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US Air Force Next Generation Air Dominance
Ales78 ::
Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo.
O katerem ruskem dronu za $500 naj bi to zgoraj držalo?
Besede nisem rekel o ruskih dronih? Priznavata pa obe strani kvaliteto nasprotnikovih dronov, tako Ukrajina kot Rusija. Če najdem vir, bom nalepil.
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Strel455 ::
Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo.
O katerem ruskem dronu za $500 naj bi to zgoraj držalo?
Besede nisem rekel o ruskih dronih?
rekel si, da tole drži:
" Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k... "
Ales78 ::
Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo.
O katerem ruskem dronu za $500 naj bi to zgoraj držalo?
Besede nisem rekel o ruskih dronih?
rekel si, da tole drži:
" Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k... "
Ja, Ukrajince. Za Ruse nimam informacij. Gre pa za verjetno enak šmorn.
Strel455 ::
Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo.
O katerem ruskem dronu za $500 naj bi to zgoraj držalo?
Besede nisem rekel o ruskih dronih?
rekel si, da tole drži:
" Dron, ki stane Ruse/Ukrajince 500 USD, naredi ameriška orožarska industrija za 100k... "
Ja, Ukrajince. Za Ruse nimam informacij. Gre pa za verjetno enak šmorn.
O katerem jebenem dronu je govora? MODEL DRONA, a je res tako težko razumet vprašanje?
Ales78 ::
O katerem jebenem dronu je govora? MODEL DRONA, a je res tako težko razumet vprašanje?
Ja je, ker ni natančno. Jaz pa sem odgovoril znotraj mojih sposobnosti, oprosti, ker mi droni niso zadnji fetiš.
Bil je nek interview z enim od razvijalcev Ukrajinskih dronov in drug, z razvijalcem Ruskih dronov. Pa ga ne najdem, če tebi uspe, prosim prilepi.
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Strel455 ::
O katerem jebenem dronu je govora? MODEL DRONA, a je res tako težko razumet vprašanje?
Ja je, ker ni natančno. Jaz pa sem odgovoril znotraj mojih sposobnosti, oprosti, ker mi droni niso zadnji fetiš.
Skratka tudi ti si zlagal, ko si pisal tole:
"Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo."
Ales78 ::
O katerem jebenem dronu je govora? MODEL DRONA, a je res tako težko razumet vprašanje?
Ja je, ker ni natančno. Jaz pa sem odgovoril znotraj mojih sposobnosti, oprosti, ker mi droni niso zadnji fetiš.
Skratka tudi ti si zlagal, ko si pisal tole:
"Žal drži. Na začetku so ZDA dobavljali njihove drone (malega formata, za večje ne vem), pa so se izkazali za neuporabne, zato je Ukrajina šla v svojo proizvodnjo."
Jah, če Ukrajina laže... ne bi bilo prvič. Samo ponovil sem za njimi.
Pa tudi, da se videa ne najde več na yt tudi ni več nič nenavadnega.
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Strel455 ::
Jah, če Ukrajina laže... ne bi bilo prvič. Samo ponovil sem za njimi.
Skratka, čisto nič ne veš. Zakaj si tukaj in pišeš te bedarije?
En Shared stane Rusijo na primer $35k.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/calculati...
Poleg tega, je tema o "AIR DOMINANCE". S kakšnim dronom za $500 boš ti zganjal air dominance??!?!
Pridete na ta forum, pa samo nekaj nabijate na pamet. Fakinega pojma nimate.
PS: Edini ruski dron s katerim se bi lahko delal air dominance je Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B in vsi vemo, kako je šlo nazadnje, ko so ga "učinkoviti" Rusi uporabili v Ukrajini.
Operational history
At 10:43 (UTC) on the day of the crash NASA's FIRMS detected a fire near a row of farm houses between Chasiv Yar and Kostiantynivka
On 5 October 2024, an S-70 was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian Su-57, near Kostiantynivka, in Ukraine.[31][32][33]
Together the S-70 and the Su-57 had taken off from Akhtubinsk Air Base 365 miles (587 km) behind the front line for an operational test flight. The drone apparently lost contact with its ground control and flew in the direction of Ukrainian-controlled territory. By the time attempts to regain control had been abandoned, the drone had crossed the front line into Ukraine and, subsequently, the Russian Su-57 deliberately shot it down. Identifiable pieces of the wreckage included a large, fairly intact portion of a wing and burned parts of a UMPB D-30SN glide bomb and a turbofan engine.[34][35][36] The crash site was reportedly targeted by a Russian Iskander ballistic missile in an apparent attempt to deny Ukraine and its allies access to the wreckage, but crash site footage indicated that the wreckage had already been recovered by Ukrainian police for further analysis
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Ales78 ::
Jah, če Ukrajina laže... ne bi bilo prvič. Samo ponovil sem za njimi.
