Rusija vs. Ukrajina aka. "Putin - še sladkih 16 let na oblasti?"

fur80 je 30. sep 2022 ob 22:09 izjavil:

mackilla je 30. sep 2022 ob 21:40 izjavil:

mailer je 30. sep 2022 ob 21:18 izjavil:

kow je 30. sep 2022 ob 18:53 izjavil:

Ce Putin vrze bombo, bi rekel, da vse drzave takoj zaprejo svoje meje. Kazahstan, Kitajci.. vsi.

V skrajnem primeru bi rusi poslali v vsako eu državo kakšno močnejšo balistično raketo, da popolnoma kontaminirajo cel kontinent. Tako onemogočijo vsak poskus kopenskega napada.

Itak bi jih dobili nazaj tako,da to sploh ni opcija.

Počasi, korak po koraku, najprej pade Liman, potem bomo pa videli naprej! :D S. Donjeck, Kherson...? ;)

Upam na Herson;)

Spet sprašujem, če je to fašizem? Video.

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/sta...

Russian Putinist actor Okhlobystin charges Moscow crowd for "holy war" as Russia announces annexation of Ukrainian occupied regions while its troops get surrounded in Lyman

Ivan Okhlobystin @ Wikipedia

Kaj pa tole, še en video?

https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1...

Pro-Kremlin blogger Vladlen Tatarsky in the Kremlin Grand Hall adds his commentary after Putin's speech:

"We'll conquer everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll loot whoever we need to, and everything will be just as we like it."

https://twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/stat...

Let's talk about Xenia Sobchak and why she needs to get sanctioned by every possible Western country now. Short version: she is killing both russians and Ukrainians.

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There is a movement of election observers in Russia and they needed people for problematic areas - Mordovia, Dagestan, Chechnya. I agreed to go just like hundreds of other brave people.

In order to observe you need a permit from the candidate. Usually, every party distributes thousands of permits and they end up in non-profits. You can get a permit from KPRF or even United Russia, it doesn't matter, it's just the formality.

Xenia does the unthinkable. She calls back her permits during election day. And we are in these regions, and this paper is our only protection. KPRF, LDPR, or any other pro-putin party never did it. Opposition sweetheart Xenia Sobchak did.

That's unforgivable you say, her future is fucked. But Xenia is smart, she knows how people forget anything. She lays low and starts to build her own media from the scratch. She rip-offs the popular interview format and adds her charm to the formula.

2022, Xenia is an active antiwar voice with a huge audience, a big YouTube channel, and her own fleet of journalists under the Ostorojno brand. The new trap is being installed, with more people than ever running into it. When is it going to close?

It is September 2022 and Putin calls for mobilization. People get to the war directly from recruitment offices. No one knows what to do. Everyone is looking for any expertise. And here comes your friendly neighbor Xenia Sobchak.

She calls in an expert who tells that you can go to the draft board if you are sure you can't be drafted. He says there are chances for you to find justice. No worries, just be smart, fight for your rights and everything is gonna be fine.

This video got 4 million views. 4 million people heard that you will not be criminally abducted and it's okay to visit a draft board. 4 million people can now spread this knowledge through their friends. Good job, Xenia, you just did your job perfectly once again.

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stroj66684 je 30. sep 2022 ob 22:53 izjavil:

Comandante je 30. sep 2022 ob 22:22 izjavil:

Chalky je 30. sep 2022 ob 18:23 izjavil:

Morda kdo ve če bi se NATO recimo vklopil v vojno in odgovoril z vsem konvencionalnim orožjem mislite da je možno da bi v prvem napadu ničili vso vojaško infrastrukturo (silosi, mornarico, letališča, raketni sistemi ki nosijo jedrske rakete itd). Mislite da je možno da popolnoma onemogočijo kakršen koli napad z jedrskim orožjem v prvem preletu? Kakor vem ima NATO skoraj 7000 bojnih letal ter 25.000 vojaških letal ter več kot 1000 bojnih ladij ter ter 150 podmornic. Mislite da je možno preko konvencionalnega orožja preprečiti jedrski spopad? Verjetno bi bil še največji problem locirati ruske podmornice preko katerih bi lahko izvedli jedrski napad. Če bi se NATO postavil v popolno pripravljenost in označil vse tarče v naprej in če bi šel notri z več tisoči bojnimi letali kaj pa vem, verjetno težko ker lahko taktično jedrsko orožje lansira z navadnega tovornjaka in je skoraj 100% da bi kakšnega spregledali.

