Konflikt v Siriji

Vzhodni Damask



Kolikor sem razumel, so v resolucijo VS OZN zapisali, da premirje ne velja za boj proti terorističnim skupinam. S tem so Turčiji dali proste roke v Afrinu, posledično pa tudi Assadu vsepovsod. Jeba, anede.

Afrin offensive: 36 pro-Syrian government soldiers 'killed in Turkish air strike

'Sirski uporniki':
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr...

On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead with the trial would have been an "affront to justice" when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing "extensive support" to the armed Syrian opposition.

That didn't only include the "non-lethal assistance" boasted of by the government (including body armour and military vehicles), but training, logistical support and the secret supply of "arms on a massive scale". Reports were cited that MI6 had cooperated with the CIA on a "rat line" of arms transfers from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels in 2012 after the fall of the Gaddafi regime.

Mr.B je 5. mar 2018 ob 07:57 izjavil:

To je bil spontani upor z orozjem.

"... borcev za demokracijo"
si pozabil zapisat.

EDIT:
The Guardian je še pod nivojem RT!
(ekskuzivno za smrekco, pacota, samija in e12345... in druge amerotrolčke)

Samuel je 5. mar 2018 ob 14:49 izjavil:

Ja, in Rusotrolčki veste, da je Assad pred tem puščal iz zaporov islamiste ter postal center za prevoz njih v Irak. Pa?

V Angliji so ravno en process skenslail proti teroroistom. No bivše obrtoženih terorostov, ko so ugotovili da so Angleži in njihove agencije dodatno finanicarle te terorosite in jih tudi šolale. Sah pa se res ne spodobi, da bi javnost izvedela da so se borijo za teroroiste, ki se radi vozijo po nagleskih civilistih . No v angliji ne v vojnih območjih.
No bodo našli že kaj drugega, morda jih bodo poslali v Guam.

How to create a terrorist.

In late 2013, I interviewed a former senior researcher at the Home Office who revealed that Husain's The Islamist was "effectively ghostwritten in Whitehall".

The official told me that in 2006, he was informed by a government colleague "with close ties" to Jack Straw and Gordon Brown that "the draft was written by Ed but then 'peppered' by government input". The civil servant told him "he had seen 'at least five drafts of the book, and the last one was dramatically different from the first.'"

The draft had, the source said, been manipulated in an explicitly political, pro-government manner. The committee that had input into Ed Husain's manuscript prior to its official publication included senior government officials from No. 10 Downing Street, the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre, the intelligence services, Foreign & Commonwealth Office and the Home Office

Se en... no ne edini...

The court heard that Gildo had sought the help of the Swedish secret service, Sapo, when he wanted to return to his home country.

It is not the first time a British prosecution relating to allegations of Syrian terrorism has collapsed. Last October Moazzem Begg was released after "new material" was said to have emerged.

The attorney general was consulted about Monday's decision. Karmy-Jones told the court in pre-trial hearings that Gildo had worked with Jabhat al-Nusra, a "proscribed group considered to be al-Qaida in Syria". He was photographed standing over dead bodies with his finger pointing to the sky.

Pocasi bo ta mirna ustaja zatiranega naroda dobila malo rdecice. Ni cudno, da vecino teroristov usmrtijo na mestu, res nebi rad v casopisu razlagal, so uspeli leteti izpod radarja...
Lah se kaj najdem..

Fritz, ne vem, kaj tebe mede, ampak otroci pač ne morejo biti teroristi in napadi na civilne cilje v vzhodnem Damasku ter Afrinu, so zločin. Assad je zločinec, ki bi že pristal na mednarodnem sodišču, če ga ne bi ščitila Rusija. Isto velja za Erdogana, če bo mesto zravnal z zemljo, s tem, da njega Rusija ne bo ščitila :9

MadMicka je 5. mar 2018 ob 18:15 izjavil:

Fritz, ne vem, kaj tebe mede, ampak otroci pač ne morejo biti teroristi in napadi na civilne cilje v vzhodnem Damasku ter Afrinu, so zločin. Assad je zločinec, ki bi že pristal na mednarodnem sodišču, če ga ne bi ščitila Rusija. Isto velja za Erdogana, če bo mesto zravnal z zemljo, s tem, da njega Rusija ne bo ščitila :9

Ne vem kaj tebe mede, Ahrar al Sham, Jaish al Islam & Co. so za vlado v Damasku teroristi, tako kot npr. Hezbolah za ZDA in Izrael.