Skratka, čisto nič ne veš. Zakaj si tukaj in pišeš te bedarije?
En Shared stane Rusijo na primer $35k.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/calculati...
Poleg tega, je tema o "AIR DOMINANCE". S kakšnim dronom za $500 boš ti zganjal air dominance??!?!
Pridete na ta forum, pa samo nekaj nabijate na pamet. Fakinega pojma nimate.
PS: Edini ruski dron s katerim se bi lahko delal air dominance je Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B in vsi vemo, kako je šlo nazadnje, ko so ga "učinkoviti" Rusi uporabili v Ukrajini.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JggFsLrW...
Operational history
At 10:43 (UTC) on the day of the crash NASA's FIRMS detected a fire near a row of farm houses between Chasiv Yar and Kostiantynivka
On 5 October 2024, an S-70 was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian Su-57, near Kostiantynivka, in Ukraine.[31][32][33]
Together the S-70 and the Su-57 had taken off from Akhtubinsk Air Base 365 miles (587 km) behind the front line for an operational test flight. The drone apparently lost contact with its ground control and flew in the direction of Ukrainian-controlled territory. By the time attempts to regain control had been abandoned, the drone had crossed the front line into Ukraine and, subsequently, the Russian Su-57 deliberately shot it down. Identifiable pieces of the wreckage included a large, fairly intact portion of a wing and burned parts of a UMPB D-30SN glide bomb and a turbofan engine.[34][35][36] The crash site was reportedly targeted by a Russian Iskander ballistic missile in an apparent attempt to deny Ukraine and its allies access to the wreckage, but crash site footage indicated that the wreckage had already been recovered by Ukrainian police for further analysis
Jaz ti samo povem, kar so povedali Ukrajinci o ameriških dronih. Ne vem, zakaj si to tako k srcu jemlješ in se razburjaš. Še manj mi je jasno, zakaj Ruse vlačiš v vse skupaj.
A zna na tem forumu sploh še kdo normalno komunicirat? Če morda nisi opazil, tvoja komunikacija je groba in neotesana.
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Strel455 ::
Jaz ti samo povem, kar so povedali Ukrajinci o ameriških dronih. Ne vem, zakaj si to tako k srcu jemlješ in se razburjaš.
A zna na tem forumu sploh še kdo normalno komunicirat?
Kdaj so Ukrajinci rekli, da je ukrajinski $500 dron boljši od ameriškega za $100k?
NAUČI SE BRAT IN RAZUMET, da boš lahko TEHTNO komuniciral na tem forumu.
pegasus ::
Poleg tega, je tema o "AIR DOMINANCE". S kakšnim dronom za $500 boš ti zganjal air dominance??!?!
Z enim težko, z milijonom pa trivialno. Ideja je, da imaš tak oblak dronov, da overloadajo vsak poskus protizračne obrambe.
Kot vidiš poročila iz fronte, se to sedaj redno dogaja: 100+ kosilnic in vmes nekaj tapravih raket, ki se časovno pokrijejo ravno na dobro branjenem območju v okolici tarče.
Edino kar mi tu ni jasno je, kako to da o tej strategiji beremo šele 3+ leta v konflikt in ne od prvega dne naprej.
Strel455 ::
Poleg tega, je tema o "AIR DOMINANCE". S kakšnim dronom za $500 boš ti zganjal air dominance??!?!
Z enim težko, z milijonom pa trivialno. Ideja je, da imaš tak oblak dronov, da overloadajo vsak poskus protizračne obrambe.
Kot vidiš poročila iz fronte, se to sedaj redno dogaja: 100+ kosilnic in vmes nekaj tapravih raket, ki se časovno pokrijejo ravno na dobro branjenem območju v okolici tarče.
Edino kar mi tu ni jasno je, kako to da o tej strategiji beremo šele 3+ leta v konflikt in ne od prvega dne naprej.
A dron za $500 bo letel stotine KM daleč in zganjal air dominance v tuji državi. Na katerih drogah ste tukaj vsi?
bm1973 ::
Saj teh 100+ kosilnic ima tudi gor 50 kg eksploziva...
In V3 teh kosilnic ima že reaktivni motor ter leti na 3000 metrih. Previsoko da klatiš z mitraljezi... Plus 90kg eksploziva.
Če tolčeš nasprotnika s poceni droni, ne rabiš air dominance...
To je pač strategija ZDA, ostali so prešaltali na precej cenejše drone, tudi piloti dronov so lahko večji kriplji kot pa piloti lovskih in ostalih vojaških letal...
