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Mr.B ::

Chalky je izjavil:

The EU is considering tech-transfers for Chinese companies that want to access the European Market. China already has a similar system in place, so it would be a measure to ensure a fair balance. The EU is finally starting to act
https://x.com/NXT4EU/status/19783497144...

BLOOMBERG: EU Considers Forced Tech Transfers for Chinese Investments



The European Union is considering forcing Chinese firms to hand over technology to European companies if they want to operate locally, in an aggressive new push to make the bloc’s industry more competitive.

The measures would apply to companies seeking access to key digital and manufacturing markets like cars and batteries, according to people familiar with the plans. The rules would also require the firms to use a set amount of EU goods or labor, and to add value to the products on EU soil.

Enforcing joint ventures is another option on the table.

While the rules — expected in November — would technically apply to all non-EU firms, the goal is to keep China’s manufacturing might from overwhelming European industry, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

“We are welcoming foreign direct investment under the conditions that they are real investment,” EU Trade Commissioner Maros Sefcovic told reporters Tuesday following an EU trade ministers’ meeting in Horsens, Denmark. That means jobs created in Europe, value added in Europe and technology transfers to Europe, he said, “as European companies have been doing when they’ve been investing in China.”

The high-stakes maneuver comes at a pivotal moment for Europe. Subsidized Chinese products have overrun EU industries and Beijing’s looming restrictions on rare earth minerals are threatening to squeeze the continent’s manufacturers. But targeting China – with a page from Beijing’s protectionist playbook – is likely to provoke a backlash, potentially damaging what remains a critical trading relationship.

“Several measures are being considered to foster a strong, competitive, and decarbonised European industry,” said Thomas Regnier, a spokesperson for the European Commission, the EU’s executive arm preparing the regulations. He added that “no final decision has been made regarding the exact scope and nature of these measures.”

Tensions are already high between the two powers. The EU recently moved to double tariffs on steel imports, which would hit cheap Chinese imports. Days later, Beijing said it would adopt new export controls on vital rare earth minerals, prompting EU calls to further limit the bloc’s economic dependency on China.

China Rare Earths Policy Misunderstood, Think Tank Says



The EU has spent the last several years vowing to protect domestic manufacturers from China. The forthcoming regulations will accelerate that effort, arriving as part of a legislative proposal called the Industrial Accelerator Act.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen described the legislation in September as a way to boost Europe’s next-generation industries.

“The future of clean tech will continue to be made in Europe,” she said in an annual address to the European Parliament. “But for that, we also need to make sure that our industry has the materials here in Europe.”
She added: “In sum, when it comes to digital and clean tech: faster, smarter and more European.”

With its plan, the EU is mimicking Beijing, which has long put strict parameters on outside firms wanting to enter its market. Simultaneously, China has invested heavily in Europe and other parts of the world through its Belt and Road Initiative, hoovering up technical knowledge in the process.



“China is flexing its muscles, using trade interdependencies for political gain,” EU Economy Commissioner Valdis Dombrovskis told the American Enterprise Institute in Washington on Tuesday.

Danish Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said the EU “should be inspired” by these actions, speaking after the EU trade ministers’ meeting. “We find ourselves in new circumstances. It’s not just about free trade, free trade, free trade, even though we subscribe to this idea.”

Europe has been struggling with anemic growth and weak investment, dragged down by the sluggish performance of Germany, its largest economy. As European industry looks for ways to protect their business models, lobby groups have been calling for the commission to consider drastic action to gain access to technologies where China has gained an edge.

“It’s essential that foreign investments, such as in batteries and other clean tech, come with technology transfer and the skilling of European workforce,” said Victor van Hoorn, director at the industry group Cleantech for Europe. “This needs to be agreed upon at EU level.”

Rasmussen backed up the idea: “If we invite China’s investments to Europe, it must come with the precondition that we also have some kind of technology transfer.”

A key plank of the upcoming proposal will aim to help Europe’s nascent electric-vehicle industry, said people familiar with the plan. It will specifically focus on the transfers of battery technology know-how, given that EU automakers are often reliant on China for these components in electric vehicles, leaving them behind Chinese peers, like BYD Co.