Jedrska triada je ponavadi zastavljena tako, da prezivi ne samo konvencionalen napad, ampak tudi prvi jedrski udar.

Za silose se ve kje se nahajajo, tisto se praviloma unici v prvem napadu. Rusi imajo sicer neke mobilne lanserje ki se vozijo okoli, vendar sem preprican, da jih ima NATO na broju. Potem so tu podmornice, ki jih je tezje odkriti, in letala, ki potrebujejo svoj cas do cilja.

Ce se NATO sistematicno loti Rusije z vsem kar ima, in Rusi ne bi opazili priprav (kar je btw nemogoce), je zelo verjetno, da bi kompletno rusko letalstvo onesposobili na tleh oziroma preden bi prislo do tock za istrelitev raket. NATO ima na stotine letal pete generacije, koliko so vredni ruski S300/S400 pa smo tudi videli v Ukrajini. Podmornice je cisto mozno, da Americani zasledujejo vse po vrsti. Tiste bi sle takoj po gobe.

Neresljiva tezava so raketni silosi na celini, ter mobilni lanserji. Tega se ne da uniciti pravocasno, edina opcija je poskus prestrezanja. Zmogljivosti teh obrambnih sistemov se zelo skriva, so pa malostevilni in imajo relativno slabo uspesnost. Nekaj bi Americani zagotovo prestregli z AEGIS ladjami in AEGIS ashore, ter Ground-based Midcourse Defense, vsega pa ne morejo.

Rezultat bi bil nekaj unicenih mest na Zahodu, ker dolocene konice bi prisle skozi. Pod pogojem, da Rusom vecji del jedrskega orozja se sploh deluje - sodec po videnem v Ukrajini bi si upal trditi, da ne.

Pozabil si omeniti "bodalo" -nadzvočna raketa, ki ni obrambe pred to raketo. Potem je še, da rusija veliko prestreza in uniči HIMARS. Tako da ima solidno protiraketno zaščito. Kolikor sem bral, da je ruski jederski arzenal bolj sodoben od evropskega, razen če je vmes evropa posodobila ali kupila od ameriškega arzenala.

Da rusija veliko prestreza in uniči HIMARS? Imaš kak vir za to?

gozdar1 je 30. sep 2022 ob 22:58 izjavil:

Kot je bilo že povedano kindžal je samo stara balistična raketa namontirana na avijon. Vse balistične rakete so načeloma tudi hipersonične. Rusija ima s himarsom velike težave, ker rakete ne latijo po predvidljivi balistični trajektoriji. Obramba pred jedrskim napadom ne obstaja. Vzdrževanje jedrskega orožja je izjemno drago, glede na ruski proračun je vprašanje kolikšen del je dejansko operaiven.

Glede HIMARS, citiram : Russian air defense systems shot down 17 HIMARS rockets and 1 US-manufactured HARM anti-radar missile near near Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region., če so podatki točni in vprašanje kolikor jih prestrezajo v procentih.

stroj66684 je 30. sep 2022 ob 23:08 izjavil:

gozdar1 je 30. sep 2022 ob 22:58 izjavil:

Kot je bilo že povedano kindžal je samo stara balistična raketa namontirana na avijon. Vse balistične rakete so načeloma tudi hipersonične. Rusija ima s himarsom velike težave, ker rakete ne latijo po predvidljivi balistični trajektoriji. Obramba pred jedrskim napadom ne obstaja. Vzdrževanje jedrskega orožja je izjemno drago, glede na ruski proračun je vprašanje kolikšen del je dejansko operaiven.

Glede HIMARS, citiram : Russian air defense systems shot down 17 HIMARS rockets and 1 US-manufactured HARM anti-radar missile near near Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region., če so podatki točni in vprašanje kolikor jih prestrezajo v procentih.

Še ena stran ruske propagande. https://southfront.org/kiev-regime-kill...


Lepo beri tole rusko propagando, predlagam ti še InterSlavaZ kanal pa obilno robčkov. https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1...