In V3 teh kosilnic ima že reaktivni motor ter leti na 3000 metrih. Previsoko da klatiš z mitraljezi... Plus 90kg eksploziva.
A dron za $500 bo letel stotine KM daleč in zganjal air dominance v tuji državi. Na katerih drogah ste tukaj vsi?
Če tolčeš nasprotnika s poceni droni, ne rabiš air dominance...
To je pač strategija ZDA, ostali so prešaltali na precej cenejše drone, tudi piloti dronov so lahko večji kriplji kot pa piloti lovskih in ostalih vojaških letal...
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Ales78 ::
Jaz ti samo povem, kar so povedali Ukrajinci o ameriških dronih. Ne vem, zakaj si to tako k srcu jemlješ in se razburjaš.
A zna na tem forumu sploh še kdo normalno komunicirat?
Kdaj so Ukrajinci rekli, da je ukrajinski $500 dron boljši od ameriškega za $100k?
NAUČI SE BRAT IN RAZUMET, da boš lahko TEHTNO komuniciral na tem forumu.
Ja, meni se zdi zadeva popolnoma logična, na eni strani imaš ameriške korporacije, ki jim je samo do zaslužka od ameriške vojske in delajo kar se da poceni, prodajajo pa kar se da drago vojski, ki mora samo opravičiti naslednji budget pred kongresom.
Na drugi strani imaš Ukrajince, ki jim gre za glavo. Sam so odloči, kdo je bolj stimularan, da naredi dobrega drona.
In ne moje branje, ne moje razumevanje, ni noben izgovor za tvoje obnašanje.
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Strel455 ::
Ales78 ::
Če tolčeš nasprotnika s poceni droni, ne rabiš air dominance...
A na Američane boš pošiljal dan za dnem neke drone in Američani bodo tole samo gledali?
V naslednjem dnevu bodo vse ruske tovarne dronov zravnane z zemljo.
Zakaj bi pošiljal drone na američane. Smo miroljubni in ne napadamo nikogar.
Če govoriš pa o Rusih, tukaj že zdaj američani nimajo obrambe proti rusiji (pa po drugi strani rusi niso tako neumni, da bi začeli vojno z njimi, za brezveze), tako, da ne vem zakaj bi se matrali z droni.
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pegasus ::
Ales78 ::
A dron za $500 bo letel stotine KM daleč in zganjal air dominance v tuji državi. Na katerih drogah ste tukaj vsi?že skoraj 40 let na drogi, ki se ji reče modelarstvo. Če ne verjameš, poglej malo po YouTubu za npr. Ardupilot.
Tudi jaz sem bil modelar, nisem več, se bom pa vrnil v to, takoj, ko bom v penziji, preveč dela z ostalim.
In te drone vsi predstavljajo kot čudež, dejansko pa niso nič posebnega. Tehnologije so se dovolj izboljšale in optimizirale, da se da narediti, kar se včasih z motorčkom in "ricinusovim oljem" :D ni dalo, to je pa tudi vse.
In točno to počnejo Ukrajinci, po mojem celotna njihov razvoj dronov stoji na letalskih modelarjih.
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pegasus ::
Mene mika samo ciganit za servote in motorčke po sestreljenih dronih :-D Tak čist otroški užitek ...
Ales78 ::
Mene mika samo ciganit za servote in motorčke po sestreljenih dronih :-D Tak čist otroški užitek ...
Nedvomno bo po vojni zakladnica, ceprav vprasanje kako vodotesno so narejeni in ali ležijo na mini ;)
Imaš pa dejansko ljudi, ki so dovolj utrgani, da zbirajo odslužene napravice za enkratno vapanje in zbirajo njihove baterija, sem in tja pa najdejo še kakšen uporaben mikrokontroler ;) https://bogdanthegeek.github.io/blog/pr...
Bi pa verjetno precej pomagalo, če bi živel v Ukrajini. :)
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Strel455 ::
A dron za $500 bo letel stotine KM daleč in zganjal air dominance v tuji državi. Na katerih drogah ste tukaj vsi?že skoraj 40 let na drogi, ki se ji reče modelarstvo. Če ne verjameš, poglej malo po YouTubu za npr. Ardupilot.
Zopet čakam, da mi pokažeš dron za $500, ki bo letel 1000 KM daleč in tam zganjal air dominance.
ZDA razvijajo obrambo na večih nivojih, samo pozanimat se je treba
Če govoriš pa o Rusih, tukaj že zdaj američani nimajo obrambe proti rusiji (pa po drugi strani rusi niso tako neumni, da bi začeli vojno z njimi, za brezveze), tako, da ne vem zakaj bi se matrali z droni.