Chinese car companies have already been scaling up their presence in Europe, with BYD investing in a plant in Hungary and pledging to ramp up EV battery production across the continent. CATL, one of China’s most advanced battery makers, is planning to send 2,000 workers to build and staff a €4 billion ($4.6 billion) battery plant in Spain in a joint venture with Stellantis.


Under the proposal, foreign carmakers wanting to sell cars in the EU would have to locally source a specific amount of goods and services. Also under consideration is a requirement that foreign-owned plants hire EU workers, according to one of the people.
The package will also simplify the permitting process for European companies.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles...

Se še komu zdi bolano da so se tega v Evropi šele zdaj spomnili in ne 15 let nazaj?

Da sploh so Kitajci TAKO neumni da bod karkoli dali, če lahko Evropa zaseže tako , po diktatu svojega šefa v Ameriki. Še en primer, kako so se Evropejci odrekli lastni suverenosti.

Primer 1 :
The Dutch government has taken control of Nexperia, a Chinese-owned chipmaker based in the Netherlands, in a bid to safeguard the European supply of semiconductors for cars and other electronic goods and protect Europe's economic security.

Primer 2:
Last week, European leaders met in Copenhagen to discuss using frozen Russian assets for a €140 billion ($162bn) loan to Ukraine. The proposal received significant support and will continue to be discussed during the upcoming European Council meeting on October 23-24.


Nom rezultat, biših velesil je pa sledeči...
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

fikus_ ::

Seveda, po eni stani bi top EU politični "špitzenkandidati" zahtevali, da Kitajci vlagajo v EU, po drugi strani pa so že pokazali, da ne razmišljajo in če se jim sprdne, zamrznejo, zasežejo lastnino, iščejo luknje v zakonodaji, kako bi lastnino legalno ukradli,...
Kitajci niso priplavali po župi, da ne bi videli tega. V glavnem kratkoročno populistično razmišljanje EU top politične elite.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!

Mr.B ::

Primer : Samo danajšnje... verjento po štirih letih pač malo prepozno..

Merz Calls for Reforms to Save Europe's Economy The Chancellor Warns That Without Bold Action, Europe Risks Becoming a Pawn of the U.S. and Asia


Ali pa
Merz says Germany and EU must 'bring its power to bear'

Povprečni britanc pa ima standard danes skorja kot poljak....Ki je po odhodu moral nazaj na poljsko...

Pustimo katere EU države najbolj razlagajo da bo rusija jutri, danes pa je..
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Chalky ::

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz calls for single European stock exchange
Endorsement comes after Berlin signals readiness to allow more centralised markets supervision



Chancellor Friedrich Merz has called for the establishment of a single European stock exchange, signalling German support for plans to unify the bloc's capital markets. "We need a kind of European stock exchange so that successful companies such as biotech firms from Germany do not have to go to the New York Stock Exchange," said Merz in a speech to the Bundestag on Thursday. "Our companies need a sufficiently broad and deep capital market so that they can finance themselves better and, above all, faster."

Merz's comments come as his government recently agreed to intensify collaboration with France to advance the EU's capital markets union (CMU), including by handing over powers to a single European supervisor -- abandoning Berlin's previous reluctance to shifting regulatory powers to EU bodies.

EU plans for capital markets integration have stalled in large part due to Germany's opposition to shifting supervision from the Bonn-based BaFin to the European Securities and Markets Authority (Esma), which is headquartered in Paris. Other countries including Luxembourg and Cyprus are also against centralised supervision.

The CMU -- and a single watchdog mirroring the US Securities Exchange Commission -- were among the priorities listed by former European Central Bank chief Mario Draghi in his report about how Europe can regain its competitive edge against global rivals including China and the US.

Germany's finance minister Lars Klingbeil has recently agreed to explore areas where centralised supervision is warranted as part of Franco-German preparatory work on the CMU, three people with knowledge of the matter previously told the Financial Times.

Merz, who advised US asset manager BlackRock and sat on the board of Deutsche Börse before returning to politics in 2018, is backing the push on CMU as part of his efforts to revive the German economy after three years of stagnation.

In his speech ahead of an EU summit next week, Merz outlined a plan for greater EU integration, less regulation and the implementation of recommendations made by Draghi and another former Italian PM, Enrico Letta, on how to eliminate remaining barriers on the bloc's single market of goods, capital, labour and services.

