position only 8% away from turning into a loss.
This stunning shift not only highlights the inherent risks of Bitcoin, but also exposes the extreme fragility of MicroStrategy's highly leveraged strategy.
In a dramatic and rapid reversal that captures the brutality of volatility in crypto markets, Michael Saylor and his company MicroStrategy (MSTR) are facing a moment of truth. After sitting on massive unrealized gains of 70% just 46 days ago, the recent Bitcoin crash has almost completely erased those profits leaving the largest institutional Bitcoin position only 8% away from turning into a loss.
This stunning shift not only highlights the inherent risks of Bitcoin, but also exposes the extreme fragility of MicroStrategy's highly leveraged strategy.
PujsekPepe ::
https://x.com/crypto_chatter1/status/19...
JUST IN: Bonnie Blue buys $45M worth of Bitcoin with an average price of $86,025
JUST IN: Bonnie Blue buys $45M worth of Bitcoin with an average price of $86,025
Gregor P ::
Nekaj se dviga ... poslednje upanje 
The main failure in computers is usually located between keyboard and chair.
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
You read what you believe and you believe what you read ...
Nisam čit'o, ali osudjujem (nisem bral, a obsojam).
LeQuack ::
Evo do zvečer bomo že nad 90k, jutri pa ker bo šel stock market gor (to je zagarantirano, zmeraj ko je zelen petek je tudi zelen ponedeljek, look it up) pa zna bit že 95k. Saj je nekdo tu rekel da je bil 84k bottom, očitno je bil res.
Quack !
hamez66 ::
Je izkoristila tržno nišo, ki se je pojavila v času masovnih migracij v Evropo. He he he.
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PujsekPepe ::
3man ::
Tilio, čakam na razlago zakaj je ful dobro, da je izjemno mega naj projekt Cardano skoraj crknu.
Špricer ::
Tilio, čakam na razlago zakaj je ful dobro, da je izjemno mega naj projekt Cardano skoraj crknu.
Še ugotavljajo vsi akademiki, ampak je univerza zaprta. Charles pa placuje za kurbe čez vikend.
Buy order na 30000 nato pa nakupujem do 15000. Spet lažni skoki. Saylor se trudi lažno napihovati ceno. Ponci se bo zrušil prej ali slej.
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driftwood ::
Tilio, čakam na razlago zakaj je ful dobro, da je izjemno mega naj projekt Cardano skoraj crknu.
Še ugotavljajo vsi akademiki, ampak je univerza zaprta. Charles pa placuje za kurbe čez vikend.
Buy order na 30000 nato pa nakupujem do 15000. Spet lažni skoki. Saylor se trudi lažno napihovati ceno. Ponci se bo zrušil prej ali slej.
15k ne bo nikoli, ker bi to bilo 70% pod 200 tedenskim povprečjem in 85% pod vrhom.
Mogoče lahko pade na 30k, več pa ne.
tilio ::
Tilio, čakam na razlago zakaj je ful dobro, da je izjemno mega naj projekt Cardano skoraj crknu.
LOL. Verjamem, da bi si vi kremenčkovi to neizmerno želeli ampak te moram razočarat, da je bilo daleč od tega, da bi crknu. Beseda crknu sploh ni prava. Mediji komaj čakajo, da imajo kaj za poročat. Ko protokol dela 8 let brez problema pa pozabijo omenit. Problem je bil zelo resen ampak ni pa se končal kritično.
Vglavnem, kaj se je zgodilo:
1. Developerji so delal refaktoring na kodi in da ne gremo v detajle, refaktoring (reorganizacija kode) je naplavila na površje bug, ki je bil tam že od prej ampak se ni manifestiral.
2. Na preview chainu so ugotovili, da je bug. Tam je bil tudi en dolgoletni stake pool operater, ki je "malo uporniški seronja". Ta je opazil, da je prišlo do težave, ugotovil je katera transakcija je to povzročila. Medtem so developerji že iskali rešitev. Ta kekec je pa namenoma (zdaj se sicer izgovarja, da je bilo po neumnosti), naredil enako transakcijo na mainnetu in enako težavo povzročil tam.
Cardano omrežje sestavlja cca 3000 stake poolov in niso vsi pooli na isti verziji node-a. Eni so imeli novejšo verzijo z napako, drugi pa starejšo brez napake.