Zopet daješ neke trditve brez kakršnegakoli dokaza. Samo smetiš.
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Chalky ::
BREAKING: First F-47 6th Generation Fighter Now Being Built
The USAF hopes to see the F-47 take to the skies for the first time in 2028.
Boeing has started production of the first F-47 sixth-generation stealth fighter for the U.S. Air Force. The goal now is for that jet to make its first flight sometime in 2028.
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin provided a brief update on the F-47 during his keynote address at the Air & Space Forces Association's 2025 Air, Space, and Cyber Conference today, at which TWZ is in attendance. In March, President Donald Trump personally announced that Boeing had been selected as the winner of the competition for the crewed fighter component of the Air Force's broader Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) initiative. The NGAD effort also includes the development of new Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) drones, as well as advanced jet engines, weapons, electronic warfare suites, sensors, networking ecosystems, battle management capabilities, and more.
"After years of work, hundreds of test hours, 1,000s of man-years in the lab, the President announced the F-47," Allvin said. "It's the platform that, along with all of the rest of the [NGAD] systems, is going to ensure dominance into the future."
"We [have] got to go fast. I got to tell you, team, it's almost 2026. The team is committed to get the first one flying in 2028," he continued. "In the few short months since we made the announcement, they [Boeing] are already beginning to manufacture the first article. We're ready to go fast. We have to go fast."
The Air Force has only previously said that the F-47 was expected to make its maiden flight before the end of President Donald Trump's current term, which will conclude on January 20, 2029. Multiple secretive flying demonstrators helped pave the way for the F-47, as well.
Details about the F-47 program and design of the aircraft itself remain highly classified. At the time of writing, there continue to be only two official renderings of the jet, which Air Force officials have said do not necessarily fully reflect what the plane looks like in real life, for operational security purposes.
"Just love looking at this picture," Secretary of the Air Force Troy Meink had said during his own keynote at the conference today, which came just ahead of Allvin's speech, referring specifically to the F-47 rendering seen below. "I expect some of the Chinese Intel analysts are spending a lot of time looking at this picture. Good luck trying to dig something out of there. Pretty careful about that."
The F-47 is otherwise has long been expected to feature next-generation all-aspect 'broadband' low-observability (stealthiness), including a significantly reduced infrared signature. on top of a low radar cross-section. "Spectral warfare" and "spectral dominance" have been major focus areas for the entire NGAD initiative, as TWZ has previously detailed. Air Force officials have also talked generally about the fighters having next-generation capabilities that will leverage the rest of the NGAD ecosystem, including the ability to control future CCAs.
It's also worth noting that Boeing has also been in the running for the Navy's F/A-XX next-generation carrier-based fighter competition. A rendering that the company recently released of its F/A-XX proposal has unsurprising similarities to what has been shown to date of the F-47, as you can read more about here. The firm also previously made major investments to expand its operations in St. Louis, Missouri, to prepare for sixth-generation fighter production.
The Air Force has said it plans to acquire at least 185 F-47s, which would be in line with the original vision of the aircraft as a successor to the F-22 Raptor. However, questions have been raised about whether that figure might change going forward, and there has been talk about the potential for multiple versions to be built in incremental developmental cycles. The F-47's expected unit cost is also unclear, but past projections have put it in the realm of three times the average price of an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, or upwards of $300 million based on publicly available information.
https://www.twz.com/air/first-f-47-6th-...
The USAF hopes to see the F-47 take to the skies for the first time in 2028.
Boeing has started production of the first F-47 sixth-generation stealth fighter for the U.S. Air Force. The goal now is for that jet to make its first flight sometime in 2028.
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin provided a brief update on the F-47 during his keynote address at the Air & Space Forces Association's 2025 Air, Space, and Cyber Conference today, at which TWZ is in attendance. In March, President Donald Trump personally announced that Boeing had been selected as the winner of the competition for the crewed fighter component of the Air Force's broader Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) initiative. The NGAD effort also includes the development of new Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) drones, as well as advanced jet engines, weapons, electronic warfare suites, sensors, networking ecosystems, battle management capabilities, and more.
"After years of work, hundreds of test hours, 1,000s of man-years in the lab, the President announced the F-47," Allvin said. "It's the platform that, along with all of the rest of the [NGAD] systems, is going to ensure dominance into the future."
"We [have] got to go fast. I got to tell you, team, it's almost 2026. The team is committed to get the first one flying in 2028," he continued. "In the few short months since we made the announcement, they [Boeing] are already beginning to manufacture the first article. We're ready to go fast. We have to go fast."
