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vostok_1 ::

No, sedaj ga še prefarbaj srebrno.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

7982884e ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

samo za razvoj ekvivalenta Kitajskim in ruskim konzervam, ki letijo nad 1000km/s
točno 0. ni nobenega programa za raketno podobne vrste.

Smrekar1 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Loocas,
Predelagam da pogledaš koliko je US dala v razvoj laserkega in rail gun programa proti koliko je letos USA dala za budget samo za razvoj ekvivalenta Kitajskim in ruskim konzervam, ki letijo nad 1000km/s


Samo tele kitajsko-ruske so pa vsakič nekaj bolj norega. Še prejšnji teden so bile visoko okretne pri pičlih 2 km/s, zdaj je 1000 km/s že kar standard. No, vsaj nekaj - če je na tem 1% resnice bomo najkasneje do leta 2020 imeli intergalaktična plovila z nadsvetlobno hitrostjo.

Lahko gre tudi za nabijanje. Žal je to bolj verjetno :(

7982884e je izjavil:


novejše klase bodo očitno imele za velikostni razred več električne moči. zumwalt ima 78MW generator.


Predvsem je razlika v načinu pogona. Arleigh Burke ima konvencionalen pogon, kjer motor poganja gred ladijskega vijaka, Zumwalt pa generatorje v drobovju ladje in električne motorje, ki poganjajo vijake (vsaj del izven lupine za večjo okretnost). Posledica tega je, da ladja po potrebi lahko razpolaga tudi z neprimerno več električne energije in za Zumwalta tudi 20 MW laser ne bi bil nek zalogaj. Ladja bi plula nekaj počasneje, to je pa tudi vse.

pa recimo pogonska gred turbine na f-35 razvije 20 MW.


Da, za vojsko 1 MW moči ni nek velik zalogaj. M1A2 ima motor moči 1,1 MW.

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Mr.B ::

7982884e je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

samo za razvoj ekvivalenta Kitajskim in ruskim konzervam, ki letijo nad 1000km/s
točno 0. ni nobenega programa za raketno podobne vrste.


It’s been a good year for hypersonic researchers, who got a 50 percent bump in the Defense Department’s 2017 budget request. The Air Force plans to test a hypersonic missile by the end of the decade.

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:

Loocas,
Predelagam da pogledaš koliko je US dala v razvoj laserkega in rail gun programa proti koliko je letos USA dala za budget samo za razvoj ekvivalenta Kitajskim in ruskim konzervam, ki letijo nad 1000km/s


Samo tele kitajsko-ruske so pa vsakič nekaj bolj norega. Še prejšnji teden so bile visoko okretne pri pičlih 2 km/s, zdaj je 1000 km/s že kar standard. No, vsaj nekaj - če je na tem 1% resnice bomo najkasneje do leta 2020 imeli intergalaktična plovila z nadsvetlobno hitrostjo.

Lahko gre tudi za nabijanje. Žal je to bolj verjetno :(

7982884e je izjavil:


novejše klase bodo očitno imele za velikostni razred več električne moči. zumwalt ima 78MW generator.


Predvsem je razlika v načinu pogona. Arleigh Burke ima konvencionalen pogon, kjer motor poganja gred ladijskega vijaka, Zumwalt pa generatorje v drobovju ladje in električne motorje, ki poganjajo vijake (vsaj del izven lupine za večjo okretnost). Posledica tega je, da ladja po potrebi lahko razpolaga tudi z neprimerno več električne energije in za Zumwalta tudi 20 MW laser ne bi bil nek zalogaj. Ladja bi plula nekaj počasneje, to je pa tudi vse.

pa recimo pogonska gred turbine na f-35 razvije 20 MW.


Da, za vojsko 1 MW moči ni nek velik zalogaj. M1A2 ima motor moči 1,1 MW.

Oprosti smrekar, samm typo kar ti je la#je 1000m/s ali 1km/s.

In da še vedno ne znaš izračunati koliko energije je potrebno za 1 MW laser.
Dlje ko boste plačevali influencerjem za čustveno stanje,
slabše bo za ukjince in posledično tudi Evropo.
Vseeno je včasih potrebno pogledati stanje na terena.

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Smrekar1 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:


Oprosti smrekar, samm typo kar ti je la#je 1000m/s ali 1km/s.