"Mario Draghi's report shows that much of the growth gap between the EU and the US is due to insufficient productivity growth in Europe," Merz said. "Productivity is the most important prerequisite for competitiveness . . . Europe will only become more productive if it changes profoundly."

Among EU members pushing for greater capital markets integration, France has argued that unified EU oversight of systemic financial infrastructure, such as stock exchanges and central counterparties, will set consistent standards across the bloc, reduce market fragmentation and cut compliance costs for cross-border operators.
The European Commission is working on proposals due this year on empowering Esma with additional supervisory powers of selected entities such as central counterparties, central securities depositories, trading venues, as well as cryptocurrency exchanges. Berlin, however, is for now opposed to Esma oversight on crypto.


https://www.ft.com/content/040f4829-e2b...

To je korak v pravo smer ampak je vprašanje kdaj bi zares do tega prišlo. Trenutni delniški trg celotne Evrope skupaj je $15T, Ameriški je že skoraj $70T, če bodo čakali tam do 2030 bi lahko bila razlika takrat že $100T.

fikus_ ::

Nemska politika spet vsiljuje svoje 8deje drugim, da Nemčiji resuje rit, zaradi napacnih odlocitev te iste nemške plitike.
Že videno, upam da bodo jim bodo politiki drugih drzav nastavili ogledalo.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!

Malidelničar ::

Chalky, fikus: saj je že Euronext.
Ne štekam.
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

Mr.B ::

Malidelničar je izjavil:

Chalky, fikus: saj je že Euronext.
Ne štekam.

Pač iznajdimo nekaj novega...EU se pač še vedno smeši da bo nadomestila $, z lastno tiskalnico...

No prejšni teden ...
Debt in several EU countries is on potentially explosive path, IMF warns

In danes
France downgraded by S&P as budget uncertainty ‘remains elevated’
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Mr.B ::

Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Chalky ::

Trump's narco strikes threaten to reroute drugs to Europe, German official warns
"Criminal networks respond with detours, new transit countries, and often even more potent 'substitute substances,'" German drug and addiction commissioner says.



U.S. President Donald Trump's war on drugs threatens to result in even more illegal narcotics flooding into Europe, according to a top German expert.

The American administration has, in recent weeks, launched airstrikes against what it says are South American drug traffickers in the Caribbean and Pacific Ocean.

"A tougher U.S. crackdown on drug cartels in Colombia and Venezuela is unlikely to ease the situation in Europe or Germany -- on the contrary: Experience shows that criminal networks respond with detours, new transit countries, and often even more potent 'substitute substances,'" German Drug and Addiction Commissioner and virologist Hendrik Streeck told German tabloid BILD late Thursday.

"For Germany, that would mean possible shifts along sea and land routes, as well as in digital distribution. We already have highly dynamic structures of organized crime -- especially online. The U.S. administration's announced 'war on drugs' could further intensify this," he added.

Streeck, who is pushing for a partial rollback of Germany's cannabis legalization, described the narcotics situation in Germany as an "impending" crisis. He warned that cocaine prices are falling, that consumers are getting younger and drug-related deaths among people under 30 would rise dramatically.

According to the EU Drugs Agency, cocaine availability continues to increase across Europe. In 2023, for the seventh consecutive year, EU member countries reported a record amount of cocaine seized.

The U.S. government expanded its campaign against drug traffickers this week. On Tuesday, American forces launched an attack on a suspected smuggling vessel off Colombia's western coast, killing two people. The strike fueled tensions between the two countries.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth confirmed the lethal strike in a social media post, saying such operations would continue "day after day."


https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-...

Trumpa kritizirajo ker želi ustaviti kartele, nekateri Evropski voditelji ga celo kritizirajo. Me zanima kaj se bo zgodilo ko bodo Karteli začeli masovno pošiljati droge in fentanil v Evropo. Verjetno se ne bo zgodilo nič, vsaj dokler ne bodo po večjih mestih v Evropi začeli hoditi Zombiji.

Pa v Evropi bi jim verjetno sodili (če bi jih uspeli ujeti) in bi cel proces trajal verjetno 3-5 let.

endelin ::

Vsaka čast Trumpu da z dilerskimi izmečki dela to kar je edino pravilno.

