Tesla 3

Okapi je 21. maj 2018 ob 06:54 izjavil:

frudi je 20. maj 2018 ob 19:25 izjavil:

Price: $78,000 (without autopilot)

A to so napisali, ker je cena že tako hudo visoka? Ker zakaj bi kdo hotel tak avto brez "avtopilota"? Se pravi dejansko stane polno opremljena trojka 83.000 dolarjev, oziroma celo 86.000 dolarjev, če si pravi pripadnik kulta in doplačaš tudi za "samovoznost".

Vsa čast Tesli, če jim uspe prodat kakšnega primerek za 86k. Model 3 morda ni genialen, prodati tak avto za 86k pa to definitivno je!

Cervantes je 21. maj 2018 ob 08:12 izjavil:

Menda bo Teslo glihkar kupil Apple.
Any news on that?

To je nekaj takega, kot da bi Krka kupila premogovnik Velenje. Not gonna happen.

Tesla Model 3 Falls Short of a CR Recommendation

Our testers also found flaws--big flaws--such as long stopping distances in our emergency braking test and difficult-to-use controls.

These problems keep the Model 3 from earning a Consumer Reports recommendation.

The Tesla's stopping distance of 152 feet from 60 mph was far worse than any contemporary car we've tested and about 7 feet longer than the stopping distance of a Ford F-150 full-sized pickup.

The Model 3’s stiff ride, unsupportive rear seat and excessive wind noise at highway speeds also hurt its road-test score. In the compact luxury sedan class, most competitors deliver a more comfortable ride and rear seat.

Edmunds Model 3 Long-Term Road Test, April Update

Where we drove our long-term 2017 Tesla Model 3 in April is a bit less relevant than what happened while we were driving it. We did local commuting and a few freeway journeys, sure, but everywhere we went the car was fraught with problems. Sixteen weeks into ownership, we've had so many issues with our Model 3 that we started a shared Google Doc to catalog various warning messages, necessary screen resets and general failures.

Forget that this is a "cutting-edge" EV with a cult following. That's irrelevant if Tesla wants to be anything more than a footnote in automotive history. Our Model 3 cost us $56,000, and by that standard alone, the ownership experience so far has been unacceptable. But this is no ordinary $56K car. We put down a $1,000 deposit to get on a two-year waiting list for this car and it's falling apart.

Early adopters who could spend six figures on a car such as the Model S might've given Tesla a bit of extra leeway. Maybe they figure it's a small price to pay for such a technologically advanced car. Maybe it's a sacrifice they're willing to make to avoid using fossil fuels and get free access to the carpool lane. This far into its run, though, and with a car intended for mass appeal, Tesla should have the bugs worked out. It clearly doesn't.

Celoten spisek in opis vseh težav, ki so jih doživeli, je predolg, da bi ga sploh lepil sem :S. Se pa splača prebrati celoten članek. Je naštetih celo nekaj pozitivnih stvari o avtu :)

Glede težav bomo še videli. Z večanjem proizvodnje bo tudi vedno več zahtevnih kupcev dobilo m3. Takrat se bo tudi videlo, če so tudi servise kaj ojačal.

Kakorkoli, ogromno prihrani na marketingu.
Mindshare v družbeni zavesti pridobiš tako, da si ves čas prisoten na prvih straneh medijev. Ni važno, ali s pozitivnimi ali z negativnimi novicami. Žalostno dejstvo je le, da tja prej prideš s slabimi novicami.

Saj nisem rekel, da je edini model 3 s tezavami. Pravim samo, da je to en sam avto, ki je bil opisan. Je se polno drugih. Eni s tezavami, drugi najbrz ne. Dokler avto kupujejo entuziasti in hardcore fani, so take tezave irrelevant in jih je brez veze omenjati, ce niso resnicno kaksna pomembna zadeva. Za vsak panel gap, ki ga nekdo najde, je pa brez veze zgubljati cas.

Posebej pameten tip ne bi obljubljal 10x boljše in nato naredil 10x slabše :P

@BW: cel point Modela 3 naj bi bil, da to ni samo avto za entuziaste in fanboye, ampak za mase navadnih ljudi. Le-te bo težje prepričat, da ni nič takega, če moraš tu in tam zjutraj resetirat avto, preden sploh lahko normalno odpelješ naraščaj v šolo in sebe v službo :)

Nekaj vec informacij o dogodku https://electrek.co/2018/05/25/tesla-mo...