No, napredujemo.

In da še vedno ne znaš izračunati koliko energije je potrebno za 1 MW laser.


Tako je. Dokler ne poveš koliko časa naj ta laser sveti namreč ne morem nikakor izračunati koliko energije bom za to porabil. Če ne razumeš počakaj, da boste v šoli to jemali.

Cervantes je izjavil:

Laser je hudič, moraš pumpat vanj do 2ox več energije kot je output.
Nisem prepričan, da je izkoristek danes čez 7%.


http://www.nlight.net/nlight-files/file...

85% izkoristek pri -50°C, 76% pri 10°C, 10 let nazaj.

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Mr.B ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:


Oprosti smrekar, samm typo kar ti je la#je 1000m/s ali 1km/s.


No, napredujemo.

In da še vedno ne znaš izračunati koliko energije je potrebno za 1 MW laser.


Tako je. Dokler ne poveš koliko časa naj ta laser sveti namreč ne morem nikakor izračunati koliko energije bom za to porabil. Če ne razumeš počakaj, da boste v šoli to jemali.

Cervantes je izjavil:

Laser je hudič, moraš pumpat vanj do 2ox več energije kot je output.
Nisem prepričan, da je izkoristek danes čez 7%.


http://www.nlight.net/nlight-files/file...

85% izkoristek pri -50°C, 76% pri 10°C, 10 let nazaj.


A jo, meüaü . mW ni MW in ta laser je namenjen vse prej kot topljenju cesarkoli.. veliko srece.
Da te razveselim 1 MW v pulz vsako sekundo po 1 MW. PA tu 1MW je Neto Ouput ne imput Bruto.
Dlje ko boste plačevali influencerjem za čustveno stanje,
slabše bo za ukjince in posledično tudi Evropo.
Vseeno je včasih potrebno pogledati stanje na terena.

Smrekar1 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:


A jo, meüaü . mW ni MW in ta laser je namenjen vse prej kot topljenju cesarkoli.. veliko srece.


Garantiram ti, da je topljenje z laserjem glede na trenutno razumevanje vesolja popolnoma nemogoče.

Da te razveselim 1 MW v pulz vsako sekundo po 1 MW.


V to pa res dvomim. Si morda mislil 1 MJ?

PA tu 1MW je Neto Ouput ne imput Bruto.


Po edinem podatku, ki ni potegnjen iz riti zanj rabiš ~1,31 MW vstopne moči. To je nekoliko več kot zmore motor M1A2 pri polni obremenitvi, oziroma tubrina F-35 bi jih lahko pri polni obremenitvi napajala približno 15, Zumwalt pa kakih 40. Koliko takih orožji nameravajo ameri namontirati na posamezne ladje? 1-2? Znanstvena fantastika, ja, pri polni obremenitvi bi porabil slabih 5% energije, ki je ladja lahko kontinuirno proizvaja, kar je seveda povsem nemogoče ane :))

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Mr.B ::

Dlje ko boste plačevali influencerjem za čustveno stanje,
slabše bo za ukjince in posledično tudi Evropo.
Vseeno je včasih potrebno pogledati stanje na terena.

Loocas ::

Matev - najslabši troll vseh časov

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7982884e ::

Mr.B je izjavil:


It’s been a good year for hypersonic researchers, who got a 50 percent bump in the Defense Department’s 2017 budget request. The Air Force plans to test a hypersonic missile by the end of the decade.

ločiš ti med supersonic in hypersonic?

peko_deko ::

Smrekar1, škoda da niso za Zumwalte uporabili jederskih reaktorjev...

Smrekar1 ::

peko_deko je izjavil:

Smrekar1, škoda da niso za Zumwalte uporabili jederskih reaktorjev...


Nič ne kaže da bi jih rabili. Moči imajo približno toliko kot kakšna malo večja hidroelektrarna na Savi. Seveda pa predvidevam, da bodo naredili tudi nekaj jedrskih križark, če se bodo tale laserska orožja izkazala kot odlična.

Invictus ::

Jedrski reaktorji se v US Navy uporabljajo samo za letalonosilke in podmornice.

Pri ostalih so šli na konvencionalni pogon, kar se mi zdi precej butasta ideja za ladje, ki spremljajo letalonosilko.