The Air Force has only previously said that the F-47 was expected to make its maiden flight before the end of President Donald Trump's current term, which will conclude on January 20, 2029. Multiple secretive flying demonstrators helped pave the way for the F-47, as well.
Details about the F-47 program and design of the aircraft itself remain highly classified. At the time of writing, there continue to be only two official renderings of the jet, which Air Force officials have said do not necessarily fully reflect what the plane looks like in real life, for operational security purposes.
"Just love looking at this picture," Secretary of the Air Force Troy Meink had said during his own keynote at the conference today, which came just ahead of Allvin's speech, referring specifically to the F-47 rendering seen below. "I expect some of the Chinese Intel analysts are spending a lot of time looking at this picture. Good luck trying to dig something out of there. Pretty careful about that."
The F-47 is otherwise has long been expected to feature next-generation all-aspect 'broadband' low-observability (stealthiness), including a significantly reduced infrared signature. on top of a low radar cross-section. "Spectral warfare" and "spectral dominance" have been major focus areas for the entire NGAD initiative, as TWZ has previously detailed. Air Force officials have also talked generally about the fighters having next-generation capabilities that will leverage the rest of the NGAD ecosystem, including the ability to control future CCAs.
It's also worth noting that Boeing has also been in the running for the Navy's F/A-XX next-generation carrier-based fighter competition. A rendering that the company recently released of its F/A-XX proposal has unsurprising similarities to what has been shown to date of the F-47, as you can read more about here. The firm also previously made major investments to expand its operations in St. Louis, Missouri, to prepare for sixth-generation fighter production.
The Air Force has said it plans to acquire at least 185 F-47s, which would be in line with the original vision of the aircraft as a successor to the F-22 Raptor. However, questions have been raised about whether that figure might change going forward, and there has been talk about the potential for multiple versions to be built in incremental developmental cycles. The F-47's expected unit cost is also unclear, but past projections have put it in the realm of three times the average price of an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, or upwards of $300 million based on publicly available information.
https://www.twz.com/air/first-f-47-6th-...
fikus_ ::
Chalky, kaj pravis na to, da bo po sedanjih načrtih F35 šele leta 2031 nadgrajen na block4, ki se bo približal zahtevam izpred 30 let, še po 25+ letih Lockhead ni sposoben narediti letala, katerega je obljubil za zmago na razpisu?
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
. fikus_ ::
Chalky, kjer si z odgovorom?!
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/09/f-3...
Glede na ta link, da v 30-letih niso skup spacali letala, ki bi približno ustrezal zahtevam iz razpisa, tiste Chalky-jeve BEAKING NEWS so propagandno trobilo.
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/09/f-3...
Glede na ta link, da v 30-letih niso skup spacali letala, ki bi približno ustrezal zahtevam iz razpisa, tiste Chalky-jeve BEAKING NEWS so propagandno trobilo.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
Chalky, kjer si z odgovorom?!
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/09/f-3...
Glede na ta link, da v 30-letih niso skup spacali letala, ki bi približno ustrezal zahtevam iz razpisa, tiste Chalky-jeve BEAKING NEWS so propagandno trobilo.
Pri vseh top secret zadevah, ravni ti ves kaj izpolnjuje in kaj ne.
fikus_ ::
Zagovarjaš nekaj , kar še manj poznaš! Pač tako na pamet, ker so "naši".... tako da imaš močne argumente.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
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bm1973 ::
Tako kot SkunkWorks pri Lockheedu...
Od F-117 naprej niso naredili nič, kar bi se videlo in šlo v proizvodnjo. O.K. ziher so sodelovali pri F-22 in F-35, ampak to so že "stare gare".
Ziher nekaj delajo, ampak videti ni. Dvomim, da bi to skrili pred celo ZDA, kjer imaš cel kup folka, ki monitorira zračni prostor. Kljub ne vem kakim security ukrepov okoli Area 51, ali kje drugje. Saj je takih baz še nekaj...
Že 20 let se ven meče marketing material, ampak nič na tem...
Razvoj je pač počasen, birokracija USA ali US Navy pa obupna. Cel kup audit inženirjev, ki sproducirajo na tisoče strani papirjev NA DAN. Preberite si autobiografijo Ben Richa...
Sicer pa tudi, kaj novega pa vojska sploh rabi in upraviči?!?!?! Pobijanje je tako že naštudirano, da rabiš samo še ljudi, ki so primerno izurjeni...
Od F-117 naprej niso naredili nič, kar bi se videlo in šlo v proizvodnjo. O.K. ziher so sodelovali pri F-22 in F-35, ampak to so že "stare gare".
Ziher nekaj delajo, ampak videti ni. Dvomim, da bi to skrili pred celo ZDA, kjer imaš cel kup folka, ki monitorira zračni prostor. Kljub ne vem kakim security ukrepov okoli Area 51, ali kje drugje. Saj je takih baz še nekaj...
