Global warming

jype je 9. maj 2019 ob 02:38 izjavil:

Zmanjkalo argumentov, pa je treba "daily mail" privlečt iz zadnjične odprtine?

vostok_1 je 8. maj 2019 ob 23:20 izjavil:

Če bi poznal bogate bi vedel, da niso dovolj naivni, da bi verjeli blodnjam paranoičnih teoretikov zarote.

vostok_1 je 9. maj 2019 ob 14:34 izjavil:

ampak pomojem glede informacij ni pretirano drugače kot v vsaki drugi družbi

Leif je 8. maj 2019 ob 23:18 izjavil:

Jaz bi imel nekaj takega. Če imaš na lagerju nekaj palet vakuumsko pakiranega riža in moke + s tem kar sam pridelaš za popestritev, kokoši, kakšno kozo... lahko preživiš zelo dolgo. V primeru, da si strateško izbral lokacijo

V Novi Mehiki na 2200m visoki puščavski planoti obstaja celo mestece takih bajt

As expected, 2018 was the fourth-hottest year on record globally, and another near-record year for U.S. weather and climate disasters. All of the years on record that were hotter or more disaster-filled came in the past decade.

zmaugy je 11. maj 2019 ob 10:50 izjavil:

A to se lokacije meritev spreminjajo iz leta v leto? Ne? Še kaj ni jasno?

zmaugy je 11. maj 2019 ob 11:42 izjavil:

Ampak če primerjaš rezultate na istih merilnih mestih, je vse to irelevantno.

From: Phil Jones p.jones@uea.ac.uk
To: "Michael E. Mann" mann@virginia.edu
Subject: HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
Date: Thu Jul 8 16:30:16 2004

Mike,
Only have it in the pdf form. FYI ONLY - don't pass on. Relevant paras are the last
2 in section 4 on p13. As I said it is worded carefully due to Adrian knowing Eugenia
for years. He knows the're wrong, but he succumbed to her almost pleading with him
to tone it down as it might affect her proposals in the future !
I didn't say any of this, so be careful how you use it - if at all. Keep quiet also
that you have the pdf.
The attachment is a very good paper - I've been pushing Adrian over the last weeks
to get it submitted to JGR or J. Climate. The main results are great for CRU and also
for ERA-40. The basic message is clear - you have to put enough surface and sonde
obs into a model to produce Reanalyses. The jumps when the data input change stand
out so clearly. NCEP does many odd things also around sea ice and over snow and ice.
The other paper by MM is just garbage - as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also
losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well - frequently as I see
it.
I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep
them
out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
Cheers
Phil
Mike,
For your interest, there is an ECMWF ERA-40 Report coming out soon, which
shows that Kalnay and Cai are wrong. It isn't that strongly worded as the first author
is a personal friend of Eugenia. The result is rather hidden in the middle of the report.
It isn't peer review, but a slimmed down version will go to a journal. KC are wrong
because
the difference between NCEP and real surface temps (CRU) over eastern N. America doesn't
happen with ERA-40. ERA-40 assimilates surface temps (which NCEP didn't) and doing
this makes the agreement with CRU better. Also ERA-40's trends in the lower atmosphere
are all physically consistent where NCEP's are not - over eastern US.

I can send if you want, but it won't be out as a report for a couple of months.
Cheers
Phil

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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Bwaze6 je 12. maj 2019 ob 00:00 izjavil:

A Tale of Two Sites: Impacts of Relocating L.A.'s Weather Station

The station was moved from the roof of a two-story parking structure at the Department of Water and Power building near city center at an elevation of almost 90 meters (270 feet), to a park-like environment on the USC campus with tall shade trees and grass at an elevation of almost 60 meters (180 feet).

The National Weather Service moved the station as part of a nationwide effort to locate all official weather stations on ground-level sites in natural settings.

Ima tvoj echo chamber tudi na to odgovor pri roki, ne dvomim. Predvsem pa je vse nerelevantno, v mejah merilnih napak, neškodljivo, če ne celo dobrodošlo. Ampak še vedno pa ni segrevanja, in led se ne topi, ne?

Drugače se mi pa ne da s tabo ukvarjat.

"The move from downtown Los Angeles to USC in 1999 has caused a major hiccup in our local climate history," said Patzert. "Suddenly, Los Angeles became dryer and cooler, and we were denied a record rain year in 2004-2005. The magnitude of change reflected in our study strongly suggests this relocation will bias long-term climatic studies."

zmaugy je 12. maj 2019 ob 06:42 izjavil:

Leif je 11. maj 2019 ob 22:30 izjavil:

zmaugy je 11. maj 2019 ob 20:32 izjavil:

Trikrat ugibajmo: v sistemu Zemlja se akumulira toplota. Kako se bo sistem odzival temperaturno?

Hint: volumen atmosfere ni konstanta

Napiši kaj o tem.
Hint: saj veš, z lastnimi besedami nam razloži to in kakšen je vpliv na temperaturo.

Leif je 11. maj 2019 ob 10:00 izjavil:

Da, npr takole.

Če bi bila hišica na travniku pod drevesi, bi dobil precej drugačne meritve.

zmaugy je 12. maj 2019 ob 15:35 izjavil:

Kako si ti dober. In zakaj ravno pri absorbciji toplote zaradi toplogrednih plinov s spremembo volumna in ne na primer s spremembo temperature? Ker segrejejo se tla in se zaradi prenosa toplote segreje zrak ob tleh in tako naprej.