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Pac-Man ::

Ker civilistom se res mudi v roke režima. Sploh po 7ih letih upora.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Ker civilistom se res mudi v roke režima. Sploh po 7ih letih upora.


Hm, kaj ko bi se ti držal tistega kar razumeš.
Ker kot kaže :
1. Te civiliste noben noče
2. Te civilisti urijo svoje otroke za boj
3. Te civiliste uporniki streljajo, če hočejo zapustiti ...

No kateri tvit ti bo bolj odgovarjal v tvoj raumski okvir, preden boš dojel da je potrebno kdaj tudi ne samo twixic medije brati. Te so se velikokrat izkazali za zelo verodostojne. Ti bi to iz ruskih že mogel vedeti.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Mr.B ::

FAke news, nje
More than a dozen fighters and their families evacuated from Eastern Ghouta and brought to Idlib.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Ker civilistom se res mudi v roke režima. Sploh po 7ih letih upora.


Večina civilistov na od islamistov zasedenih območjih nima težav z režimom in tam ostanejo tudi po prevzemu območij s strani režima. Poleg tega jih islamisti uporabljajo kot živi ščit in poceni suženjsko delovno silo. Ko bodo prišli zeleni avtobusi, ne bodo v njih sedeli številčni civilisti iz Ghoute temveč islamisti in njih družine.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/syr...
https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...

Ghafour, a 43-year-old teacher, tells The Independent he just wants to get out of what the UN has dubbed ‘hell on Earth’. But at a checkpoint, a rebel commander made clear he wouldn't be allowed to go: ‘He shouted at me and said you should stay here and support our fight against the regime’
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“Our neighbourhood has been shelled once or twice a week by opposition militants since last year, but since last week the shelling has intensified and is happening every day,” she says. She and her friends have been stranded in their houses for a week and cannot even go out to buy food. The army, and local young men willing to take the risk, have been supplying them.

“People are being killed every day in our neighbourhood,” Rania says. “Yesterday, a shell hit the balcony of our neighbour’s house and killed his daughter who was a university student.”

There are similar incidents every day. One house near to Rania’s was hit by a rocket and a mother and her three-year-old child were killed.

As a result of this, Rania says that people in her district speak about “what is happening in Ghouta in a very negative way”. This means they are all in favour of the use of maximum force against it.

Drugače pa povzdigovanje glasu v drugih BV režimih tudi sprejemajo z 'rožicami in darili'. A ker smo licemerni, nas moti samo in izključno en nedemokratičen režim.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Fritz ::

"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Mr.B ::

No ne vem, kako se bo temu reklo : Jebo lud zbunjenog za pac man podobne ...
People are planning to act as human shields in an effort to protect the Syrian city of Afrin as the Turkish military and its allied forces prepare to capture the Kurdish-controlled urban centre
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

nsa_ag3nt ::

V E. Ghouti vzpostavljeni 3 kotli.


Včeraj je odpeljal prvi zeleni Idlibstan_express https://muraselon.com/en/2018/03/breaki...

Take milosti https://twitter.com/Navsteva/status/972... SAA vojaki niso bili deležni https://twitter.com/rca1767/status/9727... .

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Cervantes ::

Kotli.
A bojo kuhal zmerne borce za demokracijo?

Pac-Man ::

Samo Cervantes je bil enkrat dol in je dobil občutek da je vse normalno.

https://twitter.com/KreaseChan/status/9...

From the new UN report on Syria & sexual violence - is it still a mystery why so many Syrians wanted (and still want to) change Assad's murderous regime?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Samo Cervantes je bil enkrat dol in je dobil občutek da je vse normalno.

https://twitter.com/KreaseChan/status/9...

From the new UN report on Syria & sexual violence - is it still a mystery why so many Syrians wanted (and still want to) change Assad's murderous regime?

Kaj ko bi ti poizkusal en mesec ne brati socialnih medijev in limati le te v temo. Kot je ze vsem jasno, se manipulacij le teh dogajajo desetletje, pa se se vedno naslanjas ti kot edini kredibilni vir.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

It's also inevitable, in this murky world of shifting alliances and often hidden deals with irregular militias on an ever-fluctuating battleground, that some of these arms do not always end up where they were meant to.

