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Pac-Man ::

DB nekaj ima.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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jype ::

Jarno je izjavil:

Impeach zaradi netaktnosti in tweetanja neumnosti?
Nah.

Zaradi pedofilije, davčnih utaj, zlorabe položaja in poizkušanja vplivanja na priče in potek preiskave.

c3p0 je izjavil:

Seveda se ne bo zgodilo nič
A tako kot se do zdaj ni? Tisti Trumpovi kolegi, ki trenutno prestajajo zaporno kazen, se zagotovo strinjajo s teboj.

Jarno ::

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Obama v2.0? Not bad.
There lives a zipacna in zugrarna...

jype ::

Jarno je izjavil:

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Odlično, kadar je tiho in se ne kaže v javnosti.

Jarno ::

jype je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Odlično, kadar je tiho in se ne kaže v javnosti.

Še vedno bolje od Bernija, ki je že po malem "Za dom spreman!". :))
There lives a zipacna in zugrarna...

Pac-Man ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Trump ima na pufih pri Deutsche Bank za poroke ruske oligarhe blizu Putina. Zaenkrat še govorice, video na povezavi.


Se bojim, da imamo potrditev. Trump ne toži, če ni res.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-e...

On Wednesday, his personal attorney Charles Harder threatened NBCUniversal with a defamation suit over what was broadcast the previous night on MSNBC's The Last Word With Lawrence O’Donnell. A missive sent to NBCU headquarters, obtained by The Hollywood Reporter, also addresses a related tweet.

According to Harder's demand letter, "The Program and Tweet make the false and defamatory statements that 'Russian oligarchs' co-signed loans provided to Mr. Trump by Deutsche Bank, and described these 'co-signers' as 'Russian billionaires close to Vladimir Putin.'”

Harder is also warning others against republishing the allegedly false statement. (The Hollywood Reporter is doing so because it believes such republication is a matter of utmost public concern and protected by the First Amendment in connection with anticipated litigation.)

Trump is certainly notorious for defamation threats, but this may be the first formal one from a sitting president. Should Trump actually pursue a defamation suit and it survived any initial First Amendment challenge, he'd subject himself to a discovery process months after the conclusion of the investigation by Robert Mueller — which Trump repeatedly characterized as a "witch hunt."

...

MSNBC declines comment. Deutsche Bank has also declined comment on O'Donnell's assertion.

Trump is demanding that O'Donnell and NBCU "immediately and prominently retract, correct and apologize for the aforementioned false and defamatory statements."

"Failure to do so will leave my clients with no alternative but to consider their legal options which could include immediate legal proceedings against Mr. O’Donnell and NBCU," concludes the letter. "Should that occur, my clients would pursue all available causes of action and seek all available damages and other legal remedies to the maximum extent permitted by law."


Jarno je izjavil:

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Obama v2.0? Not bad.


Po rejtingih OK, sploh med Črnci, spuntana republikanca, ki ju berem, navijata zanj, ampak kar se mene tiče je nagnjen napakam, ima predolgo dokumentirano zgodovino v politiki, njegov sine pa lahko konkurira vsem trumpovim otrokom skupaj.

Za moj denar sta najboljši kandidatki Warrenova ali Harrisova.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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jype ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Za moj denar sta najboljši kandidatki Warrenova ali Harrisova.
Torej Bernie, kul.

Pac-Man ::

Pred naslednjo debato jih bo precej odpadlo, tudi Tulsi in Marianne.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/h...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

xxxul ::

pa tako veselje je blo okol teh oligarhov:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Lawrence/sta...

next story...

Master_Yoda ::

Jarno je izjavil:

jype je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Odlično, kadar je tiho in se ne kaže v javnosti.

Še vedno bolje od Bernija, ki je že po malem "Za dom spreman!". :))


Ne bi rekel:

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.

ZaphodBB ::

jype je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

Impeach zaradi netaktnosti in tweetanja neumnosti?
Nah.

Zaradi pedofilije, davčnih utaj, zlorabe položaja in poizkušanja vplivanja na priče in potek preiskave.

c3p0 je izjavil:

Seveda se ne bo zgodilo nič
A tako kot se do zdaj ni? Tisti Trumpovi kolegi, ki trenutno prestajajo zaporno kazen, se zagotovo strinjajo s teboj.

Vau. Končno se bosta klintona znašla za zapahi!
"Naši dedje so se borili za to, da lahko odločamo
o lastni usodi - ne o usodi drugih ljudi." -jype

Urbano#Desno ::

Master_Yoda je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

jype je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Odlično, kadar je tiho in se ne kaže v javnosti.