Že 20 let se ven meče marketing material, ampak nič na tem...
Razvoj je pač počasen, birokracija USA ali US Navy pa obupna. Cel kup audit inženirjev, ki sproducirajo na tisoče strani papirjev NA DAN. Preberite si autobiografijo Ben Richa...
Sicer pa tudi, kaj novega pa vojska sploh rabi in upraviči?!?!?! Pobijanje je tako že naštudirano, da rabiš samo še ljudi, ki so primerno izurjeni...
Chalky ::
Pentagon to select winner of the US Navy next generation stealth fighter this week
Exclusive: Pentagon's Hegseth okays US Navy next-generation fighter, sources say
WASHINGTON, Oct 7 (Reuters) - After months of delay, the Pentagon will select as soon as this week the defense company to design and build the Navy's next stealth fighter, a U.S. official and two people familiar with the decision said, it will be a multibillion-dollar effort for a jet seen as central to U.S. efforts to counter China.
Boeing Co (BA.N), opens new tab and Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N), opens new tab are competing to be chosen to produce the aircraft, dubbed the F/A-XX. The new carrier-based jet will replace the Navy's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fleet, which has been in service since the 1990s.
The decision to move ahead with a selection was made by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Friday, the U.S. official and one of the people said.
The U.S. Navy could announce winner of the competition to build its fighter as soon as this week, one of the people said. But last-minute snags have delayed progress on the Navy jet in the past and could do so again, sources said.
The Navy and the Pentagon did not respond to several requests for comment.
Holdups on F/A-XX highlight broader questions about the future of naval aviation and the role of aircraft carriers in confronting China. Delaying the program or starving it of funds could leave the Navy without a modern fighter capable of operating from carriers in the 2030s and beyond, potentially undermining the fleet's ability to project power.
The F/A-XX is expected to feature advanced stealth capabilities, improved range and endurance, and the ability to integrate with both uncrewed combat aircraft and the Navy's carrier-based air defense systems.
A funding dispute in the spring and summer between the Pentagon and Congress delayed the program's advancement.
The Pentagon sought $74 million for the jet to keep it on "minimal development funding." Some Pentagon officials had sought to delay the program by up to three years, citing concerns about engineering and supply chain capacity, Reuters reported in May.
Congress and the Navy had wished to move forward with awarding a contract. Congress put $750 billion to speed the F/A-XX jet into the massive tax-cut and spending bill which was signed into law this summer. Additionally, Congress earmarked an additional $1.4 billion for F/A-XX in fiscal 2026.
(Sugg - Beyond)to the funding dispute, there was also debate during the months-long delay about whether defense contractors Northrop and Boeing would struggle to make the jet on schedule.
Defense officials debated whether Boeing could employ enough engineers for the project after it was awarded a contract to build the U.S. Air Force's F-47 jet in March, sources said. They also debated whether Northrop would strain under the ballooning costs of the Sentinel intercontinental ballistic missile program, aimed at replacing the aging Minuteman III missiles, the sources said.
The quantity of F/A-XX jets, the value and exact timelines of the program remain classified, but previous such contracts - such as that for the F-35 - have been worth tens of billions of dollars over their lifetime.
The U.S. Navy still plans to buy more than 270 Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N), opens new tab F-35C jets for its carrier fleet. Earlier this year, Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), opens new tab was ejected from the F/A-XX competition.
The first production jets are expected to enter service in the 2030s, while F/A-18s are expected to remain in service into the 2040s.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp...
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/10/nav...
Exclusive: Pentagon's Hegseth okays US Navy next-generation fighter, sources say
WASHINGTON, Oct 7 (Reuters) - After months of delay, the Pentagon will select as soon as this week the defense company to design and build the Navy's next stealth fighter, a U.S. official and two people familiar with the decision said, it will be a multibillion-dollar effort for a jet seen as central to U.S. efforts to counter China.
Boeing Co (BA.N), opens new tab and Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N), opens new tab are competing to be chosen to produce the aircraft, dubbed the F/A-XX. The new carrier-based jet will replace the Navy's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fleet, which has been in service since the 1990s.
The decision to move ahead with a selection was made by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Friday, the U.S. official and one of the people said.
The U.S. Navy could announce winner of the competition to build its fighter as soon as this week, one of the people said. But last-minute snags have delayed progress on the Navy jet in the past and could do so again, sources said.
The Navy and the Pentagon did not respond to several requests for comment.