10 mandeljcev na slotech en drugega podpihuje kak je NATO oh in sploh. Če bi imeli jajca in tehnologijo bi bila Rusija že pokojna. Usral so se, dejstvo. Ta tema je za zaklep

Klaus Fuchs
Klaus Fuchs @ Wikipedia

xgeorgex je 30. sep 2022 ob 23:21 izjavil:

10 mandeljcev na slotech en drugega podpihuje kak je NATO oh in sploh. Če bi imeli jajca in tehnologijo bi bila Rusija že pokojna. Usral so se, dejstvo. Ta tema je za zaklep

Spet eden, ki bi nam rad povedal, da je kanon futer boljše kot high tech? :D NATO nima jajc? Vsi pa vemo, ko bo NATO zašratral, ni več poti nazaj...

tikitoki je 30. sep 2022 ob 23:22 izjavil:

xgeorgex je 30. sep 2022 ob 23:21 izjavil:

10 mandeljcev na slotech en drugega podpihuje kak je NATO oh in sploh. Če bi imeli jajca in tehnologijo bi bila Rusija že pokojna. Usral so se, dejstvo. Ta tema je za zaklep

Tko nekako, nima NATO jajca za napad na Rusijo.

Haha, danes proslavljajte, danes je veš dan! :D Še enkrat pa, zakaj bi NATO napadel Rusijo?

Od velike posebne operscije je ostala samo proslava posebnih. Dejansko se slavi navidezna priklučitev teritorijev, ki jih rusija sploh ne kontrolira. Med tem ko, so osnovni cilji te operacije ostali samo želje.
Ampak če rusi kaj znajo je delanje zmage iz porazov.

Drugače pa še en žep se zapira pri Borova, Rusi imajo spet edino cesto za umik v Svatove pod artiljerijo.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Borov...!4m5!3m4!1s0x4120949c4232f2bd:0xf437087459b7eb99!8m2!3d49.3742511!4d37.6230139

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status...

Oh My! Just look at the AFU push going South East from Kupyansk through Krokhmaine on that map!

The Russians just committed most of their Luhansk reserves to salvage anything out of Lyman.

That S.E. AFU push from Kupyansk is a 'block Russian supplies going south from Svatove and collapse the whole front' move.

I think we have passed the major Russian collapse inflection point. It isn't whether the Russians will collapse in Northern Luhansk now.

It is how far can the AFU push during the forthcoming Russian collapse.

xgeorgex je 30. sep 2022 ob 23:21 izjavil:

10 mandeljcev na slotech en drugega podpihuje kak je NATO oh in sploh. Če bi imeli jajca in tehnologijo bi bila Rusija že pokojna. Usral so se, dejstvo. Ta tema je za zaklep

Raša stronk Zakaj bi NATO napadel Rusijo? Nehaj bloditi. Rusija je bencinska pumpa z nuklearnim orožjem. Brez sekreta. Scat moraš odzadaj po steni. Sprijazni se.

fur80 je 30. sep 2022 ob 23:50 izjavil:

Ve kdo, kdo ali kaj je to poleg Medvedjeva? :D

Someone will be able to say what is happening with the Russian leadership?

https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/sta...

nek filter

Smrekar1 je 30. sep 2022 ob 07:43 izjavil:

tikitoki je 29. sep 2022 ob 18:25 izjavil:

Posledice krsenja pogodbe:)? Resno? To nej bi Putina skrbelo?

Jup. Zahod drži 300 milijard ruskih deviznih rezerv in lahko izplačuje odškodnine iz tega.

Moje osebno mnenje je, da je za sabotažo neka provojna frakcija znotraj Kremlja. Ne Putin osebno, ampak njegovi provojni pribočniki, ki si želijo zaostritve.

Hmm v stilu film Vsota vseh strahov xd.

TezkoDihanje je 30. sep 2022 ob 20:24 izjavil:

po tej cesti naj bi bežali Rusi iz Lymana v Zarichne:

đizus fakin krajst


Izpoved ukrajinskega vojaka glede situacije na zgornji cesti in naprej proti Kreminni.

“its a slaughter”
https://ukrainevolunteer297689472.wordp...

Only a few mins here. Ran out of ammo and backed off south. Am a bit traumatized and need some sleep. I have no idea what is going on except we engaged a lot of elements headed to Kreminna. They have to be coming from Lyman and Zarichne. Right now we are in a safe area, it seems.

I have never seen so many dead, soon to be dead, and wounded people in my life. People begging for help, but no way we can help them. We have little to help them with, a small medical kit each, no morphine, and no time to render any kind of useful aid. No idea if they will live or die. You just keep moving.