At the end of last year, for example, the UK-based Conflict Armament Research found - after analysing 40,000 items recovered by its investigators along ISIL front lines between July 2014 and November 2017 - that as much as 90 percent of ISIL's vast arsenal of arms and ammunition had originated in Russia, China and Eastern European states - often as a consequence of US weapons transfers which had somehow fallen into the wrong hands.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Odjebi.

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies...


No lepo, da si uporabil kaj drugega kot twixic... no uravnoteženo je potrebno osnovo graditi....

No relano je takole :
The group's soldiers have been accused of committing serious abuses and reprisal attacks against Sunnis thought to belong or to be sympathetic to IS in cities recently retaken from the jihadists.


ali naši, ki se borjo prit unim drugim muslimanom iz irana...
Saudi cleric says women are to blame for rape and harassment



Ali malo pri drugi sosedi :
April 9 to demand that the Justice Department explain why it has failed to prosecute a single sexual assault case in the theater since the Iraq War began.


Ali bližje domu :
The false contrast between the freedom of women in the West with their alleged oppression in the Arab region misses the larger context. It is one of gendered disempowerment, war, occupation and militarised society...America's worst kept secrets
This simple campaign is indeed showing what we already knew, what is, if you want, one of America's worst kept secrets, that we do live in a rape culture. Sexual harassment of women is all around us, we witness or experience some form of it every single day of our lives.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Fritz ::

"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

leiito ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Odjebi.

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies...


No lepo, da si uporabil kaj drugega kot twixic... no uravnoteženo je potrebno osnovo graditi....

No relano je takole :
The group's soldiers have been accused of committing serious abuses and reprisal attacks against Sunnis thought to belong or to be sympathetic to IS in cities recently retaken from the jihadists.


ali naši, ki se borjo prit unim drugim muslimanom iz irana...
Saudi cleric says women are to blame for rape and harassment



Ali malo pri drugi sosedi :
April 9 to demand that the Justice Department explain why it has failed to prosecute a single sexual assault case in the theater since the Iraq War began.


Ali bližje domu :
The false contrast between the freedom of women in the West with their alleged oppression in the Arab region misses the larger context. It is one of gendered disempowerment, war, occupation and militarised society...America's worst kept secrets
This simple campaign is indeed showing what we already knew, what is, if you want, one of America's worst kept secrets, that we do live in a rape culture. Sexual harassment of women is all around us, we witness or experience some form of it every single day of our lives.


Jp, to področje se rapidno spreminja. Še kako leto, dve nazaj je veljalo, da so za ženske moč, denar, slava itd. turn on in da je to pač to. Zdaj ne več, če je šla s tabo zato, ker imaš denar, moč, slavo, si jo posilil, ker si dovolil, da jo zapelje družbena konstrukcija tebe, ne pa ti ti. Tko da zdaj je treba biti zelo previden.

nsa_ag3nt ::

Koliko civilistov od prej navedenih 400 k (vir MSM) so sedaj že prešteli, je odšel iz V Gute, pod nadzor Assada ?

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Mr.B ::

nsa_ag3nt je izjavil:

Koliko civilistov od prej navedenih 400 k (vir MSM) so sedaj že prešteli, je odšel iz V Gute, pod nadzor Assada ?

Hoces reci se umikajo spopadom, sedaj ko so dovolili druzinam zmernih upornikov da se umaknejo v idlib ? Sedaj jih noben ne zadrzuje v mestu, in lahko civilisti, koncno odidejo iz obmocja spopadov.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Mr.B ::

France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

nsa_ag3nt ::

Kdaj bo ZDA/VS OZN ukrepal proti zlobnim invazivnim Turkom, ki uporabljajo za napade zapovrh še ex isilovce ?
ex isil = moderate rebel FSA

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Fritz ::



IS je začel delati štalo iz Yarmouka. Očitno jim je postalo jasno, da so naslednji na vrsti.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

SimplyMiha ::

No, pa je Afrin padel v roke IS prebežnikov.