Samael ::

Chalky je izjavil:

Pa v Evropi bi jim verjetno sodili (če bi jih uspeli ujeti) in bi cel proces trajal verjetno 3-5 let.

Ja, v demokracijah imamo sodišča.
Samael != Samuel

Scaramouche3 ::

Ms. von der Leyen: You couldn't even run a lemonade stand!

Kayzon ::

Kaj je end game s temi ilegalnimi priseljenci, misli kdo kej ukrepat ali? :O

Scaramouche3 ::

Kayzon je izjavil:

Kaj je end game s temi ilegalnimi priseljenci, misli kdo kej ukrepat ali? :O

White guilt ima veliko držav,ki ga potem vsiljujejo.
Zgornji del desnice, ki ima v lasti podjetja, hoče poceni delavce,ki jih raje plačajo 3x ceneje kot domorodce..
Krivi so oboji!

Scaramouche3 ::

IREExit?

DUBLIN -- She's slammed NATO, voted against EU treaties, been accused of offering propaganda boosts for dictators from Russia to Syria -- and now she's on track to become Ireland's next president.
Socialist critic of NATO and EU poised to win Ireland's presidency

Independent socialist Catherine Connolly's coolness to Brussels and hostility to Donald Trump put her at odds with the Irish government.

Noah0024 ::

Ko se tako rado vse kritizira...ali se vsi zavedate, da je EU rešitev, ki je nastala, da se narodi na tej celini med sabo ne bombajo?

Kaj nam preostane brez EU? Nazaj v teritorialne čase? A so se zato boril naši dedki in babice, ko so bili deportirani v Dachau, Mauthausen itd?

Kaj je alternativa? Nazaj v Jugo? Je Hrvat naš brat? Pa Srb?

Kakšna je rešitev ob upoštevanju, da nič na svetu ni perfektnega?

Scaramouche3 ::

Noah0024 je izjavil:

Ko se tako rado vse kritizira...ali se vsi zavedate, da je EU rešitev, ki je nastala, da se narodi na tej celini med sabo ne bombajo?

Kaj nam preostane brez EU? Nazaj v teritorialne čase? A so se zato boril naši dedki in babice, ko so bili deportirani v Dachau, Mauthausen itd?

Kaj je alternativa? Nazaj v Jugo? Je Hrvat naš brat? Pa Srb?

Kakšna je rešitev ob upoštevanju, da nič na svetu ni perfektnega?


Zanimivo, Hrvatje in Srbi niso tvoji bratje,Nemci,Avstrijci pa so?

Seveda sem za EU, pa še več za EU vojsko, še več,da Balkan not pride, da je manj možnosti,da Rusija vpliva na njih!

Kje si ti razbral da je moj copy paste irske kandidatke,ki ne mara EU, podpora njej?

Noah0024 ::

Scaramouche3 je izjavil:

Noah0024 je izjavil:

Ko se tako rado vse kritizira...ali se vsi zavedate, da je EU rešitev, ki je nastala, da se narodi na tej celini med sabo ne bombajo?

Kaj nam preostane brez EU? Nazaj v teritorialne čase? A so se zato boril naši dedki in babice, ko so bili deportirani v Dachau, Mauthausen itd?

Kaj je alternativa? Nazaj v Jugo? Je Hrvat naš brat? Pa Srb?

Kakšna je rešitev ob upoštevanju, da nič na svetu ni perfektnega?


Zanimivo, Hrvatje in Srbi niso tvoji bratje,Nemci,Avstrijci pa so?

Seveda sem za EU, pa še več za EU vojsko, še več,da Balkan not pride, da je manj možnosti,da Rusija vpliva na njih!

Kje si ti razbral da je moj copy paste irske kandidatke,ki ne mara EU, podpora njej?


Nisem na tebe pikiral.

Moj post je bil spisan generalno.

Zadeve niso tako enoznačne.

mtosev ::

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lynxslo5 ::

Scaramouche3 je izjavil:

IREExit?

DUBLIN -- She's slammed NATO, voted against EU treaties, been accused of offering propaganda boosts for dictators from Russia to Syria -- and now she's on track to become Ireland's next president.
Socialist critic of NATO and EU poised to win Ireland's presidency

Independent socialist Catherine Connolly's coolness to Brussels and hostility to Donald Trump put her at odds with the Irish government.