Praktično jih je treba tankati na par dni, če je malo več akcije. Sam zdaj ne najdem linka... Nisem verjel da pokurijo toliko nafte, ko sem bral članek.
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

Smrekar1 ::

Invictus je izjavil:

Jedrski reaktorji se v US Navy uporabljajo samo za letalonosilke in podmornice.

Pri ostalih so šli na konvencionalni pogon, kar se mi zdi precej butasta ideja za ladje, ki spremljajo letalonosilko.

Praktično jih je treba tankati na par dni, če je malo več akcije. Sam zdaj ne najdem linka... Nisem verjel da pokurijo toliko nafte, ko sem bral članek.


Par dni z malo več akcije je že zgornja meja za pomorske bitke v zgodovinskem merilu. V modernem času pričakuj, da se bodo stvari v veliki večini primerov odvile v nekaj urah.

Invictus ::

Sam vseeno. Američani imajo dober jedrski reaktor v podmornicah tipa Virginia. Narejen za 50 let brez vzdrževanja.

Zakaj ga niso ponucali na Zumwaltu, nimam pojma. 2x ali 3x po 30MW bi bilo več kot dovolj...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

Smrekar1 ::

Invictus je izjavil:

Sam vseeno. Američani imajo dober jedrski reaktor v podmornicah tipa Virginia. Narejen za 50 let brez vzdrževanja.

Zakaj ga niso ponucali na Zumwaltu, nimam pojma. 2x ali 3x po 30MW bi bilo več kot dovolj...


Tudi jaz ne. Najbrž imajo kak dober razlog - recimo ta, da ladje tima Zumwalt načeloma gledajo kot na nekaj, kar bo sovražnik še morda lahko kdaj pa kdaj zadel. Letalonosilke in podmornice morda štejejo v drugo kategorijo.

Ne bom trdil, da je to vzrok, se mi pa zdi, da je v skladu z realnostjo.

tiborrr ::

Smreka, ti si bolj na tekočem, a je že kaj novega glede hrvaških MiG-21, ki so šli na MLU... pač na upgrade v Ukrajino?

Drugače je zdaj Steam sale, pa dobiš DCS: MiG-21 modul za -30%. Samo pravim :D
Don't test the captain's validity or his vulnerability!

vostok_1 ::

Lol, jz mislim, da vi res ne znate kako poteka vojna med dvema ekvivalentnima nasprotnikoma (brez uporabe jedrskega orožja).

V resnici zmaga tisti, ki se prvi prilagodi na razmere/izzive.
Če nekdo montira super duper armor na tank, ti moraš montirat super duper top da boš prevladal.

ŠE v iraku so morali izumit nove kontrapcije, da bi vsaj malo uspeli.

Delat letala za 30 let pa je itak fail.

Oh look...another money drain

http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/02/grumma...
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

7982884e ::

Delat letala za 30 let pa je itak fail.

za kolk let pa? 10? pa pol na 10 let delat programe ranga f-22?

vostok_1 ::

Glede na današnje potrebe bi zadostovala ena bolje opremljena cesna.

Vojne ni in ne bo med velikani...če pa res bo, ti f22 ne bo prav nič služil.
Za pobijat achmede pa kot pravim, je pilatus overkill.

Kaj pa misliš, da bo (P)USSR bombnik kar malo španciral po teritoriju ZDA če ne bodo imeli F22ke?
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

borisk ::

sej za rjuharje ponekod že (ali pa so) uporabljajo OV-10 Bronco ki je nekaj takega kot cesna

Loocas ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Seveda jo bodo, no jo že imajo, pa Indijci in kitajci tudi. Mapka že tako vemo, da ta laser razen za neke osnovne gretje ladje ni primeren. Sicer pa nobena moderna raketa razen v zadnji fazi, ko je že prepozno ne uporablja elektroniki v nosu. Žal pa razen v nos, teh raket res ne moreš streljat.


toliko o tem, kdaj bodo te rakete na voljo:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/07/curren...

China could deploy hypersonic boost and glide missile by 2020 and hypersonic powered missiles by 2025
Russian hypersonic Zircon missiles by 2022
Russia and India want to have a shortrange almost-hypersonic missile by 2020 and a mach 7+ version by 2029

Kako se bodo razvili laserji do 2025 pa lahko samo predvidevamo...
Matev - najslabši troll vseh časov

Spajky ::

Mislim, da imajo vsi trije že operativne že nekaj časa "Particle Beam Guns" ...
"Bluzim na forumu, torej sem !" (še živ ) ...