Več stakea kot je bilo na poolih z verzijo z napako bolj se je lahko problem propagiral po networku. Tisti nodei, ki buga niso imeli so takšno transakcijo gladko zavrnili, ker ni bila v skladu z ledger rule-i.
Kot bitcoiner verjetno veš, da bitcoin se lahko forka in takem primeru preživi najdaljši chain. Na Cardanu se je zgodilo enako. Problem je bil, da več stakea (60%) je bilo na novi verziji in je večina transakcij šla po tem novem forku, ki pa je bil koruptiran. (40%) stakea je bilo pa na starih verzijah, kjer je network deloval. Torej omrežje tehnično nikoli ni padlo ali se ustavilo, kar je zelo, zelo pomembno! Delovalo je kot je predvideno na dveh forkih. Je pa zaradi 60% vs 40% napačen fork rastel hitreje.
Težavo so praktično zaznali takoj in so nemudoma ukrepali. Pripravili so novo verzijo nodea, ki so jo stake pool operaterji začeli nameščat in network se je obnašal točno tako, kot protokol predvideva. Zdravi nodei so začeli producirat več blokov, tisti, ki se še niso upgradeali in jih je bilo vedno manj, so porizvajali vedno manj blokov. Pravi fork je začel rasti hitreje od napačnega in ko ga je dovolj prehitel je stari fork odmrl.
Za nepoznavalce softver developmenta:
Nič ni 100% razen davkov in smrti. Napakam se ne moreš 100% izognit lahko pa možnost napak z dobrimi procesi in orodji zmanjšaš. Letala padajo dol še vedno, kljub strogim razvojnim procesom in tudi Bitcoin
je denimo leta 2010 imel kritično napako, ki je omogočila 184 milijard novih Bitcoinov. Takrat se je tudi zgodil chain split. Satoshi je hitro ukrepal in pripravil patch. Drugi večji incident Bitcoina se je zgodil leta 2013, ko se je zaradi buga v kodi Bitcoin forkal za 6 ur.
Tako da ja, na tvojo žalost, Cardano je še vedno zelo dobro dizajniran blockchain. Kljub temu, da si takih incidentov ne želimo je ta pokazal, da blockchain protokol deluje.
Zanimivo je, da še največji kritik, Anatoly (Solana founder), ki je vedno zasmehoval Cardano je prvič v zgodovini javno pohvalil Cardano.
https://x.com/aeyakovenko/status/199244...
Kremenčkovi še vedno ne razumete, da je blockchain tech mogoče več kot kamnito kolo, ki bi ga radi vsakomur prodali.
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tilio ::
Tilio, čakam na razlago zakaj je ful dobro, da je izjemno mega naj projekt Cardano skoraj crknu.
Še ugotavljajo vsi akademiki, ampak je univerza zaprta. Charles pa placuje za kurbe čez vikend.
Buy order na 30000 nato pa nakupujem do 15000. Spet lažni skoki. Saylor se trudi lažno napihovati ceno. Ponci se bo zrušil prej ali slej.
To je res neverjetno Špricer. Me zanima kaj si ti v življenju naredil takega, da se čutiš, da lahko pljuvaš po ljudeh in projektih, ki dejanskao premikajo meje.
V tej temi vas je kar nekaj nedonošenčkov, ki ne znate cenit napredka. Samo serjete cele dneve in špekulirate. To vas pa res naredi vrhunskega človeka. Bravo.
tilio ::
Pa tole je smešno. "Višek novinarstva" Cointelegrapha.
>No one noticed Cardano's network partition, "because nobody uses it," one user said in response to Friday's incident.
To je na X-u nekdo napisal in je seveda neumnost brez primere. Bug so opazili takoj in takoj so se začeli povezovati stakepool operaterji, vse tri ustanovne entitete in inženirji. Takoj so se povezavli s CEXi. V bistvu so pokazali, da se lahko zelo hitro odzovejo na morebitne probleme. Uporabniki, ki so uporabljali nekatere aplikacije so imeli težave, ker so te aplikacije dobivale podatke iz pokvarjenega forka, nektere druge pa niso imele tega problema. Pomembno je, da chain ni obtičal in ni padel. Bloki so se proizvajali naprej na obeh forkih.