Irska je od vseh držav najbolj profitirala zaradi vstopa v EU. Irska je bila še v 80ih zelo revna država in je obogatela zaradi pomoči EU fondov. Oni ne bodo šli nikoli ven iz EU. Ta zblojena levičarka bo pa v primeru izvolitve itak imela samo protokolarne pristojnosti.
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Zgodovina sprememb…

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Daniel ::

Scaramouche3 je izjavil:

Kayzon je izjavil:

Kaj je end game s temi ilegalnimi priseljenci, misli kdo kej ukrepat ali? :O

White guilt ima veliko držav,ki ga potem vsiljujejo.
Zgornji del desnice, ki ima v lasti podjetja, hoče poceni delavce,ki jih raje plačajo 3x ceneje kot domorodce..
Krivi so oboji!


Želiš povedati, da levičarji nimajo podjetij in se bolj ali manj kostantno šlepajo na proračun? Kakšna je torej korist?

borut_p ::

Ta vikend smo v italiji. Kaksna greznica evrope so severna mesta. Ce je to prihodnost evrope - upam da se desnica cim prej zbudi - pa ne mislim desnico na papirju ki samo laja.

endelin ::

Volivci so se odločili, da se uvaža ljudi iz tretjega sveta.

Daniel ::

Kje je bilo to referendumsko vprašanje?

David Mayer ::

Angela Merkel, pa res, menda nekdanja vzhodnonemška kemičarka. Aja, Wikipedia ni zanesljiv vir, se opravičujem :D

endelin ::

Na vsakokratnih volitvah je to vprašanje.

Če nočete kameruncev ki bi želeli postati župani manjšega kraja v Sloveniji se bo treba preseliti v Budimpešto

Zgodovina sprememb…

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D3m ::

endelin je izjavil:

Volivci so se odločili, da se uvaža ljudi iz tretjega sveta.


Pokaži nam to referendumsko vprašanje?
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endelin ::

Zakaj referendum?
Tile mojstri so v vladi. Kaj ni jasno? Ljudje so dobili to kar so volili



Zgodovina sprememb…

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David Mayer ::

Ti dve gospe-političarki sta se priklenili res na top manekena za motivacijo še ostalim sledilkam, zagotovo so bile deležne kakšnih pomenljivih in namigujočih nasmehov...

c3p0 ::

Lahko se je ke priklenit na migranta, sploh če si genetsko 100% zaščiten proti spolnim napadom.

sealcradle ::

Neumnost teh evropskih voditeljev je res komična. Obstaja nevarnost, da Kitajska vpliva na poslovanje podjetja v skladu z interesi CCP! Naredimo hostile takeover podjetja, da zagotovimo varnost!

Kitajska: prepoved izvoza Nexperia izdelkov iz Kitajske.
EU: Neeeee, kaj pa naša avto industrija????

Kako se sploh lahko delajo presenečene? Tudi brez tega je vse skupaj že neokusno za gledat.

David Mayer ::

sealcradle je izjavil:

Kako se sploh lahko delajo presenečene? Tudi brez tega je vse skupaj že neokusno za gledat.

Stvar je zagotovo zmenjena, vprašanje je, s kom. Ampak samo pogumno, narod bo vse pozlatil. Kolikor ga bo pač ostalo, menda nas je tako preveč, čeprav tekoča reprodukcija kaže v drugo smer, migracij?

Mr.B ::

sealcradle je izjavil:

Neumnost teh evropskih voditeljev je res komična. Obstaja nevarnost, da Kitajska vpliva na poslovanje podjetja v skladu z interesi CCP! Naredimo hostile takeover podjetja, da zagotovimo varnost!

Kitajska: prepoved izvoza Nexperia izdelkov iz Kitajske.
EU: Neeeee, kaj pa naša avto industrija????

Kako se sploh lahko delajo presenečene? Tudi brez tega je vse skupaj že neokusno za gledat.

Nizozemci so zavzeli Nexperi*-ijo, kjer jim je Trump grozil No Nizozemcem z ekonomskimi sankcijami. Ampak če bi bila EU dejansko skupnost, ne posamezne države, ki sanjajo o dobrih starih časi kolonializma, bi EU na Trumpovo grožnjo odgovorila. Tako pa je Nizozemka naredila to kar je mislila da je njen , ne EU interes.