Smrekar1 ::

Loocas je izjavil:


toliko o tem, kdaj bodo te rakete na voljo:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/07/curren...

China could deploy hypersonic boost and glide missile by 2020 and hypersonic powered missiles by 2025
Russian hypersonic Zircon missiles by 2022
Russia and India want to have a shortrange almost-hypersonic missile by 2020 and a mach 7+ version by 2029

Kako se bodo razvili laserji do 2025 pa lahko samo predvidevamo...


Zircone se da učinkovito premagati s tem, da imaš daljši doseg od njih. Trenutno načrtujejo doseg 400 km, kar pomeni, da jih učinkovito zafrkneš s tem, da imaš sposobnost napasti iz razdalije, večje od 600 km.
F-35C ima brez dotakanja goriva doseg 1000 km, F-35B pa 600 km, obema prištejemo še doseg orožja (~100 km) in hitro vidimo, da so Zirconi v tem trenutku že brezupno zastareli. Podobno velja, če jih primerjamo s starejšimi lovci, kot je F/A-18.

Rakete daljšega dosega bodo vedno letele visoko, kjer se jih da že sedaj učinkovito prestrezati.

Fajn, ane? Zato pa ameri delajo na nizko opaznih raketah.

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Mr.B ::

Rakete daljšega dosega bodo vedno letele visoko, kjer se jih da že sedaj učinkovito prestrezati.
Ne, ker v tem trenutku ni potreb.
Dlje ko boste plačevali influencerjem za čustveno stanje,
slabše bo za ukjince in posledično tudi Evropo.
Vseeno je včasih potrebno pogledati stanje na terena.

Smrekar1 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:

Ne, ker v tem trenutku ni potreb.


Protibalistične rakete lahko prestregajo tudi te hipersonične zadeve. Razlika je namreč samo v tem, da so balistične rakete bistveno hitrejše (mach 10-15) in da letijo višje. Časa za prestrezanje je v obeh primerih podobno, samo izračun je nekoliko drugačen. Prepričan sem, da sistem Aegis s pridruženimi raketami to zmore brez popravkov.

Nekaj razlike bi lahko naredili s tem, da bi imeli hipersonične rakete, ki letijo nizko, splho na višini manj kot kilometer. Tam te pa zna zafrkniti fizika - svetiš kot goreča novoletna jelka v Postonjski jami brez elektrike, pozabi na manevriranje, približno polovico teže rakete bo termalni ščit in potreboval boš ogromno goriva.

Pac-Man ::

robosokol te gleda :)



Na drugi ogled - precej živčno maha za realizem.

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Pac-Man ::

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/...

A couple of weeks ago, I ran across a really interesting story from Operation Desert Storm. Did you know the United States deployed a Ground-Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) unit in Saudi Arabia? But, instead of being equipped with nuclear-armed BGM-109G Gryphon, the unit deployed with Navy BQM-74 Chukar drones that were used to spoof the radars associated with Iraq’s air defenses. The operation, known as Scathe Mean, is really interesting tale.

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The short version is that the Air Force wanted to send a wave of target drones into Iraq to fool the Iraqis into turning on their radars, with a large number of strike aircraft following to, uh, turn them back off permanently.

Pac-Man ::

Tole bo lewisov zakon

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/...

This is one thing I’ve learned. If you have a conclusion based on a single signature — like the number of casings — and that conclusion further requires that you assume a foreign nuclear program is staffed by utter morons, you may have misidentified the pertinent moron.


;)

Pac-Man ::

Še ena

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/...

In 2002, Albania announced that it had discovered 16 tons of Chinese supplied chemical weapons dating to the dictatorship of Enver Hoxha at a bunker near Qafëmollë (sometimes rendered as Qaf Molle). Here are some pictures of the bunker and the munitions, which is located at: 41°20’43.36″N, 19°57’21.90″E



Tirana appealed for help.

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The United States, thanks to the leadership of then-Senator Richard Lugar, ultimately paid for security at the site, including fences and armed guards, as well as for deployment of a mobile incinerator. DTRA contracted with Eisenmann AG for the incinerator unit and URS to manage the project.