Mr.B ::

France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Good news, everyone.

Srebrenica kmalu ne bo več simbol neučinkovitosti mednarodnih organzacij.

https://twitter.com/SiegeWatch/status/9...

Photos of civilians being processed by pro-govt. forces. Forcibly displaced people now risking their lives to leak photos & get news out about their abuse: after being forced to praise the gov. on camera, men are separated from women, many handcuffed & taken away. #EasternGhouta
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Good news, everyone.

Srebrenica kmalu ne bo več simbol neučinkovitosti mednarodnih organzacij.

https://twitter.com/SiegeWatch/status/9...

Photos of civilians being processed by pro-govt. forces. Forcibly displaced people now risking their lives to leak photos & get news out about their abuse: after being forced to praise the gov. on camera, men are separated from women, many handcuffed & taken away. #EasternGhouta

A je to tako kot tistih 150k, ki je prostovolno odsla iz Afrina.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Z Guto in njenimi prebivalci ima Assad še neporavnane račune.

Siege of Eastern Ghouta @ Wikipedia

Prior to the Syrian Civil War, the total population of Eastern Ghouta, a collection of farms and cities near Damascus, was around 1.5 million people.[1] During the civil unrest that began in Syria in March 2011, some of the eastern Ghouta residents took part in the protests against the Syrian president Bashar Al-Assad and joined the Syrian rebels and expelled Syrian government forces by November 2012.[11] In February 2013, Syrian rebels captured parts of the ring road on the edge of Damascus and entered the Jobar district of the capital city.[12] Backed by Iran and Hezbollah, the Syrian Arab Army counterattacked and in April 2013 began a siege of Eastern Ghouta, which is just 15 km or a half hour's drive outside the capital Damascus.[13] Cut off from the rest of the country, the population of Eastern Ghouta resorted to incineration of plastics to generate electricity. In early 2015, when the Syrian government cut off water supplies to Duma, the population adapted yet again and dug over 600 underground wells, using manual pumps to supply water.[1]

Ghouta chemical attack @ Wikipedia

The Ghouta chemical attack occurred in Ghouta, Syria during the Syrian Civil War, in the early hours of 21 August 2013. Two opposition-controlled areas in the suburbs around Damascus, Syria were struck by rockets containing the chemical agent sarin. Estimates of the death toll range from at least 281 people[3] to 1,729.[14] The attack was the deadliest use of chemical weapons since the Iran-Iraq War.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Fritz ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Z Guto in njenimi prebivalci ima Assad še neporavnane račune.

Noup, Assad ima neporavnane račune z islamisti, ki so v V. Ghouti zadrževali civiliste in obstreljevali Damask. Nihče pameten ne bi spustil teh ljudi v svoje zaledje brez poglobljenega preverjanja, to je popolnoma normalen postopek. Če bodo na dan prišle informacije, da so jih masovno pobijali brez sojenja pa bo to nekaj drugega in tedaj lahko govorimo o zločinu.
"Težav ne moremo reševati z isto miselnostjo,
kot smo jo imeli, ko smo jih ustvarili."
A. Einstein

Pac-Man ::

"Islamisti."

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/12/16/syr...

In August 2013, a military defector code-named Caesar smuggled 53,275 photographs out of Syria. Human Rights Watch received the full set of images from the Syrian National Movement, a Syrian anti-government political group that received them from Caesar. The report focuses on 28,707 of the photographs that, based on all available information, show at least 6,786 detainees who died in detention or after being transferred from detention to a military hospital. The remaining photographs are of attack sites or of bodies identified by name as of government soldiers, other armed fighters, or civilians killed in attacks, explosions, or assassination attempts.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man,
kaj še nisi videl vojne. Ej jaz bi tud rajš pri poročilih gledal joško kot kri. Ampak joške : viši poljubno.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

To ni vojna, ampak mrtvi iz Assadovih zaporov.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/i...