Še vedno bolje od Bernija, ki je že po malem "Za dom spreman!". :))


Ne bi rekel:




Bizarno.

Kako lahko nekdo celotno volilno kampanijo temelji na porazdeljevanju in da se na drugi strani najdejo ljudje ki si želijo privoliti njim neupravičen standard.

Poldi112 ::

Kolega, kampanija sloni na jezi nad dokazanim izkoriščanjem delavskega razreda. Ne rabiš biti diplomiran, da razumeš, da nekaj ni ok, ko ima šef Amazona biljone, ker ne plačuje davka, medtem ko so delavci na socialni podpori in ne upajo na skret, da si ne zjebejo norme in jih ne odpustijo.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Semafor ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

medtem ko so delavci na socialni podpori in ne upajo na skret, da si ne zjebejo norme in jih ne odpustijo.


Če ima megakorporacija dostop do zastonj delovne sile iz tujine, zakaj tega ne bi delali?

dice7 ::

Ker america first in doland?

Urbano#Desno ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Kolega, kampanija sloni na jezi nad dokazanim izkoriščanjem delavskega razreda. Ne rabiš biti diplomiran, da razumeš, da nekaj ni ok, ko ima šef Amazona biljone, ker ne plačuje davka, medtem ko so delavci na socialni podpori in ne upajo na skret, da si ne zjebejo norme in jih ne odpustijo.



Kolega ......

Tisti ki nimajo izbire kje bodo delali, obenem pa morajo ustvariti dovolj da se jim lahko izplača visoko administrativno določena minimalna plača so pač podvrženi tovrstnim pritiskom. Rešitev za to ni v tem da se zasleduje bernijeve toksične ideje, ampak je v bistveno bolj liberalnem gospodarstvu ki bo omogočil da zaposleni lažje zamenjajo delodajalca in se sami dogovorijo glede plače brez vmešavanja države katera postavlja minimalni prag produktivnost da nekdo lahko dela. Ta prag je marsikje postavljen tako visoko da so množice ali odrezane od trga dela ali pa morajo trpeti visok tempo.

Pac-Man ::

Preden kdo uleti s Comey Bad, ex NSA.

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/...

OMG! Comey had a bit of CONFIDENTIAL mislabeled!!
This is the "scandal," folks.
Nobody gets prosecuted for mishandling C, which is barely classified at all.
Nobody.

I went through all this with Hillary's "UNCLAS" emails in 2015. She had quite a bit of C in there -- which is just not a big deal, IRL.
The examples of TS+ there were, of course, a big deal, but not the C, much of which was close to FOUO in practice.

Then: Deep State Coup! Illegal FISA warrants! Obama spied on everybody wearing a MAGA hat!
Now: Memo 2 contained six words that the FBI determined in June 2017 to be classified at the “CONFIDENTIAL” level.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

xxxul ::

sej laganje pred sodiščem ni nič takega, popolnoma normalno, zakaj bi se sploh sekiral če je Obama Nixona oponašal. no, pa še malo nadgradil.

ne skrbi, zihr bo jutr spet kak "Trump naj bi xxx" članek da boš lahko impič sanju.

Poldi112 ::

Urbano#Desno je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Kolega, kampanija sloni na jezi nad dokazanim izkoriščanjem delavskega razreda. Ne rabiš biti diplomiran, da razumeš, da nekaj ni ok, ko ima šef Amazona biljone, ker ne plačuje davka, medtem ko so delavci na socialni podpori in ne upajo na skret, da si ne zjebejo norme in jih ne odpustijo.



Kolega ......

Tisti ki nimajo izbire kje bodo delali, obenem pa morajo ustvariti dovolj da se jim lahko izplača visoko administrativno določena minimalna plača so pač podvrženi tovrstnim pritiskom. Rešitev za to ni v tem da se zasleduje bernijeve toksične ideje, ampak je v bistveno bolj liberalnem gospodarstvu ki bo omogočil da zaposleni lažje zamenjajo delodajalca in se sami dogovorijo glede plače brez vmešavanja države katera postavlja minimalni prag produktivnost da nekdo lahko dela. Ta prag je marsikje postavljen tako visoko da so množice ali odrezane od trga dela ali pa morajo trpeti visok tempo.