Tip je vozil po Grciji v Modelu 3 in avtopilot naj bi sam od sebe zavil v locilno pregrado pri odcepu. Vse skupaj je vsaj mal cudno in ce je res to kar pravi mozakar, je to prvic, da je avtopilot sam od sebe zavil. Sem pa zasledil do sedaj najbolj bizarno obrambo Tesla fanov: 'ce hoces, da AP varno dela, moras met internetno povezavo'. :D

You You Xue je včeraj obljubil podrobnejšo izjavo o nesreči, danes jo je tudi objavil:

Statement
Re: Model 3 crash on Autopilot

Statement regarding collision
26 May 2018
FLORINA, GREECE
Thank you everyone for your kind wishes and messages of support following the collision late yesterday night. This is an absolutely devastating loss for me and brings a great journey to a sudden end.

I was driving southbound on highway E65 near the city of Florina, Greece. I was headed towards Kozani, Greece, where I planned to charge and spend the night. At this time, I was not tired after having 8 hours of sleep the previous night. I engaged Autopilot upon entering the highway after crossing the border between Macedonia (FYROM) and Greece. My Autopilot maximum speed was set at approximately 120 km/h, the speed limit for this highway. The highway was well-marked, well-maintained, and well-lit. The conditions were dry, and there was no traffic around me. The highway was two lanes in each direction, separated by a concrete median. The highway in my direction of travel divided at a fork, with the #2 right lane changing into the exit lane, and the #1 left lane remaining the lane for thru traffic. I was travelling in the #1 lane.

My left hand was grasping the bottom of the steering wheel during the drive, my right hand was resting on my lap. The vehicle showed no signs of difficulty following the road up until this fork. As the gore point began, approximately 8m before the crash barrier and end of the fork, my Model 3 veered suddenly and with great force to the right. I was taking a glance at the navigation on my phone, and was not paying full attention to the road. I was startled by the sudden change in direction of the car, and I attempted to apply additional grip onto the steering wheel in an attempt to correct the steering. This input was too late and although I was only a few inches from clearing the crash barrier, the front left of the vehicle near the wheel well crashed into the right edge of the barrier, resulting in severe damage.

I was not harmed in the collision, and no medical attention has been sought. I was wearing my seatbelt before and during the collision. None of the airbags deployed.

My Model 3 is not drivable as the front left wheel is completely shattered, and the axle is out of alignment. The damage is severe on the left of the front bumper, running to the front lip of the driver’s door, and is moderately severe from there to the left of the back bumper. The vehicle has been towed to a shop, and at 09:00 today, I will accompany the vehicle on a tow truck to Thessaloniki. I am towing the car there under recommendation from locals as more resources are available there, including resources to repatriate the vehicle back to the United States. I will make a decision soon as to whether or not it makes sense to bring this car back to the United States in an attempt to fix it, as the cost to repair the vehicle may substantially exceed its value after repair or salvage value.

Tesla states in an on-screen warning that both hands should be on the wheel when Autopilot is activated. Furthermore, Tesla states that drivers should be paying attention and monitoring the performance of Autopilot at all times. It is likely true that if all drivers obeyed the warnings surrounding this software, that most of the collisions we hear about in the press would never happen. Autopilot has limitations that currently can only be overcome through human intervention. For example, it cannot detect stationary objects, which explains collisions where Model S has rear-ended stationary vehicles parked on the side of the road.

By looking at my navigation and by not having both hands on the wheel, I was not paying full attention to the road while the vehicle was in Autopilot and was not following Tesla’s directions in regards to the correct use of the software. I want to make it clear that I take responsibility in regards to my actions. With that being said, I do not believe that there are many Tesla owners who, when using Autopilot, always keep both hands on the wheel and provide their undivided attention to monitoring the road and the software. This collision was directly caused by the Autopilot software seriously malfunctioning and misinterpreting the road. This collision could have happened to anyone who does not expect a car travelling at a fast speed in a straight line to suddenly and without warning, veer off course. After tens of thousands of kilometres worth of Autopilot driving without major incidents, I have learned to trust the software. Autopilot provides users with a strong sense of security and reliability as it takes you to your destination and navigates traffic on your behalf. Clearly, I had become too trusting of the software.

Autopilot is marketed as a driver assistance feature that reduces stress and improves safety. However, the vigilance required to use the software, such as keeping both hands on the wheel and constantly monitoring the system for malfunctions or abnormal behaviour, arguably requires significantly more attention than just driving the vehicle normally without use of Autopilot. Furthermore, I believe that if Autopilot even has the small potential of misreading a clearly marked gore point, and has the potential to drive into a gore point and crash into a barrier, it should not be tested in beta, on the open road, and by normal consumers. My experience is not unique as many drivers have reported similar behaviour from Autopilot, and a fatal crash involving Autopilot on a Model X may have been caused by a disturbingly similar malfunction.