Veliko stvari, ki se bere na internetu je izkrivljen populizem.
>No one noticed Cardano's network partition, "because nobody uses it," one user said in response to Friday's incident.
To je na X-u nekdo napisal in je seveda neumnost brez primere. Bug so opazili takoj in takoj so se začeli povezovati stakepool operaterji, vse tri ustanovne entitete in inženirji. Takoj so se povezavli s CEXi. V bistvu so pokazali, da se lahko zelo hitro odzovejo na morebitne probleme. Uporabniki, ki so uporabljali nekatere aplikacije so imeli težave, ker so te aplikacije dobivale podatke iz pokvarjenega forka, nektere druge pa niso imele tega problema. Pomembno je, da chain ni obtičal in ni padel. Bloki so se proizvajali naprej na obeh forkih.
Veliko stvari, ki se bere na internetu je izkrivljen populizem.
tilio ::
Še ena za @3man:
O tem govorim, ko pravim, da ne cenite napredka. Cardano je napredek. Lahko ste mnenja, da je POW boljši ampak znanost je šla naprej. Mogoče se bo izkazal Kaspa za boljši chain ali kateri drugi, kjer je šla znanost naprej. Znanost in napredek pa žal ne vedno pomeni uspeh ali dominanco na trgu. Na to vpliva še veliko drugih faktorjev. Je pa neumno, da kremenčkovi prepričujejo, da je kamnito kolo vse kar rabimo in se tam razvoj konča.
Most people don't understand why Cardano stands out. Despite or even precisely because of the last incident.
Bitcoin or PoW in general, gets security from physics.
You can't fake energy. You can't mine on every fork.
Thermodynamics make the rules.
PoS doesn't get that for free.
Stake is digital, copyable, replayable, signable on every fork. Without having to expend a lot of energy.
Most PoS chains just pretend this isn't a problem.
Cardano didn't.
It built VRF leader selection, stake snapshots, long-range protection, deterministic epochs, and mathematically proven finality. All peer-reviewed and actually equivalent to Nakamoto-style security.
PoW needs one rule: follow the most work.
PoS needs real research.
And the last incident on Cardano just proved one thing:
The math held. That's the difference.
O tem govorim, ko pravim, da ne cenite napredka. Cardano je napredek. Lahko ste mnenja, da je POW boljši ampak znanost je šla naprej. Mogoče se bo izkazal Kaspa za boljši chain ali kateri drugi, kjer je šla znanost naprej. Znanost in napredek pa žal ne vedno pomeni uspeh ali dominanco na trgu. Na to vpliva še veliko drugih faktorjev. Je pa neumno, da kremenčkovi prepričujejo, da je kamnito kolo vse kar rabimo in se tam razvoj konča.
ripmork ::
Zanimiva analiza - DCA kupovanje brez prodaje ob več scenarijih (skozi zadnjih 6 let):
Zgleda se precej splača orientirat na "Fear&Greed" indikator...
- Simple DCA* (regardless of sentiment): 219.5% ROI
- Buy when Fear < 20: 463.9% ROI 🔥
- Buy when Fear < 10: 682% ROI 🤯
**An interesting fact: I tested selling on GREED, and all the results were worse than just holding. I think this is because greed phases last for months, and if you start selling during them, you exit too early.
Zgleda se precej splača orientirat na "Fear&Greed" indikator...
Špricer ::
Zanimiva analiza - DCA kupovanje brez prodaje ob več scenarijih (skozi zadnjih 6 let):
- Simple DCA* (regardless of sentiment): 219.5% ROI
- Buy when Fear < 20: 463.9% ROI 🔥
- Buy when Fear < 10: 682% ROI 🤯
**An interesting fact: I tested selling on GREED, and all the results were worse than just holding. I think this is because greed phases last for months, and if you start selling during them, you exit too early.
Zgleda se precej splača orientirat na "Fear&Greed" indikator...
Kupuj ko raste. Ali pa lovi nože, falling knife. Se vddno je pod 3t mc. Še vedno je btc pod povprečjem. Še vedno grr lahko nižje. Pamet v roke pubeci. Sedsj se prodaja.