Kolega, kaj je tako toksičnega v Bernijevih idejah? Ter kako bo še manj regulirano gospodarstvo bolje skrbelo za delavce? Imaš kakšne zgodovinske primere takih rezultatov? Ker nereguliran kapitalizem vodi v monopol in izkoriščanja delavcev. Rabiš kakšen primer?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

gruntfürmich ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Kolega, kaj je tako toksičnega v Bernijevih idejah? Ter kako bo še manj regulirano gospodarstvo bolje skrbelo za delavce? Imaš kakšne zgodovinske primere takih rezultatov? Ker nereguliran kapitalizem vodi v monopol in izkoriščanja delavcev. Rabiš kakšen primer?

izkoriščanje delavcev in monopol so dandanes na zahodu posledica regulacije gospodarstva; sicer v napačno smer ampak vseeno regulacije. ker se regulira da se konkurenco onemogoči. par nesmiselnih predpisov za izvajanje katerih rabiš armado pisarniških delavcev, kar si lahko privoščijo le največji, in wola, monopol je tu.
"Namreč, da gre ta družba počasi v norost in da je vse, kar mi gledamo,
visoko organizirana bebavost, do podrobnosti izdelana idiotija."
Psiholog HUBERT POŽARNIK, v Oni, o smiselnosti moderne družbe...

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Poldi112 ::

gruntfürmich je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Kolega, kaj je tako toksičnega v Bernijevih idejah? Ter kako bo še manj regulirano gospodarstvo bolje skrbelo za delavce? Imaš kakšne zgodovinske primere takih rezultatov? Ker nereguliran kapitalizem vodi v monopol in izkoriščanja delavcev. Rabiš kakšen primer?

izkoriščanje delavcev in monopol so dandanes na zahodu posledica regulacije gospodarstva; sicer v napačno smer ampak vseeno regulacije. ker se regulira da se konkurenco onemogoči. par nesmiselnih predpisov za izvajanje katerih rabiš armado pisarniških delavcev, kar si lahko privoščijo le največji, in wola, monopol je tu.


Daj malo razloži kako regulacija pripelje do monopola. Po možnosti s poudarkom na protimonopolni zakonodaji.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Semafor ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

gruntfürmich je izjavil:

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Kolega, kaj je tako toksičnega v Bernijevih idejah? Ter kako bo še manj regulirano gospodarstvo bolje skrbelo za delavce? Imaš kakšne zgodovinske primere takih rezultatov? Ker nereguliran kapitalizem vodi v monopol in izkoriščanja delavcev. Rabiš kakšen primer?

izkoriščanje delavcev in monopol so dandanes na zahodu posledica regulacije gospodarstva; sicer v napačno smer ampak vseeno regulacije. ker se regulira da se konkurenco onemogoči. par nesmiselnih predpisov za izvajanje katerih rabiš armado pisarniških delavcev, kar si lahko privoščijo le največji, in wola, monopol je tu.


Daj malo razloži kako regulacija pripelje do monopola. Po možnosti s poudarkom na protimonopolni zakonodaji.



Tako kot na javnih razpisih zmaga kolega od župana.
Rabiš cerfitikat, rabiš eko dovolilnico, rabiš 14 neodvisnih strokovnjakov... vse to v imenu regulacije kjer nimaš šans priti zraven.

Poldi112 ::

Kolega, to ni regulacija. To je korupcija in je nekaj čisto drugega. Razen če uspete pokazati, da je povezana z regulacijo.

Regulacija je, ko skrbiš, da imaš na trgu boj med konkurenco. Monopol je, ko dovoliš, da Amazon/Uber/... dekado delajo izgubo, da zradirajo konkurenco, nato pa kot monopolist stisnejo trg.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Poldi112 ::

Pri nas čisto lepo deluje. Pri njih morajo pa spucati korupcijo ven iz kongresa, pa bo tudi spet delovalo.

Kaj pa ti priporočaš? Tipčno desno, kar dela trump - ukinit VSO regulacijo, da bodo firme še bolj zaslužile, medtem ko bo okolje šlo v kurac? Nova zmaga, kolega:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/clim...
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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zmaugy ::

Jarno je izjavil:

jype je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Odlično, kadar je tiho in se ne kaže v javnosti.

Še vedno bolje od Bernija, ki je že po malem "Za dom spreman!". :))


V primerjavi s senilnim in pobebavljenim Donnyem je Sanders svež kot kot rosa.
Biseri...

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Jarno ::

zmaugy je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

jype je izjavil:

Jarno je izjavil:

Kako pa kaže Bidnu?
Odlično, kadar je tiho in se ne kaže v javnosti.