The largest category of photographs, 28,707 images, are photographs of people Human Rights Watch understands to have died in government custody, either in one of several detention facilities or after being transferred to a military hospital. What distinguishes this batch of photographs is that all the bodies in them have identification numbers, typically three separate numbers, either written directly on the body or on a paper that is placed on the body or held in the photograph frame.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

nsa_ag3nt ::

pac
Afrin je nova Srebrenica oz etnično čiščenje Kurdov, medtem VS OZN molči.
Nato isto, ko njihova članica hara po drugi državi skupaj z ex isilovci.

Kdaj sledijo sankcije ?
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five

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Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

To ni vojna, ampak mrtvi iz Assadovih zaporov.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/i...

The largest category of photographs, 28,707 images, are photographs of people Human Rights Watch understands to have died in government custody, either in one of several detention facilities or after being transferred to a military hospital. What distinguishes this batch of photographs is that all the bodies in them have identification numbers, typically three separate numbers, either written directly on the body or on a paper that is placed on the body or held in the photograph frame.

Torej po zaslišanju so jih fentali. Kaj hočeš povedati, da imaš fetiš za mrtve ?

1.
The largest category of photographs, 28,707 images, are photographs of people Human Rights Watch understands to have died in government custody, either in one of several detention facilities or after being transferred to a military hospital.
2.
The second category of photographs are images of dead army soldiers or members of the security forces. These photographs were also taken in the morgues of military hospitals. However, unlike the first batch, the cards on these photographs include the name of the person who died, and sometimes the date of their death. I
3.
The third category of photographs taken by the Syrian Military Police can be described as crime scene photographs taken in the aftermath of attacks and cover several categories of incidents including the aftermath of explosions, assassinations of security officers, fires, and car bombs.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Torej po zaslišanju so jih fentali. Kaj hočeš povedati, da imaš fetiš za mrtve ?

Da je asadov režim sociopatski zločin proti človeštvu.

The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Torej po zaslišanju so jih fentali. Kaj hočeš povedati, da imaš fetiš za mrtve ?

Da je asadov režim sociopatski zločin proti človeštvu.


V čem je razlika, če jih da pred strelski vod ali obesi ?
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Zheegec ::

A kakšni mediji poročajo o dogajanju v Afrinu? Izgleda, kot da so ga Turki vrnili v roke ISIS/Al Qaede.
"božja zapoved pravi; <Spoštuj očeta in mater>,
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

V čem je razlika, če jih da pred strelski vod ali obesi ?

Štrik je bolj eko. Za 13 000 usmrtitev rabiš vsaj 13 000 svinčenih nabojev.

Ampak to sploh ni pomembno. Šteje, da je režim industrijsko eliminiral 13 000 državljanov.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Zheegec ::

Štrik je bolj eko. Za 13 000 usmrtitev rabiš vsaj 13 000 svinčenih nabojev.

US prehaja na plin - Oklahoma Turns to Gas for Executions Amid Turmoil Over Lethal Injection
"božja zapoved pravi; <Spoštuj očeta in mater>,
ne govori pa o spoštovanju sodstva."
Janez Janša, 29.04.2014

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

V čem je razlika, če jih da pred strelski vod ali obesi ?

Štrik je bolj eko. Za 13 000 usmrtitev rabiš vsaj 13 000 svinčenih nabojev.

Ampak to sploh ni pomembno. Šteje, da je režim industrijsko eliminiral 13 000 državljanov.


Kako to dela Demokratična amerika.
1. Obama zapre tistega, ki poroča o kršenju človekovih pravic, ter oprosti tistega ki to s polnim zavedanjem krši..


2. Kako se v Demokratični ameriki poroča o spopadih, kje je ta tvoja opevana amerika :
2-1 : povedali boste to in to tako napisano
2-2 : za unikatnost, lahko uporabite sledeče besede : A, B, C
2-3 : nikoli ne smete uporabiti sledečih besed ali fraz : AA, BB, CC
2-4 : v nasprotnem primeru ne boste poročali o ničemer.