Otroci seveda niso teroristi. Tudi tisti iz Rake ali Mosula niso bili. A ko islamistične teroristične skupine iz nekega področja naredijo svoje oporišče, so tudi odgovorne za civiliste na tem področju. Bilo je ničkoliko ponudb, da se civilisti evakuirajo a so jim očitno bolj pomembni medijsko dobro prezentirani mrtvi otroci kot medijsko nepokriti živi otroci.

So pa otroci umirali tudi tedaj, ko so tile islamistični pacienti z minometi in IRAM-i nažigali po Damasku a tisti otroci za zahodne medije niso dovolj fotogenični.

Bojišče ni prostor za civiliste. Če civilistov kurdski borci ne bodo spravili iz Afrina (mislim na mesto) in se bodo tam vkopali, bodo Turki podrli celo mesto.

Zadnja:


Zdi se mi, da so islamisti sedaj res v kur.u (glej sliko)

Baje, da zaradi zmanjšanja žrtev med civilisti, ki se čez noč umaknejo v zaklonišča.

Je še kar nekaj bolj redko poseljenega terena. Ko obramba enkrat kolapsira, jo je težko vzpostaviti nazaj in potem se tudi naseljena področja počistijo.

Fritz, kako to misliš, "Islamisti so v kurcu"? Sirijske sunite, ki jih podpira Turčija, tolčejo sirijski šiiti, ki jih podpira Iran. A eni so islamisti, drugi pa niso? LOL

MadMicka je 5. mar 2018 ob 21:19 izjavil:

Fritz, kako to misliš, "Islamisti so v kurcu"? Sirijske sunite, ki jih podpira Turčija, tolčejo sirijski šiiti, ki jih podpira Iran. A eni so islamisti, drugi pa niso? LOL

LOL? Malce se poduči o etnični sestavi SAA in ljudstva na ozemljih pod vladno kontrolo ter ravnanju SAA s civilisti in boš tedaj lahko nehal prodajat ta konflikt kot boj med šiiti in suniti. Režim v Damasku ni nobena demokracija a je najmanj slaba rešitev izmed kopice slabih.

Radikalni islamizem je drugo ime za sunitske vahabitske in salafistične ločine, ki so za kak odtenek manj radikalne od Islamske države. Islamska republika Iran je sicer teokracija a, za bližnjevzhodne razmere, dokaj normalna in družbeno razvita država, v kateri normalno živijo tudi kristjani in judje.

Drugače pa sunitska Turčija, podprta s sunitskimi islamisti, napada socialistične Kurde, ki so v Siriji večinoma iz sunitskega backgrounda. Tiste islamistične tolpe bi brez Turčije razpadle v nekaj dneh, zato je edino prav govoriti o tem kot o delovanju Turčije ob podpori islamističnih skupin in ne obratno. Glavna igra se odvija med državami, tako na regionalni kot na globalni ravni.

joze67 je 6. mar 2018 ob 05:16 izjavil:

Don't bother. Vsak problem ima enostavno, lahko razumljivo všečno razlago. Da je napačna, je samo manjša hiba. V konkretnem primeru so na eni strani sile sekularne države, na drugi pa niso ravno domorodci (te označujemo s "civilisti"). Sliši se pa dobro in razumljivo.

Po dolgem času, ena dobra interpretacija.

Tu je problem vira :

These claims stem from a January 2014 article published by the state-owned newspaper of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), the National, which claimed that

Smrekar1 je 6. mar 2018 ob 13:03 izjavil:

Fritz je 6. mar 2018 ob 12:33 izjavil:

O Assadu in 'njegovem ustvarjanju IS':

https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/ar...

Veš kje zadeva izgubi kredibilnost?