Še vedno bolje od Bernija, ki je že po malem "Za dom spreman!". :))


V primerjavi s senilnim in pobebavljenim Donnyem je Sanders svež kot kot rosa.


Recimo, da je Donnie passe, še vedno potem gledam Bidna, kot pa sistemska škodljivca a la Sanders in Warrenova.
Ne verjameš? Potem pa si predstavljaj, da Južni Korejci skenslajo LG, Hynix in Samsung, da bi zraslo kaj novega. Debilizmi brez primere, če si vsaj malo patriota.
Osebki, ki ZDA ne marajo preveč, pa bi jim kaj takega privoščili...
There lives a zipacna in zugrarna...

Semafor ::

Seveda. Te tvoje agencije niso nič drugega kot paraziti.

Če bi delovale ne bi čisto vsi mediji nabijali eno in isto, Google, Microsoft, Twitter ne bi brisali ljudi s svojih storitev zaradi wrong thinka, isto ne bi banke zapirale račune ljudjem ki jih mejn strim mediji okličejo za miselne zločince. Niti jim ne bi oborožena policija ob treh zjutraj razbila vrat, ker so na netu napisali vic ki ljudi tvojega kova čustveno prizadane ker je preblizu resnice.

Da bi bilo treba ukiniti financiranje medijev z davkoplačevalskim denarjem je itak dobesedno Hitler. Kdo bi potem politike pozival da morajo banke, paypall, mastercard, visa in stripe ukiniti storitve Gabu, PewTubu, Bitchutu...?

Poldi112 ::

Kolega, lepo ste opisali fašizem čez lužo, kjer regulacij praktično ni. Lahko zdaj še kaj podobnega za EU/Slovenijo?
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

gruntfürmich ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

Kolega, to ni regulacija. To je korupcija in je nekaj čisto drugega. Razen če uspete pokazati, da je povezana z regulacijo.
kdaj pa gre regulacija v korupcijo?
tako kot ti z lahkoto in solzico v očeh vedno trdiš da bo regulacija vedno le pozitivna, ter za druge zablode socializma da so vedno pozitivne, mi to z lahkoto zavračamo in postavljamo enako lahkotne argumente.
"Namreč, da gre ta družba počasi v norost in da je vse, kar mi gledamo,
visoko organizirana bebavost, do podrobnosti izdelana idiotija."
Psiholog HUBERT POŽARNIK, v Oni, o smiselnosti moderne družbe...

Poldi112 ::

Kolega, jaz nikjer ne trdim, da bo regulacija vedno le pozitivna. Medtem ko od vas v letih, ko videvam vaše prispevke, še nisem videl argumenta, tako da ni skrbi, da bi ga tokrat imeli.

Vsekakor se pa lahkotno oglašate, redno in strumno, s puhlicami neoliberalizma.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Sp3m ::

Vodilni demokratski kandidat trenutno:

As he campaigns for president, Joe Biden tells a moving but false war story

The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.

ps: Vprašnje za vse znalce?

- laže načrtno?

- samo napaka (ponovno)?

- znaki demence?

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dice7 ::

gruntfürmich je izjavil:

]kdaj pa gre regulacija v korupcijo?
tako kot ti z lahkoto in solzico v očeh vedno trdiš da bo regulacija vedno le pozitivna, ter za druge zablode socializma da so vedno pozitivne, mi to z lahkoto zavračamo in postavljamo enako lahkotne argumente.

Tovaris, regulacije se ne enacujejo s socializmom, vas stil argumentiranja je na nivoju ruskega bota

Sp3m je izjavil:

- znaki demence?

Kot vidimo pri trenutnem predsedniku to ni ovira za pridobitev naziva POTUS

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Smrekar1 ::

Sp3m je izjavil:

Vodilni demokratski kandidat trenutno:

As he campaigns for president, Joe Biden tells a moving but false war story

The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.

ps: Vprašnje za vse znalce?

- laže načrtno?

- samo napaka (ponovno)?

- znaki demence?


Kdo ve. Članek je plačljiv, zato se tu ne bom poglabljal, dokler ne obrazložiš zakaj bi bilo to važno?


Pri takem protikandidatu je namreč čisto dovolj, če je okvirno zadel stoletje.

Sp3m ::

Tole je članek glede sleepy Joe Bidena.