One guy had obviously stepped on a mine by the side of the road. One leg was gone at mid-thigh, the other one was broken lower down and his foot was backward. He was trying to crawl somewhere on one good knee, trailing flowing blood out of a busted artery. Unless he got help quick, he was gone. He was talking calmly in Russian, saying over-and-over, “I will be home soon mother.”

Christ. You and your guys ok?

Yeah, just tired and mentally warped. At one point, we were running down the side of the road and —— slipped in a pool of blood running into the ditch from a still living Russian laying across the stripe (dead people don’t bleed very fast…only gravity feed), and he slid onto the shoulder and got up cussing with blood all over him. “get me some water, this fucking cunt probably has some kind of fulminating disease.” We almost fell over laughing.

Are we talking hundreds? Were they on foot or vehicles? There’s a video on Twitter somewhere purportedly from west of Kreminna. Actually just audio, nonstop gunfire.

Lots, just us, maybe 140 dead Russians. Like hunting squirrels in a pecan orchard. I have to think Lyman is under our control, but we have no info on that.

We all got split-up into smaller groups, too much contact going on to stay together. here with about 20 guys, trying to make contact with someone to get ammo.

Lot of people on foot, some running down the road, some trying to make their way through the forest to the south of the road. A half-a-dozen Russians came into the woods where we were in a hide to catch our breath and eat, they almost ran into us, but as usual, were moving fast and talking. We cut them down before they knew what was happening. They had little ammo, no med kits, very little food, and no info at all on them except for their phones and some family stuff. Trying to get intel off stiffs here is a very disappointing exercise.

I can’t imagine.

The road has been mined by artillery laydown, not all that accurate, but accurate enough to create bottlenecks, which creates a free-fire zone.

When you engage a vehicle, then seem to unass it in-place and head for the fields or the forest.

They probably see the same videos of vehicles going up catastrophically.

I came away shaking like a leaf, not scared, just wired and sick of killing people. On the way back —— got in a stream and washed off, and vomited his guts out. I was looking at his eyes and he was seeing things way back home.

How long ago did this happen? Is it still going on?

It is still going on. We had to back out to try to get resupplied. Artillery is going over our heads. We have to try to sleep, get ammo, and get back up there.

Take care of yourself, please.

There is a Yook Lieutenant here who is trying to get some kind of info, but so far nada. We don’t know if we are to go to Kreminna or head (direction).

Did you guys link up with the Ukrainian SOF?

We did, but all got separated, we took a lot of fire at first and had to move away, and lost contact with the main group.

I am ok, just too much jammed into a short time.

It must have been just chaos.

Yes.

The key is to get ammo.

It’s 8 am there. This went on all night?

Yeah, but then it became just killing people. I wish I knew what was going on toward Lyman. I think we will move (direction) and connect with an armored group, get some kit, and head back to (direction) of Kreminna. That is the talk anyway. And, that is kinda what I thought would play out.

Ok, I gotta try to sleep a bit, cause I think we will be moving before long.

That’s a good idea. Rest up, we’ll talk later.

Later

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https://twitter.com/KyleMizokami/status...
Just to make it clear, this conversation was over social media. Not a phone call. The blog overall makes that clear, but the individual post does not. I just let him type. I didn't ask the best questions, I could barely believe what I was reading.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/...
From RU Kreminna:
"We are done, for f*ck sake. I just met with them that are still there, there is nobody in the frontline anymore. Not the 208th, nobody. We take the toll in here, i am laughing at Shoigu. Everbody knows where these fagg*ts are seating".

Pac-Man je 1. okt 2022 ob 07:41 izjavil:

Zdaj bo kar naenkrat Rusija sama proti celemu svetu. Jim bo potegnilo?

Definiraj "celi svet".

Kitajci? Indijci? Afričani? ...

@RadioFreeTom s Twitterja za The Atlantic o včerajšnji predstavi

Konec 80ih je doktoriral s tezo "The politics of doctrine: Khrushchev, Gorbachev and the Soviet military", odličen timing BTW, zdaj pa predava jedrsko strategijo ali nekaj podobnega.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters...

Putin announced his attempt to lay claim to eastern Ukraine with his most unhinged speech yet, intending to terrify the rest of the world into submission. We should instead continue to show courage and steadfastness.

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Putin’s rant was meant to make the world quail in fear. In reality, Putin is likely more terrified than anyone right now: He’s a Russian dictator losing a war of aggression, and he knows how that could end for him. In his speech, he justified the war in Ukraine using everything from the boundaries of ancient Russia to what he sees as the illegitimate dissolution of the Soviet Union. With sheer brass, he then complained about Western colonialism and human-rights violations—this, from the leader of a country with a long and bloody history, from the tsars to Stalin and beyond, of enslaving and murdering millions.