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The United States, according to Bob Mikulak, ultimately “contributed over 45 million dollars to assist the Republic of Albania in eliminating 16.6 metric tons of chemical weapons agents at Qaf Molle, destroying 100 percent of its stockpile in a verified manner” by July 2007.



Sadly, that’s not the end of the story. Here we pick up the story based on cables from Wikileaks. What about all the hazardous waste?

The Albanian Ministry of Defense had agreed to take it, planning to construct a hazardous waste storage facility with assistance from the European Union. That process went nowhere. The US complained to the Europeans, but the EU canceled the project in the wake of local opposition.

The hazardous waste sat in containers on the concrete pad. The containers started to leak. In late 2007-early 2008, the US hired an environmental remediation firm, Savant Environmental, “who determined the problem was worse than originally thought. Many of the containers were leaking salts of heavy metals, primarily arsenic, lead and mercury. In addition, the conexes were not waterproof, and since contaminated components had not been properly cleaned before being put into the conexes, condensation and water leakage were dissolving some of the contaminants and causing them to leak out onto the ground.”

Savant Environmental repackaged the waste and placed it in 20 shipping containers. There it sits, visible from space. Good for twenty years. Well, fifteen now. Ish.

Those containers are still sitting on the concrete pad, out in the open. Here is a satellite image from August.


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The stuff isn’t a chemical weapons threat any more, of course, but it is an environmental hazard. Just sitting in some shipping containers.

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I realize that individual states have to take some responsibility, but if we’re going to argue that nonproliferation is shared interest we can’t say the hazardous waste from chemical weapon demilitarization or disposing of seized munitions aren’t part of our shared responsibility.

I don’t want to leave the impression that I am criticizing the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, which did more than anyone else in this saga save for maybe Dick Lugar and staff. They can’t do it all, for goodness sake. And lord knows, pressing for US assistance to Albania didn’t help Lugar win his primary. It would be nice if the Europeans stepped up on the construction of a hazardous waste facility in Albania or the Chinese agreed to make amends for selling a nasty government some nasty weapons. Or even the Russians, for propping up Joe Stalin’s buddy. I know Wikileaks hates the United States, but those leaked cables suggest Washington worked harder than any other country — even if the US wasn’t perfect all the time. The Italians complained about the risk from the site, but what did they offer?

Maybe Albania is no worse off than if it had left the chemical weapons rotting in the bunker, slowly poisoning the hillside — but that setts the bar pretty low. If we want to persuade states to take, for example, Syria’s chemical weapons stockpiles, it would help if Albania’s story had a happy ending. And we — not just Americans, but everyone who cares about nonproliferation — should take special care that whatever country takes Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile isn’t left regretting that decision.

razerznak ::



No smrekca , bo kmau f35 combat operativen
vesoljec nacist fojb
#trump2016
ups https://www.rt.com/usa/339768-us-marines-aircraft-aging/

Pac-Man ::

F-35A je operativen.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lockh...

The U.S. Air Force on Tuesday declared an initial squadron of Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) F-35A fighter jets ready for combat, marking a major milestone for a program that has faced cost overruns and delays.

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"The U.S. Air Force decision to make the 15 F-35As at Hill Air Force Base combat ready sends a simple and powerful message to America's friends and foes alike - the F-35 can do its mission," F-35 program chief, Air Force Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan, said in a statement.

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Industry and U.S. defense officials say they are working hard to continue driving down the cost of the new warplanes to around $85 million per plane by 2019, as well as the cost of operating the jets.

Pac-Man ::

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2016/08/05/comma...

Lyons noted that the F-35A had completed 88 out of 88 successful sorties at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho, in June and dropped 15 out of 16 bombs on target. In the F-35 spinup program, he said, the aircraft had achieved 39 direct hits out of 40 munitions deployed.

“Of the F-35, I can say unequivocally we are only beginning to scratch the surface of what this airplane will be able to do in the future,” he said. “Make no mistake: It is extremely capable today. But it’s going to be an absolute monster in the years to come. I wouldn’t want to face it on the battlefield. As a commander of airmen, I am comfortable and confident sending my fighters downrange to fly, fight and win in this aircraft.”