As he campaigns for president, Joe Biden tells a moving but false war story By Matt Viser and
Greg Jaffe
August 29 at 6:18 PM

HANOVER, N.H. — Joe Biden painted a vivid scene for the 400 people packed into a college meeting hall. A four-star general had asked the then-vice president to travel to Konar province in Afghanistan, a dangerous foray into “godforsaken country” to recognize the remarkable heroism of a Navy captain.

Some told him it was too risky, but Biden said he brushed off their concerns.

“We can lose a vice president,” he said. “We can’t lose many more of these kids. Not a joke.”

The Navy captain, Biden recalled Friday night, had rappelled down a 60-foot ravine under fire and retrieved the body of an American comrade, carrying him on his back. Now the general wanted Biden to pin a Silver Star on the American hero who, despite his bravery, felt like a failure.

“He said, ‘Sir, I don’t want the damn thing!’ ” Biden said, his jaw clenched and his voice rising to a shout. “ ‘Do not pin it on me, Sir! Please, Sir. Do not do that! He died. He died!’ ”

The room was silent.

“This is the God’s truth,” Biden had said as he told the story. “My word as a Biden.”

Except almost every detail in the story appears to be incorrect. Based on interviews with more than a dozen U.S. troops, their commanders and Biden campaign officials, it appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story of bravery, compassion and regret that never happened.

Biden visited Konar province in 2008 as a U.S. senator, not as vice president. The service member who performed the celebrated rescue that Biden described was a 20-year-old Army specialist, not a much older Navy captain. And that soldier, Kyle J. White, never had a Silver Star, or any other medal, pinned on him by Biden. At a White House ceremony six years after Biden’s visit, White stood at attention as President Barack Obama placed a Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest award for valor, around his neck.

The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.

One element of Biden’s story is rooted in an actual event: In 2011, the vice president did pin a medal on a heartbroken soldier, Army Staff Sgt. Chad Workman, who didn’t believe he deserved the award.

In a statement Thursday, Biden’s campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said Workman’s valor was “emblematic of the duty and sacrifice of the 9/11 generation of veterans.”

The campaign has not disputed any of the facts in the Post report, which was published midday Thursday.

In an interview with Washington Post opinion columnist Jonathan Capehart after the report was first published, Biden suggested he was telling Workman’s story in New Hampshire, although almost none of the details he offered matched what actually happened to Workman.

“I was making the point how courageous these people are, how incredible they are, this generation of warriors, these fallen angels we’ve lost,” he said. “I don’t know what the problem is. What is it that I said wrong?”

Biden, 76, has struggled during his presidential campaign with gaffes and misstatements that hark back to his earlier political troubles and have put a spotlight on his age. In 1987, Biden dropped out of the presidential race amid charges that he had plagiarized the speeches of a British politician and others.

One big question facing candidates and voters more than 30 years later is whether President Trump’s routine falsehoods have changed the standards by which other presidential aspirants, including Biden, should be judged. From the beginning of his presidency until the middle of last month, Trump has uttered more than 12,000 false or misleading statements, The Washington Post has found. He has continued to add to that total since then.

Biden has used war stories to celebrate military sacrifice and attack Trump’s version of patriotism, built around ferocity and firepower. The former vice president, like Trump, never served in the military. But Biden’s son Beau Biden, who died of brain cancer in 2015, deployed to Iraq as an Army lawyer in 2008, and the candidate ends almost all of his speeches with the refrain: “May God protect our troops.”

Embedded in Biden’s medal story are the touchstones of his long career: foreign policy expertise, patriotism and perseverance through grief.

Biden’s first public recounting of his trip to Konar province, made shortly after his return in early 2008, was largely true, but not nearly as emotionally fraught as the versions he would later tell on the campaign trail. In 2008, then-Sen. Biden, along with Sens. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) and John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), flew by helicopter to Forward Operating Base Naray, not far from Afghanistan’s border with Pakistan. There, they watched as Maj. Gen. David Rodriguez presented a Bronze Star for valor to Spec. Miles Foltz, who braved heavy Taliban fire to rescue a wounded soldier. Spec. Tommy Alford had been manning his machine gun atop a hill when a Taliban bullet sliced through his jaw and neck. Foltz pulled Alford behind a nearby rock, stanched his bleeding and then took over his friend’s weapon. Two soldiers were killed during the ambush, but Alford survived and even returned to the unit a few months later to finish his combat tour.

“It was pretty ballsy, what Foltz did that day,” said retired Col. Chris Kolenda, who was Foltz’s commander in Afghanistan. “It was pretty awesome. . . . He saved a lot of lives.”

For Foltz, the memory of Biden’s visit and the Bronze Star remain bittersweet.