Enako kot se skupnost kaže z blodnjami bivših kolonialnih velesil, z zajetjem Ruskih stacionarnih investicij, ki jih tudi med drugo svetovno vojno niso zavezniku odvzeli Nemcem. Potem pa se seveda nekateri vprašajo, v EU seveda, kdo bo vse prispeval za plačilo, če zgubimo na sodiščih. Zagotovo bodo kivi Madžari.. pustimo da naslednjih 50 let ne bo nihče resno investiral v EU.
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

D3m ::

Ampak če bi bila EU dejansko skupnost, ne posamezne države,


Nikoli se nismo s tem strinjali.
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Mr.B ::

D3m je izjavil:

Ampak če bi bila EU dejansko skupnost, ne posamezne države,


Nikoli se nismo s tem strinjali.

Sreča da se potem kot "EU grupiranje" prostovoljno odpove suverenosti. Pa tu ne mislim posameznih članic do EU ampak EU napram ostalemu svetu.
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

D3m ::

Tudi glede suverenosti smo na slabšem.

Bivši kolonialisti diktirajo drugim v EU kako moramo živeti in, da je mera polna se še med seboj ne marajo.
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Malidelničar ::

borut_p je izjavil:

Ta vikend smo v italiji. Kaksna greznica evrope so severna mesta. Ce je to prihodnost evrope - upam da se desnica cim prej zbudi - pa ne mislim desnico na papirju ki samo laja.

Lahko malce opišeš? V katerih krajih ste bili?
Don't invest like a Joe. Invest like a Simon.

zodiak ::

Noah0024 je izjavil:

Ko se tako rado vse kritizira...ali se vsi zavedate, da je EU rešitev, ki je nastala, da se narodi na tej celini med sabo ne bombajo?

Kaj nam preostane brez EU? Nazaj v teritorialne čase? A so se zato boril naši dedki in babice, ko so bili deportirani v Dachau, Mauthausen itd?

Kaj je alternativa? Nazaj v Jugo? Je Hrvat naš brat? Pa Srb?

Kakšna je rešitev ob upoštevanju, da nič na svetu ni perfektnega?


Z jugo takšno ali drugačno je konec. Nihče si je ne želi nazaj . Najmanj pa Hrvati in Bosanci. To kar je Srbija naredila je zločin največji, ki se je zgodil na naših tleh... Kdo nam garantira, da se nebo zgodovina spet ponovila....

LeQuack ::

Kaj pa nazaj v Avstro-Ogrsko?
Quack !

zodiak ::

Ne. Sami za sebe je pomoje še najboljš. Avstrijci in Nemci so med 2. Sv. Vojno razkosali Slovenijo na 3 dele. Zato smo se tudi takrat verjetno odločili za SFRJ....

zodiak ::

zodiak je izjavil:

Noah0024 je izjavil:

Ko se tako rado vse kritizira...ali se vsi zavedate, da je EU rešitev, ki je nastala, da se narodi na tej celini med sabo ne bombajo?

Kaj nam preostane brez EU? Nazaj v teritorialne čase? A so se zato boril naši dedki in babice, ko so bili deportirani v Dachau, Mauthausen itd?

Kaj je alternativa? Nazaj v Jugo? Je Hrvat naš brat? Pa Srb?

Kakšna je rešitev ob upoštevanju, da nič na svetu ni perfektnega?


Z jugo takšno ali drugačno je konec. Nihče si je ne želi nazaj . Najmanj pa Hrvati in Bosanci. To kar je Srbija naredila je zločin največji, ki se je zgodil na naših tleh... Kdo nam garantira, da se nebo zgodovina spet ponovila....
Plan velike Srbije. Itd... :))

Goran10 ::

Daniel je izjavil:

Kje je bilo to referendumsko vprašanje?



Referendumi so predvsem orodje opozicije. Pozicija pa itak nima potrebe po njih ker ima že večino v parlamentu. Večino pridobljeno na volitvah.

bbbbbb2024 ::

Mr.B je izjavil:


Da sploh so Kitajci TAKO neumni da bod karkoli dali, če lahko Evropa zaseže tako , po diktatu svojega šefa v Ameriki. Še en primer, kako so se Evropejci odrekli lastni suverenosti.