Many Tesla fans will likely dismiss this as fully my fault, but I implore those who believe so to take a full step back and put themselves in my shoes, as a driver who had used this amazing software for so long, and who could not have anticipated such a sudden and violent jerk of the wheel to one direction while travelling at a fast speed. I hope that my fellow owners will be less dismissive of various incidents regarding Autopilot, and understand that the general public views these severe collisions differently from the owner community. Tesla is moving quickly into the mass market, and potential customers in that segment aren’t going to ask, “why were both of his hands not on the wheel while the car was in Autopilot?”, rather, they are going to ask “why did the car swerve into the gore point without warning?”. The autonomous driving movement as well as the Tesla community can only get stronger when we tackle these questions and resolve the issues behind them.

I love my Teslas and I have owned a Tesla since 2014. I am upset with myself for being part of the growing list of individuals who have been involved in collisions while their Tesla was on Autopilot. I strongly believe in the capability of self-driving vehicles to not only eliminate all collisions on the road but to revolutionise our society. However, malfunctions like this greatly reduce the public’s confidence in a technology that should indeed be tested and rolled out to the public as soon as it is safe for use. I do not want to cause Tesla damage to its brand or image as I wholly support its mission and I am a big supporter. I only hope that Tesla will investigate this incident to determine what went wrong with the software, and make improvements that will enhance other people’s experiences with the car.

I am very grateful to be alive after what could have easily been a fatal collision. This incident was not more severe thanks to an excellent crash barrier on the Greek highway. I want to thank everyone again for your messages of support. I am honoured to have had this opportunity to spread the EV movement not only around my country but around the world. In closing, I want to address some of my critics who have used this collision to laugh at me or to otherwise make fun of this incident. On this road trip, there have indeed been crazy posts where I push the limit of my car and I have only done these things to share my excitement about my Model 3 with others. Please understand that there was nothing out of the ordinary occurring before this collision. I was not sleeping at the wheel, I was not tired, I was not eating at the wheel (which by the way, I have not done before), no videos were being filmed - the vehicle was being operated normally. I am truly sorry and deeply regret that some of my actions have caused a bad taste in people’s mouths, I ask those people to judge my road trip thus far as a whole and not by my craziest or worst moments. I have met with over 8000 people on the road in three continents and 25 countries, and have demonstrated that not only is it possible to drive an EV across the world, it is absolutely exhilarating and brings along great adventure along the way. I have also seen the potential and power of the EV owners community, which when leveraged, can make a great difference in our world. I ask those who disapprove of my actions to reconsider their stance, and I want to see what positive things can come of this collision.

What happens next on this road trip is uncertain. I will keep everyone posted.

še link na FB objavo: https://www.facebook.com/tsla3/posts/94...

Bo W1 odstopil svojega tako, da recimo 2 leti!

prihaja nov mesec in se bi počasi spet lahko poročalo o novih številkah :D

Za maj so naracunali 6250 trojk.

Baje so proizvodni stroški za M3 28.000$
18k deli in 10k delo (od tega 7.200$ za 75kWh baterijo) To je seveda, če bi jih naredili 10k na teden.

Je pa zanimivo, da imajo samo 2.8% (namesto 8%) kobalta na katodah...

A sedaj jih furajo že v kanado ali ne? kako kaže na evropo in warpijevo M3 (PS, a je banan ali ni plačal interneta?)

Truga je 13. maj 2018 ob 06:42 izjavil:

Ne glede na to kaj pravijo pri tesli, verjetno je tole straight up protizakonito v EU. Ne vem kok se spomnete, ampak ko so se veliki (predvsem mikrosoft) probal it "licence za uporabo ne smes prodajat" so se jim EU ustanove usrale na glavo, in zdaj lahko rabljene windows10 pro kupis lepo na ebay.de za izpod 10e :)

Avto za vec 10k eur je se precej bolj zapletena zadeva kot nek cheapo software. Ce tesla oglasuje superchargerje, pol pa kupis 2nd hand avto in zadeva ne deluje, ker je prejsnji user zamenjal tepih pod sovoznikovim zicom brez vednosti tesle, bojo meli se veliko sranje.

Lahko ja. Ampak si premalo pismen, da bi ugotovil, zakaj je temu tako. Licenco lahko prodaš naprej, ampak le v isti količini in v paketu. Na ebayu lahko zakonito kupiš licenco za Win10 za 3 eur in to le zato, ker ni na kupcu, da ugotavlja -niti nima možnosti- v kakšni količini je bila licenca zakupljena in nato prodana naprej.

borisk je 15. jun 2018 ob 11:58 izjavil:

A sedaj jih furajo že v kanado ali ne? kako kaže na evropo in warpijevo M3 (PS, a je banan ali ni plačal interneta?)