Posledično temu, je do "nedavnega" veljalo da so z droni ubili le teroriste + 1 civilno žrtev. In to še v Času Obame, kako je ta nategnil levake.

Za začetek razmišljanja, in začetek spraševanja na FB, ker twixic objave itak ne znaš, si preberi recimo tole :

According to White House officials, no final decisions have been made by Bush, Cheney and current defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "We're still negotiating with the media," said one administration official. But Bush has already implemented ground rules that require journalists to give up their mobile and satellite phones to military commanders who would control the movements of these so-called pool reporters during Desert Storm II. If the final rules, organised by the Pentagon, are anything like the pool system designed by Bush Sr and Cheney in 1991, the world will be given a cloudy mixture of video footage and misinformation that will fog the reality of war.

As a result, the conventional wisdom was that the government was not violating the First Amendment to the Constitution: that Congress "will make no law to abridge [. . .] freedom of the press". Only a handful of journalists went to federal court to challenge the government censorship imposed by Bush, Cheney and Colin Powell, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. The court ruled the suit moot - the war was over - but invited the press to try again so that the issue might be settled. It never was.


Toliko da imaš sploh osnove. No lahko pa Američani prispevajo usmrtilne injekcije, al pa kar s TANKI čez, ker verjetno je to najcenejše.

Verjetno velja za ene mal drugačno kot za druge…
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

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nsa_ag3nt ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Torej po zaslišanju so jih fentali. Kaj hočeš povedati, da imaš fetiš za mrtve ?

Da je asadov režim sociopatski zločin proti človeštvu.


Fake news.
Dokaz iz istega "nivoja"



Kako potem pojasnjuješ, da vozijo zeleni avtobusi v Idlib ?
Ko so padala SAA baze/mesta je zajete vojake dočakal samo metek, če so imeli srečo, nobenega avtobusa ni bilo.

Kako pojasnjuješ, da 17 od 21 milijonov Sircev živi na ozemlju pod nadzorom Assada ?

ontopic
V E. Ghouta ozemlje pod nadzorom islamistov kopni kot sneg na majskem soncu.


https://twitter.com/BBassem7/status/975...
https://twitter.com/BBassem7/status/975...
Really impressive. Assad driving into Eastern Ghouta, unimaginable few weeks ago.In Honda.
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five

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arnecan1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

To ni vojna, ampak mrtvi iz Assadovih zaporov.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2015/12/16/i...

The largest category of photographs, 28,707 images, are photographs of people Human Rights Watch understands to have died in government custody, either in one of several detention facilities or after being transferred to a military hospital. What distinguishes this batch of photographs is that all the bodies in them have identification numbers, typically three separate numbers, either written directly on the body or on a paper that is placed on the body or held in the photograph frame.

Ja, ja, saj smo razumeli. Oblast naj končno prevzame "zmerna demokratična opozicija".

nsa_ag3nt ::

Navali narode, v Afrinu so razprodaje:
https://twitter.com/BBassem7/status/975...
Everything must go !
https://gizmodo.com/c/goodbye-big-five

Pac-Man ::

arnecan1 je izjavil:

Ja, ja, saj smo razumeli. Oblast naj končno prevzame "zmerna demokratična opozicija".

Ko je lep del prebivalstva pripravljen tvegati glavo, da te spravi z oblasti, je s tvojo oblastjo nekaj hudo narobe. In tu ne pomagajo nobeni dvotipi.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

arnecan1 je izjavil:

Ja, ja, saj smo razumeli. Oblast naj končno prevzame "zmerna demokratična opozicija".

Ko je lep del prebivalstva pripravljen tvegati glavo, da te spravi z oblasti, je s tvojo oblastjo nekaj hudo narobe. In tu ne pomagajo nobeni dvotipi.