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Of course, the current international system was constructed after World War II with the participation of the Soviet Union itself, and the Russians have been beneficiaries of that order—and its economic rules and stability—for decades. Putin once supported it, before he mired himself in a war he could not win.

And then the speech really got wild.

Addressing the regime in Kyiv and “their real bosses in the West,” Putin dove into a steaming vat of paranoia, grandiosity, and inferiority, a stew whose toxic fumes have always permeated the Kremlin. He claimed that the West hates “Russian philosophy and thought,” as if people in Washington and London spend a lot of time thinking about any of that. He fulminated about trans people—almost certainly hoping that the usual useful idiots in the right-wing American press will pick up on it—and referred to the “overthrow of faith and traditional values” in the West as equivalent to “Satanism.”

Putin might well believe at least some of this, but like most Russian elites, he somehow manages to maintain a pretty cozy relationship with the banks and fashion houses run by those ostensible devil worshippers. He is also, however, trying to rally the most retrograde segments of Russian society while seeking to split the West with his usual rhubarb about defending Christian values.

What’s really going on here is that Putin, facing military collapse along the Ukrainian front, is desperately trying to deter Ukraine and its supporters from another round of offensives. He is trying to flip the script, to turn Russia from the aggressor into the defender, and to recast his botched adventure as the Great Patriotic War 2.0, a defense of the Motherland against fascist invaders. To do this, he has turned occupied Ukrainian territory into “Russia” and magically transformed subjugated Ukrainians into “Russians.”

We can’t let him get away with it. Many readers of The Atlantic know that I have for months counseled American caution and restraint while also supporting military aid and money for Ukraine. I still do. But Putin has now said that he is at war with everything that the nations of the world—including Russia—have built since the end of World War II. His demand is to be allowed to brutalize whomever he chooses and seize whatever he wants. His threat, no longer even barely veiled, is that if he is not allowed to run amok and create bloodbaths by fiat, he will use nuclear weapons.

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Poldi112 je 1. okt 2022 ob 10:42 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 1. okt 2022 ob 07:41 izjavil:

Zdaj bo kar naenkrat Rusija sama proti celemu svetu. Jim bo potegnilo?

Definiraj "celi svet".

Kitajci? Indijci? Afričani? ...

Njihova "podpora" se konča pri tem, da se vzdržijo ob glasovanjih v ZN. Še toliko jajc nimajo, da bi glasovali z Rusijo.

Thoughts & prayers.

Nazadnje je US odobrila 1B pomoči. 18 HIMARS sistemov v dveh letih.

Kaj to pomeni v realnosti: Lockheed bo dobil 1B naročilo za sisteme od US davkoplačevalcev. Izgovor za trošenje davkov...

2024 bo UA od tega dobila bore malo.
Bomo videli, počakajmo.

redtech je 1. okt 2022 ob 11:15 izjavil:

Nazadnje je US odobrila 1B pomoči. 18 HIMARS sistemov v dveh letih.

Kaj to pomeni v realnosti: Lockheed bo dobil 1B naročilo za sisteme od US davkoplačevalcev. Izgovor za trošenje davkov...

2024 bo UA od tega dobila bore malo.
Bomo videli, počakajmo.

kaj kaj??

teh 18 HIMARSov je že na poti, če že niso prispeli


PS: Pa kje najdeš te neumnosti???

MadMen je 1. okt 2022 ob 11:22 izjavil:

Težko dihanje, to je stara slika, to je bila pošiljka iz USA v Romunijo(za Romunijo).

Američani prvo pošljejo, potem pa objavijo.
To počnejo že nekaj mesecev. Isto tudi drugi.

TezkoDihanje je 1. okt 2022 ob 10:43 izjavil:

Poldi112 je 1. okt 2022 ob 10:42 izjavil:

Pac-Man je 1. okt 2022 ob 07:41 izjavil:

Zdaj bo kar naenkrat Rusija sama proti celemu svetu. Jim bo potegnilo?

Definiraj "celi svet".

Kitajci? Indijci? Afričani? ...

Tile niso ruski zavezniki. So samo bolj ali manj nevtralni.

Točno tako. Kako bo potem rusija sama proti celemu svetu, če večna sveta ni proti njim?