“I wrote about it for an English class when I was going through college,” he said. “I can’t remember how I phrased it, but it’s like the medal helps hold down all the guilt for all the things I didn’t do that day.”

Biden returned home from his trip in 2008 worried that the United States was losing the war and moved by the battlefield award ceremony.

“I know it sounds a little corny,” he said in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, “but I don’t think there was a dry eye in the house.”


President Barack Obama applauds after presenting the Medal of Honor to Army Sgt. Kyle J. White during a ceremony at the White House on May 13, 2014. (Mark Wilson/Getty Images)
Biden seemed to stop telling the story until the summer of 2016, when the presidential campaign was in full swing and Trump was surging to the top of the polls. In July of that year, he told it at a World War II ceremony in Australia. In this version, Foltz, a young soldier, had been replaced by the apocryphal and much older Navy captain who in Biden’s telling “climbed down about 200 feet” into a ravine and retrieved his wounded friend who died. The Bronze Star was upgraded to a Silver Star.

This time, Biden said he was the one who pinned the medal on the officer, not the general. “Sir, with all due respect, I do not want it,” Biden recalled the officer saying.

Months later, as the angry and divisive 2016 presidential campaign kicked into high gear, Biden’s story of the medal ceremony grew more harrowing and less accurate. He told it at an October rally for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in response to comments from Trump suggesting that some troops weren’t mentally strong enough to handle the rigors of combat. “Where the hell is he from?” Biden asked of Trump that day in Florida.

This time, Biden shifted the setting from Afghanistan to Iraq. Instead of rappelling down a ravine, an Army captain pulled a dead soldier out of a burning Humvee.

“He died. He died, Mr. Vice President,” Biden recalled the officer saying. “I don’t want the medal.”

Biden jabbed at the air with his index finger and yelled, “How many nights does that kid go to sleep seeing that image in his head, dealing with it?”

The Pentagon has no record of an Army captain receiving a Silver Star in Iraq during the time period Biden describes.

Three weeks later, stumping for Jason Kander, an Afghan War veteran running for the Senate in Missouri, Biden told both the Iraq and Afghanistan versions back to back in a single speech. First it was the Navy captain who rappelled down the ravine in Konar. “He died. He died. I don’t deserve it,” Biden quoted the medal recipient as saying. Then he segued to the Army officer, the burning Humvee and Iraq. “This is the God’s truth,” Biden said. “As I approached him in a full formation . . . ‘Sir,’ he whispered to me, ‘Sir, please don’t. Please don’t pin that on me. He died, Sir. He died. I didn’t do my job. He died.’ ”

Then, on Friday, came New Hampshire. The setting was a town hall meeting about health care. Someone asked a question about mental health and Biden started talking about post-traumatic stress disorder and the heavy toll of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He pulled his daily schedule from the pocket of his blue blazer, an American flag pin affixed to its lapel. For the past 13 years, Biden’s rundown has included a daily tally of the dead and wounded from the war zones.

“I call every morning to the Defense Department — not a joke — to learn exactly how many women and men have been killed in Afghanistan or Iraq,” he told the crowd. “Nothing bothers me more than when someone says approximately 6,000 died. No, it is 6,883 as of this morning.”


Vice President Joe Biden awards a Bronze Star to Staff Sgt. Chad Workman at Forward Operating Base Airborne in Wardak province, Afghanistan, on Jan. 11, 2011. (David Lienemann/The White House)
Then Biden told the latest, and perhaps most inaccurate, version of his Afghanistan story.

“I’ve been in and out of Afghanistan and Iraq over 30 times,” he said. (His campaign later clarified that the correct number is 21.) He talked about Konar province, the Navy captain — “Navy, Navy” he repeated for emphasis — the deep ravine, the dead friend and the moment of reckoning when Biden pinned the medal on the officer’s uniform.

The version of Biden’s story that’s true — and just as heart-rending — is one he rarely tells. The setting was not Konar province, but Wardak, just southwest of Kabul. The medal recipient was Workman, 35, who had run into a burning vehicle to save his dying friend. By the time Workman had pried open the door and plunged into the flames, it was too late.

“I never pulled him out because he was melting,” Workman recalled in a phone interview earlier this week from Joint Base Lewis-McChord near Tacoma, Wash.

Workman’s company commander told him that the vice president was going to pin a Bronze Star on him for his heroism. “I tried to get out of going,” recalled Workman, who has since been promoted to first sergeant. “I didn’t want that medal.” Nevertheless on Jan. 11, 2011, a cold, gray day, Workman stood at attention as Biden pinned the medal to his chest. The moment is memorialized in a White House photo and in a 2016 interview that Biden did with National Geographic.