Sej vem da imaš težave z dojemanjem Arabskega sveta.
ČE ne bi bil raje tiho o Libiji, Egipt, pa še kakšni spomladi. V iraku že jamrajo, da tadrugi muslimano, ne dobijo investcij, itd...
V glavenm sama demokracija. Povsod kao živijo bolje. No bolj pod tvojimi idejami.
Imam že kokice. Preseneti nas.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Situacija v Libiji ter Egiptu je v primerjavi s Sirijo super.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Mr.B ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Situacija v Libiji ter Egiptu je v primerjavi s Sirijo super.

Seveda tam so tako fentali te samooklicane diktatorje. Torej ja manj smrtnih žrtev po mediji. Tu pa se vsa zgodba "razlike" konča. No za Egipt je jasno kako so potekale volitve, na koncu je sarkastično ostal samo ameriški kandidat. Ostali so imeli take in drugačen probleme teroristi :)). No libija, no obstajajo kampi, ampak ne počitniški.
Ampak ja tam je sedaj demokracija, tako kot v Iraku.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

No za Egipt je jasno kako so potekale volitve, na koncu je sarkastično ostal samo ameriški kandidat. Ostali so imeli take in drugačen probleme teroristi :)).

Mubarak je bil velik ameriški frend, egipčanska vojska je za ZDA največji uporabnik Abramsov (čez 1000 z domačo proizvodnjo), itd. itn..
Na žalost je bil diktator in se mu je zgodilo ljudstvo. Obama se je v imenu demokracije držal ob strani.

Egyptian revolution of 2011 @ Wikipedia

Sledile so volitve, zmagala je muslimanska "death to amerikkka" bratovščina.

Egyptian presidential election, 2012 @ Wikipedia

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbeh...

One would think that Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi would have learned his lesson two weeks ago: Try not to bite the hand that you need to help feed your country. After all, Forbes on January 11th called him out (and sharply criticized the silence of big news outlets) for urging a boycott of America and labeling Jews “apes and pigs” on an Egyptian TV interview in 2010.

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But anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism are not easy things to suppress when you despise the United States, Israel, and Jews in general -- as much as he and his Muslim Brotherhood (MB) party do.


Tudi tem se je zgodilo ljudstvo

2012%E2%80%9313 Egyptian protests @ Wikipedia

in nato še vojaški udar.

2013 Egyptian coup d%27%C3%A9tat @ Wikipedia

ZDA so ga jasno in glasno kritizirale, čeprav je z oblasti spravil njihove nasprotnike.

2013 Egyptian coup d%27%C3%A9tat @ Wikipedia

Oblast je prevzel el Sisi, ki je bil nato še izvoljen.

Egyptian presidential election, 2014 @ Wikipedia

Po volitvah so se odnosi z ZDA izboljšali, vseeno pa je prišlo do velikega strateškega premika ter se Egipt zdaj nahaja v veliko bolj ruski orbiti, če ostanemo pri tankih je to ponazorjeno s 500 T-90.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

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Mr.B ::

Pac-man, da ne bom smetil teme, s tvojemi, ko začneš ti in temi podobnimi kazati na ruse. Ti dam naslov, ki se ponavlja, no po večini medijev...no ne v lasti Židovskih medijev...
..........in Egypt's 'joke' election......

Ne se več smešit.
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza,
To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold

Pac-Man ::

Nekdo pride z argumenti in se evakuiraš z "ne bom smetil" in "židovski mediji".

Snowflake much?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

>Na žalost je bil diktator in se mu je zgodilo ljudstvo. Obama se je v imenu demokracije držal ob strani.

NATO je nudil zračno podporo upornikom, ki so bili precej ziher tudi sponzorirani s strani zahoda. V imenu demokracije. In zdaj tam cveti isis. Mission accomplished - v imenu demokracije.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

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Pac-Man ::

Poldi112 je izjavil:

>Na žalost je bil diktator in se mu je zgodilo ljudstvo. Obama se je v imenu demokracije držal ob strani.

NATO je nudil zračno podporo upornikom, ki so bili precej ziher tudi sponzorirani s strani zahoda. V imenu demokracije.


V Egiptu?

Kake knockoff učbenike to berete?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or
the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and
fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.

Poldi112 ::

Pardon, pozno je, pa sem jih mal pomešal. :)
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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