Holdups on F/A-XX highlight broader questions about the future of naval aviation and the role of aircraft carriers in confronting China. Delaying the program or starving it of funds could leave the Navy without a modern fighter capable of operating from carriers in the 2030s and beyond, potentially undermining the fleet's ability to project power.
The F/A-XX is expected to feature advanced stealth capabilities, improved range and endurance, and the ability to integrate with both uncrewed combat aircraft and the Navy's carrier-based air defense systems.
A funding dispute in the spring and summer between the Pentagon and Congress delayed the program's advancement.
The Pentagon sought $74 million for the jet to keep it on "minimal development funding." Some Pentagon officials had sought to delay the program by up to three years, citing concerns about engineering and supply chain capacity, Reuters reported in May.
Congress and the Navy had wished to move forward with awarding a contract. Congress put $750 billion to speed the F/A-XX jet into the massive tax-cut and spending bill which was signed into law this summer. Additionally, Congress earmarked an additional $1.4 billion for F/A-XX in fiscal 2026.
(Sugg - Beyond)to the funding dispute, there was also debate during the months-long delay about whether defense contractors Northrop and Boeing would struggle to make the jet on schedule.
Defense officials debated whether Boeing could employ enough engineers for the project after it was awarded a contract to build the U.S. Air Force's F-47 jet in March, sources said. They also debated whether Northrop would strain under the ballooning costs of the Sentinel intercontinental ballistic missile program, aimed at replacing the aging Minuteman III missiles, the sources said.
The quantity of F/A-XX jets, the value and exact timelines of the program remain classified, but previous such contracts - such as that for the F-35 - have been worth tens of billions of dollars over their lifetime.
The U.S. Navy still plans to buy more than 270 Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N), opens new tab F-35C jets for its carrier fleet. Earlier this year, Lockheed Martin (LMT.N), opens new tab was ejected from the F/A-XX competition.
The first production jets are expected to enter service in the 2030s, while F/A-18s are expected to remain in service into the 2040s.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp...
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/10/nav...
fikus_ ::
Ce se f35 ne znajo narediti, nadgradnjo na block 4 pa prestavili na 2035, kako bodo nar3cili novo letalo. 
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
fikus_ ::
Zagovaerjaš nekaj, kar sploh ne poznaš.
Leti tudi list, ki odpade od drevesa, ko je opravil svojo nalogo, F35 tudi leti, ampak še vedno polizdelek, ki naj bi postal izdelek po specifikacijah pred razvojem po nadgradnji na Blok 4, kar naj bi se zgodilo 2030.
Leti tudi list, ki odpade od drevesa, ko je opravil svojo nalogo, F35 tudi leti, ampak še vedno polizdelek, ki naj bi postal izdelek po specifikacijah pred razvojem po nadgradnji na Blok 4, kar naj bi se zgodilo 2030.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
Zagovaerjaš nekaj, kar sploh ne poznaš.
Leti tudi list, ki odpade od drevesa, ko je opravil svojo nalogo, F35 tudi leti, ampak še vedno polizdelek, ki naj bi postal izdelek po specifikacijah pred razvojem po nadgradnji na Blok 4, kar naj bi se zgodilo 2030.
Vseznalec ruske propagande. Pojma nimas kaj letalnik zmore pa nakladas budalascine.
fikus_ ::
Ko nimaš odgovora pa žaljenje, tipično!
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
fikus_ ::
V glavnem, ne zmoreš sprejeti stvari, za katere je bilo danih že nekaj virov, ker nimaš kontra vira, pa označevanje in žaljenje.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
Letalnik opravlja svoj namen, dokazan, bojno preizkušen, nima konkurence. Ti se pa tolaži s kitajskimi, turskimi in ostalimi kopijami, linki, s cimerkoli. Tvoji ruzzkoti pa kaj takega v tem stoletju se ne bodo spacali skupaj.
bm1973 ::
Kak namen?
Saj ga niso nikjer uporabili zaenkrat????
Razen Izraelcev, ki imajo pa svojo verzijo, z lastnim softwarom, ki najbrž celo deluje.
Saj ga niso nikjer uporabili zaenkrat????
Razen Izraelcev, ki imajo pa svojo verzijo, z lastnim softwarom, ki najbrž celo deluje.
fikus_ ::
mika spet neko podtikanje in razmišljanje namesto drugih.
Praktično uporabo se gredo v IL, Usa samo trenirajo, kolikor jim omogoča stanje.
IL je kot kaže dobil dostop v drobovje in delajo na tem, prilagajajo,.... še vedno pa nimajo Block 4 nadgradnje, katera bi naj dala rezultate, ki so bili zahtevani na razpisu. In ta Block 4 ni samo SW, je tudi menjava HW.