Here’s how Biden remembered it: “You see the look on his face — he says, ‘Sir, I don’t want it. I don’t want it. He died. He died.’ ”

Workman’s version is the same, but with one added detail. He recalled Biden meeting his gaze. Workman told the vice president that he didn’t want the medal.

“I know you don’t,” Biden replied softly.

Eight years later, Workman still remembers how Biden looked at him.

“He has that look where his eyes can see into your eyes,” Workman said. “I felt like he really understood.”

Julie Tate contributed to this report.

dice7 ::

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st...
My father is German. Right? Was German. And born in a very wonderful place in Germany, and so I have a great feeling for Germany.


Fred Trump @ Wikipedia
Frederick Christ Trump was born in the Bronx on October 11, 1905


Stanje je precej alarmantno

Sp3m ::

Aha, sedaj razumem, lahko lažeš, če Trump laže?

Kdaj se pa potem tole konča?

Bo sploh še kak kandidat sploh govoril resnico?

Sem mislil, da ste antiTrumpvci bolj resnicoljubni in bolj načelni in take zadeve obsojate, pa vidim, da ste fani whataboutisma!

dice7 ::

Vau, od kdaj pa ti nisi vec za to, da bi se izvolil se eden Trump?

Sp3m ::

dice7 je izjavil:

Vau, od kdaj pa ti nisi vec za to, da bi se izvolil se eden Trump?


Trump 2020 je pri trenutnih kandidatih in trenutnih ekonomskih rezultatih dejstvo.

bobi_palčka ::

dice7 je izjavil:

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My father is German. Right? Was German. And born in a very wonderful place in Germany, and so I have a great feeling for Germany.


Fred Trump @ Wikipedia
Frederick Christ Trump was born in the Bronx on October 11, 1905


Stanje je precej alarmantno


Frederick Trump @ Wikipedia

Zelo alarmantno, da zamenjaš starega očeta z očetom :))

...

Oziroma, kako alarmantno je, ko je Obama svoji ženi rekel "Majkl"?

Smrekar1 ::

Sp3m je izjavil:

Tole je članek glede sleepy Joe Bidena.

(članek)


Če prav razumem je vsebinsko zgodbo povedal pravilno, zmotil se je samo glede čina in tipa medalje, ki jo je pred dobrimi desetimi leti pripel na njegove prsi. Aja in zmotno je menil, da je služil v drugi branži.

Se ti spomniš kaj si jedel dne 17.8.2008 za kosilo? Je bila omaka za testenine narejena iz govejega mesa ali iz mešanice govejega in svinjskega mesa? Pazi kako odgovoriš. Če se slučajno zmotiš je to znak demence in potrebuješ zdravniško oskrbo.

Dementni dedek, ki bi ga Biden rad zamenjal, do nedavnega ni vedel, da so letala izumili šele dobrih sto let po ameriški revoluciji. Tisti je vsekakor potreben zdravniške oskrbe.

Sp3m ::

Smrekar1 je podpornik Trumpa, misli, da ima Rusija najmočnejšo vojsko in da je Biden dementen.


Zgodba je sicer pravilna, zmota je samo koga podpira, kdo ima največjo vojsko. Aja in zmotno je za koga misli, da je dementen.

Smrekar1 ::

Sp3m je izjavil:

Smrekar1 je podpornik Trumpa, misli, da ima Rusija najmočnejšo vojsko in da je Biden dementen.

Zgodba je sicer pravilna, zmota je samo koga podpira, kdo ima največjo vojsko. Aja in zmotno je za koga misli, da je dementen.


Očitno tudi ti potrebuješ zdravniško oskrbo.

Sp3m ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Sp3m je izjavil:

Smrekar1 je podpornik Trumpa, misli, da ima Rusija najmočnejšo vojsko in da je Biden dementen.

Zgodba je sicer pravilna, zmota je samo koga podpira, kdo ima največjo vojsko. Aja in zmotno je za koga misli, da je dementen.


Očitno tudi ti potrebuješ zdravniško oskrbo.


Ne, samo smešno mi je, da ko Trump naredil napako/laže, je to prelomen dogodek, ki ga je treba povsod omeniti in v vsakem MSM omeniti in narediti iz tega zgodbo.