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Carlisle said Monday he expects to see the F-35A deployed to the European and Pacific theaters within the next 18 months.

Pac-Man ::

Da se jamr okrog F-35 spravi malo v kontekst. Govora je o Migu-29K, verziji za letalonosilke.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens...

The Indian Navy's primary fighter operating from the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya faces operational deficiencies due to defects in engines, airframes and fly-by-wire systems, according to a report by India's autonomous auditor, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG). However, Indian Navy officials say the Russian-made MiG-29K remains the best choice available.

The report said the "aircraft MiG-29K is being technically accepted despite having discrepancies and anomalies."

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On problems with the engine, the CAG report said: "Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engined MiG-29K have been withdrawn from service/rejected due to design-related defects."

Additionally, the serviceability of the warplanes was low, ranging from 21.30 percent to 47.14 percent, according to the report.

"The roots of these problems (serviceability and defects) lie in the extremely poor quality control in the Russian military-industrial complex and dismal product support being rendered by the Russian industry to the Indian Navy for the past 25 years," Prakash said. "This is in spite of the fact that the development of the MiG-29K has been totally funded by the Indian Navy."

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"The engine-design defects should be rectified with the utmost urgency at the Russians' cost," Prakash said. "Any respectable company, conscious of its reputation, would attend to this. But the oligarchs who control the Russian military-industrial complex are too brazen, for two reasons: (a) they know that India has not choice and (b) they are confident that Indian politicians will never turn the screw on them."

Pac-Man ::

Spet F-35 spam, tokrat o stolih.

http://www.defensetech.org/2016/08/08/t...

Two equipment modifications designed to make the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's ejection seat safe for use by lightweight pilots will wrap up testing by the second week of September, a source with knowledge of ongoing efforts told Military.com.
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The two modifications under consideration are a "lightweight crew sequencer switch" that will slow parachute deployment by milliseconds after ejection, and a head support panel between ejection seat risers, Martin-Baker spokesman Richard Johnson told Military.com.

"Both have performed very well in tests," he said.

Testing on the equipment should be complete around Sept. 9, the source told Military.com. Martin-Baker executives are expected to brief the Joint Program Office and the Air Force as soon as the next week on the results of testing and to discuss a plan to retrofit existing F-35s with the equipment changes. If all goes well, those modifications will be standard in new-production F-35As by 2017.

Smrekar1 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Da se jamr okrog F-35 spravi malo v kontekst. Govora je o Migu-29K, verziji za letalonosilke.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens...


On how the aircraft could affect combat worthiness of the Navy, the CAG report said: "The service life of MiG -29K is 6,000 hours or 25 years (whichever is earlier) but the deficiencies and snags in the aircraft is likely to reduce the operational life of the aircraft, thereby affecting combat worthiness of [the Indian] Navy."

Za primerjavo, F/A-18E/F je bil ravno tako namenjen za 6 000 ur letenja, zdaj pa so to brez težav podaljšali na 10 000 ur, ker letalo enostavno še ni tako zdelano, da bi bilo za razrez.
Povedano drugače, 15 let star F/A-18E/F je še vedno boljši od novega MiG-29K. Verjetno tudi v bojnih sposobnostih. Heh.


Additionally, the serviceability of the warplanes was low, ranging from 21.30 percent to 47.14 percent, according to the report.


Pri F-35 so vsi javskali, kako je tistih 60% povsem preslabo in da je letalo zaradi tega praktično neuporabno ipd. Ruske konzerve dosežejo morda pol tega. Seveda je treba upoštevati, da je pri F-35 težava v zahtevnejšem urjenju ekip in se bo s časom zanesljivo izboljšala, pri Rusih gre pa večinoma za težave z zanič zasnovanimi motorji in težave ne bodo rešili kar tako. Heh.

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Pac-Man ::

Se odpre novo temo za F-35? :)

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2016/08/18/navy-...

Navy F-35C Landed So Precisely, It Tore Up a Runway

(...)“They were landing in the same spot on the runway every time, tearing up where the hook touches down,” Vice Adm. Mike Shoemaker, head of Naval Air Forces, told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C. Thursday. “So we quickly realized, we needed to either fix the runway or adjust, put some variants in the system. So that’s how precise this new system is.”