Tule.
First, while Assad did release Islamist prisoners in the early weeks and months of the uprising as part of a general amnesty

Cvetke se nadaljujejo tudi kasneje:
But why did Assad release many Islamist prisoners, rather than only secular pro-democracy activists?
The Syrian opposition, largely Islamist as it was, was therefore demanding the release of not just secular but also Islamist prisoners.

In tako dalje in tako naprej. ISIS sta ustvarila Assad in Saddam, nihče drug. Ostalo je samo racionalizacija zakaj sta ga ustvarila. Enim se očitno ustvarjanje tvorb kot je ISIS ne zdi sporno, če jih ustvarjajo pravi ali s pravim razlogom. Ti isti pacienti potem obtožujete ZDA, da so ustvarile ISIS, za kar po vaše ni nobenega izgovora. Heh.

Dobr jih je financiral, misli ta Asad.

ne gre s fakti pri nekaterih, ali je troll, in je škoda napora, ali je pa confirmation bias tako globoko zapečen, lahko mu Al Bagdadi osebno pride na dom povedat kam pes taco moli, ko je prepričanost v pravilnost pogleda na svet enkrat dovolj močna, ga ni fakta, da to omaje, če je fakt sam po sebi neovrgljiv, se pa mentalne konstrukcije napletejo, masa eksperimentov v psihologiji dokazuje kako malo pri prepričanih štejejo fakti.

Smrekar1 je 7. mar 2018 ob 08:10 izjavil:

Fritz je 6. mar 2018 ob 20:23 izjavil:

Bom še enkrat navedel del članka iz Guardiana, za tiste bolj počasne...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr...

To ni članek, temveč kolumna. Če mi ne verjameš poglej ali slučajno pod imenom avtorje piše "opinion", tako so označene kolumne. Veš, kolumne po svoji definiciji niso nekaj, kar lahko citiraš kot dejstva. Več sreče prihodnjič.

Ok, ko ne potrjuje tvoje ideje, se sklicuješ na "opinion" in ne desjtov.
No daj podaj dejstva.

Kaj dajete te članke iz medijev, ki so v lasti zionistov, no... ne ga srat.

Jarno je 7. mar 2018 ob 10:51 izjavil:

On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

Priceless. Zgolj mnenje? Dajte no...

Podpiral je al-Nusro. Al-Nusra je v vojni z ISIS. Če na osnovi tega trdiš, da je VB podpirala ISIS tudi Iran podpira ISIS, saj podpira Assada.

Neprecenljivo, da.

Rusiji se sicer zdi podpiranje terorizma zelo dobro in pravilno, pod pogojem, da se podpira njihove teroriste.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/27/midd...

Pričakujem val zgražanja. Ali pa tudi ne, menda Rusija dela vedno vse lepo in v redu in ostali so fašisti.


Provladne demonstracije v Moskvi, 2014

ADIJOOO1 je 7. mar 2018 ob 11:10 izjavil:

Al nusra in Isis so teroristi nima veze ali se razumejo ali ne so sovražniki sirije.

Hezbolah je očitno v redu. Zanimivo.

Dober terorist ne obstaja so samo slabi.

Razen če je na ruski strani. Tisto niso teroristi, temveč borci za svobodo.


Morebitne podobnosti med stanjem v Rusiji, profesionalnimi teroristi v službi Rusije in NSADP niso zgolj naključne.

Končni rezultat bo verjetno enak.

ADIJOOO1 je 7. mar 2018 ob 11:19 izjavil:

Smrekar1 kaj bi zdaj rad povedal,d a salutirajo kot so včasih Rimljani ?

Ne, temveč da kopirajo dogajanje v Nemčiji izpred 80 let.

Tokrat je civilizirani svet k sreči pametnejši, na Sudetijo (Krim) smo se ostro odzvali in s tem morda preprečili marsikaj hujšega.

ADIJOOO1 je 7. mar 2018 ob 11:25 izjavil:

Krim je ustvrjen konflikt z strani Američanov.

Jup. Zli agenti CIE so infilitrirali Kremelj in ukazali okupacijo Krima v nasprotju z željami Kremlja. Zelo kredibilno Adijo, zelo kredibilno.

Na kratko:
Whataboutism @ Wikipedia

Kolonializem po russky. Počnejo vse, česar se obtožuje ZDA. Aha, pa Assad je malenkost sociopata.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/worl...