Primer 1 :
The Dutch government has taken control of Nexperia, a Chinese-owned chipmaker based in the Netherlands, in a bid to safeguard the European supply of semiconductors for cars and other electronic goods and protect Europe's economic security.


Prim,er iz Nizozemske je tak, da je nizozemska firma, v lasti Kitajcev, ki proizvaja čpe, odpustila vse nizozemske managerje, ter naročila 10x več materiala iz svoje kitajske dobaviteljske firme. Tega nizozemska firma ne bo mogla plačati, kar bi jo lahko vodilo v bankrot, kar bi odprlo (direktna) vrata Kitajcem. Zapovrh bi ves denar transferirala Kitajcem.

To je problem tukaj. In opozorilo, hkrati.

Zgodovina sprememb…

fikus_ ::

Imaš kakšen vir za to?!
Uradno je NL oblast uporabila nek prastari člen, da je lahko upravljalsko prevzela firmo.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!

Mr.B ::

bbbbbb2024 je izjavil:

Mr.B je izjavil:


Da sploh so Kitajci TAKO neumni da bod karkoli dali, če lahko Evropa zaseže tako , po diktatu svojega šefa v Ameriki. Še en primer, kako so se Evropejci odrekli lastni suverenosti.

Primer 1 :
The Dutch government has taken control of Nexperia, a Chinese-owned chipmaker based in the Netherlands, in a bid to safeguard the European supply of semiconductors for cars and other electronic goods and protect Europe's economic security.


Prim,er iz Nizozemske je tak, da je nizozemska firma, v lasti Kitajcev, ki proizvaja čpe, odpustila vse nizozemske managerje, ter naročila 10x več materiala iz svoje kitajske dobaviteljske firme. Tega nizozemska firma ne bo mogla plačati, kar bi jo lahko vodilo v bankrot, kar bi odprlo (direktna) vrata Kitajcem. Zapovrh bi ves denar transferirala Kitajcem.

To je problem tukaj. In opozorilo, hkrati.


Sej vem, sedaj je zgodba, pač primerna za Evropejskega Plebejca da ni vzrok da je TACO zahteval, ampak Nexperia over fears it was being gutted - sources. Imam občutek, da to ne funkcionira v kapitalizma


Ps : To se sprejem kot, da je edini mirovna pot v ukjini taka ko Evropa lahko postavlja pogoje, in ne relanost, da vedno bolj tonemo, ker nas BK za ukrjice, tiset male, ne tiste ki se okoli šetajo.
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

Mr.B ::

No skrajni čas, da sebi Evropejci nalijemo čiste vode, in se nehamo pretvarjati, oziroma skrivati da zagovarjamo tiste mednarodne norme in smo boljši od , kot radi asociiramo osi zla.. V končni fazi, bi danes morali Evropejci že zdavnaj imeti pod sekcijami Izraelce in Američane, ter vse ki ne samo gazijo ampak tudi izvajajo sankcije ter ostale pritiske na te mednarodne organizacije.

Pač od države v EU , ki zagovarja terorizem nad EU infrastrukturo in istočasno biti član EU....


Polish PM Tusk hints at leaving European Convention on Human Rights
Claiming that your political opponents support Russia one day and to consider withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights the next takes some gall," he wrote on X.

Tusk has accused Poland's right-wing opposition parties of being pro-Russian. That is despite the fact that the main opposition Conservatives (PiS) had opposed Tusk's support for then-US president Barack Obama's "reset" of relations with Russia.



Ps: sej vem da so krivi Madžari:))
Lol se Hutiji delajo Facpalm USA:
A Navy fighter jet fell overboard Monday when the USS Harry S. Truman
aircraft carrier veered to avoid fire from the Houthis

bm1973 ::

bbbbbb2024 je izjavil:


Prim,er iz Nizozemske je tak, da je nizozemska firma, v lasti Kitajcev, ki proizvaja čpe, odpustila vse nizozemske managerje, ter naročila 10x več materiala iz svoje kitajske dobaviteljske firme. Tega nizozemska firma ne bo mogla plačati, kar bi jo lahko vodilo v bankrot, kar bi odprlo (direktna) vrata Kitajcem. Zapovrh bi ves denar transferirala Kitajcem.