The new system in question is called Delta Flight Path, a built-in F-35C technology that controls glide slope and minimizes the number of variables pilots to monitor as they complete arrested carrier landings. A parallel system known as MAGIC CARPET, short for Maritime Augmented Guidance with Integrated Controls for Carrier Approach and Recovery Precision Enabling Technologies, is being developed for use with the Navy’s F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers. Together, these systems may allow carriers to operate with fewer tankers, leaving more room for other aircraft, Shoemaker said.

...

Of about 100 F-35C arrested landings completed on the carrier, he said, 80 percent engaged the 3-wire, meaning the aircraft had touched down at the ideal spot. As of Monday, there had been zero bolters, when the aircraft misses an arresting wire and must circle the carrier for another attempt.

...

“Right now we configure maybe six to eight tankers aboard the ship,” Shoemaker said. “I don’t think we need to to that many. That will give us flexibility on our strike fighter numbers, increase the Growler numbers, which I know we’re going to do, and probably E2D [Advanced Hawkeye carrier-launched radar aircraft] as well.”

7982884e ::

za sputnik bo dobro. headline:

"Disastrous F-35 damages carrier decks amid new scandal"

Smrekar1 ::

Analiza F-35

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu...

tl,dr.: F-35 je že sedaj revolucionaren, napake so že sedaj majhne, oboje se hitro izboljšuje.

jest10 ::

Slabo, slabo
Slabo vzdrževanje, al kaj jih matra?

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diler515 ::

Pac-Man je izjavil:

Da se jamr okrog F-35 spravi malo v kontekst. Govora je o Migu-29K, verziji za letalonosilke.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens...

The Indian Navy's primary fighter operating from the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya faces operational deficiencies due to defects in engines, airframes and fly-by-wire systems, according to a report by India's autonomous auditor, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG). However, Indian Navy officials say the Russian-made MiG-29K remains the best choice available.

The report said the "aircraft MiG-29K is being technically accepted despite having discrepancies and anomalies."

...

On problems with the engine, the CAG report said: "Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engined MiG-29K have been withdrawn from service/rejected due to design-related defects."

Additionally, the serviceability of the warplanes was low, ranging from 21.30 percent to 47.14 percent, according to the report.

"The roots of these problems (serviceability and defects) lie in the extremely poor quality control in the Russian military-industrial complex and dismal product support being rendered by the Russian industry to the Indian Navy for the past 25 years," Prakash said. "This is in spite of the fact that the development of the MiG-29K has been totally funded by the Indian Navy."

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"The engine-design defects should be rectified with the utmost urgency at the Russians' cost," Prakash said. "Any respectable company, conscious of its reputation, would attend to this. But the oligarchs who control the Russian military-industrial complex are too brazen, for two reasons: (a) they know that India has not choice and (b) they are confident that Indian politicians will never turn the screw on them."


evo problem je da je indija tle

tko kot arabsske vojske veljajo za nesposobne

isto je z indijskim vzdrćevanjem, nakupi in tko naprej

lohk im daš kjer kol avijon pa bo že 50% dosežek

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Pac-Man ::

jest10 je izjavil:

Slabo, slabo
Slabo vzdrževanje, al kaj jih matra?


Ker crkujejo skoraj nove ali na shakedownih je Lockheed biksnil pri razvoju ali QC. Tale je sicer Astalova, trimaran, prva z mehaničnimi težavami.

diler515 je izjavil:

isto je z indijskim vzdrćevanjem, nakupi in tko naprej

lohk im daš kjer kol avijon pa bo že 50% dosežek



Imajo Mirage 2000. So zadovoljni.

Dassault Mirage 2000 @ Wikipedia

Imajo Jaguarje. So zadovoljni.

SEPECAT Jaguar @ Wikipedia

Cervantes ::

Antinov Mrya bojo pa zdaj delali Kitajci.
Oj,the ruske konzerve...

Smrekar1 ::

Težave z MiG-29KR niso omeje zgolj na vzdrževanje.

http://www.janes.com/article/62063/indi...

Ruski izvozniki zaradi vojne v Ukrajini namreč nimajo dostopa do popotopnih komponent. V Indijo izvozijo letala, ki po opremi spominjajo na Albatrola D.V in jih tam nadgradijo v nekaj kvazi-modernega z opremo, ki jo uvozi Indija. Stroški so kajpada neprimerno višji, zadovoljnost stranke neprimerno nižja.