Russia’s Greatest Problem in Syria: Its Ally, President Assad

Sitting down with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria late last year, a senior Kremlin envoy described the benefits to come as Moscow shepherded the Syrian conflict toward a political settlement, particularly in rebuilding the war-ravaged country.

But Mr. Assad cut the Russian off, asking why, with the Syrian government so close to victory, a political solution was necessary at all, according to a senior Arab diplomat who was briefed on the meeting.

...

While Mr. Putin’s military intervention established the Kremlin as a major player in the Middle East for the first time in decades, extricating Russia from Syria is proving far more difficult than he envisaged.

The problem is that Moscow has effectively tied its fortunes to those of Mr. Assad, with limited room to maneuver.

Mr. Putin can neither withdraw nor push real political change in Syria without risking the collapse of the Assad government, which would jeopardize both the effort to diminish American influence in the region and Mr. Putin’s own prestige. Mr. Assad, well aware of his leverage, resists Russian attempts toward compromise with the Syrian opposition.

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The differences with Damascus were starkly evident at a Middle East conclave in Moscow in late February.

Sergey V. Lavrov, the foreign minister, opened a two-day meeting at the Valdai Discussion Club, perhaps Russia’s most prestigious international foreign policy forum, with a rosy assessment of the Russian-led effort to unite the fractious Syrian parties in negotiations to end the war. The Syrian government expressed zero interest.

In a speech, one of Mr. Assad’s closest advisers, Bouthaina Shaaban, omitted all mention of a negotiated settlement. Instead, she said repeatedly that Damascus would soon declare a “final victory” that she said had been delayed by American and Turkish aid to the opposition.

Russia expressed overt frustration. Even the Valdai position paper put out beforehand chided the Syrian position, saying that “part of the government elite may have greater hopes for military victory than the dividends that negotiations would eventually pay.”

“This military victory is an illusion; you cannot win this battle,” said Vitaly V. Naumkin, the director of the Institute of Oriental Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences and a trusted Russian government adviser on Middle East matters.

In Moscow, Middle East experts and military analysts noted that divisions within the Russian government, particularly within the Ministry of Defense, contribute to the gap between Russia and Syria.

A dovish faction wants to pocket the military’s enhanced prestige and get out, seeing the defeat of the Islamic State militant group last year as a missed exit. The more hawkish sorts see advantages for Russia in Syria’s remaining an open wound.

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Russia is also wrestling to contain differences with Iran and Turkey.

Strategically, Moscow and Tehran see eye to eye in terms of preserving the existing Syrian government. They maintain a symbiotic military relationship as well, with Russia owning the skies while Iran fields around 60,000 fighters who form the spine of the regime’s ground forces.

Yet cracks are appearing, as the reconstruction era beckons somewhere on the horizon.

...

Iran thought it had locked up significant projects with a series of memorandums signed in early 2017. But no firm contracts materialized,

...

Dmitri O. Rogozin, a deputy Russian prime minister, clawed some of them back during a December visit, according to the senior Arab diplomat, who would speak only anonymously, following diplomatic protocol. Publicly, Mr. Rogozin announced that Russia had won exclusive control over the oil sector, which had previously been developed by Western firms.

...

Rahim Safavi, a senior adviser to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran said recently that Syria could repay the costs incurred by Iran through cooperation in its oil, gas and phosphate sectors, the Iranian news agency ISNA reported.

Yet the Russian envoy who attended the meeting with Mr. Assad, Mr. Rogozin, also said that the Russian people expected some return for their sacrifices and called Syria “an infinitely rich country.”

Despite their demands, however, neither Russia nor Iran can afford rebuilding costs that Syria has estimated at more than $200 billion. Instead, both seem to want to act as agents for private firms or other countries.

Most Arab and Western players have hinged any investment on political reconciliation. China, too, is holding back.

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Ultimately, analysts say, the Kremlin will have to deal with Washington, whose coalition forces control about one-third of the country, including most of the oil wealth. Many experts believe that some form of Russian-American dialogue that ropes in the rest of the outside players is the only hope to end the conflict.