In zakaj lastnik ne bi smel odpustiti ljudi, ki jih ne mara?

Zato so postopki in zakonodaja, pa se jih rešiš.

Kaj bi odprlo vrata Kitajcem, če so pa že lastniki?!?!?!?!

Itak hočejo čim več denarja iz Nizozemske spraviti na Kitajsko, saj so lastniki od tam. Ni to nič nenavadnega, to počnejo vse zahodne firme, da preko transfernih cen kanalizirajo denar tja, kjer so nižji davki... Ko pa to delajo Kitajci, pa ogenj v strehi...

Mr.B je izjavil:

No skrajni čas, da sebi Evropejci nalijemo čiste vode, in se nehamo pretvarjati, oziroma skrivati da zagovarjamo tiste mednarodne norme in smo boljši od , kot radi asociiramo osi zla.. V končni fazi, bi danes morali Evropejci že zdavnaj imeti pod sekcijami Izraelce in Američane, ter vse ki ne samo gazijo ampak tudi izvajajo sankcije ter ostale pritiske na te mednarodne organizacije.

Pač od države v EU , ki zagovarja terorizem nad EU infrastrukturo in istočasno biti član EU....


Polish PM Tusk hints at leaving European Convention on Human Rights
Claiming that your political opponents support Russia one day and to consider withdrawing from the European Convention on Human Rights the next takes some gall," he wrote on X.

Tusk has accused Poland's right-wing opposition parties of being pro-Russian. That is despite the fact that the main opposition Conservatives (PiS) had opposed Tusk's support for then-US president Barack Obama's "reset" of relations with Russia.



Ps: sej vem da so krivi Madžari:))

Poljaki so se precejk povezali z ZDA in dobili spet tisti petelinji greben. Očitno je spet čas, da začnejo srati po Evropi, kot so to počeli od leta 1000...

Zgodovina sprememb…

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D3m ::

Spet bodo hijene evrope. :D
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Poldi112 ::

Noah0024 je izjavil:

Ko se tako rado vse kritizira...ali se vsi zavedate, da je EU rešitev, ki je nastala, da se narodi na tej celini med sabo ne bombajo?


Aja? Zanimiva ideja, da se oni, ki odločajo o teh stvareh, odločajo na podlagi skrbi za narode.

V praksi je pa nastala bolj zato, da je prisilila nemce in francoze v sodelovanje po vojni, kar je bilo potrebno za skupno obrambo proti komunističnemu polu.

Noah0024 je izjavil:


Kaj nam preostane brez EU? Nazaj v teritorialne čase? A so se zato boril naši dedki in babice, ko so bili deportirani v Dachau, Mauthausen itd?


Kakšne teritorialne čase?


Noah0024 je izjavil:


Kaj je alternativa? Nazaj v Jugo? Je Hrvat naš brat? Pa Srb?


Juga, Višegrajska skupina, BRICS, kaj četrtega, ... opcij je na tone - če si suveren.

Ja, hrvati in srbi so naši bratje.

Noah0024 je izjavil:


Kakšna je rešitev ob upoštevanju, da nič na svetu ni perfektnega?


Pragmatizem.
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.

Poldi112 ::

zodiak je izjavil:

Z jugo takšno ali drugačno je konec.


Zakaj že? Če smo lahko v uniji z onimi, ki so klali naše dedke, zakaj ne bi mogli biti z onimi, ki so prišli na 10 dnevni izlet s tanki ter nato mirno zapustili državo?

zodiak je izjavil:


Nihče si je ne želi nazaj .


A je kdo rekel, da mora biti ista? Saj imamo lahko rdeče kapce in modre zvezde.

zodiak je izjavil:


To kar je Srbija naredila je zločin največji, ki se je zgodil na naših tleh...


In kaj so naredili tako hudega, da seže go dležnjev zločinom, ki so jih počeli nemci in italijani?


zodiak je izjavil:


Kdo nam garantira, da se nebo zgodovina spet ponovila....


Tisti, ki nam garantira, da nas nemci in italijani ne bodo ponovno napadli. Zato pa smo v NATO - da nas branijo pred njimi samimi!
Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.
Walter Lippmann, leta 1922, o predpogoju za demokracijo.
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