Mornariška F35 varianta pa kot kaže je precej zgrešena, nima zahtevanih lastnosti, tako da so naročili nadgradnjo F18. Tudi za to je bil že podan vir info.
Ta tema ni o kitajskih, turških, ... letalih.
Praktično uporabo se gredo v IL, Usa samo trenirajo, kolikor jim omogoča stanje.
IL je kot kaže dobil dostop v drobovje in delajo na tem, prilagajajo,.... še vedno pa nimajo Block 4 nadgradnje, katera bi naj dala rezultate, ki so bili zahtevani na razpisu. In ta Block 4 ni samo SW, je tudi menjava HW.
Mornariška F35 varianta pa kot kaže je precej zgrešena, nima zahtevanih lastnosti, tako da so naročili nadgradnjo F18. Tudi za to je bil že podan vir info.
Ta tema ni o kitajskih, turških, ... letalih.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
mika spet neko podtikanje in razmišljanje namesto drugih.
Praktično uporabo se gredo v IL, Usa samo trenirajo, kolikor jim omogoča stanje.
IL je kot kaže dobil dostop v drobovje in delajo na tem, prilagajajo,.... še vedno pa nimajo Block 4 nadgradnje, katera bi naj dala rezultate, ki so bili zahtevani na razpisu. In ta Block 4 ni samo SW, je tudi menjava HW.
Mornariška F35 varianta pa kot kaže je precej zgrešena, nima zahtevanih lastnosti, tako da so naročili nadgradnjo F18. Tudi za to je bil že podan vir info.
Ta tema ni o kitajskih, turških, ... letalih.
Jaz podtikam, ti pa veš vse o tem.
Stavki se pa začnejo z kot kaže, naj bi, ...
Pa istocasno se poflikata oba ruzzi propagandista na vsak odgovor. :)
fikus_ ::
Ko je tvoj odgovor etiketiranje...
Smo ti dali linke, npr. nadgradnja na Block 4 leta 2030, da mornarica namesto F35 raje uporablja F18 in je naročila nadgradnjo le teh,...
Kar pa ti zmoreš, sem pa napisal.
Smo ti dali linke, npr. nadgradnja na Block 4 leta 2030, da mornarica namesto F35 raje uporablja F18 in je naročila nadgradnjo le teh,...
Kar pa ti zmoreš, sem pa napisal.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
Ko je tvoj odgovor etiketiranje...
Smo ti dali linke, npr. nadgradnja na Block 4 leta 2030, da mornarica namesto F35 raje uporablja F18 in je naročila nadgradnjo le teh,...
Kar pa ti zmoreš, sem pa napisal.
Blah, blah, nabijas svojo propagando.
Pojma nimas in vlečeš niti na svojo propagando s tistim kar ti paše.
fikus_ ::
Torej so linki do novice propaganda, tvoje pisanje pa čista resnica?!
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
fikus_ ::
Spet kar neko pisanje, ker te je propaganda prepričala v nekaj, linki ne štejejo, verjetno jih niti ne prebereš več kot naslova, če ti ne ustreza.
In neko tvoje projiciranje tvojih mišljenj na druge, da se drugi tudi (morajo) tako obnašati, se oglašaš v stilu "jaz to, jaz ono,... ".
Zgoraj sem te nekaj vprašal in se še toloko ne potrudiš, da bi odgovoril, ampak skoz trobiš v isti rog.
In neko tvoje projiciranje tvojih mišljenj na druge, da se drugi tudi (morajo) tako obnašati, se oglašaš v stilu "jaz to, jaz ono,... ".
Zgoraj sem te nekaj vprašal in se še toloko ne potrudiš, da bi odgovoril, ampak skoz trobiš v isti rog.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
mikhaair ::
Dej ne blodi. F35 je v operativni rabi v stevilnih drzavah. Ce so tezave jih bodo odpravili. Ti se pa le naslajaj. Samo ti vidis med podaljsevanjem zivljeneja f18 in f35 korelacijo npr. In pametujes. Ma klinc, kaj se clovek sploh ukvarja s takimi prozorneži.
fikus_ ::
Kaže, da ti ne da miru, ker pisanje ni po tvojo narativi. Saj so v uporabi, verjetno celo imajo lastnosti, ki so jih prodali drugim državam, nima pa še lastnosti, ki so jih pričakovali/dali v razpis pred naročilom, to bo z Block 4 nadgradnjo (SW+HW).
Polno verzijo bodo verjetno imele samo Usa, mogoče IL.
Polno verzijo bodo verjetno imele samo Usa, mogoče IL.
Učite se iz preteklosti, živite v sedanjosti in razmišljajte o prihodnosti.
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
PS Ne odgovarjam trolom in provokatorjem!
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