Drugače povedano, ukrajinska vojna Rusijo stane kar konkretno več, kot so računali.

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Invictus ::

Cervantes je izjavil:

Antinov Mrya bojo pa zdaj delali Kitajci.
Oj,the ruske konzerve...

Pravzaprav je ukrajinska. Antonov je lociran v Ukrajini.

Smrekar1 je izjavil:


Ruski izvozniki zaradi vojne v Ukrajini namreč nimajo dostopa do popotopnih komponent. V Indijo izvozijo letala, ki po opremi spominjajo na Albatrola D.V in jih tam nadgradijo v nekaj kvazi-modernega z opremo, ki jo uvozi Indija. Stroški so kajpada neprimerno višji, zadovoljnost stranke neprimerno nižja.

Indijci se dostikrat odločajo za rusko mehaniko in zahodno/izraelsko elektroniko.

Ker seveda tega ne znajo skupaj integrirati, so potem vse drugi krivi, samo oni ne...

Že videno na IT projektih...
"Life is hard; it's even harder when you're stupid."

http://goo.gl/2YuS2x

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Smrekar1 ::

Invictus je izjavil:


Indijci se dostikrat odločajo za rusko mehaniko in zahodno/izraelsko elektroniko.


Rusi tudi. Zanimivo, kajne?



Zadnji krik ruske letalske navigacije (november 2015).

Ker seveda tega ne znajo skupaj integrirati, so potem vse drugi krivi, samo oni ne...


V dotičnem primeru so nedvomno krivi Rusi, ki so Indijcem prodali kao integriran produkt, ki ga niso sposobni dobaviti, zato so jim dostavili defektnega z lastno elektroniko (po možnosti na osnovi vakuumskih cevk) in tega zdaj ne znajo vgraditi brez da bi se zadeva pokvarila vsaj 4x tedensko.

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vostok_1 ::

Smrekar1 je izjavil:

Invictus je izjavil:


Indijci se dostikrat odločajo za rusko mehaniko in zahodno/izraelsko elektroniko.


Rusi tudi. Zanimivo, kajne?



Zadnji krik ruske letalske navigacije (november 2015).

Ker seveda tega ne znajo skupaj integrirati, so potem vse drugi krivi, samo oni ne...


V dotičnem primeru so nedvomno krivi Rusi, ki so Indijcem prodali kao integriran produkt, ki ga niso sposobni dobaviti, zato so jim dostavili defektnega z lastno elektroniko (po možnosti na osnovi vakuumskih cevk) in tega zdaj ne znajo vgraditi brez da bi se zadeva pokvarila vsaj 4x tedensko.


oh lol.

In soviet russia, you navigate glonass.
There will be chutes!
It came from the lab.
Like tears in rain. Time to die. v_1 2012-21

Pac-Man ::

Bom dal semle - jutri okrog 8ih zvečer leti An-22 iz Zuricha v Tbilisi, mala možnost je, da tudi čez SLO, smo nekje na poti. Letalo ima identičen pogonski sklop kot Tu-95, tako da če kdo sliši kaj noro glasnega - to je to.

https://blog.flightradar24.com/blog/bac...



https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/ur-09...

Pac-Man ::

Prvi posnetki Armate v akciji:



Na videz deluje zelo okorno, pri 1:07 so celo pohitrili video, da bi izpadlo malo bolj dinamično. V najboljšem primeru gre za F-35 med tanki ;)

Pac-Man ::

Vikend branje

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-a-...

How A Rogue 1950s Drone Fiasco Ended With 208 Rockets Fired At Southern California


F-89D je zanimivo slepo črevo razvoja. reaktivni lovec s 104 nevodenimi raketami na konicah kril



Jedrsko gnani nadzvočni brezpilotnik s 16imi vodikovimi bombami, ki je na srečno obstal v razvoju

http://jalopnik.com/the-flying-crowbar-...

This crazy bastard had so many ways to kill you, it was like a death buffet: should I die in the nuclear blasts of the bombs themselves, or just let the shockwave of the overpassing missile kill me? Maybe I’ll just wait for the radiation sickness as this thing circles endlessly overhead, like a colossal demonic robot vulture. It’s so hard to choose!


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