M3 še za večino/vso EU ni homologiran (najbrž težave, ker ima števec hitrosti samo na centralni konzoli, ne pa pred voznikom). Furajo jih na Norveško pa Kanado, ker nočejo preseči 200k v USA. Trenutno izgleda, kot da nabirajo zaloge, da bodo potem v Q3 vse prodali in bo Elon trdil, da je bil "pozitiven v Q3", vse to na račun katastrofalne Q1 in Q2.

prvi twingo tudi ne. pa C4.

Saj noben avto, ki je delan za ameriski trg, ni homologiran v EU.

W1 je posrkalo ... bržkone info s konca maja, da bo Model 3 prišel v Evropo šele z 2019. Kar mislim, da je bilo kar spregledano oz. ni bilo nič bombastičnih naslovnic avto novinarjev. Škoda za tisto stavo ;-) Kolega je pred meseci dokončno skenslal rezervacijo, vzel na firmo Toyoto Avensis, teslo pa bo kupil ko bo vsaj 2 leti naprodaj v Evropi (torej 2022?).

Tesla has delayed the rollout of Tesla Model 3 vehicles in 2019, CEO Elon Musk has revealed.

Launches for the left-hand drive Model 3 variants in Asia and Europe are now tipped for the first half of 2019, several months later than the original 2018 release target.

Those living in the UK or other countries where the steering wheel is located on the right side will have to wait a bit longer. Musk says the Model 3 will probably not arrive until the middle of 2019.

"Model 3 was designed for min engineering & tooling change for RHD. Note left/right symmetry. LHD for Europe & Asia first half of next year. RHD probably middle of next year," Musk confirmed in a tweet.

Da Tesla ne prebije 200k prodanih avtov jih na polno furajo v Kanado, kar je na koncu tudi prav za pravo Muskovo domovino. A

freezby je 16. jun 2018 ob 09:53 izjavil:

W1 je posrkalo ... bržkone info s konca maja, da bo Model 3 prišel v Evropo šele z 2019. Kar mislim, da je bilo kar spregledano oz. ni bilo nič bombastičnih naslovnic avto novinarjev. Škoda za tisto stavo ;-) Kolega je pred meseci dokončno skenslal rezervacijo, vzel na firmo Toyoto Avensis, teslo pa bo kupil ko bo vsaj 2 leti naprodaj v Evropi (torej 2022?).

Tesla has delayed the rollout of Tesla Model 3 vehicles in 2019, CEO Elon Musk has revealed.

Launches for the left-hand drive Model 3 variants in Asia and Europe are now tipped for the first half of 2019, several months later than the original 2018 release target.

Those living in the UK or other countries where the steering wheel is located on the right side will have to wait a bit longer. Musk says the Model 3 will probably not arrive until the middle of 2019.

"Model 3 was designed for min engineering & tooling change for RHD. Note left/right symmetry. LHD for Europe & Asia first half of next year. RHD probably middle of next year," Musk confirmed in a tweet.

Da Tesla ne prebije 200k prodanih avtov jih na polno furajo v Kanado, kar je na koncu tudi prav za pravo Muskovo domovino(edit: ki je južno afriška r.). A

Težko se je soočit z slo-tech inteligenzzio po vseh žaljivkah, ki jih je konstantno serviral. Imposibruu se je že ničkolikokrat pokazal, da je preprosto res nemogoče it čez vso logiko. (četudi je meni to vedno bil le PR, kjer se preprosto vse napihne za 100%, samo potem nas se Warpi napsihiral, da je to itak vse res in smo mi debili)
Sej nihče ni nikoli dvomil v Muskovo genialnost, samo to ni na inžinerkem nivoju, temveč na poslovnem nivoju. Tip zna prodat vse, četudi je neuporabno, ali nemogoče za narest(v nekem vsaj minimalno realnem ekonomskem smislu). Še dobro, da se je najbolj upičil v dve uporabni stvari.

Sveže številke od BI

Če te številke držijo, je Tesla proizvedla ~1800 Model 3 na teden v Q2. Cilj je bil ~5000.

frudi je 19. jun 2018 ob 22:31 izjavil:

Tako se v 21. stoletju sestavlja $78k vredne high-tech avtomobile. V šotoru na parkirišču za fabriko.

Saj ne morem verjet. To pa so partizani v pravem pomenu beseede.

Mater ste patetični :) En čudn video, ki kaže da ljudje delajo... Vi pa sklepate kar pač hočete sklepat,... Če bi dvignil rit iz svojega zamaščenega fotelja bi videl da se tudi SLO industriji dogaja marsikaj neudobnega.

Kaj pa je narobe s šotorom oz. to je bolj montažna hala. Važno da proizvajajo in generirajo prihodek?, cash flow?, izgubo?...me zanima kdaj bo po prvem m3p awd modelu prisel na trg bmw serija 3 v full električni performance awd verziji

Pa saj šele sestavljajo linijo. Mogoče bodo celo luči namestili.