Ko pa demokratski Biden naredi napako/laže je pa to t.i. "gaffe" in se ga omeni kot "It is just Joe and his gaffes, but Trump is a liar and a demented fool!".

Smrekar1 ::

Sp3m je izjavil:


Ne, samo smešno mi je, da ko Trump naredil napako/laže, je to prelomen dogodek, ki ga je treba povsod omeniti in v vsakem MSM omeniti in narediti iz tega zgodbo.

Ko pa demokratski Biden naredi napako/laže je pa to t.i. "gaffe" in se ga omeni kot "It is just Joe and his gaffes, but Trump is a liar and a demented fool!".


Naj se razjasnim. Če ne vidiš razlike med podrobnosti ene medalje pred desetimi leti in letališči v 18. stoletju definitivno potrebuješ zdravniško oskrbo.

dice7 ::

bobi_palčka je izjavil:

Zelo alarmantno, da zamenjaš starega očeta z očetom :))
Drzi, napredni simptomi demence

Sp3m je izjavil:

Trump 2020 je pri trenutnih kandidatih
Creppy Joe ni ravno merodostojno merilo

Sp3m je izjavil:

in trenutnih ekonomskih rezultatih dejstvo.
Trenutni ekonomski rezultati so prakticno enaki ze od l. 2012

Sp3m ::

dice7 je izjavil:

bobi_palčka je izjavil:

Zelo alarmantno, da zamenjaš starega očeta z očetom :))
Drzi, napredni simptomi demence


"poor kids were just as bright and talented as white kids"

"We believe in facts, not truth."

Biden thought the shootings happened in Houston and Michigan. (zgodili sta se v El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio)

Biden says he was vice president at the time of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.

The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.

Dokazi demence?

dice7 je izjavil:

Sp3m je izjavil:

Trump 2020 je pri trenutnih kandidatih
Creppy Joe ni ravno merodostojno merilo


Creeepy Joe je trenutno prvi na lestvicah od vseh demokratskih kandidatov, tako da je vredostojno merilo, ko bo nekdo drug na vrhu anket bo nekdo drug vredostojno merilo, trentno je to Joe Biden.

dice7 je izjavil:

Sp3m je izjavil:

in trenutnih ekonomskih rezultatih dejstvo.
Trenutni ekonomski rezultati so prakticno enaki ze od l. 2012


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dice7 ::

Sp3m je izjavil:

Creeepy Joe je trenutno prvi na lestvicah
Ankete nenadoma ne lazejo vec?

dice7 je izjavil:

https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jo...

Dow Jones 2012 - 12k - 13k

Dow Jones 2019 - 23k - 25k
Se popravljam; pod Obamo je raslo, od Trumpovih davcnih reform dalje pa stagnira

Pac-Man ::

Predsednik ZDA si je preprosto izmislil pogajanja na visokem nivoju s Kitajsko, da so se trgi malenkost popravili in na G7 ni izpadel kot putz.

Njegove sekte to ne briga.

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The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

xxxul ::

uf, zdej so že dvojne izmišljotine v igri, X si izmisli da si je Trump izmislil;

in boš spet razočaran k se bo ugotovil da anonymous aide ni čist po pravic povedu.

12c0 ::

Galileo recounts an anecdote about the debate between a Humanist and Peripatetic physicians:
 
It happened on this day that he was investigating the source and origin of the nerves, about which there exists a notorious controversy between the Galenist and Peripatetic doctors. The anatomist showed that the great trunk of nerves, leaving the brain and passing through the nape, extended on down the spine and then branched out through the whole body, and that only a single strand as fine as a thread arrived at the heart. Turning to a gentleman whom he knew to be a peripatetic philosopher, and on whose account he had been exhibiting and demonstrating everything with unusual care, he asked this man whether he was at last satisfied and convinced that the nerves originated in the brain and not in the heart. The philosopher, after considering for a while, answered: “You have made me see this matter so plainly and palpably that if Aristotle’s text were not contrary to it, stating clearly that the nerves originate in the heart, I should be forced to admit it to be true.”


Simplicio: Sir, I want you to know that this dispute as to the source of the nerves is by no means as settled and decided as perhaps some people like to think.
Sagredo: Doubtless it never will be, in the minds of such opponents. But what you say does not in the least diminish the absurdity of this Peripatetic’s reply; who, as a counter to sensible expe­rience, adduced no experiment or argument of Aristotle’s, but just the authority of his bare ipse dixit.



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When you're...stepping over a guy on the sidewalk...does it ever occur to you to think, 'Wow. Maybe our system doesn't work?'
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